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2013-11-22 07:42:09 AM  
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2013-11-22 07:45:53 AM  
Soooooo.... since my pants have pockets and I COULD carry drugs in them if I wanted to, I'm screwed ;)
 
2013-11-22 07:46:12 AM  
The rule makes it unlawful to create a compartment with the intent to conceal narcotics or guns.

Cool. So just prove the compartment was installed with the intent to conceal guns or drugs and you'll have your conviction.  No clue how they're going to prove that, though.

Also:

When Norman Gurley was pulled over for speeding on Tuesday, Ohio state troopers did not find any drugs in his car.

Why were they searching his car for anything when he was pulled over for speeding?
 
2013-11-22 07:48:28 AM  
FTFA:
Combs also said, "Without the hidden compartment law, we would not have had any charges on the suspect ... We apparently caught them between runs, so to speak, so this takes away one tool they have in their illegal trade. The law does help us and is on our side."

Or maybe he has a hidden compartment there because he farking felt like it. Free country and all. The law says it is illegal to have these with the intent to use them for drugs trade. So good luck proving his intent without finding an email (or similar) where he basically admits it.

/police state
 
2013-11-22 07:50:09 AM  
I was going to get a picture of the Star Wars crew popping out of the floor of the Millenium Falcon, but I found this instead.  I no longer care about hidden compartments.

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/hot
 
2013-11-22 07:51:30 AM  

Honest Bender: The rule makes it unlawful to create a compartment with the intent to conceal narcotics or guns.

Cool. So just prove the compartment was installed with the intent to conceal guns or drugs and you'll have your conviction.  No clue how they're going to prove that, though.

Also:

When Norman Gurley was pulled over for speeding on Tuesday, Ohio state troopers did not find any drugs in his car.

Why were they searching his car for anything when he was pulled over for speeding?


This. They even said he showed no signs of suspicious behavior. It must have went "Mind if we search your vehicle, because potato" and he said "yep"
 
2013-11-22 07:52:31 AM  
But anyone showing the slightest bit of resistance against the expansion of government is a slobbering teabagger who hates minorities, amirite?
 
2013-11-22 07:54:37 AM  
FTFA  The rule makes it unlawful to create a compartment with the intent to conceal narcotics or guns.

Well it's a good thing the cops have those mind reading machines so they know what your intent was when you, or the previous owner, installed that compartment.  And if I own a legal gun and have a hidden compartment in my car for securing it why should that be illegal?  It would seem to me that if you are going to lock your gun in your car a hidden, locking compartment is the ideal place to do that.
 
2013-11-22 07:55:33 AM  
So, America... How's all that 'Freedom' workin out for ya, huh?
 
2013-11-22 07:58:33 AM  
uttertosh: So, America... How's all that 'Freedom' workin out for ya, huh?

It's slowly working it's way out of the system.
 
2013-11-22 08:01:19 AM  
Why stop there, lets make anything with the potential of carrying drugs illegal, this should be fun.
 
2013-11-22 08:01:37 AM  
 
2013-11-22 08:01:52 AM  

FLMountainMan: But anyone showing the slightest bit of resistance against the expansion of government is a slobbering teabagger who hates minorities, amirite?


Talk to a conservative about deregulating (read legalizing) drugs, and keeping the government out of the abortion issue, and all of the sudden they become stark raving "big guvment libruls".

Anyway, this law is stupid, but no more stupid than the fact that a dog can show up at your car, wag his tail and give the police probable cause to break your fourth amendment rights. Again though, this is aok with the right, because hippies.
 
2013-11-22 08:02:21 AM  
Er, if it's an illegal compartment he pays the "having an illegal compartment" and moves on, no?

How is it different than having a banned police radar detector? Don't drug dealers like having radar detectors too?

I don't get it. Maybe a bigger charge to scare him into pleading on a lesser one?
 
2013-11-22 08:02:34 AM  

Callous: uttertosh: So, America... How's all that 'Freedom' workin out for ya, huh?

It's slowly working it's way out of the system.


Passing like a kidney stone.
 
2013-11-22 08:03:14 AM  
This is a stupid law, and will be overturned.
 
2013-11-22 08:03:41 AM  
Pays the "having an illegal compartment" FINE or PENALTY. Sorry.
 
2013-11-22 08:04:15 AM  

Callous: uttertosh: So, America... How's all that 'Freedom' workin out for ya, huh?

It's slowly working it's way out of the system.


Sorta like little runny popcorn farts.  And just as comfortable ;)
 
2013-11-22 08:06:23 AM  

FLMountainMan: But anyone showing the slightest bit of resistance against the expansion of government is a slobbering teabagger who hates minorities, amirite?


And a racist.  Don't forget racist.
 
2013-11-22 08:07:09 AM  
I know so many people who install their own DIY car PCs. In most cases, in order to keep it out of the way or make it look like part of the car, hidden compartments are build into the consoles for their different hardware components. So, are they good to go if they can show it was created for their car PC? It doesn't appear that the law makes those types of exceptions.
 
2013-11-22 08:08:16 AM  
The law does help us and is on our side.

Those are frighting words coming from law enforcement.
 
2013-11-22 08:08:33 AM  
"During the search, they noticed some components inside the vehicle that did not appear to be factory," says Lt. Michael Combs.

If the just happened to notice it then it wasn't a hidden compartment.
 
2013-11-22 08:10:11 AM  
Is it a police state yet?
 
2013-11-22 08:11:38 AM  

Honest Bender: The rule makes it unlawful to create a compartment with the intent to conceal narcotics or guns.

Cool. So just prove the compartment was installed with the intent to conceal guns or drugs and you'll have your conviction.  No clue how they're going to prove that, though.

Also:

When Norman Gurley was pulled over for speeding on Tuesday, Ohio state troopers did not find any drugs in his car.

Why were they searching his car for anything when he was pulled over for speeding?


It's easy.  The cops ask for permission and if denied they will arrest you for speeding.  Then they can search your car because an arrest was made.
 
2013-11-22 08:12:00 AM  
Soooo what's to stop the cops from tearing off any random side panel and saying "Look, a hidden compartment!"?

/There aren't any gloves in the glove box, it must be for drugs and guns
 
2013-11-22 08:12:20 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The law does help us and is on our side.

Those are frighting words coming from law enforcement.


That's how they set it up. You don't have rights. You have privileges which disappear at their whim.
 
2013-11-22 08:12:34 AM  
Good ole Opposing Views, a website that is as bereft of details as any there is.

I refuse to get my dander up until more information comes out.
 
2013-11-22 08:13:09 AM  
so what if i buy a used car on craigslist and one of the previous owners installed a compartment i am not even aware of?
 
2013-11-22 08:13:29 AM  

ltdanman44: Honest Bender: The rule makes it unlawful to create a compartment with the intent to conceal narcotics or guns.

Cool. So just prove the compartment was installed with the intent to conceal guns or drugs and you'll have your conviction.  No clue how they're going to prove that, though.

Also:

When Norman Gurley was pulled over for speeding on Tuesday, Ohio state troopers did not find any drugs in his car.

Why were they searching his car for anything when he was pulled over for speeding?

It's easy.  The cops ask for permission and if denied they will arrest you for speeding.  Then they can search your car because an arrest was made.


Unless it is an admin search, you cannot do that in a search incident to arrest for speeding.
 
2013-11-22 08:13:44 AM  

Honest Bender: Why were they searching his car for anything when he was pulled over for speeding?


Because they are fascists.

They have no regard for the bill of rights.

they need to be executed as terrorists.
 
2013-11-22 08:14:05 AM  

enderthexenocide: so what if i buy a used car on craigslist and one of the previous owners installed a compartment i am not even aware of?


then you lack the intent element.
 
2013-11-22 08:16:12 AM  

heili skrimsli: That's how they set it up. You don't have rights. You have privileges which disappear at their whim.


You've just learned the secret of the universe.  And it's not a setup - it's natural law.
 
2013-11-22 08:22:14 AM  
If you have secret compartments, and you're not trafficking drugs, make sure you fill them up with jelly beans or something.
 
2013-11-22 08:24:24 AM  

H31N0US: FLMountainMan: But anyone showing the slightest bit of resistance against the expansion of government is a slobbering teabagger who hates minorities, amirite?

Talk to a conservative about deregulating (read legalizing) drugs, and keeping the government out of the abortion issue, and all of the sudden they become stark raving "big guvment libruls".

Anyway, this law is stupid, but no more stupid than the fact that a dog can show up at your car, wag his tail and give the police probable cause to break your fourth amendment rights. Again though, this is aok with the right, because hippies.


I think you meant "republican", not "conservative".

The OT's were and still are largely libertarian in their ideals and value personal freedom and 4A rights quite highly.

Its just too bad the movement was infiltrated and overrun by the very people they'd tried to split away from in the first place. Well, the media sure did their part associating the name with the crazies so same difference I guess.

And now that you mention it, I *have* been wondering if there's been any followup to police hospital buttrape guy and the cops who went outside their warranted area, or the doctors facing losing their license to practice, or the hospital who sent the guy a freaking BILL, or the judge who signed the warrant in the first place..
 
2013-11-22 08:26:32 AM  

Callous: Well it's a good thing the cops have those mind reading machines so they know what your intent was when you, or the previous owner, installed that compartment.


This is just a further extension of "possession with intent to distribute". It was difficult for cops to actually catch drug dealers in the act, so they decided to just change the law so that they could infer intent without any real evidence.
 
2013-11-22 08:26:42 AM  

enderthexenocide: so what if i buy a used car on craigslist and one of the previous owners installed a compartment i am not even aware of?


Falls into the same response category as "I didn't know there were drugs in the pocket. These are my cousins pants."

/actual response from more than one perp.
 
2013-11-22 08:26:44 AM  

sprgrss: Good ole Opposing Views, a website that is as bereft of details as any there is.

I refuse to get my dander up until more information comes out.


sprgrss: Unless it is an admin search, you cannot do that in a search incident to arrest for speeding.


sprgrss: then you lack the intent element.


Your logic has no place in the midst of a bunch of pants-sh*tting, terrified ITGs.
 
2013-11-22 08:27:14 AM  

sprgrss: Good ole Opposing Views, a website that is as bereft of details as any there is.

I refuse to get my dander up until more information comes out.


Ohio has a law against hidden compartments, and they enforce it.  What more do you need to know?
 
2013-11-22 08:27:41 AM  
Sort of like wandering around with a large sum of cash.  No reason for that but drugs apparently.
 
2013-11-22 08:28:16 AM  
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"...and you can put your WEED in it."
 
2013-11-22 08:29:27 AM  

GORDON: FLMountainMan: But anyone showing the slightest bit of resistance against the expansion of government is a slobbering teabagger who hates minorities, amirite?

And a racist.  Don't forget racist.


He had that covered.
 
2013-11-22 08:31:35 AM  
Get a grip Ohio, TX has been prosecuting people and seizing their vehicles for having "secret compartments" since the 90's.
 
2013-11-22 08:32:22 AM  

sprgrss: Good ole Opposing Views, a website that is as bereft of details as any there is.

I refuse to get my dander up until more information comes out.


Easy way to dismiss info.  Here, try these:

Reason
Local NBC affiliate (warning, auto-start video)
AOL

Gotta love the fawning over LE in the local newscast.  Ugh.
 
2013-11-22 08:39:30 AM  

alexjoss: Get a grip Ohio, TX has been prosecuting people and seizing their vehicles for having "secret compartments" since the 90's.


You hear that, Ohio?  YOU'RE TURNING INTO TEXAS.
 
2013-11-22 08:44:15 AM  
So, four-wheeled thoughtcrime?

Land of the free, my left one.
 
2013-11-22 08:44:20 AM  
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2013-11-22 08:44:27 AM  

itsaidwhat: enderthexenocide: so what if i buy a used car on craigslist and one of the previous owners installed a compartment i am not even aware of?

Falls into the same response category as "I didn't know there were drugs in the pocket. These are my cousins pants."

/actual response from more than one perp.


CSB: I worked with someone on a military base who bought a used car the night before from a friend. Coming onto base, they were doing the random car check with the dogs. The dog alerted on his car and he was asked to pull over for inspection. Immediately, he began getting anxious, but he would lose his job on base if he refused. He had looked over the car the night before, but it was a casual friend and he now was not entirely certain what he might have been hidden in it. When the dog started getting very interested in the back seat, the MP asked if they could pull the seat apart to investigate. He gave consent, but he wondered if his friend might have left a joint or something between the cushions and he really started to mentally freak out. Suddenly, the MP called out, "Found it." Images of handcuffs and military prison floated through my friends mind. Pulling something out of the car, the MP asked, "Sir, we've been on patrol for a while and the dog is hungry and would like this old Twinkie he found between the backseat cushion. Do you mind if he eats it?" Completely relieved, my friend suddenly wanted to hug the dog, "No, no, whatever he wants." Every time he told that story at the office, it always made me laugh.
 
2013-11-22 08:46:16 AM  
as a woman, I have a built in secret compartment. not planning on visiting the US any time soon
 
2013-11-22 08:48:41 AM  
It's so funny how Americans boast endlessly about their constitution when shiat like this is reported on a daily basis. You know this doesn't happen anywhere else in the developed world?

Why not take a trip to New Mexico to be anally violated by the cops with no charges? Then get biilled $6000 for hat?
 
2013-11-22 08:49:08 AM  

OnlyM3: Is it a police state yet?


I don't think they are just going to come out and announce it.
 
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