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(Rolling Stone)   There are three things guaranteed in life: death, taxes, and Charles Manson never confessing to Helter Skelter   (rollingstone.com) divider line 53
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2013-11-21 11:07:01 AM
How could he? Lennon wrote it.
 
2013-11-21 11:17:01 AM
You forgot submitter's mom being a whore.........
 
2013-11-21 11:26:09 AM
...on the outskirts of the fly-infested, windblown, stink-soaked, dry-mouth town of Corcoran subby's mom.
 
2013-11-21 11:28:27 AM

thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.


No, Paul McCartney's look-alike wrote it.
 
2013-11-21 11:38:11 AM
You have to have a conscience to confess; or at least some advantage/hope for a resentencing. Not going to happen. Unless he wants to attention-whore for some reason.
 
2013-11-21 11:45:40 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.

No, Paul McCartney's look-alike cyborg duplicate wrote it.

 
2013-11-21 11:50:54 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.

No, Paul McCartney's look-alike wrote it.


The Walrus, or the Pleesman?
 
2013-11-21 11:57:57 AM

thamike: Rev. Skarekroe: thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.

No, Paul McCartney's look-alike wrote it.

The Walrus, or the Pleesman?


I thought an old woman that lived off of Loch Dail Fhearna wrote it.
 
2013-11-21 11:59:21 AM
Nixon said he did it and you can trust Nixon, because he is not a crook!

tribune-files.imagefortress.com
 
2013-11-21 11:59:29 AM
He divined in it a coming apocalyptic war between blacks and whites, during which he and his gang would live in the desert, underground, in a magical land of milk and honey, and after which the blacks, who had won the war, would beg him to come be their leader, because they could not lead themselves.

Seems legit.
 
2013-11-21 12:02:42 PM

Facetious_Speciest: He divined in it a coming apocalyptic war between blacks and whites, during which he and his gang would live in the desert, underground, in a magical land of milk and honey, and after which the blacks, who had won the war, would beg him to come be their leader, because they could not lead themselves.

Seems legit.


Yeah, although being a leader in that context would be having your head on a pike during the parade to celebrate victory over whitey.
 
2013-11-21 12:03:49 PM
Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.
 
2013-11-21 12:06:33 PM

thamike: Rev. Skarekroe: thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.

No, Paul McCartney's look-alike wrote it.

The Walrus, or the Pleesman?


Billy Shears.
 
2013-11-21 12:07:05 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


Except that he most likely killed Shorty Shea, and there's a good chance he killed his first lawyer.
 
2013-11-21 12:07:55 PM
Oh, wow. I just educated myself regarding the details of Manson's race-war.

He thought that by taking young white women into his cult, he would thus deprive black men of the white women they so desperately craved. Deprived of such fine ass, the black men would then rise up and kill off all the white men.

Obviously, the man's a loon, but there's so much wrong with a plan that can be summed up so shortly that I really don't even know where to start.

Wow.
 
2013-11-21 12:11:00 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


Keep farking that chicken, man.
 
2013-11-21 12:20:40 PM

thamike: Rev. Skarekroe: thamike: How could he? Lennon wrote it.

No, Paul McCartney's look-alike wrote it.

The Walrus, or the Pleesman?


Which one's in the summer swelter?
 
2013-11-21 12:25:09 PM
Will Axl Rose apologize for Live and Let Die?
 
2013-11-21 12:25:40 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Obviously, the man's a loon


You think he actually believed any of that?
 
2013-11-21 12:26:54 PM
Rev. Skarekroe

You think he actually believed any of that?

No idea, it's just incredibly absurd in so, so many ways.
 
2013-11-21 12:32:11 PM

Hoopy Frood: Will Axl Rose apologize for Live and Let Die?


You mean Live 'n' Let Die-Yiy Iy-Yiy Oh No-Oh no Oh-woah-a-woah?
 
2013-11-21 12:33:27 PM
My favorite quote from TFA: "Man, that doesn't even make insane sense!" (p. 2, rebutting the Helter Skelter theory.)
 
2013-11-21 12:38:52 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


I think you're splitting semantic hairs. Yes, he never personally killed anyone, but it's clear that he was the mastermind behind the murders his followers committed on his behalf. Whether or not his hand was on the knife is only relevant to lawyers and pedants. He was responsible for those deaths in the exact same sense that a mafia captain ordering a hit is responsible.
 
2013-11-21 12:38:53 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


Supposedly he was present for the Labianca killings, and he probably did Gary Hinman in as well.
 
2013-11-21 12:43:46 PM
Also Craig Wescoe playing White Weenie.
 
2013-11-21 12:44:29 PM
7 pages??? How about a nice single page link, even the print option will do in a pinch?
 
2013-11-21 12:45:54 PM
I'm curious as to whether he has ever officially been diagnosed with some disorder.

I know he has undergone at least some psych testing over the years.
 
2013-11-21 12:46:02 PM
I will never know or understand why when Manson rested his hand on my arm it felt so good, not passively good, but actively, like leave it there, leave it there some more.

Uh, k. Makes me wonder if someone would feel the same way put in a room with Manson without knowing his legacy.
 
2013-11-21 12:47:58 PM
Manson was crucified for Nixon's sins. period.


Make no mistake. Manson was and is a sociopath, con-man and full time creep. But no way should he be most notorious criminal in US history.

He was a long haired scapegoat. The establishment needed to show the dark side of "hippie" culture.

The USA was dropping napalm on villages at the time. They needed a villain here at home. that simple.
 
2013-11-21 12:51:13 PM

craigdamage: Manson was crucified for Nixon's sins. period.


Make no mistake. Manson was and is a sociopath, con-man and full time creep. But no way should he be most notorious criminal in US history.

He was a long haired scapegoat. The establishment needed to show the dark side of "hippie" culture.

The USA was dropping napalm on villages at the time. They needed a villain here at home. that simple.


This is just an ungodly stupid sentiment, i don't even know where to begin.
 
2013-11-21 12:55:34 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


He was at the LaBianca murders. He and Charles "Tex" Watson entered their home, or as they termed it, "creepy-crawled" it, tied up Leno & Rosemary LaBianca and assured them that they weren't going to be hurt. Charles Manson left and then Charles "Tex" Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten murdered the couple.
 
2013-11-21 01:02:56 PM

special20: Facetious_Speciest: He divined in it a coming apocalyptic war between blacks and whites, during which he and his gang would live in the desert, underground, in a magical land of milk and honey, and after which the blacks, who had won the war, would beg him to come be their leader, because they could not lead themselves.

Seems legit.

Yeah, although being a leader in that context would be having your head on a pike during the parade to celebrate victory over whitey.


R. Crumb predicted this

/absolutely do not click that link at work
//or around sane people
///argument over "art" or "racism" forms over there =>
 
2013-11-21 01:09:30 PM
Because Yoko Ono?
 
2013-11-21 01:13:28 PM

OldManDownDRoad: R. Crumb predicted this

/absolutely do not click that link at work
//or around sane people
///argument over "art" or "racism" forms over there =>


R. Crumb was trolling the White Racist Establishment.  There.  Art beats Racists over the head with their own racist preconceptions. Done.
 
2013-11-21 01:14:24 PM

neversubmit: Nixon said he did it and you can trust Nixon, because he is not a crook!

[tribune-files.imagefortress.com image 850x640]


Don't make me have to defend Nixon against bullsh*t shock journalism.  Please don't!
 
2013-11-21 01:15:21 PM
I am reading Jeff Guinn's new book about Manson right now and it is actually very interesting.  I stumbled upon him speaking late one night on booknotes or something and was curious so I bought the book and can hardly put it down.  It is as much about the sixties culture as it is about Manson and I recommend it if you are into reading stuff like this.  Alot of what he claims happened to him as a child was just total bullshiat (shocking, I know).
 
2013-11-21 01:15:53 PM
Mudd's woman: I'm curious as to whether he has ever officially been diagnosed with some disorder. I know he has undergone at least some psych testing over the years.

My brother (who is a prison psychiatrist) performed an annual psychological evaluation on Charles Manson a few years back, at Corcoran.   His non-professional analysis was that Manson was not crazy, but he is a major asshole.  His professional conclusion, if I remember correctly, is that Manson is definitely not schizophrenic or bi-polar or anything like that, but that he considers Manson to be a sociopath.

He also said that Manson is EXTREMELY charismatic and definitely has a "presence" about him that you can feel when you are in the room with him. During the evaluation, Manson tried to turn the tables on my brother and rattle him, asking all kinds of questions, and trying to guess the answers, like where my brother was from, if he was married, what his ethnic background is, etc. My brother deflected the questions, but he got pretty freaked out at one point.

Charlie looked at my brother's name badge and said the last name out loud. For privacy reasons I'd rather not say it here, but let's just say it's one of those long Eastern European surnames.  Then Manson said that was odd, because my brother is really Irish. We are in fact half Irish.  But we really don't look Irish - we're not fair skinned, red hair for example, and my bro looks more Germanic, if anything.  Anyway, my brother said that when Manson made that observation it made the hair on his neck stand up.

On a side note my brother has had an interesting career. He has guarded OJ Simpson (who nicknamed him "Doc"), the Menendez brothers (he tutored Lyle on an informal basis), Richard Ramirez (the Night Stalker) and recently, Lindsey Lohan (during one of her brief jail stints).  In Iraq he saw (but didn't treat) Saddam Hussein when Hussein was brought to the military hospital at which he was stationed.  He really should write a book or something.

/He has hundreds of stories about his job and career.
//Conversation at our holiday dinners basically stops when he starts telling the stories. Everyone is riveted.
 
2013-11-21 01:16:23 PM

Super Chronic: My favorite quote from TFA: "Man, that doesn't even make insane sense!" (p. 2, rebutting the Helter Skelter theory.)


OK, I take this back. My actual favorite quote from TFA, on boning Leslie Van Houten: "it was like sticking your dick out the window."

And I always thought Van Houten was the hottest one by far.
 
2013-11-21 01:25:52 PM

Super Chronic: Super Chronic: My favorite quote from TFA: "Man, that doesn't even make insane sense!" (p. 2, rebutting the Helter Skelter theory.)

OK, I take this back. My actual favorite quote from TFA, on boning Leslie Van Houten: "it was like sticking your dick out the window."

And I always thought Van Houten was the hottest one by far.


Apparently a lot of other guys did too.
 
2013-11-21 01:35:32 PM

thamike: neversubmit: Nixon said he did it and you can trust Nixon, because he is not a crook!

[tribune-files.imagefortress.com image 850x640]

Don't make me have to defend Nixon against bullsh*t shock journalism.  Please don't!


www.memess.xpg.com.br
 
2013-11-21 02:11:23 PM
Consider what Charlie achieved: he's been a living legend since 1969, and since then he's had "three hots and a cot" for the rest of his life and all the freedom he can really handle. The wonder & mystery is how he's managed to stay alive and more or less intact all these years in prison, given that there are a lot of worse felons there and that whoever kills him will get to be The Man Who Killed Charlie Manson for the rest of his life.

Consider also that Manson is easy to make a cheap buck from: any asshole can write a book about him without having to pay him one red cent for it, and all s/he'd need to do is rework or just reword some of the other loads of crap that's been written about him. ("In my opinion it was Bobby Beausoliel who was the real cocksman of the Family...")

As for that "Helter Skelter" motive thing, who cares?

By the way, Charlie's a good example of my case for putting down violent felons instead of giving them free room & board. I bet he'd always have stuck his arm out for the needle too, and that he's been very very tired of being Charlie Manson for a very very long time.

So. While we're talking yet again about Charlie Manson, has anybody seen Paris Hilton lately? She's not any prettier but she's always been harmless.
 
2013-11-21 02:20:01 PM
Wow, his girlfriend definitely has the crazy eyes.
 
2013-11-21 02:26:25 PM
He's still as looney as he ever was.  And his new bride is just as looney.  I wonder if Squeaky will kill her for marrying Charlie.
 
2013-11-21 03:38:37 PM

thamike: OldManDownDRoad: R. Crumb predicted this

/absolutely do not click that link at work
//or around sane people
///argument over "art" or "racism" forms over there =>

R. Crumb was trolling the White Racist Establishment.  There.  Art beats Racists over the head with their own racist preconceptions. Done.


Heh. I remember getting that in the mail, the first ever publication from Rip Off that came in a plain wrapper. I opened it and just stood there for a good five minutes, trying to get my jaw off the floor.

A literature prof at Duke sponsored a course and exhibit of Crumb's stuff back in the 90s so of course I went along to the opening to hear Crumb talk, and took a couple of my favorite mags for him to sign. He's a pretty decent dude and seems amused at people like me who have old, tattered copies of ZAP! in little plastic bags. I did mention that I thought about bringing along "When the . . . " for him to sign, but decided to have him sign my copy of "A few words to the feminists" instead. He LoLed and all he said was "Good choice."
 
2013-11-21 03:39:23 PM

Chuqque: Mudd's woman: I'm curious as to whether he has ever officially been diagnosed with some disorder. I know he has undergone at least some psych testing over the years.

My brother (who is a prison psychiatrist) performed an annual psychological evaluation on Charles Manson a few years back, at Corcoran.   His non-professional analysis was that Manson was not crazy, but he is a major asshole.  His professional conclusion, if I remember correctly, is that Manson is definitely not schizophrenic or bi-polar or anything like that, but that he considers Manson to be a sociopath.

He also said that Manson is EXTREMELY charismatic and definitely has a "presence" about him that you can feel when you are in the room with him. During the evaluation, Manson tried to turn the tables on my brother and rattle him, asking all kinds of questions, and trying to guess the answers, like where my brother was from, if he was married, what his ethnic background is, etc. My brother deflected the questions, but he got pretty freaked out at one point.

Charlie looked at my brother's name badge and said the last name out loud. For privacy reasons I'd rather not say it here, but let's just say it's one of those long Eastern European surnames.  Then Manson said that was odd, because my brother is really Irish. We are in fact half Irish.  But we really don't look Irish - we're not fair skinned, red hair for example, and my bro looks more Germanic, if anything.  Anyway, my brother said that when Manson made that observation it made the hair on his neck stand up.

On a side note my brother has had an interesting career. He has guarded OJ Simpson (who nicknamed him "Doc"), the Menendez brothers (he tutored Lyle on an informal basis), Richard Ramirez (the Night Stalker) and recently, Lindsey Lohan (during one of her brief jail stints).  In Iraq he saw (but didn't treat) Saddam Hussein when Hussein was brought to the military hospital at which he was stationed.  He really should write a book or somethi ...


So your brother is the dark side of Oliver Sachs, and Manson is Hannibal Lecter?
 
2013-11-21 04:03:41 PM

The One True TheDavid: Consider what Charlie achieved: he's been a living legend since 1969, and since then he's had "three hots and a cot" for the rest of his life and all the freedom he can really handle. The wonder & mystery is how he's managed to stay alive and more or less intact all these years in prison, given that there are a lot of worse felons there and that whoever kills him will get to be The Man Who Killed Charlie Manson for the rest of his life.

Consider also that Manson is easy to make a cheap buck from: any asshole can write a book about him without having to pay him one red cent for it, and all s/he'd need to do is rework or just reword some of the other loads of crap that's been written about him. ("In my opinion it was Bobby Beausoliel who was the real cocksman of the Family...")

As for that "Helter Skelter" motive thing, who cares?

By the way, Charlie's a good example of my case for putting down violent felons instead of giving them free room & board. I bet he'd always have stuck his arm out for the needle too, and that he's been very very tired of being Charlie Manson for a very very long time.

So. While we're talking yet again about Charlie Manson, has anybody seen Paris Hilton lately? She's not any prettier but she's always been harmless.


He's kept in Cocoran's Protective Housing Unit, which is for inmates who require extraordinary protection from other prisoners.
 
2013-11-21 04:03:57 PM
I was interested until I realized what publication issued the article.
 
2013-11-21 05:20:37 PM

wildcardjack: Keep calling him a convicted killer, when one thing we know is that he wasn't at the killings. Oh, worth keeping locked away, but not a killer.


I guess this guy wouldn't be a killer, by your estimation. Worth locking up but not a killer?

.blog.eogn.com
 
2013-11-21 07:49:39 PM
There's silly crazy.
Then there's just plain crazy.
Then there's Charlie Manson crazy.
 
2013-11-21 11:22:55 PM
I don't get it.  Why would anybody think that Charles Manson had anything to do with a young girl and her family hiding in an attic?
 
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