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(High Country Press)   Author writes letter to authorities to keep her book about surviving a repressive regime from being banned. Is it in: A) Cuba, B) North Korea, or C) North Carolina?   (hcpress.com) divider line 71
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2013-11-21 04:20:25 PM
Rape and torture?

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-11-21 04:24:10 PM
""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.
 
2013-11-21 04:28:19 PM
Those poor 10th grader's brains would explode if they read about rape and torture.
 
2013-11-21 04:30:14 PM

Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.


As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?
 
2013-11-21 04:31:23 PM

hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?


To push the religious conservative agenda under the guise of keeping our children safe from harm.
 
2013-11-21 04:31:45 PM

Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.


You mean her first cousin, once removed?  Her father was never the president of anything.
 
2013-11-21 04:33:31 PM

RedPhoenix122: To push the religious conservative agenda under the guise of keeping our children safe from harm.


Oh God. The children might think for themselves. That would be BAD.
 
2013-11-21 04:33:45 PM

Farce-Side: Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.

You mean her first cousin, once removed?  Her father was never the president of anything.


You can't be sure of that.  He might have been president of something like an HOA.  Or a book club.
 
2013-11-21 04:33:49 PM

hardinparamedic: On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?


for the children.

/ it's taking a book off the optional reading list for some class.  no one is banned from reading it, just banned from teaching it
// still BS... but, that's how it will be argued, and there's a lot of constitutional leniency when it comes to the children
 
2013-11-21 04:35:41 PM

RedPhoenix122: He might have been president of something like an HOA


In that event, shooting at dawn is too kind for this guy.
 
2013-11-21 04:39:24 PM
Seriously, it's one school board.

That's a great thing about federalism and decentralized government.  All the local agencies have the freedom to experiment and to adapt to their particular situations. Sometimes they do something good, and other parts of the country adopt it.  Sometimes they do something bad, and we either tsk-tsk, point and laugh, or file lawsuits.
 
2013-11-21 04:39:41 PM

RedPhoenix122: Farce-Side: Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.

You mean her first cousin, once removed?  Her father was never the president of anything.

You can't be sure of that.  He might have been president of something like an HOA.  Or a book club.


I've missed you so much.  Keep TFD warm while I'm absent.
 
2013-11-21 04:40:22 PM
Kurt Vonnegut's letter to School Board Head who burned his books.


http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html
 
2013-11-21 04:41:02 PM

Farce-Side: I've missed you so much.  Keep TFD warm while I'm absent.


I didn't know you cared.

No really, I had no farking clue.
 
2013-11-21 04:42:35 PM
You'd think a celebrated author would know the meaning of the word "banned".
 
2013-11-21 04:44:52 PM

RedPhoenix122: hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?

To push the religious conservative agenda under the guise of keeping our children safe from harm.


Which seems counter intuitive. They should be holding this up as what will happen in Obama's Socialist America, but they're too butt hurt to accept the book and change the narrative.
 
2013-11-21 04:45:50 PM
Um, House of the Spirits is required reading in NC for most higher level 12th grade English classes. It's not going to be banned. Well it should be banned, but for being terrible not for it's subject matter. One Hundred Years of Solitude was a much better book (also required reading in NC).

Hell my senior year of NC education we read 100 Years of Solitude, Grapes of Wrath, House of the Spirits, and Native Son. All of which have fairly weird sex scenes if not outright rape.
 
2013-11-21 04:46:43 PM
I would be upset if I had to read that drivel in the tenth grade.

It is usually on the book shelf besides 100 Years of Suckitude.
 
2013-11-21 04:47:40 PM

jaybeezey: They should be holding this up as what will happen in Obama's Socialist America, but they're too butt hurt to accept the book and change the narrative.


Their target audience would be insulted by the author's name.
 
2013-11-21 04:48:35 PM

Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.


from amazons book listing:

"Of course, the author is niece of Salvador Allende, the socialist president democratically elected that was removed from power and killed by Pinochet. "

so.. it was her uncle, not father, but the point still stands
 
2013-11-21 04:48:45 PM
This lady has obviously never been to Watauga county.

Despite it being a college town, most of the locals in Boone "ain't got no need for your fold outs covered in scriblins wrote up all over".

When the kids go home you can actually feel the collective IQ of the county entire northwest corner of the state drop.
 
2013-11-21 04:54:30 PM
New rule: you can't vote on banning any book you haven't read personally and taken a test to prove that you not only read, but comprehended the content of, said book.

Who's with me?
 
2013-11-21 04:55:47 PM
I don't think we ban books in the USA, just ban them from libraries. Not to say that even that isn't dumb, but...

Today I finished reading a novel of galactic conspiracies, in which (for example) an amoral captain of industry seeks out furries and the like in positions of power, shows them his menagerie of genetically-engineered hybrids, and then uses their desires (and incriminating videos) to pressure them into giving concessions to him.

If we allow just anyone to borrow books containing trans-species rape, complaining about a historical novel which represents rape and torture as they actually happen during conflicts seems pretty stupid.
 
2013-11-21 04:56:28 PM

Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.


That was her first mistake. This is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic.
 
2013-11-21 04:59:44 PM

Shaviv: I don't think we ban books in the USA, just ban them from libraries. Not to say that even that isn't dumb, but...

Today I finished reading a novel of galactic conspiracies, in which (for example) an amoral captain of industry seeks out furries and the like in positions of power, shows them his menagerie of genetically-engineered hybrids, and then uses their desires (and incriminating videos) to pressure them into giving concessions to him.

If we allow just anyone to borrow books containing trans-species rape, complaining about a historical novel which represents rape and torture as they actually happen during conflicts seems pretty stupid.


How often did you get hard or jerk off when reading?
 
2013-11-21 05:00:39 PM
People who want to ban books are afraid of the content, and that fear is usually based in either ignorance or incomprehension. Both conditions can be remedied by COMPLETELY IGNORING THEIR RIDICULOUS NARROW-MINDED "CONCERNS"
 
2013-11-21 05:02:25 PM

hardinparamedic: RedPhoenix122: To push the religious conservative agenda under the guise of keeping our children safe from harm.

Oh God. The children might think for themselves. That would be BAD.


Once an organism is capable of self thought, it quickly realizes that religion is a sham.
 
2013-11-21 05:02:39 PM

RedPhoenix122: jaybeezey: They should be holding this up as what will happen in Obama's Socialist America, but they're too butt hurt to accept the book and change the narrative.

Their target audience would be insulted by the author's name.


Nah, it's not like it's Maria Rodriguez. N.C. hicks wouldn't know Allende was a last name of South American origin.
 
2013-11-21 05:03:48 PM

lenfromak: That was her first mistake. This is not a democracy, but a constitutional republic.


i1.ytimg.com

I thought we lived in a utiliarian anarcho-commune?
 
2013-11-21 05:04:44 PM

hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?


Thank you for this. While the US' actions were horrendous, they're hardly unique. And the Soviets were just as self-righteous about it as the US.
 
2013-11-21 05:17:05 PM

hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?


Bu-bu-but U.S.S.R!

We don't live in Russia nor do we have any say in Russia's policies. Surprisingly, Americans have a bigger problem with shenanigans pulled by the American government than they do with shenanigans pulled by governments that don't directly affect them. I'M SHOCKED.
 
2013-11-21 05:19:40 PM

scopecreep: This lady has obviously never been to Watauga county.

Despite it being a college town, most of the locals in Boone "ain't got no need for your fold outs covered in scriblins wrote up all over".

When the kids go home you can actually feel the collective IQ of the county entire northwest corner of the state drop.


I thought that everyone in Watauga County either worked for ASU, or were blue ticks that lived in Florida in the winter and in Boone in the summer (and Christmas week).   The only people I've met in Boone that you describe were actually from across the line in Mountain City, TN.
 
2013-11-21 05:27:39 PM
reality: A single person objected to the book, and the school unanimously decided to keep it on anyway. (And taking something off the required reading list for a class, if that even happened, is not "banning" a book.)

Reacting to oversensitive hysteria with opposite but equal oversensitive hysteria is probably not productive.

If the teacher of the year thinks it's relevant to her class, then I will take her word for it over people who haven't read it.
 
2013-11-21 05:29:07 PM
Watauga County: Home to seriously pretentious names.

Who names their kid Chastity Lesesne?!?

/lives in NC
//getting a kick... Not really
///hates living here
 
2013-11-21 05:32:42 PM

umad: hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?

Bu-bu-but U.S.S.R!

We don't live in Russia nor do we have any say in Russia's policies. Surprisingly, Americans have a bigger problem with shenanigans pulled by the American government than they do with shenanigans pulled by governments that don't directly affect them. I'M SHOCKED.


BSABSVUSA.
 
2013-11-21 05:32:44 PM
Lady, your book isn't banned in the way people think it's banned. (Nazi book bonfire, anyone?) It's just not part of the of one school board's curriculum. But if a kid brought the book into school and read it during lunch or study time, that kid will not be thrown into the gulag.

I'm tired of people saying, "banned." It's not banned. It's removed from the curriculum. Anyone can go outside the school and purchase it. And five bucks say, even though it's banned, if a kid had to do a book report, she/he could do it on said "banned" book and would most likely not get in trouble with the teacher. Unless that teacher is one of those serious don't color outside the lines types.
 
2013-11-21 05:34:01 PM

Deedeemarz: People who want to ban books are afraid of the content, and that fear is usually based in either ignorance or incomprehension. Both conditions can be remedied by COMPLETELY IGNORING THEIR RIDICULOUS NARROW-MINDED "CONCERNS"

FTA: In October, Chastity Lesesne objected to two sections of the book: a scene of torture and the other of rape.


This woman is obviously living up to her prudish name...and more than likely has never even READ the book.

I farkin' hate prudes.
 
2013-11-21 05:34:42 PM
Totally against banning ANY books, but............go away.
 
2013-11-21 05:36:52 PM

umad: Bu-bu-but U.S.S.R!

We don't live in Russia nor do we have any say in Russia's policies. Surprisingly, Americans have a bigger problem with shenanigans pulled by the American government than they do with shenanigans pulled by governments that don't directly affect them. I'M SHOCKED.


Oh shut up. I never said people shouldn't have a problem with it. I pointed out it was both sides, not the United States being the big evil to some mystical "good".

It was shades of evil, not a good versus bad. We just out-chessed the Soviets.
 
2013-11-21 05:41:45 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Deedeemarz: People who want to ban books are afraid of the content, and that fear is usually based in either ignorance or incomprehension. Both conditions can be remedied by COMPLETELY IGNORING THEIR RIDICULOUS NARROW-MINDED "CONCERNS"

FTA: In October, Chastity Lesesne objected to two sections of the book: a scene of torture and the other of rape.

This woman is obviously living up to her prudish name...and more than likely has never even READ the book.

I farkin' hate prudes.


And that is usually the case. Banned Book Week is in September and my kids and I read at least one banned book to "celebrate" it--and, get this, we talk about the "controversial" material that got the book banned or restricted or protested or whatever. Bet this person would never allow her teenager to read the book and then DISCUSS it so that the kid has a good frame of reference from which to view the material. Jeez people like this make me want to kill them.
 
2013-11-21 05:51:46 PM
objected to two sections of the book: a scene of torture and the other of rape.

Aw hell. Show-and-tell is worse than that these days.
 
2013-11-21 05:53:24 PM
Hint: in only one of these three places would writing a letter to the authorities have any chance of producing the stated result.

/which only proves it to be THE MOST oppressive place of the three, as it's the only place that uses its non-oppressiveness to ruthlessly oppress those that want to accuse them of oppression
//see the oppression inherent in the system?
///personally, I'm oppressing the author because her book sucks
 
2013-11-21 05:59:53 PM
Just today I seeded my 13 and 16-year old nephews' bathroom reading material with a stack of old '70s issues of National Lampoon magazine, that I found in a box of my old stuff. I suppose I could resell 'em, but I'd rather they get enjoyed than collected.

The more kids read, the better they can discern crap from gold.
 
2013-11-21 06:32:09 PM

optional: hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?

Thank you for this. While the US' actions were horrendous, they're hardly unique. And the Soviets were just as self-righteous about it as the US.


I was laying the blame for Allende's (and yes uncle not father my error) assassination and the resultant installation of a military dictatorship at the US's feet. I don't know where else you can lay it.

It has nothing to do with a broader issue about the nature of the Cold War upon which I probably agree with you.

Your 'hipster' comment doesn't warrant discussion.
 
2013-11-21 06:41:15 PM

RedPhoenix122: Farce-Side: Tigger: ""But I did not expect it in our democracy," Allende wrote. "

This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't expect it.

You mean her first cousin, once removed?  Her father was never the president of anything.

You can't be sure of that.  He might have been president of something like an HOA.  Or a book club.


Her father was in fact an ambassador.
 
2013-11-21 06:47:41 PM

optional: hardinparamedic: Tigger: This is the same democracy that assassinated your democratically elected father so they could replace him with a military dictatorship that killed over 3,000 people.

As opposed to the Soviets who were doing the same thing, and the Russians, which arguably continue to do so.

Let's not pretend that the practice of Banana republics was a purely 'Murican thing. Or that these were anything less than shadow wars between the US and the USSR using extra-national actors.

That doesn't make it any more abhorrent, but to lay the blame strictly upon the United States is a pretty hipster, historically ignorant thing to do.

On another note, WTF is the United States even banning books for?


I'm not sure how you can say that while having said the rest of your post.

Thank you for this. While the US' actions were horrendous, they're hardly unique. And the Soviets were just as self-righteous about it as the US.

The USSR was a totalitarian state with a propaganda machine lying to her citizens, telling them that they lived in the greatest society on the planet.

The USA

/The rest of that sentence is left as an exercise for the student.
//Had a few beers, please don't take my comment too seriously.
 
2013-11-21 06:51:56 PM
School administrators and anyone else who try to ban books should be raped and tortured.
 
2013-11-21 06:56:26 PM

theflatline: Shaviv: I don't think we ban books in the USA, just ban them from libraries. Not to say that even that isn't dumb, but...

Today I finished reading a novel of galactic conspiracies, in which (for example) an amoral captain of industry seeks out furries and the like in positions of power, shows them his menagerie of genetically-engineered hybrids, and then uses their desires (and incriminating videos) to pressure them into giving concessions to him.

If we allow just anyone to borrow books containing trans-species rape, complaining about a historical novel which represents rape and torture as they actually happen during conflicts seems pretty stupid.

How often did you get hard or jerk off when reading?


While it is sick that someone would have those ideas and commit them to paper and sicker still that they would get read and bragged about on a public forum the true sicko here is you for needing to know about his masturbation practice during the consumption of this filth.

/so... was it any good
//what's the name of the novel
///how many times DID you fap to sweet intergalactic trans species lovin
 
2013-11-21 07:02:09 PM
She still has to hide in the attic.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-21 07:05:45 PM
They are againt book - rape, but rape-rape is ok? I'm asking for a friend.
 
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