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(ESPN)   Knicks coach complains that Carmelo Anthony is not getting "superstar" calls from refs. Apparently all the "superstar" calls are going to the hotshots on the other teams. You know, the teams that aren't 3-8   (espn.go.com) divider line 71
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2013-11-21 11:52:00 PM
They're 3-8? Damn.....
 
2013-11-22 02:50:24 AM
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2013-11-22 02:52:20 AM
You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat
 
2013-11-22 03:00:46 AM
I think a better headline would have been:

"Knicks coach explains why 'Maybe you should drive' has gone from caring about the NBA religiously to barely knowing who is on his favorite team."

I guess that might be a long headline though...
 
2013-11-22 03:06:09 AM
Go Pacers! (played like shiat, let nyk score the first 13 pts, didnt rebound or play perimeter D and still beat the Knicks)
 
2013-11-22 03:07:27 AM

mainstreet62: They're 3-8? Damn.....


Given how bad the Atlantic is(again), that winning percentage might just be enough.
 
2013-11-22 03:26:23 AM

Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat


I have season tickets to the Portland Trailblazers in the lower bowl. My point is that I have a pretty good view. There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, that leads me to believe there is any plausible game fixing by the refs. The refs do an unusually balanced job overall.

Different players develop their game, and the refs do tailor how they make their judgements based on the consistency how players execute. However, this gets reinterpreted every year with different points of emphasis each year.

The refs do blow calls, but it's part of the game.
 
2013-11-22 03:36:25 AM

mainstreet62: They're 3-8? Damn.....


As are the Nets. It's hilarious. In the preseason the Nets and Knicks were trash-talking each other about who owned New York. As it turns out, it's the rest of the league that owns New York.
 
2013-11-22 03:38:51 AM

Maybe you should drive: I think a better headline would have been:

"Knicks coach explains why 'Maybe you should drive' has gone from caring about the NBA religiously to barely knowing who is on his favorite team."

I guess that might be a long headline though...


Same. 1989 to ~2001, NBA basketball (and college, especially March Madness) was by far my favorite sport to watch. Since then, I've replaced ball sports with combat sports almost entirely (though I do still like baseball).
 
2013-11-22 03:41:20 AM
In a nutshell, this is why I rarely watch the NBA.  The officiating is atrocious; the very idea that "certain players get certain calls" sort of makes it a rigged game to start with.  At least in baseball, a strike is a strike is a strike (from umpire's perspective to umpire's perspective, granted, but at least it's consistent).  I have seen Dwayne Wade do things on the court that should have fouled him out in the first half, but he's standing at the free throw line again with only one mark against him with two minutes to go in the game.

"Superstar calls."  Walking, talking Jesus.  Have some integrity.

/you're free to get off my lawn at any point
 
2013-11-22 04:23:57 AM

zombiegoat: In a nutshell, this is why I rarely watch the NBA.  The officiating is atrocious; the very idea that "certain players get certain calls" sort of makes it a rigged game to start with.  At least in baseball, a strike is a strike is a strike (from umpire's perspective to umpire's perspective, granted, but at least it's consistent).  I have seen Dwayne Wade do things on the court that should have fouled him out in the first half, but he's standing at the free throw line again with only one mark against him with two minutes to go in the game.

"Superstar calls."  Walking, talking Jesus.  Have some integrity.

/you're free to get off my lawn at any point


derrick rose gets the same thing. he is gifted with blocking calls and FTA's where there should be charges called constantly. he would foul out of every game or ride the pine without preferential treatment. yes, as a pacer fan i'm biased against the Bulls but wade, lebron, and kobe have gotten the same calls for years.
 
2013-11-22 04:29:44 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Maybe you should drive: I think a better headline would have been:

"Knicks coach explains why 'Maybe you should drive' has gone from caring about the NBA religiously to barely knowing who is on his favorite team."

I guess that might be a long headline though...

Same. 1989 to ~2001, NBA basketball (and college, especially March Madness) was by far my favorite sport to watch. Since then, I've replaced ball sports with combat sports almost entirely (though I do still like baseball).


It's too bad.  The game itself can be so awesome.  But the NBA today is awful.  In 1994-95 I literally watched every single game my team played.  Every one.  Today?  I probably won't watch a single NBA game all the way through...  I'll just catch a few highlights....
 
2013-11-22 06:52:36 AM
The New York Knicks are the single greatest argument against the NBA being fixed. Do you really think that a fixed league would let its marquee franchise be such a consistent laughingstock and playoff non-entity? In a fixed league, the last ten Spurs seasons would have been swapped out for the last ten Knicks seasons.
 
2013-11-22 06:52:55 AM

SquiggsIN: zombiegoat: In a nutshell, this is why I rarely watch the NBA.  The officiating is atrocious; the very idea that "certain players get certain calls" sort of makes it a rigged game to start with.  At least in baseball, a strike is a strike is a strike (from umpire's perspective to umpire's perspective, granted, but at least it's consistent).  I have seen Dwayne Wade do things on the court that should have fouled him out in the first half, but he's standing at the free throw line again with only one mark against him with two minutes to go in the game.

"Superstar calls."  Walking, talking Jesus.  Have some integrity.

/you're free to get off my lawn at any point

derrick rose gets the same thing. he is gifted with blocking calls and FTA's where there should be charges called constantly. he would foul out of every game or ride the pine without preferential treatment. yes, as a pacer fan i'm biased against the Bulls but wade, lebron, and kobe have gotten the same calls for years.


Rose? Didn't he just go 95 minutes without seeing the line?
 
2013-11-22 07:58:23 AM

zombiegoat: The officiating is atrocious; the very idea that "certain players get certain calls" sort of makes it a rigged game to start with.


Can't agree with this more.  This is why I watch football, a game where the modern professional rule set has almost been entirely designed to benefit the marketable quarterback position, where passing games have become entirely dominant at the expense of other styles, and---wait, I was going somewhere with this.
 
2013-11-22 08:10:50 AM
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2013-11-22 08:16:08 AM
Mike_LowELL:

Can't agree with this more.  This is why I watch football, a game where the modern professional rule set has almost been entirely designed to benefit the marketable quarterback position, where passing games have become entirely dominant at the expense of other styles, and---wait, I was going somewhere with this.

Where the guy with the ball can grab the defenders facemask but the defender gets a 15 yard penalty for doing the same.
 
2013-11-22 08:21:19 AM

Palmer Eldritch: The New York Knicks are the single greatest argument against the NBA being fixed. Do you really think that a fixed league would let its marquee franchise be such a consistent laughingstock and playoff non-entity? In a fixed league, the last ten Spurs seasons would have been swapped out for the last ten Knicks seasons.


Even hilariously bad officiating can't overcome shiatty management.
 
2013-11-22 08:26:06 AM

Maybe you should drive: But the NBA today is awful. In 1994-95 I literally watched every single game my team played. Every one. Today? I probably won't watch a single NBA game all the way through... I'll just catch a few highlights....


Yeah, 'cos refs were so judicious and egalitarian in the mid-90s, when interrupting a possible highlight reel moment for the Bulls put Jordan on the foul stripe. I believe Scottie Pippen was an honorary member of the US National Soccer Team, he flopped so much. That was a simpler time, though, when a man could regularly bet on basketball games while in the NBA and not have any worries, with a backup plan to play minor league baseball to distract the media and fans if the truth gets close to emerging.
 
2013-11-22 08:36:11 AM

Palmer Eldritch: The New York Knicks are the single greatest argument against the NBA being fixed. Do you really think that a fixed league would let its marquee franchise be such a consistent laughingstock and playoff non-entity? In a fixed league, the last ten Spurs seasons would have been swapped out for the last ten Knicks seasons.


Actually, the argument is still valid. The NBA is remarkable for it's focus on marketing individual PLAYERS, to the detriment of marketing teams.

I don't watch the NBA, but I could probably list 5 of the top 10 players off the top of my head...but I really have no idea what teams most of them play for. It's always "KOBE BRYANT takes his Lakers to face...." or "LEBRON JAMES, in his attempt to get that championship ring to validate his greatness..."
 
2013-11-22 08:36:31 AM

Maybe you should drive: It's too bad.  The game itself can be so awesome.  But the NBA today is awful.  In 1994-95 I literally watched every single game my team played.  Every one.  Today?  I probably won't watch a single NBA game all the way through...  I'll just catch a few highlights....


These may not be the halcyon days of the NBA, but 94-95 wasn't a better time.

You had a sixth seed with the title, the Knicks with their "hit everybody and let Starks miss a lot of shots" strategy, and a league so weak that Vin Baker looked like a star...
 
2013-11-22 08:37:06 AM

rcantley: Maybe you should drive: It's too bad.  The game itself can be so awesome.  But the NBA today is awful.  In 1994-95 I literally watched every single game my team played.  Every one.  Today?  I probably won't watch a single NBA game all the way through...  I'll just catch a few highlights....

These may not be the halcyon days of the NBA, but 94-95 wasn't a better time.

You had a sixth seed with the title, the Knicks with their "hit everybody and let Starks miss a lot of shots" strategy, and a league so weak that Vin Baker looked like a star...


Though on the plus side, I think Maybe You Should Drive did come out in '94...
 
2013-11-22 08:44:02 AM
ITT:

Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat


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Maybe you should drive: Bonanza Jellybean: Maybe you should drive: I think a better headline would have been:

"Knicks coach explains why 'Maybe you should drive' has gone from caring about the NBA religiously to barely knowing who is on his favorite team."

I guess that might be a long headline though...

Same. 1989 to ~2001, NBA basketball (and college, especially March Madness) was by far my favorite sport to watch. Since then, I've replaced ball sports with combat sports almost entirely (though I do still like baseball).

It's too bad.  The game itself can be so awesome.  But the NBA today is awful.  In 1994-95 I literally watched every single game my team played.  Every one.  Today?  I probably won't watch a single NBA game all the way through...  I'll just catch a few highlights....


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FFS, the NBA has never been better. If you can't lighten up and enjoy it, just STFU and change the channel. Given that hockey (a fringe sport closer in popularity to dressage than pro basketball) is Fark's favorite sport, I'm not surprised that 99% of the people who post about the NBA here have no farking idea what they're talking about.
 
2013-11-22 09:14:45 AM

Palmer Eldritch: The New York Knicks are the single greatest argument against the NBA being fixed. Do you really think that a fixed league would let its marquee franchise be such a consistent laughingstock and playoff non-entity? In a fixed league, the last ten Spurs seasons would have been swapped out for the last ten Knicks seasons.


LOL @ NYKnicks being "The NBA Marquee Team".

The team that has only won two championships and it was a millennium ago?

Son, the NBA Marquee teams are Lakers and Celtics. The rest of the teams only get prop status when they get a superstar because NBA loves superstars more than teams. After Jodan, nobody cared about Chicago until Rose came in.
 
2013-11-22 09:18:59 AM

Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat


It's the only one where it would really work.   Other sports have too many players in the game and/or the superstars don't get the ball as often.

If an NFL WR is getting PI calls every time he doesn't make a catch that still might only be 1-2 calls a game as he might only be targeted 7-8 times and might make 6 catches out of that.

Hockey you have 4 offense and 3 defensive lines

Baseball you get 4ish at bats a game and maybe make 5-6 defensive plays

NBA the superstar touches the ball on almost every possession in the game and might get 12-15 calls go his way.   That could be a 20-30 point swing right there.
 
2013-11-22 09:21:52 AM
The NBA is super awesome right now. Sorry about your hangups. You are missing out.


Go Warriors!
 
2013-11-22 09:29:34 AM

Harry_Seldon: Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat

I have season tickets to the Portland Trailblazers in the lower bowl. My point is that I have a pretty good view. There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, that leads me to believe there is any plausible game fixing by the refs. The refs do an unusually balanced job overall.

Different players develop their game, and the refs do tailor how they make their judgements based on the consistency how players execute. However, this gets reinterpreted every year with different points of emphasis each year.

The refs do blow calls, but it's part of the game.


clear, concise, and well-said.  you do realize this is fark, don't you?
 
2013-11-22 09:30:06 AM

Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat


I hate this post so much.
 
2013-11-22 09:32:26 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: NBA the superstar touches the ball on almost every possession in the game and might get 12-15 calls go his way. That could be a 20-30 point swing right there.


All shooting fouls? Wow.
 
2013-11-22 09:39:45 AM
What part of Carmelo Anthony not getting superstar calls am I not understanding? Somebody thinks he should be?
 
2013-11-22 09:43:25 AM

ChrisDe: What part of Carmelo Anthony not getting superstar calls am I not understanding? Somebody thinks he should be?


His coach.
 
2013-11-22 09:43:42 AM
Well Carmelo knows how to fix that. More shots. Long range low percentage. More.
 
2013-11-22 09:45:31 AM

ChrisDe: What part of Carmelo Anthony not getting superstar calls am I not understanding? Somebody thinks he should be?


I've never gotten the big deal about 'Melo.  No defense, ball hogs, soft - he's not someone you can build a successful team around.  He's like an uncharismatic, non-rebounding Dominique Wilkins.  That clip of him suckerpunching Collins and then running away as 4'10" Nate Robinson chased him pretty much tells you all you need to know about the guy.
 
2013-11-22 09:58:48 AM
Meanwhile, on defense:

notsportscenter.com
 
2013-11-22 10:02:52 AM
You have to be pretty bad to be worse that the teams who are deliberately tanking the season
 
2013-11-22 10:25:40 AM
as a jazz fan... I think I need another drink
 
2013-11-22 10:29:31 AM

js34603: Well Carmelo knows how to fix that. More shots. Long range low percentage. More.


Did you watch the game the other night?  When he took the guy to the block?

I am not a fan of Melo's and dont think his game translates into championships, but he is an awesome offensive talent. The Knicks are a mess this season.  I am not sure it is Melo's fault.
 
2013-11-22 10:39:00 AM

rocky_howard: Palmer Eldritch: The New York Knicks are the single greatest argument against the NBA being fixed. Do you really think that a fixed league would let its marquee franchise be such a consistent laughingstock and playoff non-entity? In a fixed league, the last ten Spurs seasons would have been swapped out for the last ten Knicks seasons.

LOL @ NYKnicks being "The NBA Marquee Team".

The team that has only won two championships and it was a millennium ago?

Son, the NBA Marquee teams are Lakers and Celtics. The rest of the teams only get prop status when they get a superstar because NBA loves superstars more than teams. After Jodan, nobody cared about Chicago until Rose came in.


The Knicks are a "marquee" team only because they are in the largest media market in the country. The NBA would love the Knicks to be successful, because it would result in higher TV ratings for the playoffs, in turn resulting in more revenue for the league.

/The past few seasons of the NBA have been great, exciting basketball. If you're missing it, too bad for you.
 
2013-11-22 11:03:30 AM

Gunny Highway: js34603: Well Carmelo knows how to fix that. More shots. Long range low percentage. More.

Did you watch the game the other night?  When he took the guy to the block?

I am not a fan of Melo's and dont think his game translates into championships, but he is an awesome offensive talent. The Knicks are a mess this season.  I am not sure it is Melo's fault.


No I missed that time he took a guy into the post. Must have been an accident.

I don't think all the Knicks' problems are his fault, their biggest problem is without Chandler they're awful on defense. I do think Melo's problem is he shoots too much from low percentage areas instead of driving or posting more where he'd get more calls. He's not going to get foul calls chucking it up from 20 feet out every offensive possession.

He is a great offensive talent but I don't think you win if he's the best player on your team. He needs to play with a setup PG to get him the ball in good positions (instead of 10 seconds of him dribbling before gunning it from wherever he is) and a shot blocker to cover up his defensive weakness (like say Tyson Chandler).

Maybe he'll get all that in LA next year.
 
2013-11-22 11:13:02 AM

js34603: Maybe he'll get all that in LA next year.


He will be a Knickerbocker next season I think
 
2013-11-22 11:18:23 AM

Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat


The NHL would like a word with you when it comes to completely biased leagues.
 
2013-11-22 11:19:22 AM

Gunny Highway: DoBeDoBeDo: NBA the superstar touches the ball on almost every possession in the game and might get 12-15 calls go his way. That could be a 20-30 point swing right there.

All shooting fouls? Wow.


Not necessarily, but even non shooting fouls give them a fresh shot clock, and put the other teams players deeper into foul problems.  Guy with 3 fouls in the first half isn't going play D as hard, etc.
 
2013-11-22 11:28:07 AM
Maybe because he isn't a superstar.
 
2013-11-22 11:31:18 AM

zombiegoat: In a nutshell, this is why I rarely watch the NBA.  The officiating is atrocious; the very idea that "certain players get certain calls" sort of makes it a rigged game to start with.  At least in baseball, a strike is a strike is a strike (from umpire's perspective to umpire's perspective, granted, but at least it's consistent).  I have seen Dwayne Wade do things on the court that should have fouled him out in the first half, but he's standing at the free throw line again with only one mark against him with two minutes to go in the game.

"Superstar calls."  Walking, talking Jesus.  Have some integrity.

/you're free to get off my lawn at any point


I take it you never watched Maddux, Clemens or Ryan in their prime
 
2013-11-22 11:48:57 AM
 
2013-11-22 11:53:33 AM

Gunny Highway: js34603: Maybe he'll get all that in LA next year.

He will be a Knickerbocker next season I think


I heard he's going to Miami.
 
2013-11-22 11:59:50 AM

Warlordtrooper: Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat

The NHL would like a word with you when it comes to completely biased leagues.


Yeah, I knew Boston was going to win the Stanley Cup after the Boston Marathon bombing
 
2013-11-22 12:12:12 PM

Raging Whore Moans: Warlordtrooper: Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat

The NHL would like a word with you when it comes to completely biased leagues.

Yeah, I knew Boston was going to win the Stanley Cup after the Boston Marathon bombing


One question.

2005 NBA Finals?
 
2013-11-22 12:36:30 PM

Harry_Seldon: Raging Whore Moans: You know, for all of the screaming by terrible sports fans about how their league is rigged against their particular player/team/market, the NBA seems to be the most likely to actually be fixed.
But I don't really watch it much, so whatever. College fundamentals and hockey and all that shiat

I have season tickets to the Portland Trailblazers


so can you tell me about the games since they are blacked out ?

/fark you comcast - fark you long & hard
 
2013-11-22 01:08:53 PM
js34603:
I don't think all the Knicks' problems are his fault, their biggest problem is without Chandler they're awful on defense. I do think Melo's problem is he shoots too much from low percentage areas instead of driving or posting more where he'd get more calls. He's not going to get foul calls chucking it up from 20 feet out every offensive possession.

He is a great offensive talent but I don't think you win if he's the best player on your team. He needs to play with a setup PG to get him the ball in good positions (instead of 10 seconds of him dribbling before gunning it from wherever he is) and a shot blocker to cover up his defensive weakness (like say Tyson Chandler).



There is no one better at hitting stupid shots than Carmelo. I've seen him go right into a triple team and hit a 16 footer with 3 defensive players in his face. The problem is he shouldn't be taking those shots. The other problem is the Knicks' secondary scorer J.R. Smith, makes 'Melo look like a shot selection genius.

The Knicks live and die by 'Melo's shooting. If he's hot, the Knicks can beat anybody on any given night. But that isn't enough to beat a good team over a 7 game playoff series. Anthony's shot at a championship will come when he is past his prime and is a 3rd scoring option.
 
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