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2013-11-22 07:33:27 AM
And that's why STEM programs are so lucrative.

/thought we should get this out of the way early.
 
2013-11-22 07:34:17 AM
If you can't beat the tests, lower the standards.

Also, Texas.
 
2013-11-22 07:35:34 AM
Algebra II is high level math?
 
2013-11-22 07:37:55 AM
 Jimmie Don Aycock

Elementary school had to be a b*tch for him.
 
2013-11-22 07:39:14 AM
Don't forget the politicians who wanted to pass legislation requiring that pi be changed to just 3.00000.
Seems that their snowflakes had problems with decimals.
 
2013-11-22 07:39:32 AM
Well, maybe if they had a consolidate place to store the school books they use to teach math with.  Some sort of depository....
 
2013-11-22 07:39:34 AM
Buried in the end of TFA:

For now, 17 states, including Texas, require algebra II

... I mean, really?  17? Alg 2 isn't higher level math, and .. oh well.  I give up.
 
2013-11-22 07:40:01 AM
The world needs ditchdiggers, but not the fancy-dan over-educated algebra II kind.
 
2013-11-22 07:41:09 AM

MadMonk: Algebra II is high level math?


Texas.
 
2013-11-22 07:42:40 AM

foo monkey: MadMonk: Algebra II is high level math?

Texas.


What about the 33 states that already don't require it?
 
2013-11-22 07:42:45 AM
I have two advanced degrees and I can't remember the last time I even used algebra.
 
2013-11-22 07:42:51 AM

MadMonk: Algebra II is high level math?


It was the highest level that the non-science or math majors required when I was in school. Even in college, it was the highest requirement for business majors. It was used as justification by the grad students to try to lower the MBA requirements to just Algebra II, but the school board just laughed at the proposal.
 
2013-11-22 07:43:25 AM
What the? Algebra 2 was a bit difficult. I actually see this as reasonable. I hate to say that.


/me is going to go cry in a corner
 
2013-11-22 07:44:02 AM
The fact that algebra needs to be broken down into two separate courses should tell you everything you needed to know.
 
2013-11-22 07:44:13 AM
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2013-11-22 07:47:39 AM
I'm a math teacher and I'm ok with this.

Algebra II is Descartes rule of signs, rational functions, and power functions.  Most of these kids have yet to master adding, multiplication and fractions.  Personally, I'd rather they learn things about interest rates, mortgages, and paying taxes over the Properties of Logarithms.  It would probably make them more productive citizens.

But somewhere in process some idiot looked at a bunch of statistics and noticed the college-successful students took algebra II in high school -- and they jumped to conclusions based purely upon their lack of understanding of correlation versus causation.
 
2013-11-22 07:47:49 AM

nucrash: What the? Algebra 2 was a bit difficult. I actually see this as reasonable. I hate to say that.


/me is going to go cry in a corner


OMG something is hard!  Ban it!

/Took Algebra II in 9th grade...
 
2013-11-22 07:48:11 AM
I took algebra in highschool.  I never felt like I wasted any class as much.  I would think geometry and just basic formula rules would do students much better.  If a college requires more than that for a degree, then the student would find that out when he/she applies.
 
2013-11-22 07:48:49 AM
I was in the first class in my county that offered Algebra II to 9th graders. It was a big experiment back in the early '70s; offering higher level classes to promising students early on. IIRC nearly all of us went on to take all the math classes offered by our school (Geometry, Trig, Analytic Geometry, etc) and a large number of us became engineers or other technical careers.
 
2013-11-22 07:49:02 AM
why do you hate america by learnin your kids that Arab math.  damn terrorist indoctrination is what it is
 
2013-11-22 07:50:00 AM
I see the folks who use Algebra every day in the workplace jumped on this first.

Here's some reality guys - it is a slim minority of you cranking equations for paychecks. Several lifestyles and careers - apart from ditch digging - do no algebra after stepping out of that last glorious final.

Please respect our right to not devote a valuable chunk of our brain power to such drivel. We draw the line at Algebra I.

/Standards should be upped for personal accounting and memorization of larger, more relevant multiplication tables.
 
2013-11-22 07:50:16 AM

MadMonk: Algebra II is high level math?


Depends on where you divide Algebra I and II, perhaps.

How many Americans over 30 can solve a quadratic with imaginary roots?  1 in 20 at the very best.  And I'm hard pressed to see why more need to be able to.

On the other hand, how many people can answer "How many years of compound 4% interest to double an amount of money" (simple exponent/log stuff, which is often not seen until Algebra II)?  Sadly, probably only 1-in-10 can, but a whole lot more should.
 
2013-11-22 07:50:17 AM
This could look bad for a BOE that fights, and wins, to teach Genesis over geology, that Jesus rode a biblesaurus to the Last Supper.

However, we're talking algebra II, not algebra I.  Yes, bazillions of Japanese and Chinese kids learn this stuff as infants while changing their own diapers.  But here, if you're not already proficient in basic math and algebra I by junior high, it's too damn late to expect all kids to pass algebra II to graduate.

If we ever hope to graduate truly sharp minds able to compete here and abroad, perhaps it's time to begin preparing kids for that goal MUCH earlier before 12th grade.
 
2013-11-22 07:50:40 AM
I think there should be a math elective that teaches maths like Numberphile on Youtube does. It would probably help get more kids into math if someone is explaining all the freaky sh*t you can do with it.
 
2013-11-22 07:51:33 AM

dittybopper: Well, maybe if they had a consolidate place to store the school books they use to teach math with.  Some sort of depository....


It's a little full of temporal paradox.
 
2013-11-22 07:52:22 AM
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2013-11-22 07:54:36 AM

UNC_Samurai: dittybopper: Well, maybe if they had a consolidate place to store the school books they use to teach math with.  Some sort of depository....

It's a little full of temporal paradox.


Goddamn unfetchable urls

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2013-11-22 07:55:14 AM
I understand Farkers desperate need to jump on Texas every chance they get, but really? There are only 16 other states that require it, yet you give Texas shiat for dropping it. Algebra is one of those things that few people will ever use, anything more than a basic understanding of it is simply useless to the other 99% of the population.
 
2013-11-22 07:55:39 AM
Cost of meal = (X)
Acceptable Tip (X times .15) = Y

X + Y = Not being an asshole

Hell, that basic algebra lesson would improve things dramatically
 
2013-11-22 07:56:24 AM
As someone who has taken a lot of higher level math, no, algebra 2 is not necessary for most vocations. If you're not planning on going to college, whether it be a vocational or trade school, you won't miss it and it's not something you'll ever use outside of Algebra 2.

Hey, here's a wacky idea...how about we mandate classes that teach actual life skills...like Personal Finance.

/feel dirty for agreeing with Texas
 
2013-11-22 07:57:26 AM
Is there a standard definition -- across state lines -- for Algebra II?

I assume I must have taken something like that in high school...but, I don't remember anything in particular about it.

The last math class I took (a long, long time ago) was linear algebra.
 
2013-11-22 07:58:55 AM
Personally, I didn't find Algebra II very useful. However, I learned Geometry and Philosophy in 9th grade and they both completely shaped how I discussed ideas after that. I think Geometry, Philosophy and Debate classes should be taught as early in the high school program as possible to help students with their other classes.
 
2013-11-22 08:02:42 AM

UNC_Samurai: dittybopper: Well, maybe if they had a consolidate place to store the school books they use to teach math with.  Some sort of depository....

It's a little full of temporal paradox.


It's no magic bullet.
 
2013-11-22 08:06:57 AM
I read the article expecting to be pissed (it is Texas, after all).  But I agree with this.  So many students, especially in rural areas, want to learn a votech trade and get to work.  Making them take algebra II is asking for higher failure rates.  And, if you want to pursue college, then you can take algebra II, no problem.  It's actually a pretty good solution.

Now all Texas needs to do is create a separate school district of just votech schools and funnel students into those, and leave traditional high school for those who are college bound.
 
2013-11-22 08:07:58 AM
If relaxing the theoretical math requirement frees up more time and money for students to learn applied math -- like physics and computer programming - I'm okay with that.
 
2013-11-22 08:09:15 AM
Isn't algebra II how you get to 57 states?

Anyway, as someone who does a lot of math at work, I tend to agree with the people who would replace Algebra 2 with what I guess you would call "applied math." The need to do matrix math, and function transforms...yeah most people aren't going to have a need for that outside of the classroom. But stuff like applied math, calculating tip amounts, or mortgage payments, fixed-versus-adjustable rate loans...heck, even set up a class where every kid is running a fictional small business and has to deal with the accounting books...looking back, that's something I wish I really had access to instead of drawing hyperbolic curves for 2 months for no apparent reason.


"First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boyscouts. "
 
2013-11-22 08:10:07 AM
"Eliminating the algebra II mandate for most students was part of a major overhaul of graduation, standardized testing and curriculum requirements unanimously approved by the Texas Legislature in May. The shake-up was meant to give students the flexibility to focus on career and vocational training - not just college prep courses.

Much of the debate over the changes has focused on the algebra II requirement. Many academic experts and school administrators said it's a key prerequisite for success both in college and beyond. But some trade groups argued that plenty of high-paying jobs are available without a college degree or high-level math"

You know what, I'm ok with this.  College isn't meant for everybody, and honestly we need more tradesmen then college graduates it seems.  Not everybody needs Algebra 2, and most of the stuff they will need to know will be provided by the vocational school and apprenticeships.

The whole focus on college prep has really ruined the school system IMO. Let kids who really want to go to college have access to college prep resources, but don't make it mandatory.  Primary education should be about getting kids ready for adulthood, not college. Most people can't balance a check book, fix a healthy meal, or fill out a job application.  Too many people are saddled with student loan debt that should have never gone to college.
 
2013-11-22 08:10:22 AM
i took algebra 2 in high school and it was an absolute waste of my time.  it was probably the most useless and abstract math i took in school, and i could have skipped it entirely and gone right to trigonometry with no problems.  although i did go to college for english and philosophy and only took one math course (stats) through all of college, so maybe i'm just biased against math in general.  although i did kind of enjoy trigonometry.
 
2013-11-22 08:11:43 AM
Menjo_Bleeko
2013-11-22 07:39:34 AM


Buried in the end of TFA:

For now, 17 states, including Texas, require algebra II

... I mean, really? 17? Alg 2 isn't higher level math, and .. oh well. I give up.

Because republicans own the teachers union.

/// not because the Department of education is a federal disaster. Thanks Carter(DNC)
 
2013-11-22 08:14:33 AM
At first I was all WHARGARBLE! But then I RTFA and saw the justification. Quite simply, many high school graduates would be better off skipping college and going to grade school, so why add this requirement?
 
2013-11-22 08:16:25 AM
Texas wants workers who run machines, not people who think.
 
2013-11-22 08:17:33 AM

Blink: I'm a math teacher and I'm ok with this.

Algebra II is Descartes rule of signs, rational functions, and power functions.  Most of these kids have yet to master adding, multiplication and fractions.  Personally, I'd rather they learn things about interest rates, mortgages, and paying taxes over the Properties of Logarithms.  It would probably make them more productive citizens.

But somewhere in process some idiot looked at a bunch of statistics and noticed the college-successful students took algebra II in high school -- and they jumped to conclusions based purely upon their lack of understanding of correlation versus causation.


Oh, shut the hell up.  You and your "anecdotal" evidence and "rational" statements and "preparing children for the real world."  Quite honestly, who cares if their checkbooks are balanced or if they understand compound interest, as long as they understand rational functions.  You make way too much sense for Fark, so if you'd kindly just get the hell out of the thread . . .
 
2013-11-22 08:21:10 AM
Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.
 
2013-11-22 08:21:18 AM

sambluesnark: Don't forget the politicians who wanted to pass legislation requiring that pi be changed to just 3.00000.
Seems that their snowflakes had problems with decimals.


Never heard of it. Can't decide if Poe's law or not. Can this even remotely be true?
 
2013-11-22 08:22:59 AM

walkerhound: I have two advanced degrees and I can't remember the last time I even used algebra.


Just wondering, one in philosophy and one in psychology?
 
2013-11-22 08:23:51 AM

snowshovel: Isn't algebra II how you get to 57 states?

Anyway, as someone who does a lot of math at work, I tend to agree with the people who would replace Algebra 2 with what I guess you would call "applied math." The need to do matrix math, and function transforms...yeah most people aren't going to have a need for that outside of the classroom. But stuff like applied math, calculating tip amounts, or mortgage payments, fixed-versus-adjustable rate loans...heck, even set up a class where every kid is running a fictional small business and has to deal with the accounting books...looking back, that's something I wish I really had access to instead of drawing hyperbolic curves for 2 months for no apparent reason.


"First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boyscouts. "


grfx.cstv.comApproves

/I thought I was one of the few who remember that flick
//Fark proves me wrong
 
2013-11-22 08:24:09 AM
Used it every day as a baker.
No I use it for prorations.
 
2013-11-22 08:24:57 AM
Most people in texas want algebra II to be part of the curriculum; those districts that have issues graduating people however do not want it as a requirement.
 
2013-11-22 08:27:03 AM

pkellmey: MadMonk: Algebra II is high level math?

It was the highest level that the non-science or math majors required when I was in school. Even in college, it was the highest requirement for business majors. It was used as justification by the grad students to try to lower the MBA requirements to just Algebra II, but the school board just laughed at the proposal.


A business major required no calculus at all? Wow. Most I seen at least required one course of the stuff.
 
2013-11-22 08:27:08 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Cost of meal = (X)
Acceptable Tip (X times .15) = Y

X + Y = Not being an asshole

Hell, that basic algebra lesson would improve things dramatically


I prefer

[Paying your employees a fair wage to begin with] * [actually manage your employees, instead of letting the customers deal with disciplining bad employees through not tipping] / [not making your prices seem lower by not having to factor in employee wages] = much fairer

...but that's just me.
 
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