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(SeattlePI)   Good: Seattle Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce places ad aimed at keeping production of Boeing 777X in Washington State. Bonehead: ad features Airbus plane   (seattlepi.com) divider line 20
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2013-11-21 08:01:35 PM  
You know the rule about AK-47s?

Here in Seattle, it's kind of like that with airplanes.  Everything is made by Boeing.

As an example, here we have an early picture of Bill Boeing just before a test flight of an early prototype 787.

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2013-11-21 08:09:56 PM  

Rent Party: You know the rule about AK-47s?

Here in Seattle, it's kind of like that with airplanes.  Everything is made by Boeing.



Yep, this could be a great photoshop theme right here.
 
2013-11-21 08:10:10 PM  
Do you really expect a graphic designer to be an Airplane expert, that is the type of guy who takes  2 Valiums the minute they call for boarding,
 
2013-11-21 08:26:55 PM  

Kanemano: Do you really expect a graphic designer to be an Airplane expert, that is the type of guy who takes  2 Valiums the minute they call for boarding,


How else do you expect him to calm down after finding out that FreedomGrope(tm) wasn't a come-on?
 
2013-11-21 08:40:44 PM  

dionysusaur: Kanemano: Do you really expect a graphic designer to be an Airplane expert, that is the type of guy who takes  2 Valiums the minute they call for boarding,

How else do you expect him to calm down after finding out that FreedomGrope(tm) wasn't a come-on?


It's his own damn fault trying to give the TSA pocket concierge ®, a dry martini and a lecture about fonts and kerning.
 
2013-11-21 09:04:49 PM  
A Chamber spokeswoman,  Terri Hiroshima, told The Seattle Times

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Also a Boeing...
 
2013-11-21 09:05:12 PM  
Heard on NPR that it's against the law for the public to be told how much Boeing pays in taxes.

I'm fed up with huge corporations playing one state against another for massive tax breaks. I know gov'ts can't do this, but I'd cheer if a state ever told a company: STFU GTFO.

fark Boeing. Their HQ does not belong in Chicago. That was a dick move.
 
2013-11-21 09:15:15 PM  
It's mostly posturing.
 
2013-11-21 09:34:28 PM  

stewbert: I'm fed up with huge corporations playing one state against another for massive tax breaks


Why?   A business has to answer to investors/shareholders and yes even to its employees.  If they can move to location x and pay less in taxes  while turning out the same quality of product than location y why the heck not?  For those employees tax breaks just might be the competitive edge between  that production line staying open and those employees having jobs-particular in a global market

We give tax breaks for all sorts of things ,people having kids, mortgages, electric cars etc etc why not business?

Important point I do differentiate between tax breaks and subsides.  A tax break is money not collect and in this case would not normally be collected anyway if the business chose not to locate there and is offset somewhat by other tax revenue generated by associated activity of the business, which also would not be collected if the business went elsewhere.

Subsidies, which are mostly bad, is money taken from the tax payer and given unearned to the the recipient.
 
2013-11-21 10:32:00 PM  

hasty ambush: We give tax breaks for all sorts of things ,people having kids, mortgages, electric cars etc etc why not business?


I think the problem is less with tax breaks in general and more to do with tax breaks for specific businesses.  It plays favorites.  Why do I have to pay a rate of X for my small business while MegaCorp pays X/4?


hasty ambush: A tax break is money not collect and in this case would not normally be collected anyway if the business chose not to locate there and is offset somewhat by other tax revenue generated by associated activity of the business, which also would not be collected if the business went elsewhere.


On the flip side, bringing in those jobs means more people.  You need the tax base to support the infrastructure for those new people.  Sure, you can say that you just brought in 10,000 new jobs, but if all your arterial roads are two lanes (and now clogged) and your sewer and water pipes are from the 1950s (resulting in frequent untreated discharges at the sewer plant and funny tasting water because your wells are running dry), have you really improved the quality of life for your citizens?
 
2013-11-21 10:43:48 PM  
Rumor has it some are saying if they move, the workers at Boeing should, well, stop them...
 
2013-11-21 10:47:28 PM  
Maybe Seattle should just encourage Airbus to build planes in Seattle, and say "Fark Boeing!"
 
2013-11-22 12:02:39 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Maybe Seattle should just encourage Airbus to build planes in Seattle, and say "Fark Boeing!"


Yeah... Airbus is a multi-country business/state behemoth that exists partly to give competition to Boeing and mostly to support union voting blocks. Good luck there.

Kanemano: Do you really expect a graphic designer to be an Airplane expert, that is the type of guy who takes  2 Valiums the minute they call for boarding,


I'd expect the graphic designer to read the details of the stock photo, and the photographer to be right.
 
2013-11-22 01:26:35 AM  

wildcardjack: Kanemano: Do you really expect a graphic designer to be an Airplane expert, that is the type of guy who takes  2 Valiums the minute they call for boarding,


Can I just say, as a graphic designer, I can tell the difference between an Airbus and a Boeing?  Maybe that's just what happens when you have your secretary do your advertisement.  Just like most things, you get what you pay for.  I get paid to make sure these things are correct and you don't look like an asshat.

/Also- the plane if crashing off the page
 
2013-11-22 04:28:44 AM  
The problem with having such big employers in a state/city is that it makes sense for them to threaten to move away on a regular basis to get more and more concessions out of the government to keep them there.
 
2013-11-22 06:12:29 AM  

hasty ambush: stewbert: I'm fed up with huge corporations playing one state against another for massive tax breaks

Why?   A business has to answer to investors/shareholders and yes even to its employees.  If they can move to location x and pay less in taxes  while turning out the same quality of product than location y why the heck not?  For those employees tax breaks just might be the competitive edge between  that production line staying open and those employees having jobs-particular in a global market

We give tax breaks for all sorts of things ,people having kids, mortgages, electric cars etc etc why not business?

Important point I do differentiate between tax breaks and subsides.  A tax break is money not collect and in this case would not normally be collected anyway if the business chose not to locate there and is offset somewhat by other tax revenue generated by associated activity of the business, which also would not be collected if the business went elsewhere.

Subsidies, which are mostly bad, is money taken from the tax payer and given unearned to the the recipient.


Like you said subsidies are bad. You pay full price. YES I get the Healhtcare & Retirement contributions tax credit. I'm willing to give that up. No kids and not a renter. No breaks for that.
 
2013-11-22 06:36:55 AM  
A plane is a plane is a plane
 
2013-11-22 10:11:58 AM  
Yes, Tattoo?
 
2013-11-22 11:45:20 AM  

hasty ambush: stewbert: I'm fed up with huge corporations playing one state against another for massive tax breaks

Why?   A business has to answer to investors/shareholders and yes even to its employees.  If they can move to location x and pay less in taxes  while turning out the same quality of product than location y why the heck not?  For those employees tax breaks just might be the competitive edge between  that production line staying open and those employees having jobs-particular in a global market

We give tax breaks for all sorts of things ,people having kids, mortgages, electric cars etc etc why not business?

Important point I do differentiate between tax breaks and subsides.  A tax break is money not collect and in this case would not normally be collected anyway if the business chose not to locate there and is offset somewhat by other tax revenue generated by associated activity of the business, which also would not be collected if the business went elsewhere.

Subsidies, which are mostly bad, is money taken from the tax payer and given unearned to the the recipient.


I can see how it benefits the business, but I don't care about that. I care about how it hurts the local community. The workers, and the rest of the community have to pay for the infrastructure that Boeing demands.

Additionally, not sure about Boeing, but a place like Intel comes in and hires people from out of state and H1B for the best jobs, instead of local residents. These newcomers may or may not care about the local place.
 
2013-11-23 12:52:27 AM  

Buckner: wildcardjack: Kanemano: Can I just say, as a graphic designer, I can tell the difference between an Airbus and a Boeing?  Maybe that's just what happens when you have your secretary do your advertisement.


ಠ_ಠ

/former Boeing secretary
//can still identify various Airbus and Boeing models flying overhead
 
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