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(Miami Herald)   Man stopped and questioned by police 258 times in four years, searched more than 100 times, and arrested 62 times for trespassing. His crime? Showing up at work and clocking in when scheduled   (miamiherald.com) divider line 223
    More: Florida, Miami Gardens, Howard Simon, drug-related crime, state crime, U.S. Department of Justice, resisting arrest  
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2013-11-22 12:30:28 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.


The Fourth Amendment hasn't been active for ages- Patriot Act and all the extensions and expansions signed into law have made it dormant.
 
2013-11-22 01:05:49 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.

You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).


Well put.
 
2013-11-22 02:27:57 PM  

cman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?

You're better than that cman.

...you taking what I am saying seriously?

Please don't

I don't know, man...

/I think that one swallowed the hook

I admit it is difficult to transmit emotion through the Internet.

If I was in the same room as Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich I think my mannerisms would have told him that I was being facetious.


Everyone on the net has assburgers.
 
2013-11-22 02:37:22 PM  
I wonder if Miami has a "One Call, That's All" kind of Shyster around.  This is going to be a big payday eventually.
 
2013-11-22 03:13:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Fark logic:

1. We hate cops, so they can't possibly be right here
2. But everyone knows convenience stores get robbed 24/7, so the owner can't be right here
3. Cops would never just pick on somebody for "no reason", so the owner can't be right here
4. But cops always pick on people for no reason, so the cops can't be right here
5. The guy was 19 when he opened (or bought) the store so how can he be selling liquor? That can't be right?
6. But the police chief is black, why would be be targeting black people? That can't be right?

I'M SO CONFUSED IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME!!!!

Look, people, it's very simple. Cops are not black or white, they are blue. So yeah, a BLACK police chief and his BLACK (and white/Hispanic) officers would have no trouble at all targeting BLACK citizens...especially if they work for an Ayrab running a liquor store in Floriduh. And there may well be some personal animosity going on here--the store owner may have refused to give the cops coffee and donuts for free or something--who knows?

Second, the store owner is very obviously hiring local minorities and letting them hang out around his store without freaking out and calling the cops because "there is a black man in my store!" He may very well not have been robbed, at least not so severely he felt the need to report it. Small-town stores don't get robbed by locals when the owner is cool and hires the relatives of the local junkies. The employees tend to keep their relatives in line. And you can easily OWN a store that sells booze if you're underage--you just can't actually SELL it. But if an older employee does the selling, and the license is in an older person's name, it's no big deal. Given that the owner is Palestinian-Argentinan, I'm guessing the store is owned by his family.

And if you bothered to read the whole article carefully--the owner began participation in a community-oriented policing program that allowed them (the cops) to come in to area businesses and round up who ...


I often read your comments and wonder why you haven't been permanently banned for showing common sense on a regular basis.  Thank you...
 
2013-11-22 03:18:05 PM  

China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.


You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."
 
2013-11-22 03:35:42 PM  

Ehh: wax_on: Sounds like this guy has good relations with the surrounding community. This has always been my motto when living in sketchy neighborhoods. Get to know the guys pushing drugs on the corner. They'll keep the assholes from breaking in to your car.

Ever so much this. Be nice to the dealers. The assholes are their customers.


My niece lived in a sketchy neighborhood a few years back.  She knew all the dealers in the area since she walked past them each day on the way to the bus to work.  One day some creep tried to drag her off, probably for a raping.  Two dealers beat the ever living shiat out of him.
 
2013-11-22 03:47:02 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area?


If that's true, why not find a way to gather evidence and go after him for whatever he's doing illegally behind the scenes? How does arresting employees for "trespassing" while they're in the process of doing their damn job help in any way, especially when they're just let go and never prosecuted for anything (because they know the charges are total bullshiat)?

Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

Then, why not just bust the crackheads for possession and the drug dealers for dealing? Again, how does hassling this employee with bogus "trespassing" charges help at all? If the employee is really doing something illegal, why not bust him for that instead? He's quite clearly not really trespassing, since his employer, who owns the damn place, wants him there! Not to mention, as said, he's never really charged with such a crime, merely harassed by being arrested repeatedly and then released...

Look, I'm not one of the always rabid anti-cop types, and I generally think you usually speak sanely... But, I fail to understand how anyone can defend the actions of the cops from the article, if it's at all accurate about what they did... Sure, there may be more going on at the store which is drawing them there, but I don't see how it justifies their actions as described, regardless of WTF may be going on there!
 
2013-11-22 04:13:50 PM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


Look, we all know you guys have to make numbers.  You can stop with the quota denial.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:39 PM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


As usual, CruiserTwelve supports the right of cops to violate the law not just once or twice, but literally hundreds of time.  His excuse?  There might be something funny going on.  I thought cops were supposed to understand that you have to have some farking evidence.  If there is a crime, get the damn evidence, get a warrant, arrest the people involved.  But they don't do that.  A few hundred ILLEGAL arrests is NEVER FARKING JUSTIFIED YOU JACKBOOTED PIECE OF SHIAT.
 
2013-11-22 06:35:13 PM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Being arrested for "violating some kind of judicial order" 60 some times, yet never being prosecuted, makes far more sense than scumbag cops being scumbags, but only if you're also a scumbag cop.

You're right. Cops love to waste their time repeatedly arresting the same guy for no reason and harassing legitimate businesses.

Does it make more sense that cops are doing this for no legitimate reason, or that maybe, just maybe, this guy's business isn't as legitimate as he claims it is and in reality he's contributing to the high crime rate in the area? Maybe he's allowed his place of business to become a hangout for crackheads and drug dealers and that's why he's attracted the attention of the police.

No, it's more likely that the cops are just bullies trying to make some imagined "quota."


Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.
 
2013-11-22 06:35:56 PM  

China White Tea: In either case, they should be fired immediately.


Also, I'll add: In the event of the former, they should face criminal charges.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:12 PM  

China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.


Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?
 
2013-11-22 09:20:01 PM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.

Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?


So you're asserting... what?

That maybe the guy wasn't arrested 60 some times, yet never prosecuted?  

The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.  If you have alternate facts that contradict those facts, put up or fark off.
 
2013-11-22 10:26:38 PM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea: Sorry, but your position is laughably stupid after 60 arrests and zero prosecutions.  They're either abusive, and harassing someone who they have no legal reason to be harassing, or they're incompetent, and can't make an arrest stick.

In either case, they should be fired immediately.

Upon what do you base this information? The article is based solely on the word of the business owner. Would you agree that maybe, if his business is dirty, he has a motive to lie about the situation?


Did you even watch the videos? There's one where a cop is poking around the back room with a flashlight when he's supposed to be just using the bathroom. There's another where a clerk carries a bag of trash out to the dumpster only to be arrested for trespassing once he steps back in the sore. There's another where the cops face plant an non resisting person outside the store. All three are abuses by the cops. There are more linked.

I usually respect you but today you're just another one of those guys on the wrong side of that blue line. Bah.
 
2013-11-23 12:20:49 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.


If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.
 
2013-11-23 12:39:41 AM  

derpy: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.


Well, it's taken more than 24 hours, but someone's finally brought up a good counter-point. I salute you!
 
2013-11-23 02:45:26 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: derpy: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

If it's a drug front, NO WAY does the guy file suit.

Well, it's taken more than 24 hours, but someone's finally brought up a good counter-point. I salute you!


I was busy learning 3d modeling on Blender.  Sorry.
 
2013-11-23 04:27:16 AM  
China White Tea:The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.

That's my point. You're passing judgment based solely on the word of the owner and employees of the store. I'm sure there's more to this story than what's being told here. I find it very hard to believe that the cops are harassing and arresting the employees and customers of this store without any justification. There's just no reason for them to do that.
 
2013-11-23 04:31:12 AM  

Snuffybud: Did you even watch the videos? There's one where a cop is poking around the back room with a flashlight when he's supposed to be just using the bathroom. There's another where a clerk carries a bag of trash out to the dumpster only to be arrested for trespassing once he steps back in the sore. There's another where the cops face plant an non resisting person outside the store. All three are abuses by the cops. There are more linked.

I usually respect you but today you're just another one of those guys on the wrong side of that blue line. Bah.


I'll admit that the cops are being very intolerant and in some cases even possibly abusive to the customers and employees of the store. But I still want to hear the other side of the story. As I said above, I find it very hard to believe the cops would expend that much time and energy without any justification whatsoever.
 
2013-11-23 10:35:13 AM  

CruiserTwelve: China White Tea:The facts as we know them are what was stated in the article.

That's my point. You're passing judgment based solely on the word of the owner and employees of the store. I'm sure there's more to this story than what's being told here. I find it very hard to believe that the cops are harassing and arresting the employees and customers of this store without any justification. There's just no reason for them to do that.


Why don't you try some of that good ol' fashioned investigative police work you've been (allegedly) trained on? The email address of the reporter who cited those easily verifiable arrest numbers is right there at the top of TFA. Email her, ask her if she would be kind enough to share the place where she got those figures. My guess is that, prior to releasing the story, she found the actual numbers with a call to the county public records office to find out just how many times this guy had been arrested and not prosecuted, and to vet the original source for accuracy and reliability. You know, the kind of thing you might do if you actually cared to learn "the other side of the story".


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2013-11-23 10:36:33 AM  
CruiserTwelve: I'll admit that the cops are being very intolerant and in some cases even possibly abusive to the customers and employees of the store. But I still want to hear the other side of the story. As I said above, I find it very hard to believe the cops would expend that much time and energy without any justification whatsoever.

Cognitive dissonance much?
 
2013-11-23 10:56:11 AM  

radiumsoup: My guess is that, prior to releasing the story, she found the actual numbers with a call to the county public records office to find out just how many times this guy had been arrested and not prosecuted, and to vet the original source for accuracy and reliability.


You really think reporters do that? Have you ever heard of FOX news?
 
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