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2013-11-22 07:15:45 AM
She'd be totes jelly if the election were tomorrow. Unfortunately it's 3 years away
 
2013-11-22 07:24:45 AM
The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.
 
2013-11-22 07:26:46 AM
*reads headline*

Chris Christie is gonna run as a Dem and beat out Hills to win the nom nod?

Wow, this *is*  news, Subby!

*reads article*

Ohhhhh. He's ahead of Hills by one point in a Qpac poll taken 3 years out.

Two things here.

First, Christie is gonna hafta survive the GOP nomination process and that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

Second, if Christie does win the GOP nom he'll have to have herped enuff TP derp to get there and that will make him less appealing to independents and centrists than now.
 
2013-11-22 07:26:49 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


Ah, *there's+ an image to brighten my Friday!
 
2013-11-22 07:27:05 AM
Another "Obama has destroyed the Democrats" article.  This has been an absurd week.

Remember when Nate Silver talked sense about polls?  Yea, those were the good ol' days, now we're back to idiotic spin.  A self serving media narrative of a contrived horse race.
 
2013-11-22 07:30:32 AM
The election is years away. I understand the political posturing and predictions, but this horribly biased article isn't shedding any reliable insight on future events. I only read a few paragraphs because it started going way off any tangible topic, so my bad if it eventually attempted to, I don't know,  make a point.

Unless Republicans make an honest effort to shift away from their base, Christie will hardly make it past the primaries without ruining any credible attributes he stood on prior.

Though I have to admit, it is funny watching the media's doom and gloom reaction to Obama's presidency because of a broken website, and insurers being insurers. Makes you completely forget that the government was taken hostage just a few weeks ago by his opposition.
 
2013-11-22 07:30:52 AM
An honest to God moderate Republican who isn't beholden to the Teahadis or the religious right?  Sweet!

Oh wait, a guy from New Jersey in Iowa?  He's screwed.

On the other hand, Hillary is turning into a moderate Republican in her old age.
 
2013-11-22 07:33:52 AM

farm1.static.flickr.com

 
2013-11-22 07:48:42 AM
Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.
 
2013-11-22 07:48:44 AM

quatchi: *reads headline*

Chris Christie is gonna run as a Dem and beat out Hills to win the nom nod?

Wow, this *is*  news, Subby!

*reads article*

Ohhhhh. He's ahead of Hills by one point in a Qpac poll taken 3 years out.

Two things here.

First, Christie is gonna hafta survive the GOP nomination process and that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

Second, if Christie does win the GOP nom he'll have to have herped enuff TP derp to get there and that will make him less appealing to independents and centrists than now.


Also 3 years out polls predicted something like Giuliani vs Clinton for 2008, and that we would have President Giuliani in power now (presumably re-election), so it seems kinda pointless to pay any attention to them given the track record.
 
2013-11-22 07:51:09 AM

foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.


I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.
 
2013-11-22 07:51:12 AM
Christie has to go through the GOP primary process where he'll be standing on stage with people who say the dumbest things ever spoken.  By association they will define how he is viewed by the rest of the country.  Christie is screwed.
 
2013-11-22 07:57:10 AM

Muta: Christie has to go through the GOP primary process where he'll be standing on stage with people who say the dumbest things ever spoken.  By association they will define how he is viewed by the rest of the country.  Christie is screwed.


I dunno, Christie seems his best in combative situations.  That could work in debates.  His real weakness is when there's no one to belittle.  His speeches flatly suck.
 
2013-11-22 08:00:05 AM
It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.
 
2013-11-22 08:15:25 AM
Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?
 
2013-11-22 08:15:32 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


I'm sure that would happen if we take off all of the warning labels off stuff and let Darwin decide.
 
2013-11-22 08:20:53 AM

rjakobi: Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.

I'm sure that would happen if we take off all of the warning labels off stuff and let Darwin decide.


When they are dead, they would vote democratic anyways
 
2013-11-22 08:22:38 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?
 
2013-11-22 08:23:55 AM
Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with. Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? Rick Santorum? Those three alone have the combined derp levels of 100,000 pig-raping bayou republicans.

He could either survive by being the last man standing like Romney did, or he could be derped to death like Jon Huntsman was.

Christie's saving grace is that he has certain physical qualities that the 69th Mechanized Hoverround Brigade can relate to.
 
2013-11-22 08:25:35 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Jeb Bush.

*ducks*
 
2013-11-22 08:26:50 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.


And the biggest reasons people see him as a great moderate republican.

People are too star struck that a republican DIDN'T act like a temper tantruming self destructive moron in one situation.
 
2013-11-22 08:27:03 AM
The Larch:  Who I missing?


Huckabee' s still an outside possibility, though that whole "let the nutcase free to murder cops" thing will be a major problem for him.

Plus Rand Paul will no doubt take a stab at it at some point.
 
2013-11-22 08:30:58 AM

quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*


RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-22 08:31:56 AM
He can thank GWB for not getting my vote. After that crazy mess the Dems could run just about anybody as far as I'm concerned. GWB, changed this formerly solid Republican voter to a voter who will never vote R again. Ds don't have my vote automatically, but Rs will never get it.
 
2013-11-22 08:32:33 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with.


I don't know. I am not even as big as Christie and I am not able to stoop very low these days. It is hard on the knees and lower back. Maybe he is surprisingly spry like Chris Farley and John Belushi.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:35 AM
I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:40 AM
Right now all of these stories are just variations of the limbless Black Knight screaming "I'll bite you!"
 
2013-11-22 08:33:54 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


Will they bring out Ben Carson as their "we got one too" candidate a'la Herman Cain or have they given up pretending by this point?
 
2013-11-22 08:34:06 AM

NeverDrunk23: Doctor Funkenstein: It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.

And the biggest reasons people see him as a great moderate republican.

People are too star struck that a republican DIDN'T act like a temper tantruming self destructive moron in one situation.


It's mind-boggling. The Tea Party has set the bar so absurdly low that Republicans in the mold of George W. Bush are now seen as reasonable moderates.
 
2013-11-22 08:36:01 AM

xria: Also 3 years out polls predicted something like Giuliani vs Clinton for 2008, and that we would have President Giuliani in power now (presumably re-election), so it seems kinda pointless to pay any attention to them given the track record.


*shivers*

Rudy would have made a horrible POTUS. The fact that his biggest donor in that race was a vulture capitalist was my tipoff that the guy was scum.
 
2013-11-22 08:37:14 AM

GameSprocket: Sock Ruh Tease: Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with.

I don't know. I am not even as big as Christie and I am not able to stoop very low these days. It is hard on the knees and lower back. Maybe he is surprisingly spry like Chris Farley and John Belushi.


He should use his mass to intimidate the TQ derpers in the primaries.  Threaten to sit/smother them if the even open their mouths during the debates.
 
2013-11-22 08:41:24 AM

timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.


Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.
 
2013-11-22 08:42:19 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.
 
2013-11-22 08:43:52 AM
I'm going with "superior gravitational pull."
 
2013-11-22 08:47:11 AM

quatchi: JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL

Will they bring out Ben Carson as their "we got one too" candidate a'la Herman Cain or have they given up pretending by this point?


No, under this scenario, the already have it covered with two browns. And as we all know from our GOP math lessons, 2 browns=1 black.

/=4 womenfolk
/=.1 Real American Tea Party Patriots
 
2013-11-22 08:47:49 AM

Muta: Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest of the country sees her as a joke.


She doesn't really want to run.  Politics is hard work - it's much easier to be a TV talking head and "write" books.
 
2013-11-22 08:49:59 AM

INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.


Oh really please explain. In detail.
 
2013-11-22 08:51:17 AM
Jesus Christ, can we at least get past the 2014 midterms before we start this shiat?

/of course we can't
 
2013-11-22 08:52:12 AM
I don't think Christie could beat Hillary or Warren.    The time for a woman Prez is here.

Unfortunately for them, they have to take over a stagnant, sluggish economy that requires life support in the form of QE.

The repubs should run Bachmann/Palin as a ticket.      No need to jump back into the WH yet.   Wait till the economy stir in a decade or so....
 
2013-11-22 08:52:35 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


Well, at least if anyone other than Christie wins the primary, we are practically guaranteed a Democrat win even if they run John Kerry again.
 
2013-11-22 08:54:03 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?


static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-11-22 08:57:37 AM
for a republican chris christie is pretty good, but he really hasn't had a nationwide campaign all focused on taking a giant dump on him to move those numbers around. Hillary has already been down that road, arguably twice.
 
2013-11-22 08:58:54 AM
Doesn't matter, if the GOP keeps shiatting themselves as hard as they have they'll never see the inside of Pennsylvania Ave for the next decade
 
2013-11-22 09:01:16 AM

bluenovaman: He can thank GWB for not getting my vote. After that crazy mess the Dems could run just about anybody as far as I'm concerned. GWB, changed this formerly solid Republican voter to a voter who will never vote R again. Ds don't have my vote automatically, but Rs will never get it.


This. I was a republican for 20 years until the derp just got so sickeningly thick that I couldn't even justify being a moderate republican any more, and registered as an independent.


It's sad because I think Christie would be a great pick... but the power I'd be giving the republican party I just can't stomach in good conscience.
 
2013-11-22 09:02:41 AM
If the Tea Party whackjobs remain the core of the Republican voting base, Christie will never get nominated.
 
2013-11-22 09:03:54 AM
This one is easy: he doesn't summarily dismiss all things related to his opposition as malicious, conspiratorial, or non-thought: something Hillary was doing long before it was cool. This lets him garner moderates and independents in a way that Hillary has never been able to match, and probably never will be able to match.
 
2013-11-22 09:05:10 AM
let's also start debating what movie will win the oscar for best picture in 2016.
 
2013-11-22 09:06:36 AM

INeedAName: timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.

Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.


I'd consider voting for Christie if he were a dem.  As a republican though, Christie would have to cater to teabaggers to get any type of agenda through congress.  Giving the extremists any more say in the functioning of our government is unacceptable as far as I am concerned
 
2013-11-22 09:07:21 AM

Muta: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.


No one.  That's the cream of the crop.  Good times.
 
2013-11-22 09:07:26 AM
In all honesty, I don't think that Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, nor even run.

Take that back, she might.

As a strategic move, for the DNC, having Hillary in the Primaries does make some sense, in that it will distract a fair amount of RNC resources to tear at her, to strategize on how to counter her in the general election, and it will mean that their friendly publishing interests and think tanks will expend a LOT column inches, as well as kill a lot trees to put out books that will seek to undermine her, and with about the same effect as the last go around, in that the actual nominee will get through relatively unscathed, and without the research needed to wage an effective campaign against them. The problem is, Hillary on the ticket for the general election will also motivate a LOT of folks who have a bug up their butts about her, and have had one for her for nearly a generation, and that will mean a LOT of campaign contributions to fight against her. Which will empty some coffers to support OTHER races as well. Hillary is a strategic weapon for the DNC, not a tactical one, and while I can see the DNC wanting to see resources taken from Senate and House races, I can't see them wanting to lose the White House. And Hillary is smart enough to realize this, and I think at this point, she has a thick enough skin to understand this.

I don't see Hillary as the nominee. That the last go around, one of her loudest "supporters" for a slot in the general election was Astroturf from the GOP says how much that the Republicans want to trounce her. They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her. Which is sort of like a boxer who wants to wale on a palooka who is past his prime, just to say that he beat him, as opposed to actually getting a real title shot. It's not exactly sporting. It shows the Rove methodology to winning elections at any cost, and his proteges are strong within the Republican framework at this point, and the Democrats are learning how to counter these folks--not in all areas, certainly not in all districts--at least on a national level. The only folks who really want to see Hillary run, are folks within the Republican leadership. They've been slavering at the idea of beating her, and beating her badly, for so long, that they've been walking around with a rage boner the size of New Jersey for 20 years, hoping to expend it on the corpse of her campaign, and I don't think that Hillary is going to give them the satisfaction.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:10 AM

Pep Streebeck: Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


An actor and Governor from California.  Give me a break.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:20 AM
It's not going to be center-right Clinton or extreme-right Christie. The pendulum has swung and people are tired of only having a choice between cutting a little or cutting a lot, making things a little worse or a lot worse. People are ready for increased healthcare, increased wages, increased voting rights, increased consumer protections, increased investments in infrastructure, increased access to college, increased social services, etc. Americans want a system that works for an increased number of people, not just the select few or the wealthy. Clinton knows this, which is why she promotes progressiveness in her speeches now. She might make the cut for VP, but my money is on Sherrod Brown from Ohio. Bully teabagger Christie is on the wrong side of the argument. It's going to be liberal-populist Warren. Warren / Brown 2016.
 
2013-11-22 09:12:25 AM

hubiestubert: In all honesty, I don't think that Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, nor even run.


I agree with this.

Hillary is a born politician. Despite not coming from a dynasty, it's pretty much in her blood, and nothing short of death is ever going to get her out of politics. But I think that this is exactly what happened: she had her fall, the docs looked her over, and one of them sat her down and said bluntly "Madam Secretary, if you continue your political career, you will die." I see no other scenario in which she would ever have resigned as Secretary of State.

Even without office, though, there's no way she would get out of politics completely. I fully expect her to be the Democrats' kingmaker (my personal guess is that she will endorse, and work very closely with, Elizabeth Warren). I just don't think she'll run herself.
 
2013-11-22 09:12:47 AM
We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.
 
2013-11-22 09:13:55 AM

mrshowrules: Pep Streebeck: Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

An actor and Governor from California.  Give me a break.


thegaminggang.com
 
2013-11-22 09:14:21 AM
This is the guy who couldn't even pass muster to be number two to the binders full of women guy. I don't Hillary is too worried.
 
2013-11-22 09:15:16 AM

hubiestubert: They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her.


I heard the same thing about Obama at the time.  Conservatives being relieved that they were up against Obama instead of Hillary.
 
2013-11-22 09:16:06 AM

Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.


Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?
 
2013-11-22 09:16:12 AM
The former lobbyist who worked under Bernie Madoff? The US attorney with the most questionable expenditures of government money? That guy is gonna get nominated by a bunch of libs?

Well, he sure as hell won't get the GOP nom...
 
2013-11-22 09:17:46 AM

Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.


From your prof:

I'm an outspoken independent embarrassed but chronically butthurt republican.
 
2013-11-22 09:18:57 AM

quatchi: Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*


Why is everyone acting like this about Jeb? All he has to do is not say anything galatically stupid, talk a lot about how he wants to get back to the glory days of '04, roll pops and bro out there on stage, and the delegates will be sucking each others cocks on the convention floor while they nominate him. You know it's true: The GOP will go running back to the Bush's if given the chance, especially if they get destroyed in '14 again.

And really, what other choice to they have? Are we really supposed to believe that Rand Paul or Ted Cruz are going to  hold it together enough over the next 3 years to be a candidate with a snowballs chance in an election?
 
2013-11-22 09:21:04 AM
Just show a montage of Christie screaming and shouting at women (because he seems to like to do that a lot) and call him a mysogynist. He loses a huge block of voters right there. The  guy can be a real dick. There is  no way this guy wins nationally.

Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.
 
2013-11-22 09:24:02 AM
In 2007 I said Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, and Obama will. And they all called me crazy.

Once again, Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, but that has nothing to do with Christie. Warren is the next President.
 
2013-11-22 09:26:06 AM

jayhawk88: You know it's true: The GOP will go running back to the Bush's if given the chance, especially if they get destroyed in '14 again.


QFT. Democrats underestimate Jeb Bush at their peril.
 
2013-11-22 09:27:51 AM

mrshowrules: hubiestubert: They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her.

I heard the same thing about Obama at the time.  Conservatives being relieved that they were up against Obama instead of Hillary.


That's because they were overconfident that they could beat a relative new comer to national politics. And more importantly, trying to get even footing since the reams of material that they had ready to hurl at Hillary in the general election would wait yet another year, unexpended...
 
2013-11-22 09:29:26 AM
It'd be fun to see Michelle Obama run. At least in the Primaries. As a Republican.

Just for the head-splodey goodness.
 
2013-11-22 09:30:07 AM

ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.


We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.
 
2013-11-22 09:30:55 AM

BMFPitt: In 2007 I said Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, and Obama will. And they all called me crazy.

Once again, Hillary can't win, won't get the nomination, but that has nothing to do with Christie. Warren is the next President.


Well why didn't you just say so? Hey everyone good news it looks like we don't need to hold an election after all, this guy knows who is going to be the next president. He guessed Obama would win and everything!
 
2013-11-22 09:32:07 AM
I don't want Hillary to run, but she'd be doing the nation a service by doing everything she can to APPEAR to be running until not filing her papers at the deadline.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:54 AM

INeedAName: ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.

We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.


Opinions and reasons are different things.
 
2013-11-22 09:37:29 AM

SuburbanCowboy: Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.


The funny part about his hurricane response was all he did was make nice with Obama to get federal money and make a lot of personal appearances (to wipe away the memory of him going on vacation during the last natural emergency in the state) the Tea-Party (Rand Paul et al.) despise him for taking federal funds so I really don't see him getting very far in a national election running on the Hurricane platform.
 
2013-11-22 09:44:33 AM

mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?


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2013-11-22 09:45:14 AM

monoski: SuburbanCowboy: Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.

The funny part about his hurricane response was all he did was make nice with Obama to get federal money and make a lot of personal appearances (to wipe away the memory of him going on vacation during the last natural emergency in the state)


Which still did more for bipartisan cooperation than anyone else except Obama has done since the turn of the century, and more than even Obama has done in the last 3-4 years.

the Tea-Party (Rand Paul et al.) despise him for taking federal funds so I really don't see him getting very far in a national election running on the Hurricane platform.

I don't know about that. The Republican establishment is about as fed up with the Tea Party as anyone else, and he's their most likely shot for trying to ram through. Once he's in, what will the Tea Partiers do, vote for Warren?
 
2013-11-22 09:45:16 AM

ScaryBottles: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

From your prof:

I'm an outspoken independentembarrassed but chronically butthurt republican.


I'm interested to see your thesis on how I'm anything like a Republican. I discussed this with Captain Dan last weekend, where he also feels like an independent but leans Republican so he's okay being a Republican. By that logic, I lean Democratic so I guess you could call me a Democrat.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:41 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.
 
2013-11-22 09:53:10 AM

jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.


THE?  There's only one?
 
2013-11-22 09:55:46 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

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The war criminal.

THE?  There's only one?


Well, I didn't say that.
 
2013-11-22 10:01:36 AM

jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: jso2897: Zeb Hesselgresser: mrshowrules: Triple Oak: We all know he's a bigot who won't make it through the primaries, right? As long as the bases are covered here.

Which GOP nominee isn't a bigot?

[discourseincsharpminor.files.wordpress.com image 600x750]

The war criminal.

THE?  There's only one?

Well, I didn't say that.


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2013-11-22 10:03:18 AM
I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.
 
2013-11-22 10:07:45 AM

Wendy's Chili: I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.


I think he's the only guy who will make it through the primaries. Christie seems to enjoy being an aggressive asshole, and Republicans respect the hell out of assholes.
 
2013-11-22 10:12:03 AM

SuburbanCowboy: Just show a montage of Christie screaming and shouting at women (because he seems to like to do that a lot) and call him a mysogynist. He loses a huge block of voters right there. The  guy can be a real dick. There is  no way this guy wins nationally.

Also, I hate it that any politician who happens to be in office during a disaster or tragedy, and just does their job is suddenly given hero stature. It's not like Christie went and pulled babies from a burning building during Sandy.


He actually did assist in pulling two children from a collapsed home in Point Pleasant.

But then he ate them.
 
2013-11-22 10:15:05 AM

verbaltoxin: Wendy's Chili: I don't know why people think it's unlikely that Christie would win a primary. He's more conservative than Romney or McCain and knows how to work the media a hell of a lot better.

I think he's the only guy who will make it through the primaries. Christie seems to enjoy being an aggressive asshole, and Republicans respect the hell out of assholes.


That's an understatement.

"It takes balls to execute an innocent man"
 
2013-11-22 10:18:30 AM

ScaryBottles: INeedAName: ScaryBottles: INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.

Oh really please explain. In detail.

We had three terms among the Bush family. We don't need four amongst the Clinton's. Oligarchy does not suit us.

Opinions and reasons are different things.


Actually opinions can be reasons. But since you're just arguing to argue, I'll be done with you now. Thanks.
 
2013-11-22 10:23:25 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


So Christie will have the same problem Rmoney had during the primaries.  He'll either have to go so far right to win the primary that he'll never be able to tack back to the center or he'll have to stay in the center and lose the primay.  Good luck.
 
2013-11-22 10:26:58 AM
Obama must feel like Mack Brown does every time some Texan mentions hiring Nick Saban to take over.
 
2013-11-22 10:34:41 AM
Christie would do well... if he was a Dem.
He either has to turn the derp up to 11 to get past GOP primaries (This is how it went for McCain and Romney - both also considered popular moderates) and then he'll share the same fate as McCain and Romney. Or he tries to stay sane and he'll lose the primaries. I'm interested in how it'll go. The GOP's screwed it up twice in a row now, I wonder if they'll go for three.
 
2013-11-22 10:37:26 AM

INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.


"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."
 
2013-11-22 10:47:06 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


You mean the same Republican primary voters that voted for the most moderate candidate in both 2008 and 2012? There are millions of Republican voters that live in the West and North. It's the derpy ones that are loudest. This thing is really Christie's to lose.
 
2013-11-22 10:51:14 AM

Diogenes: I'm going with "superior gravitational pull."


They can call his cabinet "the presidential satellites."
 
2013-11-22 11:25:29 AM

Muta: Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.


my bet is a sub-half-ass run like she did in 2011, Just enough to get the rubes to start writing checks, but not enough to be an actual contender that may result in actual campaigning.
 
2013-11-22 11:45:35 AM

BMFPitt: Warren is the next President


If the Republicans started screaming "ZOMG! LIBBIEST LIB EVAR!11!" about Obama, I can only imagine that their heads would asplode if we elected a genuine liberal.
 
2013-11-22 12:20:03 PM

INeedAName: timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.

Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.


That's going to have to be one hell of cross.
 
2013-11-22 12:31:18 PM

thamike: INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.

"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."


Well then we all should thoroughly thank you for bringing such intelligence to this conversation. Seriously. In the future just don't bother posting. You added absolutely nothing but wasted data to this thread.
 
2013-11-22 04:01:12 PM

INeedAName: thamike: INeedAName: Actually opinions can be reasons.

"Because I say so," isn't actually an opinion.  It's just a declarative statement.

That being said, I agree with your opinion, but i honestly can't argue reasonably against Clinton being president, other than my general distrust of bivouacked nepotism (which you referred to as "oligarchy.)  Then again, I can't explain my inherent distrust of nepotism other than "the Bush family are a bunch of spoonfed mutants."

Well then we all should thoroughly thank you for bringing such intelligence to this conversation. Seriously. In the future just don't bother posting. You added absolutely nothing but wasted data to this thread.


Yikes.  You have your Perspective-o-matic set to Shriek.
 
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