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(Miami Herald)   Man stopped and questioned by police 258 times in four years, searched more than 100 times, and arrested 62 times for trespassing. His crime? Showing up at work and clocking in when scheduled   (miamiherald.com) divider line 226
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2013-11-21 11:58:33 PM
About three years ago, Saleh said police asked him to participate in what they called a "zero-tolerance" program to reduce crime. He gladly signed up, not realizing at the time how much it would impact his business and customers. Under the program, Miami Gardens police are given broad powers to stop and arrest people who appear to be loitering or trespassing at the participating business.

Looks like he got what he asked for.
 
2013-11-22 12:00:08 AM

tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.


The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people
 
2013-11-22 12:02:34 AM
If you are widely hated, reviled, feared and despised and you have you draw the wagons of your fellow hated, reviled, feared and despised colleagues into a circle every day because "Everybody is wrong but us", maybe it ain't everybody else.
 
2013-11-22 12:03:06 AM

VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?


Don't slow down in Miami Gardens or you'll die.
 
2013-11-22 12:03:37 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power
 
2013-11-22 12:06:26 AM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-11-22 12:06:33 AM

lewismarktwo: War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power


Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges... pretty much all in the same business.  Same gang.  Same mission.  Same methods.
 
2013-11-22 12:11:51 AM
Good cops get to know the regulars and employees. These guys are obviously living in an "us vs them" headspace. They will only make the locals loath to go to the police with problems.
 
2013-11-22 12:12:26 AM

bunner: lewismarktwo: War On Drugs, asset forfeiture, prison industrial complex, general corruption of power

Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges... pretty much all in the same business.  Same gang.  Same mission.  Same methods.


In the grand scheme of things it pays to belong to some organization with muscle if you want more than just the illusion of control.
 
2013-11-22 12:13:46 AM

bunner: Crips, bloods. zetas, mafia, cops, HSA, judges...


... dweebies, dickheads, they all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude.
 
2013-11-22 12:14:32 AM
Somewhere between the indie liquor store in the ghetto never being robbed... and the cops disdain for the owner... there's something weird going on here.

/cops are still a-holes though
 
2013-11-22 12:15:33 AM

Abox: In the grand scheme of things it pays to belong to some organization with muscle if you want more than just the illusion of control.


Law has always been drafted with the loftiest goals and it always ends up being whatever the people with the most gold and weapons say it is.
 
2013-11-22 12:16:49 AM

EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.


Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....
 
2013-11-22 12:27:49 AM

EJ25T: tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.

The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people


I'm in the west coast.
 
2013-11-22 12:30:09 AM

Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....


That's... creative. I respect the passion of your argument, but if you want to affect real change, hitting them where it hurts is the better strategy. "Where it Hurts" is making the entire department accountable from the top down.
Every time a line-item request or tax increase comes up for the next dozen or so years, people will remember.
This is all assuming that the alleged activities actually took place, of course.
 
2013-11-22 12:32:56 AM

VivianVivisect: EJ25T: tgambitg: VivianVivisect: So what's the difference between Miami and Miami Gardens?

The second has Gardens.

/and it goes to 11.

The difference between St. Louis and East St. Louis, both of which I've lived in.

/in before someone says black people

I'm in the west coast.


Miami Gardens is basically a Haitian refugee camp, only not as nice.
 
2013-11-22 12:38:46 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.


Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.
 
2013-11-22 12:51:47 AM
I am generally against "civil rights lawsuits" because let's face it, a lot of them (not all mind you) are just a way to get some free cash when you farked up. However, if this is true, this is not only a violation of these people's rights but definitely should be a criminal case of harassment against the cop or cops that are doing this. 

Good luck to the victims of this kind of bullshiat.
 
2013-11-22 12:55:26 AM

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2013-11-22 01:01:36 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood silently for a full 10 minutes. Then they all marched out.
 
2013-11-22 01:08:40 AM

Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....


So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?
 
2013-11-22 01:10:04 AM

Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.


Forget it, Jake Jim, it's Chinatown South Florida.
 
2013-11-22 01:11:40 AM
As a rule I try not to give LEOs a hard time, but man these porcine jerks need to be in jail not on the street with a badge and pistol.
 
2013-11-22 01:11:48 AM

vicioushobbit: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Let's assume it is a drug front; shouldn't the police cite these guys with actual charges, things that would stick, in order to get them to roll on their bosses?

Seems to me, if they DID think it was a drug front, that the cops are handling the investigation pretty farking idiotically.


Remember, these are Florida cops. To stupid to learn a trade or go into a profession, and not good enough at football to make the pros. Basically high school bullies who never grew up.
 
2013-11-22 01:13:46 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood sil ...


Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:32 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


1.  Wholesalers don't card

2. He may have been a part owner before he was of age.

3.  Liquor stores in bad neighborhoods have been known to conduct business not in the according-to-Hoyle manner.

Also:

It may be diffrent in other states

Ya farkin think?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:51 AM

BSABSVR: Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....

So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?


Huh?
 
2013-11-22 01:14:59 AM

Dinjiin: I really do wonder what would happen if a state required a psychological exam every five years for police, specifically looking for things like aggressive personality disorder and other hyper-alpha male traits, then permanently revoking their certificate to be a peace officer if they fail?

A few people from high school who I know to have gone on to be police officers were the sort of people I least wanted to see with a badge and gun.


I have worked with LEOs in several places, mostly dash cam and body mic setup this system should be required for every police department.
 
2013-11-22 01:18:20 AM

Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and fi ...


Seems like hes saying that since the police have been making their presence known around his store that nobody has had the balls to try to rob him.

The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.
 
2013-11-22 01:19:08 AM

Bandito King: Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?


And apparently if it targets people who own things at an arbitrarily unacceptable age.
 
2013-11-22 01:21:31 AM
"phrawgh (favorite: troll) : Here we go with the Fark cop hate. These officers are just doing the best they can to protect us. It's a thankless and dangerous job. It's often repeated but know less true, if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Obviously they know this guy is up to something. They'll eventually catch him and put him away. There can be no doubt that he is a criminal as he has already be caught with drugs.

2/10

Your hook is dull tonight. You're being too obvious. Be a little more subtle next time."


Look, lets face facts. Anyone can catch me with drugs - I have Ibuprofen in my pocket all the time. Number two, No quality trolling occurred here.Number 5, no one cares.
 
2013-11-22 01:22:18 AM
Is it a police state yet?
 
2013-11-22 01:23:51 AM

Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.


Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."
 
2013-11-22 01:25:06 AM
Its Florida. The same state that has arrested people for filling there own prescriptions.
 
2013-11-22 01:25:09 AM

bunner: I have a lot to say about this, most of it terribly obvious, and frankly, I'm old enough  to remember when the preponderance of cops weren't arrogant, violent, sadistic, steroid crazed thugs and I don't think anybody born after 1988 could relate.


Pretty much this. Also if you lived in a moderate sized town or small city large enough to have a force but small enough to have personal accountability.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again: Being a cop does something to one's head. The nicest, most socially-aware person can be turned into a sadistic, arrogant thug when the uniform goes on, as the Stanford Prison Experiment proved quite handily; and then there's my own anecdotal experience. My mom tells me my own father, certainly as un-vicious and un-crazed a person as you could find, became someone totally different the five years he was a L.A. deputy sheriff.

I truly believe things have gotten WORSE over time; but it's something about the job that needs serious scrutiny and constant evaluation and adjustments to prevent this kind of thing from happening.
 
2013-11-22 01:26:34 AM

Giltric: BSABSVR: Giltric: EJ25T: I would rather my tax dollars go to compensate someone who was wronged by a corrupt police force than to have that money continue to fund the department allegedly perpetrating said activities.

Odd.

I would rather have the officer be sued personally. Have to liquidate everything until he is left with whatever skills he has and maybe a pair of underwear, the money going towards the judgment. Be banned from any type of police job or position of authority. Start from scratch and have half the wages they earn garnished and put towards the judgment,  go bankrupt, turn into an alcoholic and maybe still be allowed access to a gun in case of those drunk, dark nights, alone.....

So you choose to hope for magic, rather than look for real solutions?  Nice work.  How'd that trucker blockade work out for you, anyway?

Huh?


Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all?  You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC.  You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.
 
2013-11-22 01:27:37 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."


It's 1:30. What do you expect?
 
2013-11-22 01:28:41 AM

BSABSVR: Can't remember your own opinions for longer than a month, or do you just shotgun blast so much dumb shiat that you can't keep track of it all? You remember the failed trucker blockade of DC. You were an apologist for it because, much like your concept of a "solution" to what is happening here in Miami Gardens, your solutions to problems only work if you eliminate reality and gaze deeply up your own ass.


No.

Got a cite?
 
2013-11-22 01:29:31 AM

Giltric: Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."

It's 1:30. What do you expect?


Well he may also be close to the police station. Maybe he is just lucky. But that does not mean what the police are doing is right.
 
2013-11-22 01:30:32 AM
Sign here if you think this article represents all of the germane facts to this case and does not have some agenda up it's sleeve.
 
2013-11-22 01:35:21 AM

Giltric: Pray 4 Mojo: Giltric: The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.

Wut?

"Not to protect himself from criminals, because he says he has never been robbed."

It's 1:30. What do you expect?


Free entertainment.

/Thanks
 
2013-11-22 01:36:22 AM
After a news report like this, I hope some well-meaning citizens post up at the store to act as future witnesses, and to show support for the staff.
Unbelievable.
 
2013-11-22 01:41:36 AM
This wouldn't happen if you just gave them free coffee like everyone else, geez.
 
2013-11-22 01:43:13 AM
Maybe the cops own an easement in front of his door.
 
2013-11-22 01:48:35 AM
It's amusing, watching the number of people try to hate on cops while also trying to figure out how a convenience store might have existed without being robbed for all this time.

If you were this store owner and lived in this area, would YOU tell THOSE cops if your store had gotten robbed? Cuz I never would.
 
2013-11-22 01:50:56 AM
Holy crap, that's unbelievable.
 
2013-11-22 01:51:03 AM

Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and five of them stood sil ...

Is it your thesis that intimidation by police is acceptable as long as it's only for ten minutes?


No, I'm not suggesting the harassment campaign is right. But my thesis is that convenience store guy isn't telling the whole truth either.
 
2013-11-22 01:52:34 AM

cardex: Texas Gabe: cardex: Mitch Taylor's Bro: serial_crusher: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Everybody knows better than to rob a drug front.

That's what I was thinking, too. Drugs or mafia money laundering front.

The owner is 36 but has owned the place for 17 years, something does not add up. My money is on drug front

Yeah, there's no possibility all that he's just a really hard worker, maybe inherited the business, maybe both. Let's just assume he's a criminal.

Idiot.

My issue is that the store sells beer how can a 19 year old own a shop that sells a product that he can not legally own, the guy that makes the delivery would be selling to a minor. It may be diffrent in other states but in mine if I take a bottle of wine to the regester and the person behind the counter is under 21 they have to call someone over.


Maybe he had employees over 21 deal with the beer. Or maybe he just didn't sell beer for the first two years he owned the business. I mean, it's only been over a decade.
 
2013-11-22 01:54:56 AM

Giltric: Bandito King: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Jim_Callahan: Mitch Taylor's Bro: FTFA: "...he says he has never been robbed."

A convenience store that's never been robbed? That's enough to trigger my BS detector.

Because the cops are always there.

Which the owner would likely be more sanguine about if they weren't always there because they were hassling his employees, harassing his customers with no probable cause, and in several cases engaging in outright extortion and sabotage.

And he's not just biatching, according to TFA he's filed two internal affairs complaints, and only resorted to videotaping everything when the response to the complaints was a 5-man squad of uniformed officers just squatting in his shop for an hour to chase his customers out.

So... no, not BS.  Dude's got enough evidence presented just with what's mentioned in TFA that if the criminals in question were anyone but cops they'd be serving hard time already, it's pretty open-and-shut there.

If you think about it a little bit, he's 36, he's owned this place for 17 years (as pointed out by another farker, that seems a little suspicious right there) and has NEVER BEEN ROBBED. Not, "since the police started their reign of terror." Never. Those are his words. Maybe they're hyperbole, but he's certainly not referring to the time the cops started the over-the-top harassment campaign.

Of course, since there were six officers, one went to the restroom and they left in ten minutes, I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

FTFA: One evening, shortly after he had complained a second time, a squadron of six uniformed Miami Gardens police officers marched into the store, he says. They lined up, shoulder to shoulder, their arms crossed in front of them, blocking two grocery aisles.

"Can I help you?" Saleh recalls asking. It was an entire police detail, known as the department's Rapid Action Deployment (RAD) squad, whom he had come to know from their frequent arrest sweeps. One went to use the restroom, and fi ...

Seems like hes saying that since the police have been making their presence known around his store that nobody has had the balls to try to rob him.

The guy never mentions if he was ever robbed before the police started hanging out at his store. He could have been robbed every other day before they started hanging out and harassing people.


Do you know what the word "never" means? As in, "never been robbed?" Sheesh, what a moran!
 
2013-11-22 01:58:40 AM

OnlyM3: Is it a police state yet?


Not yet

We're still nowhere close to what Britain does
 
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