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(Miami Herald)   Man stopped and questioned by police 258 times in four years, searched more than 100 times, and arrested 62 times for trespassing. His crime? Showing up at work and clocking in when scheduled   (miamiherald.com) divider line 226
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2013-11-22 02:06:15 AM
Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.
 
2013-11-22 02:09:08 AM

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


Simple: they have a badge and they don't care
 
2013-11-22 02:20:47 AM
"Saleh, a native of Venezuela who is of Palestinian descent"

I think I found the problem, guys.
 
2013-11-22 02:40:00 AM

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


Cops can charge you with anything for any reason. They don't need evidence, they don't need to back it up, and you don't get to appeal to them with a lawyer.

Of course, usually, there's consequences when the cops' accusations are wrong, but not always. There's a reason the armed insurrections happen in Appalachia usually start with killing the local cop.
 
2013-11-22 02:49:08 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


A corporation doesn't have to be 21 to own beer, the guy that makes the delivery is selling to the corporation, not the individual.  Most states allow 18 year olds to sell alcohol.

And you'd have to be insane to own a convenience store as a sole proprietorship, so it's almost certainly a corporation.
 
2013-11-22 03:43:49 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


I'll assume then that you didn't live in Texas in the '70s. Except for the steroids, perhaps, there have always been cops fitting that description.
 
2013-11-22 03:47:05 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Somewhere between the indie liquor store in the ghetto never being robbed... and the cops disdain for the owner... there's something weird going on here.

/cops are still a-holes though


The whole story seems weird, though the only motivation I see from the cops is that they are being vindictive douchebags. At some point they ought to let it go.
 
2013-11-22 03:49:50 AM
It's a force of real life Constable Savages.
 
2013-11-22 03:52:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


If they were always there chasing customers out, how does his business stay open?

If the street knows cops hate him because they so often harrass his store, all the more reason he should be getting robbed the minute they leave. The cops being the dirty pigs everyone says they are would obviously let him get robbed and do little beyond taking a statement.


There is enough meat in this story to chew on without shutting our brains off and switching to mindless hyperbolic conclusions.
 
2013-11-22 03:53:44 AM

Hoopy Frood: Did you skip over the bit about their black police chief?


It could be a interpersonal dispute - the chief, or somebody else in a position of power in/over the department doesn't like the store or it's owner.

But believe it or not, even black officers often end up pushing racially discriminatory policies against other blacks.  That's before you get into 'hit the poor people' type economic discrimination.

cardex: My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


Liquer laws have changed over time.  Sometimes more strict, sometimes easier.  I figure that there's options like 'didn't sell beer then', had an older employee handle it, had a partner at the time(like his father, maybe?), etc...

Plus, well, when it comes to distribution, if you're sophisticated enough to own your own booze store you're not the target demographic for stopping possession.

Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.


You know, this sounds like a four box solution...
 
2013-11-22 04:00:49 AM

doglover: Langdon_777: Wow that is wrong on so many levels. How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there? Who are these cops? Amazing.

Cops can charge you with anything for any reason. They don't need evidence, they don't need to back it up, and you don't get to appeal to them with a lawyer.

Of course, usually, there's consequences when the cops' accusations are wrong, but not always. There's a reason the armed insurrections happen in Appalachia usually start with killing the local cop.


Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.

Not saying the cops aren't doing it, but at a certain point this will all blow up in the county's face in a giant lawsuit if there is no P.C. to arrest in so many cases in this location.
 
2013-11-22 04:05:18 AM

Smackledorfer: Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.


All court stuff. All after the fact.

The cops themselves obey only the laws of physics and their own personal judgement, which I'm sad to say is not always very good. Get names, get witnesses, get video. But don't think the bill of rights protects you more than any other sheet of paper before you make it to a courtroom.
 
2013-11-22 04:08:10 AM

doglover: Smackledorfer: Well, you can expunge records of that nature iirc.

Plus, you can abso-farking-lutley allowed to sue on 4th amendment false arrest grounds.

All court stuff. All after the fact.

The cops themselves obey only the laws of physics and their own personal judgement, which I'm sad to say is not always very good. Get names, get witnesses, get video. But don't think the bill of rights protects you more than any other sheet of paper before you make it to a courtroom.


Yes.
 
2013-11-22 04:09:07 AM

cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch


Y'know, cman, sometimes I come into a thread, and you've said something Smart AND Funny.

That makes me wand a 3rd button labelled Dumb
 
2013-11-22 04:12:23 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I took that hook line and sinker.

/hangs head in shame.


Ah...

/ditto.
 
2013-11-22 04:17:14 AM
Fark logic:

1. We hate cops, so they can't possibly be right here
2. But everyone knows convenience stores get robbed 24/7, so the owner can't be right here
3. Cops would never just pick on somebody for "no reason", so the owner can't be right here
4. But cops always pick on people for no reason, so the cops can't be right here
5. The guy was 19 when he opened (or bought) the store so how can he be selling liquor? That can't be right?
6. But the police chief is black, why would be be targeting black people? That can't be right?

I'M SO CONFUSED IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME!!!!

Look, people, it's very simple. Cops are not black or white, they are blue. So yeah, a BLACK police chief and his BLACK (and white/Hispanic) officers would have no trouble at all targeting BLACK citizens...especially if they work for an Ayrab running a liquor store in Floriduh. And there may well be some personal animosity going on here--the store owner may have refused to give the cops coffee and donuts for free or something--who knows?

Second, the store owner is very obviously hiring local minorities and letting them hang out around his store without freaking out and calling the cops because "there is a black man in my store!" He may very well not have been robbed, at least not so severely he felt the need to report it. Small-town stores don't get robbed by locals when the owner is cool and hires the relatives of the local junkies. The employees tend to keep their relatives in line. And you can easily OWN a store that sells booze if you're underage--you just can't actually SELL it. But if an older employee does the selling, and the license is in an older person's name, it's no big deal. Given that the owner is Palestinian-Argentinan, I'm guessing the store is owned by his family.

And if you bothered to read the whole article carefully--the owner began participation in a community-oriented policing program that allowed them (the cops) to come in to area businesses and round up whoever they felt was a risk--namely, those same employees who are relatives of the local criminals. One reason why "broken windows theory" requires a close working relationship between cops and the community BEFORE they start rounding up the undesireable elements, as the guy in the article pointed out, and which the Miami Grove PD kind of forgot to do before they energetically started cleaning up the neighborhood. They kind of missed that part. The owner decided he didn't want to be part of it, and the harassment, er, cleaning up redoubled in his store.

So to sum up:

1. A convenience store might well not be robbed all the time.
2. Cops might well pick on people of color, even if they themselves are nominally black.
3. A younger Arab-American who calls himself 'the owner" is probably not the sole owner of a store.
4. Broken-windows theory only works when the community is involved.
 
2013-11-22 04:17:28 AM
Miami Gardens Police is running a mime theater.  To create the illusion of effective action without actual effect.

Sack the lot and replace them with llamas.
 
2013-11-22 04:48:10 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Well, in all fairness, with the police permanently parked outside arresting everyone who ventures onto the property, there shouldn't be any robberies.
 
2013-11-22 04:51:17 AM
Langdon_777: How the fark can a person be charged with trespass when they allowed to be there?

Probably some kind of judicial order that prohibits him from being in the area would be my guess.

Policing in the ghetto is frustrating. These cops probably get calls all day saying there's drug dealing going on in front of that business. If they try to do something about it, they get criticized. If they don't do anything about it, they get criticized.

Been there.
 
2013-11-22 04:52:36 AM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


The cocaine-fueled orgies after his parents handed him the place for a graduation present must have been epic, but that's long since dried up by now.

/He probably stands to inherit the rest of their mini minimart empire when they die, too.
//Let the orgies recommence!
 
2013-11-22 05:06:39 AM
Those cops should be dead and their families should be grieving.
 
2013-11-22 05:12:43 AM

Smackledorfer: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If they were always there chasing customers out, how does his business stay open?

If the street knows cops hate him because they so often harrass his store, all the more reason he should be getting robbed the minute they leave. The cops being the dirty pigs everyone says they are would obviously let him get robbed and do little beyond taking a statement.


There is enough meat in this story to chew on without shutting our brains off and switching to mindless hyperbolic conclusions.


The cops didn't hate him until he complained about them driving off business. They used to just hate his neighborhood. They would happily prosecute anyone who robbed the store and then take the clerk in for trespassing ten minutes later. They hate the entire region and everyone in it.
 
2013-11-22 06:10:50 AM
The city's letterhead ...

Miami Gardens: the only city that can make Hialeah look classy

Chicharrones!
 
2013-11-22 06:14:27 AM
So there's really a few problems here.  First, cops coming up to talk to "suspicious"  people isn't necessarily bad in and of itself.  The cops in the small town I grew up in would pull me and 3 other guys over every time that they saw the four of us together in the same car after dark.  More times than not, we had beer and were drunk.  They would make us pour out our beer and take us to the closest person's house.

However, the problem comes in when you have given cops too much power, hold them up as heroes based solely on the number of arrests they make, and don't build in harsh repercussions for abusing the power they have been given.

Now add on top of that the incentive for prosecutors to over prosecute to get ensure that it is in the defendant's best interest to plea down rather than risk going to jail and you have yourself a farking mess.
 
2013-11-22 06:45:40 AM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.

Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


I know you're being sarcastic, but it's not working at all.
 
2013-11-22 06:56:22 AM

kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.


stores in bad neighbourhoods rarely get robbed. you don't shiat where you eat/sleep. criminals go to nicer neighbourhoods to do their robbing.
 
2013-11-22 07:11:35 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.


You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).
 
2013-11-22 07:15:19 AM

BafflerMeal:
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They misspelled enslave and punish.
 
2013-11-22 07:40:30 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


He hasn't been robbed because of the strong police presence.
 
2013-11-22 07:48:15 AM
I bet the problem would go away if the owner asked the chief to provide an off-duty officer to provide private security at the store.

The chief would "recommend" a suitable private company to hire the officers through, and the "correct" people would share the "extra work" and "administrative costs".
 
2013-11-22 08:11:25 AM
Maybe the cops just use that convenience store as the spot to get information on other crimes. Its the local hangout to get the dirt. just gotta shake some people down first to get them to talk.
 
2013-11-22 08:30:01 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Apparently the cops are always there. No time to rob it.
 
2013-11-22 09:02:06 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Pumpernickel bread: Gotta wonder if the police don't suspect them of something else that they just can't prove and are letting their presence be known until they can. This place isn't getting extra attention from one cop, but apparently from the PD as a whole, so I think we can probably rule it being due to a couple of bigoted cops picking on some brown people.

I'm guessing the business is used as a front for money laundering.  Why else would it never have been robbed?  A convenience store in a poor neighborhood that has never been knocked over?  Come on.

You sound well off.

I have lived in a neighbourhood just like the one in TFA. Those stores do not get knocked over. The criminals know there are better pickings in rich white neighbourhoods. The only time the MIGHT (and let me stress MIGHT) get robbed are from a crackhead who happened to get ahold of a gun. If that does happen however, it's taken care of in the neighbourhood... no police needed. Criminals tend not to shiat where the eat/sleep. Typically, with those stores in those neighbourhoods, there will always be a group hanging around outside... those are the dealers, and lookouts. Coming in and out of the store are the customers and sometimes the dealers (they never deal inside the store though). If you want to eliminate the dealing around the store, all you need is one cop to make hiss presence known at random times day and night, and dealers will hang elsewhere (with less police presence). What these cops are doing is nothing short of harassing the owner, patrons, and employees of the store (probably to fulfil their being a dickhead quota as most cops working in those neighbourhoods are dickheads).


THIS, THIS THIS.

I have owned my home for the last 14 years in a neighborhood that is known in my city to be the "bad" part of town. Never once have I had any issues. As stated before, criminals don't shiat where they sleep. I'm nice with neighbors and at least cordial with the thugs. If they know you, they don't piss with ya.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:56 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery.
 
2013-11-22 09:18:24 AM

Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery.


Over 17 years? In Miami Gardens???
 
2013-11-22 09:19:56 AM

Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.


FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.
 
2013-11-22 09:41:15 AM

cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front


There's no reason you can't successfully open a business at 19 if you have a little seed money. Especially one as dead easy as a convenience store. It's just that most teens aren't thinking that way unless their family are all small business owners.

Maybe his parents gave him a gift to set him up, or maybe one died and left him a small chunk.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:15 AM

serial_crusher: Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.

FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.


Your assumption, like mine, depends on robbers pulling the names of the stores out of a hat. Most are targeted because of the suspected amount of cash on hand, the ease of escape, and the lack of security measures.

Even so, Miami Gardens reported 351 robberies in 2010 and expects that number to be 327 this year. Statistically, convenience stores account for less than 9% of all robberies so generously say that they will have 30-35 convenience store robberies per year. Now based on web searches, the city has approximately 125 convenience stores. Again, some will be targeted repeatedly for the reasons outlined above. That still leaves a significant majority untouched.

Basically we can't know how unusual this guy's claim is without speaking with all 125 store owners. Odds are that there is at least a handful that can legitimately make the claim of zero robberies over an extended period of time.
 
2013-11-22 10:31:52 AM
serial_crusher:  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

They're about due for a robbery the same way that you're due to hit on those scratchers. Just keep on playing and you'll hit because you're due any time now.
 
2013-11-22 10:39:03 AM

DigitalCoffee: serial_crusher:  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

They're about due for a robbery the same way that you're due to hit on those scratchers. Just keep on playing and you'll hit because you're due any time now.


Yeah, all these suckers at my office are putting all that money in their 401Ks.  Only downside to my retirement plan is the company doesn't match my Powerball contributions.  The eventual payout will be totally worth it though.
 
2013-11-22 10:52:24 AM

cman: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: cman: If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't biatch

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

We either repeal or stop this shiat.

Only guilty people say that

So, what are you guilty of?


When did you become a Scientologist?
 
2013-11-22 11:01:19 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: kombi: The problem is going to be, now when something does happen at the store. The police are going to take a very long time to show up.

stores in bad neighbourhoods rarely get robbed. you don't shiat where you eat/sleep. criminals go to nicer neighbourhoods to do their robbing.


Not true from my time in pontiac and monroe county michigan. Have any stats to back it up?

Nobody left pontiac to knock over businesses in Rochester hills ten minutes away and a million times richer.
 
2013-11-22 11:08:08 AM

Les Comdien Masque: serial_crusher: Les Comdien Masque: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

False perception.

Most convenience stores are never robbed. Per FBI figures for 2011, there were 369,089 robberies reported. Of those, about 8.3% (approximately 30,634) were convenience stores. There were a total of 146,126 convenience stores operating in the U.S. at that time. Even if you spread the numbers out to one hit per store (which isn't accurate since many are targeted for repeat hits), that would still mean that approximately 4 out of 5 stores never experienced a robbery during that one year.

FTFY

Assuming a flat 1/5 chance that a given store will be robbed in a given year, the store from TFA statistically should have been robbed 3.4 times during the 17 years it's been owned by its current owner.  The police should keep staking it, because if it didn't get robbed during the 4 years they've been doing this, they're about due for a robbery next year.

Your assumption, like mine, depends on robbers pulling the names of the stores out of a hat. Most are targeted because of the suspected amount of cash on hand, the ease of escape, and the lack of security measures.

Even so, Miami Gardens reported 351 robberies in 2010 and expects that number to be 327 this year. Statistically, convenience stores account for less than 9% of all robberies so generously say that they will have 30-35 convenience store robberies per year. Now based on web searches, the city has approximately 125 convenience stores. Again, some will be targeted repeatedly for the reasons outlined above. That still leaves a significant majority untouched.

Basically we can't know how unusual this guy's claim is without speaking with all 125 store owners. Odds are that there is at least a handful that can legitimately make the claim of zero robberies over an extended period of time.


Statistics aren't supporting your argument the way you think they are.

But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?
 
2013-11-22 11:23:43 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

There's no reason you can't successfully open a business at 19 if you have a little seed money. Especially one as dead easy as a convenience store. It's just that most teens aren't thinking that way unless their family are all small business owners.

Maybe his parents gave him a gift to set him up, or maybe one died and left him a small chunk.


Family probably pooled their money and sent him here to open the store so he could make money to send back to them.

At least that's what the Saleh type at the local 7-11 claims his family did for him and is common where he comes from.
 
2013-11-22 11:30:41 AM

listernine: See guys, its the 99.8% of cops that abuse their powers that make the 0.2% look bad.


this is why no one like the police
 
2013-11-22 11:36:07 AM
There's more going on than just the bad cops though... and DA or ADA should have talked to those cops a LONG time ago about why they can't do this... it took a whole lot more people complicit in these bad acts to make this policy possible, from the city council to the mayor to the DAs office... there's a whole lot of corruption going on to perpetuate this kind of ass-backwards behavior.
 
2013-11-22 11:38:53 AM

Giltric: BSABSVR: Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all? You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC. You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.

No.

Got a cite?


No cite yet?
 
2013-11-22 11:40:40 AM

Smackledorfer: But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?


I just figure if the cops are always there arresting everybody who goes near the store, the robbers will pick a different store to rob.
 
2013-11-22 11:42:29 AM

Smackledorfer: Statistics aren't supporting your argument the way you think they are.

But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?


Yeah, my goal wasn't to prove the store owner was telling the truth - just to point out that Mitch's incredulity isn't reason enough to believe he's lying either. That a convenience store can operate in Miami Gardens and never be the target of a robbery is not only possible but probable. But again, no way to gauge an accurate percentage without polling the owners so we're all just performing mental masturbation.

And regardless of reason (legitimate patrols or illegal harassment), the mere presence of the police at the location could be a deterrent to would-be robbers, i.e. protection of a sort.
 
2013-11-22 11:50:15 AM

serial_crusher: Smackledorfer: But to the concept that the police harrassment would protect them: why would this owner get special protections from the cops we have apparently established are hateful vengeful pigs out to ruin him?

I just figure if the cops are always there arresting everybody who goes near the store, the robbers will pick a different store to rob.


Given the numbers, my guess is that they weren't there nearly enough.  I mean, the one big example of jackbooted harassment was five guys escorting the sixth to the shiatter for ten minutes and then leaving. Further, the allegation isn't harassment over the full 17 years of store ownership.


I think there is more to the story (though most likely not enough to defend that many arrests that never led to convictions and that much focus on the one store). Even if the owner is a mobster with connections and is up to no good, it is still retarded for the cops to just randomly throw whatever charges they can at people in the store.
 
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