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(Miami Herald)   Man stopped and questioned by police 258 times in four years, searched more than 100 times, and arrested 62 times for trespassing. His crime? Showing up at work and clocking in when scheduled   (miamiherald.com) divider line 226
    More: Florida, Miami Gardens, Howard Simon, drug-related crime, state crime, U.S. Department of Justice, resisting arrest  
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2013-11-21 08:00:29 PM
maybe he just has an AWESOME public defender
 
2013-11-21 08:08:19 PM
If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch
 
2013-11-21 08:09:26 PM
It's Florida. The cops aren't racist, they are really really, really, f*cking "I'm gonna invest all my money in gold" stupid.
 
2013-11-21 08:16:31 PM

cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch


"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.
 
2013-11-21 08:20:16 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.


Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?
 
2013-11-21 08:20:24 PM
What the hell?
 
2013-11-21 08:27:37 PM
FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.
 
2013-11-21 08:31:59 PM

cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


You're better than that cman.
 
2013-11-21 08:32:17 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.
 
2013-11-21 08:34:31 PM

serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.


That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.
 
2013-11-21 08:51:19 PM
258 isolated incidents.
 
2013-11-21 08:53:28 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?

You're better than that cman.


...you taking what I am saying seriously?

Please don't
 
2013-11-21 08:55:48 PM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?

You're better than that cman.

...you taking what I am saying seriously?

Please don't


I don't know, man...

/I think that one swallowed the hook
 
2013-11-21 08:56:31 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.


Plot twist!

Now I don't know what I think.
 
2013-11-21 09:09:20 PM
See?  The system works.
 
2013-11-21 09:09:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?

You're better than that cman.

...you taking what I am saying seriously?

Please don't

I don't know, man...

/I think that one swallowed the hook


I admit it is difficult to transmit emotion through the Internet.

If I was in the same room as Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich I think my mannerisms would have told him that I was being facetious.
 
2013-11-21 09:30:03 PM
The videos show, among other things, cops stopping citizens, questioning them, aggressively searching them and arresting them for trespassing when they have permission to be on the premises; officers conducting searches of Saleh's business without search warrants or permission; using what appears to be excessive force on subjects who are clearly not resisting arrest and filing inaccurate police reports in connection with the arrests.

Other countries hate you for your freedoms.
 
2013-11-21 09:44:09 PM
The store is a small business owned by someone "of Palestinian descent".

"For 17 years, Saleh has owned 207 Quickstop. Saleh has come to know his customers by their first names, and even by their nicknames. He has watched some of them grow from toddlers into young men. He feels for them when loved ones die, and has celebrated with them when their babies were born."

Here is an example of a plan to create a frisk-friendly zone for LEO's at high-traffic businesses in poor neighborhoods.  The businesses sign on to have undesirables arrested for trespassing and removed.  Good for rounding up the homeless, easier to keep the restrooms clean that way.

"About three years ago, Saleh said police asked him to participate in what they called a "zero-tolerance" program to reduce crime. He gladly signed up, not realizing at the time how much it would impact his business and customers. Under the program, Miami Gardens police are given broad powers to stop and arrest people who appear to be loitering or trespassing at the participating business."

He later quit the program.
 
2013-11-21 09:57:12 PM
He works as a clerk at the Quickstop.

 He wan't even supposed to be here today.
 
2013-11-21 10:16:33 PM
I'm just wondering if the 2 stoners that hang out out front have also been cited for loitering.

photos.wikimapia.org
 
2013-11-21 10:42:16 PM
Came for Clerks, leaving entertained but overall not feeling fulfilled.
 
2013-11-21 10:42:27 PM
"clocking in when scheduled..."

Well, you can rule out union workers.
 
2013-11-21 10:42:34 PM
Some cops are about get a long paid holiday vacation to think about all the bad things they got caught doing
 
2013-11-21 10:42:42 PM
Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.
 
2013-11-21 10:43:14 PM
I was ready to be all "he probably is a dick."

But this sucks. I hope that the lawsuit fairy grants him a wish.

Let the guy go to work, FFS.
 
2013-11-21 10:44:34 PM
Honestly, when it's gotten to the point that once a week the police come in and arrest your employee and remove him, that starts getting funny to me. If you put a slide whistle over the cops yanking this guy out of the store every time it happened, you could post that shiat to America's Funniest Home Videos.

"Hey Earl, after you take the trash out, can you mop?"
BWEEEEE-OOOOOP!
"Dude, Earl got arrested on his way to the mop. Should I do it or you figure they'll nab me too?"
 
2013-11-21 10:48:39 PM
If a guy named Drago says you've gone too far, it's probably time to rethink your use of force.
 
2013-11-21 10:48:53 PM
One video, recorded on June 26, 2012, shows Sampson, clearly stocking coolers, being interrupted by MGPD Sgt. William Dunaske, who orders him to put his hands behind his back, and then handcuffs him, leads him out of the store and takes him to jail for trespassing.

Wow, that's pretty bad, even by corrupt cop standards.
 
2013-11-21 10:50:12 PM
What's everyone talking about? According to the Supreme Court we live in a post-racist society.
 
2013-11-21 10:51:26 PM
See guys, its the 99.8% of cops that abuse their powers that make the 0.2% look bad.
 
2013-11-21 10:51:30 PM
The one I tried submitting said it was already submitted 4 minutes ago.

Does Fark count the last one submitted? because this was obviously getting comments more than 4 minutes ago.

anywho...... just wait until Miami Gradens gets their MRAP and quad .50s.
 
2013-11-21 10:52:10 PM
There's a place that sells and rents VHS tapes next door. This story has to be BS.
 
2013-11-21 10:53:24 PM
And this is why I would never live in Florida.
 
2013-11-21 10:54:18 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.


The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front
 
2013-11-21 10:55:46 PM
Oh good old Miami Gardens, my hometown.

An MGPD almost backed into my car in a parking lot a couple years ago. Mofo
 
2013-11-21 10:56:17 PM
classroom or convience store - zero tolerance = zero intellegence
 
2013-11-21 10:56:35 PM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.
 
2013-11-21 10:57:38 PM
*Intelligence
 
2013-11-21 10:58:33 PM

cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch


Well played, Good Sir, well played.
 
2013-11-21 10:59:24 PM
I really do wonder what would happen if a state required a psychological exam every five years for police, specifically looking for things like aggressive personality disorder and other hyper-alpha male traits, then permanently revoking their certificate to be a peace officer if they fail?

A few people from high school who I know to have gone on to be police officers were the sort of people I least wanted to see with a badge and gun.
 
2013-11-21 10:59:34 PM
Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.
 
2013-11-21 11:00:18 PM

vicioushobbit: Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.


Nobody could get a judge to approve a warrant for a search or wiretaps in that whole time?

Well I doubt police acting like this would secure a warrant but you get the idea.
 
2013-11-21 11:01:40 PM

phrawgh: Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.


I think he does have something to worry about.  He could get fired for leaving his job without permission, if the cops lead him away in handcuffs.  Plus, you know, the whole "if they're invading the store and arresting him on trumped up charges, who's to say they won't plant something on him, too, just for funzies?" thing.

(I'm choosing to believe you aren't a troll until proven otherwise.)
 
2013-11-21 11:02:58 PM

Giltric: vicioushobbit: Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.

Nobody could get a judge to approve a warrant for a search or wiretaps in that whole time?

Well I doubt police acting like this would secure a warrant but you get the idea.


My point is that it doesn't matter if he's a drug front, because he's obviously not being investigated.  So why bother trying to defame the owner when the cops are obviously at fault?
 
2013-11-21 11:04:27 PM

PanicMan: And this is why I would never live in Florida.


The Seattle PD was recently hit by a lawsuit by the DOJ over civil rights violations.  You can't get much more progressive than Seattle, and it still happened.

/grew up listening to Sir Mix-A-Lot biatch about the SPD
//the civil rights violations weren't anything new
 
2013-11-21 11:05:52 PM

vicioushobbit: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.


Well they are cops so what did you expect

It has to be something more even the most corrupt cops would have given up by now.
 
2013-11-21 11:06:44 PM
Idea: Employer can issue him a company ID. But good for the boss for treating his unskilled worker like a person, not a problem.
 
2013-11-21 11:06:53 PM
Its quotas and padding. The cops have quotas. They know who to shake down. People that will have a minor offense. Weed, expired license minor things. And people that are poor and un educated. People that dont really know there rights. With more arrests. Means more money means more federal funding. More federal spending. As usual it only has to do with money.
I hope they win a major lawsuit. Its just like the guys in Texas. The ones that pull over and conduct illegal seizures of property.
 
2013-11-21 11:06:57 PM

vicioushobbit: So why bother trying to defame the owner when the cops are obviously at fault?


Saleh is obviously Czechoslovakian interior decorator freelancing for AQ
 
2013-11-21 11:07:33 PM
phrawgh (favorite: troll) : Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.

2/10

Your hook is dull tonight.  You're being too obvious.  Be a little more subtle next time.
 
2013-11-21 11:07:41 PM

phrawgh: These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job


Oh please, a roofer has a more dangerous job than a cop, look it up. And a roofer doesn't get to shoot people with impunity.
 
2013-11-21 11:07:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.


Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?
 
2013-11-21 11:08:31 PM

Giltric: vicioushobbit: So why bother trying to defame the owner when the cops are obviously at fault?

Saleh is obviously Czechoslovakian interior decorator freelancing for AQ


You know, now that I study it out, you're right.  It was so obvious.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Idea: Employer can issue him a company ID. But good for the boss for treating his unskilled worker like a person, not a problem.


Yeah, I really don't think they'd care about his company ID.  Except, now that he's suing them and they know they're on camera, it won't be a point anyway.
 
2013-11-21 11:10:39 PM
The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.
 
2013-11-21 11:10:57 PM
FTA:

"Last year, Saleh, armed with a cache of videos, filed an internal affairs complaint about the arrests at his store. From that point, he said, police officers became even more aggressive.

One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood silently for a full 10 minutes. Then they all marched out."

WTF?

Your tax dollars at work, America. Guess they were taking Jack's advice:

"Go shake down a 7-11 for a day-old wiener"
 
2013-11-21 11:11:30 PM

vicioushobbit: You know, now that I study it out, you're right. It was so obvious.


Surprising. It's not that obscure.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4OakqPbUj0 NSFW
 
2013-11-21 11:12:11 PM

kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.


You sure the cops won't be the one to cause it?
 
2013-11-21 11:13:35 PM

EJ25T: Your tax dollars at work, America


Ha! Just wait until the civil suits.
 
2013-11-21 11:15:28 PM
"Despite his long rap sheet, Sampson, 28, has never been convicted of anything more serious than possession of marijuana."

Is that "rap sheet" include all his bullshiat arrest which means he doesn't actually have a rap sheet.
 
2013-11-21 11:15:40 PM
fark the police.
 
2013-11-21 11:15:50 PM

whatshisname: There's a place that sells and rents VHS tapes next door. This story has to be BS.


Where else are you going to get your sweded movies?
 
2013-11-21 11:16:32 PM
this was predicted almost 22 years ago


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzT-uMS604
 
2013-11-21 11:16:51 PM

Peki: kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.

You sure the cops won't be the one to cause it?


I was thinking that. One of the other problems is the police have lousy leadership. At all levels. But really in the end. It all has to do with money. They coment on the broken window idea. If your city has alot of broken windows. The feds will help you fix them all. As usual its all money. I wonder how many armored vehicles they got from the feds?
 
2013-11-21 11:18:06 PM
I think if I was stopped an questioned by the police, well lets say more than 2 times in a year, for no good reason...I might get a little pissed off. 258 times in a year is unbelievable.

/Makes you wonder if that town has a doughnut shop
 
2013-11-21 11:20:11 PM
the cops sound like real standup guys
 
2013-11-21 11:21:29 PM

borg: "Despite his long rap sheet, Sampson, 28, has never been convicted of anything more serious than possession of marijuana."

Is that "rap sheet" include all his bullshiat arrest which means he doesn't actually have a rap sheet.


Yeah, but the arrests show up on a background check, even if there is no conviction. What do you think the chances are of this guy ever getting a job better than gas station attendant?
 
2013-11-21 11:23:57 PM
We have finally seen StopArrestingMe in the flesh!
 
2013-11-21 11:24:03 PM
I'd LOVE to see a big payout on this. Police fear a cut in funds and a cut in funds comes from city because of lawyers.
 
2013-11-21 11:24:43 PM
A story about cops being around too much and people reckon the reason it's never robbed is because it's a mafia front?

Maybe it's because cops are always around?
 
2013-11-21 11:25:22 PM
The police only act like this because someone lets them get away with it.  Bring in the feds to do an undercover sting on them.
 
2013-11-21 11:26:27 PM
This sounds like the store owner isn't paying a protection racket.  It's the only thing that makes sense.  Racists cops doesn't even make sense as there are plenty of black people in Miami they could hassle if that's their deal.
 
2013-11-21 11:27:47 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Here's the thing.  If you know all your customers you're less likely to get robbed.  Sounds like this guy has good relations with the surrounding community.  This has always been my motto when living in sketchy neighborhoods.  Get to know the guys pushing drugs on the corner.  They'll keep the assholes from breaking in to your car.
 
2013-11-21 11:28:03 PM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.
 
2013-11-21 11:28:59 PM

Giltric: EJ25T: Your tax dollars at work, America

Ha! Just wait until the civil suits.


funnycatwallpapers.com

The horror! If what is allegedly happening is actually happening, they deserve to get sued, fired, and prevented from holding any kind of law enforcement jobs in the future.

I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.
 
2013-11-21 11:29:01 PM
FTFA:  "There is just no justifying this kind of behavior,'' said Chuck Drago, a former police officer and consultant on police policy and the use of force. "Now...I must break you."
 
2013-11-21 11:29:03 PM

Hoopy Frood: Smeggy Smurf: Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.

Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?


Pigs are pigs.  It leads to being an evil motherfarker
 
2013-11-21 11:32:10 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Hoopy Frood: Smeggy Smurf: Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.

Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?

Pigs are pigs.  It leads to being an evil motherfarker


24.media.tumblr.com

/not a fan of Wesley Snipes
 
2013-11-21 11:35:07 PM

vicioushobbit: phrawgh: Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.

I think he does have something to worry about.  He could get fired for leaving his job without permission, if the cops lead him away in handcuffs.  Plus, you know, the whole "if they're invading the store and arresting him on trumped up charges, who's to say they won't plant something on him, too, just for funzies?" thing.

(I'm choosing to believe you aren't a troll until proven otherwise.)


Well, this is troll country.
 
2013-11-21 11:35:11 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Given how often the police are there, it sounds more like he's operating a police sub-station that happens to sell stuff.
 
2013-11-21 11:35:22 PM

lewismarktwo: A story about cops being around too much and people reckon the reason it's never robbed is because it's a mafia front?

Maybe it's because cops are always around?


Oh, that's way too obvious - our Fark Detectives(tm) are far more clever than that.
 
2013-11-21 11:36:25 PM

EJ25T: Smeggy Smurf: Hoopy Frood: Smeggy Smurf: Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.

Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?

Pigs are pigs.  It leads to being an evil motherfarker

[24.media.tumblr.com image 450x244]

/not a fan of Wesley Snipes


I dont think this has anything due to race. You have a police force that gets all there funding via federal and state funding. They know they can arrest certain people all the time. These people are un educated and just go thru the motions. And since no charges are filed, they ignore it. They are just happy they dont have to go to court. Again Im telling you. The cops have quotas. Maybe not official but they know if the numbers are down, Funding gets cut.
 
2013-11-21 11:36:29 PM
Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.
 
2013-11-21 11:39:51 PM

kombi: Its quotas and padding. The cops have quotas. They know who to shake down. People that will have a minor offense. Weed, expired license minor things. And people that are poor and un educated. People that dont really know there rights. With more arrests. Means more money means more federal funding. More federal spending. As usual it only has to do with money.
I hope they win a major lawsuit. Its just like the guys in Texas. The ones that pull over and conduct illegal seizures of property.


TFA says the murder rate is way up and they've got pressure from above to arrest as many people as possible under the guise of 'bringing the crime rate down'.

So in order to arrest that many people, and to justify their tuff on crime squad, they basically need to fan out from police HQ and each have each officer arrest the first person they see at random, creating a 1:1 ratio of officers:arrestees, since that's apparently what they believe the program requires, thus creating a 'dead zone' of several blocks around each police station where everyone in sight is arrested and brought back to the station to have charges dropped, and where everyone is afraid to go because they know if they go anywhere near the police station, they'll immediately be arrested.

This isn't racism in the strictest sense of the word; more like an anthill where the ants go out, grab whatever plant-life is lying around, and drag it back to the nest, leaving an ever-growing sand mound 'dead zone around' each ant colony.
 
2013-11-21 11:41:43 PM

kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.


"We cudda been friends, too bad. Nice store you got, there."
 
2013-11-21 11:42:09 PM

cman: If I was in the same room as Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich I think my mannerisms would have told him that I was being facetious.


Damn, sometimes it's hard to tell with you. I took that hook line and sinker.

/hangs head in shame.
 
2013-11-21 11:46:49 PM
Live lapel cameras for all officers, protected from tampering, is very much overdue.

The tech. is here now. We just need the political will to implement it nationwide.
 
2013-11-21 11:47:37 PM
I'm still burning about an invalid parking ticket that was put on my car 8 years ago.  Took a day off work because I had to physically contest the thing...

If I was falsely arrested by police over 10 times PER YEAR?  Jesus Christ...  There would certainly be a reason to arrest me after that, and it wouldn't be for trespassing.
 
2013-11-21 11:48:42 PM

Prophet of Loss: Live lapel cameras for all officers, protected from tampering, is very much overdue.

The tech. is here now. We just need the political will to implement it nationwide.


Ya. I live in a small city. But all the police have cams. Almost all the police in my state have them. It should now be required.
 
2013-11-21 11:48:57 PM
Suspend these farkers with pay and full benefits for 6 months. That will teach them
 
2013-11-21 11:51:02 PM

kombi: Prophet of Loss: Live lapel cameras for all officers, protected from tampering, is very much overdue.

The tech. is here now. We just need the political will to implement it nationwide.

Ya. I live in a small city. But all the police have cams. Almost all the police in my state have them. It should now be required.


Wait until they won't release the video, can't find it, have a dash-cam malfunction, accidentally crush the car...
 
2013-11-21 11:51:03 PM
So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?
 
2013-11-21 11:51:50 PM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.

Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


Three felonies a day.
 
2013-11-21 11:51:52 PM
"Nobody can justify overstepping the constitution to fight crime."

images.politico.com

Hai guyz, what's going on in this thread?
 
2013-11-21 11:53:05 PM
I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.
 
2013-11-21 11:53:09 PM

kim jong-un: I'm still burning about an invalid parking ticket that was put on my car 8 years ago.  Took a day off work because I had to physically contest the thing...

If I was falsely arrested by police over 10 times PER YEAR?  Jesus Christ...  There would certainly be a reason to arrest me after that, and it wouldn't be for trespassing.


Wel its like the last ticket I got. By the station. Just during shift change. Asked another cop about it and he told me dont go out at certain times. And dont go to this area. We have quotas (Quotas are legal where I live) and they ticket everyone in sight. Went to fight it. And in the state I live in. Its a full jury trile. For a stupid ticket. Just paid. I know its a shake down.  There needs to be some type of lawsuit to block state and federal funding for local police departments. Thats where alot of this crazy crap comes from.
 
2013-11-21 11:54:21 PM

VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?


The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.
 
2013-11-21 11:54:54 PM

Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.


My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.
 
2013-11-21 11:55:53 PM
I don't think the cops are racist.  I do believe they hate anyone who is not a cop and see our Constitution as only a mild suggestion.

When a police force is this corrupt, it's a failure of leadership.  The only option is to fire everyone, including the police chief, and rebuild from the ground up.  Unfortunately, the likely outcome is a couple of weeks of paid administrative leave and further harassment of the store owner, the employees, and the customers.  He'll be out of business within a year. Probably much sooner.
 
2013-11-21 11:55:53 PM

kombi: EJ25T: Smeggy Smurf: Hoopy Frood: Smeggy Smurf: Now THIS is racism in action.  Not merely saying that skin color means nothing to do with your ability to not be poor any longer than anybody else.  Learn this you asshole racists that believe skin color matters.

Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?

Pigs are pigs.  It leads to being an evil motherfarker

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/not a fan of Wesley Snipes

I dont think this has anything due to race. You have a police force that gets all there funding via federal and state funding. They know they can arrest certain people all the time. These people are un educated and just go thru the motions. And since no charges are filed, they ignore it. They are just happy they dont have to go to court. Again Im telling you. The cops have quotas. Maybe not official but they know if the numbers are down, Funding gets cut.


That comment was directed more toward the person you replied to.

At the very least, these officers seem to have a lot of free time on their hands. Maybe that's a reason for funding cuts right there. Or if they're ignoring legitimate crimes to carry out a personal vendetta (very hard to disprove), there's another reason to cut funding.
 
2013-11-21 11:58:09 PM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


Depends on the state. Some state servers can not serve alcohol until they are 21. Some they can. Same with sales.
 
2013-11-21 11:58:33 PM
About three years ago, Saleh said police asked him to participate in what they called a "zero-tolerance" program to reduce crime. He gladly signed up, not realizing at the time how much it would impact his business and customers. Under the program, Miami Gardens police are given broad powers to stop and arrest people who appear to be loitering or trespassing at the participating business.

Looks like he got what he asked for.
 
2013-11-22 12:00:08 AM

tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.


The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people
 
2013-11-22 12:02:34 AM
If you are widely hated, reviled, feared and despised and you have you draw the wagons of your fellow hated, reviled, feared and despised colleagues into a circle every day because "Everybody is wrong but us", maybe it ain't everybody else.
 
2013-11-22 12:03:06 AM

VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?


Don't slow down in Miami Gardens or you'll die.
 
2013-11-22 12:03:37 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power
 
2013-11-22 12:06:26 AM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-11-22 12:06:33 AM

lewismarktwo: War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power


Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges... pretty much all in the same business.  Same gang.  Same mission.  Same methods.
 
2013-11-22 12:11:51 AM
Good cops get to know the regulars and employees. These guys are obviously living in an "us vs them" headspace. They will only make the locals loath to go to the police with problems.
 
2013-11-22 12:12:26 AM

bunner: lewismarktwo: War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power

Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges... pretty much all in the same business.  Same gang.  Same mission.  Same methods.


In the grand scheme of things it pays to belong to some organization with muscle if you want more than just the illusion of control.
 
2013-11-22 12:13:46 AM

bunner: Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges...


... dweebies, dickheads, they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
 
2013-11-22 12:14:32 AM
Somewhere between the indie liquor store in the ghetto never being robbed... and the cops disdain for the owner... there's something weird going on here.

/cops are still a-holes though
 
2013-11-22 12:15:33 AM

Abox: In the grand scheme of things it pays to belong to some organization with muscle if you want more than just the illusion of control.


Law has always been drafted with the loftiest goals and it always ends up being whatever the people with the most gold and weapons say it is.
 
2013-11-22 12:16:49 AM

EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.


Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....
 
2013-11-22 12:27:49 AM

EJ25T: tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.

The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people


I'm in the west coast.
 
2013-11-22 12:30:09 AM

Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....


That's... creative. I respect the passion of your argument, but if you want to affect real change, hitting them where it hurts is the better strategy. "Where it Hurts" is making the entire department accountable from the top down.
Every time a line-item request or tax increase comes up for the next dozen or so years, people will remember.
This is all assuming that the alleged activities actually took place, of course.
 
2013-11-22 12:32:56 AM

VivianVivisect: EJ25T: tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.

The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people

I'm in the west coast.


Miami Gardens is basically a Haitian refugee camp, only not as nice.
 
2013-11-22 12:38:46 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.
 
2013-11-22 12:51:47 AM
I am generally against "civil rights lawsuits" because let's face it, a lot of them (not all mind you) are just a way to get some free cash when you farked up. However, if this is true, this is not only a violation of these people's rights but definitely should be a criminal case of harassment against the cop or cops that are doing this. 

Good luck to the victims of this kind of bullshiat.
 
2013-11-22 12:55:26 AM

BafflerMeal: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 850x508]


whitneym49.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-22 01:01:36 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood silently for a full 10 minutes. Then they all marched out.
 
2013-11-22 01:08:40 AM

Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....


So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?
 
2013-11-22 01:10:04 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


Forget it, Jake Jim, it's Chinatown South Florida.
 
2013-11-22 01:11:40 AM
As a rule I try not to give LEOs a hard time, but man these porcine jerks need to be in jail not on the street with a badge and pistol.
 
2013-11-22 01:11:48 AM

vicioushobbit: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.


Remember, these are Florida cops. To stupid to learn a trade or go into a profession, and not good enough at football to make the pros. Basically high school bullies who never grew up.
 
2013-11-22 01:13:46 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood sil ...


Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:32 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


1.  Wholesalers don't card

2. He may have been a part owner before he was of age.

3.  Liquor stores in bad neighborhoods have been known to conduct business not in the according-to-Hoyle manner.

Also:

It may be diffrent in other states

Ya farkin think?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:51 AM

BSABSVR: Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....

So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?


Huh?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:59 AM

Dinjiin: I really do wonder what would happen if a state required a psychological exam every five years for police, specifically looking for things like aggressive personality disorder and other hyper-alpha male traits, then permanently revoking their certificate to be a peace officer if they fail?

A few people from high school who I know to have gone on to be police officers were the sort of people I least wanted to see with a badge and gun.


I have worked with LEOs in several places, mostly dash cam and body mic setup this system should be required for every police department.
 
2013-11-22 01:18:20 AM

Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and fi ...


Seems like hes saying that since the police have been making their presence known around his store that nobody has had the balls to try to rob him.

The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.
 
2013-11-22 01:19:08 AM

Bandito King: Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?


And apparently if it targets people who own things at an arbitrarily unacceptable age.
 
2013-11-22 01:21:31 AM
"phrawgh (favorite: troll) : Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.

2/10

Your hook is dull tonight. You're being too obvious. Be a little more subtle next time."


Look, lets face facts. Anyone can catch me with drugs - I have Ibuprofen in my pocket all the time. Number two, No quality trolling occurred here.Number 5, no one cares.
 
2013-11-22 01:22:18 AM
Is it a police state yet?
 
2013-11-22 01:23:51 AM

Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.


Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."
 
2013-11-22 01:25:06 AM
Its Florida. The same state that has arrested people for filling there own prescriptions.
 
2013-11-22 01:25:09 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


Pretty much this. Also if you lived in a moderate sized town or small city large enough to have a force but small enough to have personal accountability.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again: Being a cop does something to one's head. The nicest, most socially-aware person can be turned into a sadistic, arrogant thug when the uniform goes on, as the Stanford Prison Experiment proved quite handily; and then there's my own anecdotal experience. My mom tells me my own father, certainly as un-vicious and un-crazed a person as you could find, became someone totally different the five years he was a L.A. deputy sheriff.

I truly believe things have gotten WORSE over time; but it's something about the job that needs serious scrutiny and constant evaluation and adjustments to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
 
2013-11-22 01:26:34 AM

Giltric: BSABSVR: Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....

So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?

Huh?


Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all?  You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC.  You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.
 
2013-11-22 01:27:37 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."


It's 1:30. What do you expect?
 
2013-11-22 01:28:41 AM

BSABSVR: Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all? You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC. You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.


No.

Got a cite?
 
2013-11-22 01:29:31 AM

Giltric: Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."

It's 1:30. What do you expect?


Well he may also be close to the police station. Maybe he is just lucky. But that does not mean what the police are doing is right.
 
2013-11-22 01:30:32 AM
Sign here if you think this article represents all of the germane facts to this case and does not have some agenda up it's sleeve.
 
2013-11-22 01:35:21 AM

Giltric: Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."

It's 1:30. What do you expect?


Free entertainment.

/Thanks
 
2013-11-22 01:36:22 AM
After a news report like this, I hope some well-meaning citizens post up at the store to act as future witnesses, and to show support for the staff.
Unbelievable.
 
2013-11-22 01:41:36 AM
This wouldn't happen if you just gave them free coffee like everyone else, geez.
 
2013-11-22 01:43:13 AM
Maybe the cops own an easement in front of his door.
 
2013-11-22 01:48:35 AM
It's amusing, watching the number of people try to hate on cops while also trying to figure out how a convenience store might have existed without being robbed for all this time.

If you were this store owner and lived in this area, would YOU tell THOSE cops if your store had gotten robbed? Cuz I never would.
 
2013-11-22 01:50:56 AM
Holy crap, that's unbelievable.
 
2013-11-22 01:51:03 AM

Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood sil ...

Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?


No, I'm not suggesting the harassment campaign is right. But my thesis is that convenience store guy isn't telling the whole truth either.
 
2013-11-22 01:52:34 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


Maybe he had employees over 21 deal with the beer. Or maybe he just didn't sell beer for the first two years he owned the business. I mean, it's only been over a decade.
 
2013-11-22 01:54:56 AM

Giltric: Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and fi ...

Seems like hes saying that since the police have been making their presence known around his store that nobody has had the balls to try to rob him.

The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.


Do you know what the word "never" means? As in, "never been robbed?" Sheesh, what a moran!
 
2013-11-22 01:58:40 AM

OnlyM3: Is it a police state yet?


Not yet

We're still nowhere close to what Britain does
 
2013-11-22 02:06:15 AM
Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.
 
2013-11-22 02:09:08 AM

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


Simple: they have a badge and they don't care
 
2013-11-22 02:20:47 AM
"Saleh, a native of Venezuela who is of Palestinian descent"

I think I found the problem, guys.
 
2013-11-22 02:40:00 AM

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


Cops can charge you with anything for any reason. They don't need evidence, they don't need to back it up, and you don't get to appeal to them with a lawyer.

Of course, usually, there's consequences when the cops' accusations are wrong, but not always. There's a reason the armed insurrections happen in Appalachia usually start with killing the local cop.
 
2013-11-22 02:49:08 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


A corporation doesn't have to be 21 to own beer, the guy that makes the delivery is selling to the corporation, not the individual.  Most states allow 18 year olds to sell alcohol.

And you'd have to be insane to own a convenience store as a sole proprietorship, so it's almost certainly a corporation.
 
2013-11-22 03:43:49 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


I'll assume then that you didn't live in Texas in the '70s. Except for the steroids, perhaps, there have always been cops fitting that description.
 
2013-11-22 03:47:05 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Somewhere between the indie liquor store in the ghetto never being robbed... and the cops disdain for the owner... there's something weird going on here.

/cops are still a-holes though


The whole story seems weird, though the only motivation I see from the cops is that they are being vindictive douchebags. At some point they ought to let it go.
 
2013-11-22 03:49:50 AM
It's a force of real life Constable Savages.
 
2013-11-22 03:52:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


If they were always there chasing customers out, how does his business stay open?

If the street knows cops hate him because they so often harrass his store, all the more reason he should be getting robbed the minute they leave. The cops being the dirty pigs everyone says they are would obviously let him get robbed and do little beyond taking a statement.


There is enough meat in this story to chew on without shutting our brains off and switching to mindless hyperbolic conclusions.
 
2013-11-22 03:53:44 AM

Hoopy Frood: Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?


It could be a interpersonal dispute - the chief, or somebody else in a position of power in/over the department doesn't like the store or it's owner.

But believe it or not, even black officers often end up pushing racially discriminatory policies against other blacks.  That's before you get into 'hit the poor people' type economic discrimination.

cardex: My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


Liquer laws have changed over time.  Sometimes more strict, sometimes easier.  I figure that there's options like 'didn't sell beer then', had an older employee handle it, had a partner at the time(like his father, maybe?), etc...

Plus, well, when it comes to distribution, if you're sophisticated enough to own your own booze store you're not the target demographic for stopping possession.

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


You know, this sounds like a four box solution...
 
2013-11-22 04:00:49 AM

doglover: Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.

Cops can charge you with anything for any reason. They don't need evidence, they don't need to back it up, and you don't get to appeal to them with a lawyer.

Of course, usually, there's consequences when the cops' accusations are wrong, but not always. There's a reason the armed insurrections happen in Appalachia usually start with killing the local cop.


Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.

Not saying the cops aren't doing it, but at a certain point this will all blow up in the county's face in a giant lawsuit if there is no P.C. to arrest in so many cases in this location.
 
2013-11-22 04:05:18 AM

Smackledorfer: Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.


All court stuff. All after the fact.

The cops themselves obey only the laws of physics and their own personal judgement, which I'm sad to say is not always very good. Get names, get witnesses, get video. But don't think the bill of rights protects you more than any other sheet of paper before you make it to a courtroom.
 
2013-11-22 04:08:10 AM

doglover: Smackledorfer: Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.

All court stuff. All after the fact.

The cops themselves obey only the laws of physics and their own personal judgement, which I'm sad to say is not always very good. Get names, get witnesses, get video. But don't think the bill of rights protects you more than any other sheet of paper before you make it to a courtroom.


Yes.
 
2013-11-22 04:09:07 AM

cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch


Y'know, cman, sometimes I come into a thread, and you've said something Smart AND Funny.

That makes me wand a 3rd button labelled Dumb
 
2013-11-22 04:12:23 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I took that hook line and sinker.

/hangs head in shame.


Ah...

/ditto.
 
2013-11-22 04:17:14 AM
Fark logic:

1. We hate cops, so they can't possibly be right here
2. But everyone knows convenience stores get robbed 24/7, so the owner can't be right here
3. Cops would never just pick on somebody for "no reason", so the owner can't be right here
4. But cops always pick on people for no reason, so the cops can't be right here
5. The guy was 19 when he opened (or bought) the store so how can he be selling liquor? That can't be right?
6. But the police chief is black, why would be be targeting black people? That can't be right?

I'M SO CONFUSED IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME!!!!

Look, people, it's very simple. Cops are not black or white, they are blue. So yeah, a BLACK police chief and his BLACK (and white/Hispanic) officers would have no trouble at all targeting BLACK citizens...especially if they work for an Ayrab running a liquor store in Floriduh. And there may well be some personal animosity going on here--the store owner may have refused to give the cops coffee and donuts for free or something--who knows?

Second, the store owner is very obviously hiring local minorities and letting them hang out around his store without freaking out and calling the cops because "there is a black man in my store!" He may very well not have been robbed, at least not so severely he felt the need to report it. Small-town stores don't get robbed by locals when the owner is cool and hires the relatives of the local junkies. The employees tend to keep their relatives in line. And you can easily OWN a store that sells booze if you're underage--you just can't actually SELL it. But if an older employee does the selling, and the license is in an older person's name, it's no big deal. Given that the owner is Palestinian-Argentinan, I'm guessing the store is owned by his family.

And if you bothered to read the whole article carefully--the owner began participation in a community-oriented policing program that allowed them (the cops) to come in to area businesses and round up whoever they felt was a risk--namely, those same employees who are relatives of the local criminals. One reason why "broken windows theory" requires a close working relationship between cops and the community BEFORE they start rounding up the undesireable elements, as the guy in the article pointed out, and which the Miami Grove PD kind of forgot to do before they energetically started cleaning up the neighborhood. They kind of missed that part. The owner decided he didn't want to be part of it, and the harassment, er, cleaning up redoubled in his store.

So to sum up:

1. A convenience store might well not be robbed all the time.
2. Cops might well pick on people of color, even if they themselves are nominally black.
3. A younger Arab-American who calls himself 'the owner" is probably not the sole owner of a store.
4. Broken-windows theory only works when the community is involved.
 
2013-11-22 04:17:28 AM
Miami Gardens Police is running a mime theater.  To create the illusion of effective action without actual effect.

Sack the lot and replace them with llamas.
 
2013-11-22 04:48:10 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Well, in all fairness, with the police permanently parked outside arresting everyone who ventures onto the property, there shouldn't be any robberies.
 
2013-11-22 04:51:17 AM
Langdon_777: How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there?

Probably some kind of judicial order that prohibits him from being in the area would be my guess.

Policing in the ghetto is frustrating. These cops probably get calls all day saying there's drug dealing going on in front of that business. If they try to do something about it, they get criticized. If they don't do anything about it, they get criticized.

Been there.
 
2013-11-22 04:52:36 AM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


The cocaine-fueled orgies after his parents handed him the place for a graduation present must have been epic, but that's long since dried up by now.

/He probably stands to inherit the rest of their mini minimart empire when they die, too.
//Let the orgies recommence!
 
2013-11-22 05:06:39 AM
Those cops should be dead and their families should be grieving.
 
2013-11-22 05:12:43 AM

Smackledorfer: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If they were always there chasing customers out, how does his business stay open?

If the street knows cops hate him because they so often harrass his store, all the more reason he should be getting robbed the minute they leave. The cops being the dirty pigs everyone says they are would obviously let him get robbed and do little beyond taking a statement.


There is enough meat in this story to chew on without shutting our brains off and switching to mindless hyperbolic conclusions.


The cops didn't hate him until he complained about them driving off business. They used to just hate his neighborhood. They would happily prosecute anyone who robbed the store and then take the clerk in for trespassing ten minutes later. They hate the entire region and everyone in it.
 
2013-11-22 06:10:50 AM
The city's letterhead ...

Miami Gardens: the only city that can make Hialeah look classy

Chicharrones!
 
2013-11-22 06:14:27 AM
So there's really a few problems here.  First, cops coming up to talk to "suspicious"  people isn't necessarily bad in and of itself.  The cops in the small town I grew up in would pull me and 3 other guys over every time that they saw the four of us together in the same car after dark.  More times than not, we had beer and were drunk.  They would make us pour out our beer and take us to the closest person's house.

However, the problem comes in when you have given cops too much power, hold them up as heroes based solely on the number of arrests they make, and don't build in harsh repercussions for abusing the power they have been given.

Now add on top of that the incentive for prosecutors to over prosecute to get ensure that it is in the defendant's best interest to plea down rather than risk going to jail and you have yourself a farking mess.
 
2013-11-22 06:45:40 AM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.

Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


I know you're being sarcastic, but it's not working at all.
 
2013-11-22 06:56:22 AM

kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.


stores in bad neighbourhoods rarely get robbed. you don't shiat where you eat/sleep. criminals go to nicer neighbourhoods to do their robbing.
 
2013-11-22 07:11:35 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.


You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).
 
2013-11-22 07:15:19 AM

BafflerMeal:
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They misspelled enslave and punish.
 
2013-11-22 07:40:30 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


He hasn't been robbed because of the strong police presence.
 
2013-11-22 07:48:15 AM
I bet the problem would go away if the owner asked the chief to provide an off-duty officer to provide private security at the store.

The chief would "recommend" a suitable private company to hire the officers through, and the "correct" people would share the "extra work" and "administrative costs".
 
2013-11-22 08:11:25 AM
Maybe the cops just use that convenience store as the spot to get information on other crimes. Its the local hangout to get the dirt. just gotta shake some people down first to get them to talk.
 
2013-11-22 08:30:01 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Apparently the cops are always there. No time to rob it.
 
2013-11-22 09:02:06 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.

You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).


THIS, THIS THIS.

I have owned my home for the last 14 years in a neighborhood that is known in my city to be the "bad" part of town. Never once have I had any issues. As stated before, criminals don't shiat where they sleep. I'm nice with neighbors and at least cordial with the thugs. If they know you, they don't piss with ya.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:56 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery.
 
2013-11-22 09:18:24 AM

Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery.


Over 17 years? In Miami Gardens???
 
2013-11-22 09:19:56 AM

Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.


FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.
 
2013-11-22 09:41:15 AM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


There's no reason you can't successfully open a business at 19 if you have a little seed money. Especially one as dead easy as a convenience store. It's just that most teens aren't thinking that way unless their family are all small business owners.

Maybe his parents gave him a gift to set him up, or maybe one died and left him a small chunk.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:15 AM

serial_crusher: Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.

FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.


Your assumption, like mine, depends on robbers pulling the names of the stores out of a hat. Most are targeted because of the suspected amount of cash on hand, the ease of escape, and the lack of security measures.

Even so, Miami Gardens reported 351 robberies in 2010 and expects that number to be 327 this year. Statistically, convenience stores account for less than 9% of all robberies so generously say that they will have 30-35 convenience store robberies per year. Now based on web searches, the city has approximately 125 convenience stores. Again, some will be targeted repeatedly for the reasons outlined above. That still leaves a significant majority untouched.

Basically we can't know how unusual this guy's claim is without speaking with all 125 store owners. Odds are that there is at least a handful that can legitimately make the claim of zero robberies over an extended period of time.
 
2013-11-22 10:31:52 AM
serial_crusher:  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

They're about due for a robbery the same way that you're due to hit on those scratchers. Just keep on playing and you'll hit because you're due any time now.
 
2013-11-22 10:39:03 AM

DigitalCoffee: serial_crusher:  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

They're about due for a robbery the same way that you're due to hit on those scratchers. Just keep on playing and you'll hit because you're due any time now.


Yeah, all these suckers at my office are putting all that money in their 401Ks.  Only downside to my retirement plan is the company doesn't match my Powerball contributions.  The eventual payout will be totally worth it though.
 
2013-11-22 10:52:24 AM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.

Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


When did you become a Scientologist?
 
2013-11-22 11:01:19 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.

stores in bad neighbourhoods rarely get robbed. you don't shiat where you eat/sleep. criminals go to nicer neighbourhoods to do their robbing.


Not true from my time in pontiac and monroe county michigan. Have any stats to back it up?

Nobody left pontiac to knock over businesses in Rochester hills ten minutes away and a million times richer.
 
2013-11-22 11:08:08 AM

Les Comdien Masque: serial_crusher: Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.

FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

Your assumption, like mine, depends on robbers pulling the names of the stores out of a hat. Most are targeted because of the suspected amount of cash on hand, the ease of escape, and the lack of security measures.

Even so, Miami Gardens reported 351 robberies in 2010 and expects that number to be 327 this year. Statistically, convenience stores account for less than 9% of all robberies so generously say that they will have 30-35 convenience store robberies per year. Now based on web searches, the city has approximately 125 convenience stores. Again, some will be targeted repeatedly for the reasons outlined above. That still leaves a significant majority untouched.

Basically we can't know how unusual this guy's claim is without speaking with all 125 store owners. Odds are that there is at least a handful that can legitimately make the claim of zero robberies over an extended period of time.


Statistics aren't supporting your argument the way you think they are.

But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?
 
2013-11-22 11:23:43 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

There's no reason you can't successfully open a business at 19 if you have a little seed money. Especially one as dead easy as a convenience store. It's just that most teens aren't thinking that way unless their family are all small business owners.

Maybe his parents gave him a gift to set him up, or maybe one died and left him a small chunk.


Family probably pooled their money and sent him here to open the store so he could make money to send back to them.

At least that's what the Saleh type at the local 7-11 claims his family did for him and is common where he comes from.
 
2013-11-22 11:30:41 AM

listernine: See guys, its the 99.8% of cops that abuse their powers that make the 0.2% look bad.


this is why no one like the police
 
2013-11-22 11:36:07 AM
There's more going on than just the bad cops though... and DA or ADA should have talked to those cops a LONG time ago about why they can't do this... it took a whole lot more people complicit in these bad acts to make this policy possible, from the city council to the mayor to the DAs office... there's a whole lot of corruption going on to perpetuate this kind of ass-backwards behavior.
 
2013-11-22 11:38:53 AM

Giltric: BSABSVR: Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all? You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC. You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.

No.

Got a cite?


No cite yet?
 
2013-11-22 11:40:40 AM

Smackledorfer: But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?


I just figure if the cops are always there arresting everybody who goes near the store, the robbers will pick a different store to rob.
 
2013-11-22 11:42:29 AM

Smackledorfer: Statistics aren't supporting your argument the way you think they are.

But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?


Yeah, my goal wasn't to prove the store owner was telling the truth - just to point out that Mitch's incredulity isn't reason enough to believe he's lying either. That a convenience store can operate in Miami Gardens and never be the target of a robbery is not only possible but probable. But again, no way to gauge an accurate percentage without polling the owners so we're all just performing mental masturbation.

And regardless of reason (legitimate patrols or illegal harassment), the mere presence of the police at the location could be a deterrent to would-be robbers, i.e. protection of a sort.
 
2013-11-22 11:50:15 AM

serial_crusher: Smackledorfer: But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?

I just figure if the cops are always there arresting everybody who goes near the store, the robbers will pick a different store to rob.


Given the numbers, my guess is that they weren't there nearly enough.  I mean, the one big example of jackbooted harassment was five guys escorting the sixth to the shiatter for ten minutes and then leaving. Further, the allegation isn't harassment over the full 17 years of store ownership.


I think there is more to the story (though most likely not enough to defend that many arrests that never led to convictions and that much focus on the one store). Even if the owner is a mobster with connections and is up to no good, it is still retarded for the cops to just randomly throw whatever charges they can at people in the store.
 
Ehh
2013-11-22 11:50:16 AM

wax_on: Sounds like this guy has good relations with the surrounding community. This has always been my motto when living in sketchy neighborhoods. Get to know the guys pushing drugs on the corner. They'll keep the assholes from breaking in to your car.


Ever so much this. Be nice to the dealers. The assholes are their customers.
 
2013-11-22 12:12:27 PM

springplum: If a guy named Drago says you've gone too far, it's probably time to rethink your use of force.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-11-22 12:27:29 PM

CruiserTwelve: Langdon_777: How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there?

Probably some kind of judicial order that prohibits him from being in the area would be my guess.

Policing in the ghetto is frustrating. These cops probably get calls all day saying there's drug dealing going on in front of that business. If they try to do something about it, they get criticized. If they don't do anything about it, they get criticized.

Been there.


Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.
 
2013-11-22 12:30:28 PM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.


The Fourth Amendment hasn't been active for ages- Patriot Act and all the extensions and expansions signed into law have made it dormant.
 
2013-11-22 01:05:49 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.

You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).


Well put.
 
2013-11-22 02:27:57 PM

cman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?

You're better than that cman.

...you taking what I am saying seriously?

Please don't

I don't know, man...

/I think that one swallowed the hook

I admit it is difficult to transmit emotion through the Internet.

If I was in the same room as Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich I think my mannerisms would have told him that I was being facetious.


Everyone on the net has assburgers.
 
2013-11-22 02:37:22 PM
I wonder if Miami has a "One Call, That's All" kind of Shyster around.  This is going to be a big payday eventually.
 
2013-11-22 03:13:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: Fark logic:

1. We hate cops, so they can't possibly be right here
2. But everyone knows convenience stores get robbed 24/7, so the owner can't be right here
3. Cops would never just pick on somebody for "no reason", so the owner can't be right here
4. But cops always pick on people for no reason, so the cops can't be right here
5. The guy was 19 when he opened (or bought) the store so how can he be selling liquor? That can't be right?
6. But the police chief is black, why would be be targeting black people? That can't be right?

I'M SO CONFUSED IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME!!!!

Look, people, it's very simple. Cops are not black or white, they are blue. So yeah, a BLACK police chief and his BLACK (and white/Hispanic) officers would have no trouble at all targeting BLACK citizens...especially if they work for an Ayrab running a liquor store in Floriduh. And there may well be some personal animosity going on here--the store owner may have refused to give the cops coffee and donuts for free or something--who knows?

Second, the store owner is very obviously hiring local minorities and letting them hang out around his store without freaking out and calling the cops because "there is a black man in my store!" He may very well not have been robbed, at least not so severely he felt the need to report it. Small-town stores don't get robbed by locals when the owner is cool and hires the relatives of the local junkies. The employees tend to keep their relatives in line. And you can easily OWN a store that sells booze if you're underage--you just can't actually SELL it. But if an older employee does the selling, and the license is in an older person's name, it's no big deal. Given that the owner is Palestinian-Argentinan, I'm guessing the store is owned by his family.

And if you bothered to read the whole article carefully--the owner began participation in a community-oriented policing program that allowed them (the cops) to come in to area businesses and round up who ...


I often read your comments and wonder why you haven't been permanently banned for showing common sense on a regular basis.  Thank you...
 
2013-11-22 03:18:05 PM

China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.


You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."
 
2013-11-22 03:35:42 PM

Ehh: wax_on: Sounds like this guy has good relations with the surrounding community. This has always been my motto when living in sketchy neighborhoods. Get to know the guys pushing drugs on the corner. They'll keep the assholes from breaking in to your car.

Ever so much this. Be nice to the dealers. The assholes are their customers.


My niece lived in a sketchy neighborhood a few years back.  She knew all the dealers in the area since she walked past them each day on the way to the bus to work.  One day some creep tried to drag her off, probably for a raping.  Two dealers beat the ever living shiat out of him.
 
2013-11-22 03:47:02 PM

CruiserTwelve: Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area?


If that's true, why not find a way to gather evidence and go after him for whatever he's doing illegally behind the scenes? How does arresting employees for "trespassing" while they're in the process of doing their damn job help in any way, especially when they're just let go and never prosecuted for anything (because they know the charges are total bullshiat)?

Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

Then, why not just bust the crackheads for possession and the drug dealers for dealing? Again, how does hassling this employee with bogus "trespassing" charges help at all? If the employee is really doing something illegal, why not bust him for that instead? He's quite clearly not really trespassing, since his employer, who owns the damn place, wants him there! Not to mention, as said, he's never really charged with such a crime, merely harassed by being arrested repeatedly and then released...

Look, I'm not one of the always rabid anti-cop types, and I generally think you usually speak sanely... But, I fail to understand how anyone can defend the actions of the cops from the article, if it's at all accurate about what they did... Sure, there may be more going on at the store which is drawing them there, but I don't see how it justifies their actions as described, regardless of WTF may be going on there!
 
2013-11-22 04:13:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


Look, we all know you guys have to make numbers.  You can stop with the quota denial.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:39 PM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


As usual, CruiserTwelve supports the right of cops to violate the law not just once or twice, but literally hundreds of time.  His excuse?  There might be something funny going on.  I thought cops were supposed to understand that you have to have some farking evidence.  If there is a crime, get the damn evidence, get a warrant, arrest the people involved.  But they don't do that.  A few hundred ILLEGAL arrests is NEVER FARKING JUSTIFIED YOU JACKBOOTED PIECE OF SHIAT.
 
2013-11-22 06:35:13 PM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.
 
2013-11-22 06:35:56 PM

China White Tea: In either case, they should be fired immediately.


Also, I'll add: In the event of the former, they should face criminal charges.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:12 PM

China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.


Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?
 
2013-11-22 09:20:01 PM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.

Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?


So you're asserting... what?

That maybe the guy wasn't arrested 60 some times, yet never prosecuted?  

The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.  If you have alternate facts that contradict those facts, put up or fark off.
 
2013-11-22 10:26:38 PM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.

Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?


Did you even watch the videos? There's one where a cop is poking around the back room with a flashlight when he's supposed to be just using the bathroom. There's another where a clerk carries a bag of trash out to the dumpster only to be arrested for trespassing once he steps back in the sore. There's another where the cops face plant an non resisting person outside the store. All three are abuses by the cops. There are more linked.

I usually respect you but today you're just another one of those guys on the wrong side of that blue line. Bah.
 
2013-11-23 12:20:49 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.


If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.
 
2013-11-23 12:39:41 AM

derpy: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.


Well, it's taken more than 24 hours, but someone's finally brought up a good counter-point. I salute you!
 
2013-11-23 02:45:26 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: derpy: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.

Well, it's taken more than 24 hours, but someone's finally brought up a good counter-point. I salute you!


I was busy learning 3d modeling on Blender.  Sorry.
 
2013-11-23 04:27:16 AM
China White Tea:The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.

That's my point. You're passing judgment based solely on the word of the owner and employees of the store. I'm sure there's more to this story than what's being told here. I find it very hard to believe that the cops are harassing and arresting the employees and customers of this store without any justification. There's just no reason for them to do that.
 
2013-11-23 04:31:12 AM

Snuffybud: Did you even watch the videos? There's one where a cop is poking around the back room with a flashlight when he's supposed to be just using the bathroom. There's another where a clerk carries a bag of trash out to the dumpster only to be arrested for trespassing once he steps back in the sore. There's another where the cops face plant an non resisting person outside the store. All three are abuses by the cops. There are more linked.

I usually respect you but today you're just another one of those guys on the wrong side of that blue line. Bah.


I'll admit that the cops are being very intolerant and in some cases even possibly abusive to the customers and employees of the store. But I still want to hear the other side of the story. As I said above, I find it very hard to believe the cops would expend that much time and energy without any justification whatsoever.
 
2013-11-23 10:35:13 AM

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea:The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.

That's my point. You're passing judgment based solely on the word of the owner and employees of the store. I'm sure there's more to this story than what's being told here. I find it very hard to believe that the cops are harassing and arresting the employees and customers of this store without any justification. There's just no reason for them to do that.


Why don't you try some of that good ol' fashioned investigative police work you've been (allegedly) trained on? The email address of the reporter who cited those easily verifiable arrest numbers is right there at the top of TFA. Email her, ask her if she would be kind enough to share the place where she got those figures. My guess is that, prior to releasing the story, she found the actual numbers with a call to the county public records office to find out just how many times this guy had been arrested and not prosecuted, and to vet the original source for accuracy and reliability. You know, the kind of thing you might do if you actually cared to learn "the other side of the story".


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2013-11-23 10:36:33 AM
CruiserTwelve: I'll admit that the cops are being very intolerant and in some cases even possibly abusive to the customers and employees of the store. But I still want to hear the other side of the story. As I said above, I find it very hard to believe the cops would expend that much time and energy without any justification whatsoever.

Cognitive dissonance much?
 
2013-11-23 10:56:11 AM

radiumsoup: My guess is that, prior to releasing the story, she found the actual numbers with a call to the county public records office to find out just how many times this guy had been arrested and not prosecuted, and to vet the original source for accuracy and reliability.


You really think reporters do that? Have you ever heard of FOX news?
 
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