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2013-11-22 09:08:10 AM

Pep Streebeck: Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?

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An actor and Governor from California.  Give me a break.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:20 AM
It's not going to be center-right Clinton or extreme-right Christie. The pendulum has swung and people are tired of only having a choice between cutting a little or cutting a lot, making things a little worse or a lot worse. People are ready for increased healthcare, increased wages, increased voting rights, increased consumer protections, increased investments in infrastructure, increased access to college, increased social services, etc. Americans want a system that works for an increased number of people, not just the select few or the wealthy. Clinton knows this, which is why she promotes progressiveness in her speeches now. She might make the cut for VP, but my money is on Sherrod Brown from Ohio. Bully teabagger Christie is on the wrong side of the argument. It's going to be liberal-populist Warren. Warren / Brown 2016.
 
2013-11-22 09:12:25 AM

hubiestubert: In all honesty, I don't think that Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, nor even run.


I agree with this.

Hillary is a born politician. Despite not coming from a dynasty, it's pretty much in her blood, and nothing short of death is ever going to get her out of politics. But I think that this is exactly what happened: she had her fall, the docs looked her over, and one of them sat her down and said bluntly "Madam Secretary, if you continue your political career, you will die." I see no other scenario in which she would ever have resigned as Secretary of State.

Even without office, though, there's no way she would get out of politics completely. I fully expect her to be the Democrats' kingmaker (my personal guess is that she will endorse, and work very closely with, Elizabeth Warren). I just don't think she'll run herself.
 
2013-11-22 09:12:47 AM
We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.
 
2013-11-22 09:13:55 AM

mrshowrules: Pep Streebeck: Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?

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An actor and Governor from California.  Give me a break.


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2013-11-22 09:14:21 AM
This is the guy who couldn't even pass muster to be number two to the binders full of women guy. I don't Hillary is too worried.
 
2013-11-22 09:15:16 AM

hubiestubert: They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her.


I heard the same thing about Obama at the time.  Conservatives being relieved that they were up against Obama instead of Hillary.
 
2013-11-22 09:16:06 AM

Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.


Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?
 
2013-11-22 09:16:12 AM
The former lobbyist who worked under Bernie Madoff? The US attorney with the most questionable expenditures of government money? That guy is gonna get nominated by a bunch of libs?

Well, he sure as hell won't get the GOP nom...
 
2013-11-22 09:17:46 AM

Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.


From your prof:

I'm an outspoken independent embarrassed but chronically butthurt republican.
 
2013-11-22 09:18:57 AM

quatchi: Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*


Why is everyone acting like this about Jeb? All he has to do is not say anything galatically stupid, talk a lot about how he wants to get back to the glory days of '04, roll pops and bro out there on stage, and the delegates will be sucking each others cocks on the convention floor while they nominate him. You know it's true: The GOP will go running back to the Bush's if given the chance, especially if they get destroyed in '14 again.

And really, what other choice to they have? Are we really supposed to believe that Rand Paul or Ted Cruz are going to  hold it together enough over the next 3 years to be a candidate with a snowballs chance in an election?
 
2013-11-22 09:21:04 AM
Just show a montage of Christie screaming and shouting at women (because he seems to like to do that a lot) and call him a mysogynist. He loses a huge block of voters right there. The  guy can be a real dick. There is  no way this guy wins nationally.

Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.
 
2013-11-22 09:24:02 AM
In 2007 I said Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, and Obama will. And they all called me crazy.

Once again, Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, but that has nothing to do with Christie. Warren is the next President.
 
2013-11-22 09:26:06 AM

jayhawk88: You know it's true: The GOP will go running back to the Bush's if given the chance, especially if they get destroyed in '14 again.


QFT. Democrats underestimate Jeb Bush at their peril.
 
2013-11-22 09:27:51 AM

mrshowrules: hubiestubert: They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her.

I heard the same thing about Obama at the time.  Conservatives being relieved that they were up against Obama instead of Hillary.


That's because they were overconfident that they could beat a relative new comer to national politics. And more importantly, trying to get even footing since the reams of material that they had ready to hurl at Hillary in the general election would wait yet another year, unexpended...
 
2013-11-22 09:29:26 AM
It'd be fun to see Michelle Obama run. At least in the Primaries. As a Republican.

Just for the head-splodey goodness.
 
2013-11-22 09:30:07 AM

ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.


We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.
 
2013-11-22 09:30:55 AM

BMFPitt: In 2007 I said Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, and Obama will. And they all called me crazy.

Once again, Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, but that has nothing to do with Christie. Warren is the next President.


Well why didn't you just say so? Hey everyone good news it looks like we don't need to hold an election after all, this guy knows who is going to be the next president. He guessed Obama would win and everything!
 
2013-11-22 09:32:07 AM
I don't want Hillary to run, but she'd be doing the nation a service by doing everything she can to APPEAR to be running until not filing her papers at the deadline.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:54 AM

INeedAName: ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.

We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.


Opinions and reasons are different things.
 
2013-11-22 09:37:29 AM

SuburbanCowboy: Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.


The funny part about his hurricane response was all he did was make nice with Obama to get federal money and make a lot of personal appearances (to wipe away the memory of him going on vacation during the last natural emergency in the state) the Tea-Party (Rand Paul et al.) despise him for taking federal funds so I really don't see him getting very far in a national election running on the Hurricane platform.
 
2013-11-22 09:44:33 AM

mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?


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2013-11-22 09:45:14 AM

monoski: SuburbanCowboy: Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.

The funny part about his hurricane response was all he did was make nice with Obama to get federal money and make a lot of personal appearances (to wipe away the memory of him going on vacation during the last natural emergency in the state)


Which still did more for bipartisan cooperation than anyone else except Obama has done since the turn of the century, and more than even Obama has done in the last 3-4 years.

the Tea-Party (Rand Paul et al.) despise him for taking federal funds so I really don't see him getting very far in a national election running on the Hurricane platform.

I don't know about that. The Republican establishment is about as fed up with the Tea Party as anyone else, and he's their most likely shot for trying to ram through. Once he's in, what will the Tea Partiers do, vote for Warren?
 
2013-11-22 09:45:16 AM

ScaryBottles: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

From your prof:

I'm an outspoken independentembarrassed but chronically butthurt republican.


I'm interested to see your thesis on how I'm anything like a Republican. I discussed this with Captain Dan last weekend, where he also feels like an independent but leans Republican so he's okay being a Republican. By that logic, I lean Democratic so I guess you could call me a Democrat.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:41 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.
 
2013-11-22 09:53:10 AM

jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.


THE?  There's only one?
 
2013-11-22 09:55:46 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.

THE?  There's only one?


Well, I didn't say that.
 
2013-11-22 10:01:36 AM

jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

[discourseincsharpminor.files.wordpress.com image 600x750]

The war criminal.

THE?  There's only one?

Well, I didn't say that.


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2013-11-22 10:03:18 AM
I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.
 
2013-11-22 10:07:45 AM

Wendy's Chili: I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.


I think he's the only guy who will make it through the primaries. Christie seems to enjoy being an aggressive asshole, and Republicans respect the hell out of assholes.
 
2013-11-22 10:12:03 AM

SuburbanCowboy: Just show a montage of Christie screaming and shouting at women (because he seems to like to do that a lot) and call him a mysogynist. He loses a huge block of voters right there. The  guy can be a real dick. There is  no way this guy wins nationally.

Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.


He actually did assist in pulling two children from a collapsed home in Point Pleasant.

But then he ate them.
 
2013-11-22 10:15:05 AM

verbaltoxin: Wendy's Chili: I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.

I think he's the only guy who will make it through the primaries. Christie seems to enjoy being an aggressive asshole, and Republicans respect the hell out of assholes.


That's an understatement.

"It takes balls to execute an innocent man"
 
2013-11-22 10:18:30 AM

ScaryBottles: INeedAName: ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.

We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.

Opinions and reasons are different things.


Actually opinions can be reasons. But since you're just arguing to argue, I'll be done with you now. Thanks.
 
2013-11-22 10:23:25 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


So Christie will have the same problem Rmoney had during the primaries.  He'll either have to go so far right to win the primary that he'll never be able to tack back to the center or he'll have to stay in the center and lose the primay.  Good luck.
 
2013-11-22 10:26:58 AM
Obama must feel like Mack Brown does every time some Texan mentions hiring Nick Saban to take over.
 
2013-11-22 10:34:41 AM
Christie would do well... if he was a Dem.
He either has to turn the derp up to 11 to get past GOP primaries (This is how it went for McCain and Romney - both also considered popular moderates) and then he'll share the same fate as McCain and Romney. Or he tries to stay sane and he'll lose the primaries. I'm interested in how it'll go. The GOP's screwed it up twice in a row now, I wonder if they'll go for three.
 
2013-11-22 10:37:26 AM

INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.


"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."
 
2013-11-22 10:47:06 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


You mean the same Republican primary voters that voted for the most moderate candidate in both 2008 and 2012? There are millions of Republican voters that live in the West and North. It's the derpy ones that are loudest. This thing is really Christie's to lose.
 
2013-11-22 10:51:14 AM

Diogenes: I'm going with "superior gravitational pull."


They can call his cabinet "the presidential satellites."
 
2013-11-22 11:25:29 AM

Muta: Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.


my bet is a sub-half-ass run like she did in 2011, Just enough to get the rubes to start writing checks, but not enough to be an actual contender that may result in actual campaigning.
 
2013-11-22 11:45:35 AM

BMFPitt: Warren is the next President


If the Republicans started screaming "ZOMG! LIBBIEST LIB EVAR!11!" about Obama, I can only imagine that their heads would asplode if we elected a genuine liberal.
 
2013-11-22 12:20:03 PM

INeedAName: timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.

Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.


That's going to have to be one hell of cross.
 
2013-11-22 12:31:18 PM

thamike: INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.

"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."


Well then we all should thoroughly thank you for bringing such intelligence to this conversation. Seriously. In the future just don't bother posting. You added absolutely nothing but wasted data to this thread.
 
2013-11-22 04:01:12 PM

INeedAName: thamike: INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.

"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."

Well then we all should thoroughly thank you for bringing such intelligence to this conversation. Seriously. In the future just don't bother posting. You added absolutely nothing but wasted data to this thread.


Yikes.  You have your Perspective-o-matic set to Shriek.
 
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