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2013-11-22 07:15:45 AM
She'd be totes jelly if the election were tomorrow. Unfortunately it's 3 years away
 
2013-11-22 07:24:45 AM
The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.
 
2013-11-22 07:26:46 AM
*reads headline*

Chris Christie is gonna run as a Dem and beat out Hills to win the nom nod?

Wow, this *is*  news, Subby!

*reads article*

Ohhhhh. He's ahead of Hills by one point in a Qpac poll taken 3 years out.

Two things here.

First, Christie is gonna hafta survive the GOP nomination process and that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

Second, if Christie does win the GOP nom he'll have to have herped enuff TP derp to get there and that will make him less appealing to independents and centrists than now.
 
2013-11-22 07:26:49 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


Ah, *there's+ an image to brighten my Friday!
 
2013-11-22 07:27:05 AM
Another "Obama has destroyed the Democrats" article.  This has been an absurd week.

Remember when Nate Silver talked sense about polls?  Yea, those were the good ol' days, now we're back to idiotic spin.  A self serving media narrative of a contrived horse race.
 
2013-11-22 07:30:32 AM
The election is years away. I understand the political posturing and predictions, but this horribly biased article isn't shedding any reliable insight on future events. I only read a few paragraphs because it started going way off any tangible topic, so my bad if it eventually attempted to, I don't know,  make a point.

Unless Republicans make an honest effort to shift away from their base, Christie will hardly make it past the primaries without ruining any credible attributes he stood on prior.

Though I have to admit, it is funny watching the media's doom and gloom reaction to Obama's presidency because of a broken website, and insurers being insurers. Makes you completely forget that the government was taken hostage just a few weeks ago by his opposition.
 
2013-11-22 07:30:52 AM
An honest to God moderate Republican who isn't beholden to the Teahadis or the religious right?  Sweet!

Oh wait, a guy from New Jersey in Iowa?  He's screwed.

On the other hand, Hillary is turning into a moderate Republican in her old age.
 
2013-11-22 07:33:52 AM

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2013-11-22 07:48:42 AM
Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.
 
2013-11-22 07:48:44 AM

quatchi: *reads headline*

Chris Christie is gonna run as a Dem and beat out Hills to win the nom nod?

Wow, this *is*  news, Subby!

*reads article*

Ohhhhh. He's ahead of Hills by one point in a Qpac poll taken 3 years out.

Two things here.

First, Christie is gonna hafta survive the GOP nomination process and that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

Second, if Christie does win the GOP nom he'll have to have herped enuff TP derp to get there and that will make him less appealing to independents and centrists than now.


Also 3 years out polls predicted something like Giuliani vs Clinton for 2008, and that we would have President Giuliani in power now (presumably re-election), so it seems kinda pointless to pay any attention to them given the track record.
 
2013-11-22 07:51:09 AM

foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.


I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.
 
2013-11-22 07:51:12 AM
Christie has to go through the GOP primary process where he'll be standing on stage with people who say the dumbest things ever spoken.  By association they will define how he is viewed by the rest of the country.  Christie is screwed.
 
2013-11-22 07:57:10 AM

Muta: Christie has to go through the GOP primary process where he'll be standing on stage with people who say the dumbest things ever spoken.  By association they will define how he is viewed by the rest of the country.  Christie is screwed.


I dunno, Christie seems his best in combative situations.  That could work in debates.  His real weakness is when there's no one to belittle.  His speeches flatly suck.
 
2013-11-22 08:00:05 AM
It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.
 
2013-11-22 08:15:25 AM
Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?
 
2013-11-22 08:15:32 AM

Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.


I'm sure that would happen if we take off all of the warning labels off stuff and let Darwin decide.
 
2013-11-22 08:20:53 AM

rjakobi: Bungles: The only way Chris Christie becomes nominee is a King Ralph situation, where several hundred thousand Republican primary voters are wiped off the map.

I'm sure that would happen if we take off all of the warning labels off stuff and let Darwin decide.


When they are dead, they would vote democratic anyways
 
2013-11-22 08:22:38 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?
 
2013-11-22 08:23:55 AM
Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with. Ted Cruz? Rand Paul? Rick Santorum? Those three alone have the combined derp levels of 100,000 pig-raping bayou republicans.

He could either survive by being the last man standing like Romney did, or he could be derped to death like Jon Huntsman was.

Christie's saving grace is that he has certain physical qualities that the 69th Mechanized Hoverround Brigade can relate to.
 
2013-11-22 08:25:35 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Jeb Bush.

*ducks*
 
2013-11-22 08:26:50 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.


And the biggest reasons people see him as a great moderate republican.

People are too star struck that a republican DIDN'T act like a temper tantruming self destructive moron in one situation.
 
2013-11-22 08:27:03 AM
The Larch:  Who I missing?


Huckabee' s still an outside possibility, though that whole "let the nutcase free to murder cops" thing will be a major problem for him.

Plus Rand Paul will no doubt take a stab at it at some point.
 
2013-11-22 08:30:58 AM

quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*


RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-22 08:31:56 AM
He can thank GWB for not getting my vote. After that crazy mess the Dems could run just about anybody as far as I'm concerned. GWB, changed this formerly solid Republican voter to a voter who will never vote R again. Ds don't have my vote automatically, but Rs will never get it.
 
2013-11-22 08:32:33 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with.


I don't know. I am not even as big as Christie and I am not able to stoop very low these days. It is hard on the knees and lower back. Maybe he is surprisingly spry like Chris Farley and John Belushi.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:35 AM
I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:40 AM
Right now all of these stories are just variations of the limbless Black Knight screaming "I'll bite you!"
 
2013-11-22 08:33:54 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


Will they bring out Ben Carson as their "we got one too" candidate a'la Herman Cain or have they given up pretending by this point?
 
2013-11-22 08:34:06 AM

NeverDrunk23: Doctor Funkenstein: It's amazing that the fact he was civil to President Obama one time will be the biggest thorn in his side in the primaries.

And the biggest reasons people see him as a great moderate republican.

People are too star struck that a republican DIDN'T act like a temper tantruming self destructive moron in one situation.


It's mind-boggling. The Tea Party has set the bar so absurdly low that Republicans in the mold of George W. Bush are now seen as reasonable moderates.
 
2013-11-22 08:36:01 AM

xria: Also 3 years out polls predicted something like Giuliani vs Clinton for 2008, and that we would have President Giuliani in power now (presumably re-election), so it seems kinda pointless to pay any attention to them given the track record.


*shivers*

Rudy would have made a horrible POTUS. The fact that his biggest donor in that race was a vulture capitalist was my tipoff that the guy was scum.
 
2013-11-22 08:37:14 AM

GameSprocket: Sock Ruh Tease: Christie is going to be waaaaaay too moderate for the primaries.

The man can stoop pretty low, but certainly not to the derpitydoo levels of the people he's likely to be competing with.

I don't know. I am not even as big as Christie and I am not able to stoop very low these days. It is hard on the knees and lower back. Maybe he is surprisingly spry like Chris Farley and John Belushi.


He should use his mass to intimidate the TQ derpers in the primaries.  Threaten to sit/smother them if the even open their mouths during the debates.
 
2013-11-22 08:41:24 AM

timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.


Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.
 
2013-11-22 08:42:19 AM

The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?


Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.
 
2013-11-22 08:43:52 AM
I'm going with "superior gravitational pull."
 
2013-11-22 08:47:11 AM

quatchi: JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL

Will they bring out Ben Carson as their "we got one too" candidate a'la Herman Cain or have they given up pretending by this point?


No, under this scenario, the already have it covered with two browns. And as we all know from our GOP math lessons, 2 browns=1 black.

/=4 womenfolk
/=.1 Real American Tea Party Patriots
 
2013-11-22 08:47:49 AM

Muta: Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest of the country sees her as a joke.


She doesn't really want to run.  Politics is hard work - it's much easier to be a TV talking head and "write" books.
 
2013-11-22 08:49:59 AM

INeedAName: foo monkey: Hillary is too old. She would be one year younger than Reagan. Not going to happen.

Christie is too New Jersey.

I'm not opposed to Christie, but I don't think he'll carry the south and midwest during a GOP primary.

As for Hillary, I'm really hoping she doesn't run. We need new blood at this point.


Oh really please explain. In detail.
 
2013-11-22 08:51:17 AM
Jesus Christ, can we at least get past the 2014 midterms before we start this shiat?

/of course we can't
 
2013-11-22 08:52:12 AM
I don't think Christie could beat Hillary or Warren.    The time for a woman Prez is here.

Unfortunately for them, they have to take over a stagnant, sluggish economy that requires life support in the form of QE.

The repubs should run Bachmann/Palin as a ticket.      No need to jump back into the WH yet.   Wait till the economy stir in a decade or so....
 
2013-11-22 08:52:35 AM

JoePragmatist: quatchi: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Jeb Bush.

*ducks*

RAND PAUL


Well, at least if anyone other than Christie wins the primary, we are practically guaranteed a Democrat win even if they run John Kerry again.
 
2013-11-22 08:54:03 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Where are the gimmick candidates like Donald Trump or Ted Nugent?


static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-11-22 08:57:37 AM
for a republican chris christie is pretty good, but he really hasn't had a nationwide campaign all focused on taking a giant dump on him to move those numbers around. Hillary has already been down that road, arguably twice.
 
2013-11-22 08:58:54 AM
Doesn't matter, if the GOP keeps shiatting themselves as hard as they have they'll never see the inside of Pennsylvania Ave for the next decade
 
2013-11-22 09:01:16 AM

bluenovaman: He can thank GWB for not getting my vote. After that crazy mess the Dems could run just about anybody as far as I'm concerned. GWB, changed this formerly solid Republican voter to a voter who will never vote R again. Ds don't have my vote automatically, but Rs will never get it.


This. I was a republican for 20 years until the derp just got so sickeningly thick that I couldn't even justify being a moderate republican any more, and registered as an independent.


It's sad because I think Christie would be a great pick... but the power I'd be giving the republican party I just can't stomach in good conscience.
 
2013-11-22 09:02:41 AM
If the Tea Party whackjobs remain the core of the Republican voting base, Christie will never get nominated.
 
2013-11-22 09:03:54 AM
This one is easy: he doesn't summarily dismiss all things related to his opposition as malicious, conspiratorial, or non-thought: something Hillary was doing long before it was cool. This lets him garner moderates and independents in a way that Hillary has never been able to match, and probably never will be able to match.
 
2013-11-22 09:05:10 AM
let's also start debating what movie will win the oscar for best picture in 2016.
 
2013-11-22 09:06:36 AM

INeedAName: timswar: I'd be amazed if Christie were able to even beat Santorum in a Republican primary. Much. Less Cruz, Paul, Ryan, or even Jindal.

He'd have a better chance switching sides and running as a Dem.

Not something I'd be terribly upset by. But he would have to make the switch ASAP. He easily carries NJ on either side of the ballot and some chunks of NY and PA would be on board. Being a Dem would put the whole northeast in play for him, and having been a moderate Republican would give him a huge chance at independents which means making a play for VA and Ohio. He might lose the deep conservatives in Florida but would be more likely to carry the black and hispanic vote which would give him a shot there as well.

Sadly the Reps in Congress would 'crucify' him and we would get the same obstructionist issues we currently have. In all honesty, I'd rather have him as Republican in the WH than anyone else they've offered up at this point.


I'd consider voting for Christie if he were a dem.  As a republican though, Christie would have to cater to teabaggers to get any type of agenda through congress.  Giving the extremists any more say in the functioning of our government is unacceptable as far as I am concerned
 
2013-11-22 09:07:21 AM

Muta: The Larch: Who's going to run for the Republicans in 2016? So far, I've heard:

Ted Cruz
Paul Ryan
Rick Santorum
Chris Christie
Scott Walker

And, still possible, but unlikely

Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Rick Perry

Who I missing?

Palin or do you think she's realized that the rest  of the country sees her as a joke.


No one.  That's the cream of the crop.  Good times.
 
2013-11-22 09:07:26 AM
In all honesty, I don't think that Hillary is going to be the Democratic nominee, nor even run.

Take that back, she might.

As a strategic move, for the DNC, having Hillary in the Primaries does make some sense, in that it will distract a fair amount of RNC resources to tear at her, to strategize on how to counter her in the general election, and it will mean that their friendly publishing interests and think tanks will expend a LOT column inches, as well as kill a lot trees to put out books that will seek to undermine her, and with about the same effect as the last go around, in that the actual nominee will get through relatively unscathed, and without the research needed to wage an effective campaign against them. The problem is, Hillary on the ticket for the general election will also motivate a LOT of folks who have a bug up their butts about her, and have had one for her for nearly a generation, and that will mean a LOT of campaign contributions to fight against her. Which will empty some coffers to support OTHER races as well. Hillary is a strategic weapon for the DNC, not a tactical one, and while I can see the DNC wanting to see resources taken from Senate and House races, I can't see them wanting to lose the White House. And Hillary is smart enough to realize this, and I think at this point, she has a thick enough skin to understand this.

I don't see Hillary as the nominee. That the last go around, one of her loudest "supporters" for a slot in the general election was Astroturf from the GOP says how much that the Republicans want to trounce her. They want her in the general election, because they are fairly certain that they can beat her. Which is sort of like a boxer who wants to wale on a palooka who is past his prime, just to say that he beat him, as opposed to actually getting a real title shot. It's not exactly sporting. It shows the Rove methodology to winning elections at any cost, and his proteges are strong within the Republican framework at this point, and the Democrats are learning how to counter these folks--not in all areas, certainly not in all districts--at least on a national level. The only folks who really want to see Hillary run, are folks within the Republican leadership. They've been slavering at the idea of beating her, and beating her badly, for so long, that they've been walking around with a rage boner the size of New Jersey for 20 years, hoping to expend it on the corpse of her campaign, and I don't think that Hillary is going to give them the satisfaction.
 
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