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(The Raw Story)   Warren: We're in this mess because Washington has ignored the middle class for a generation   (rawstory.com) divider line 182
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2013-11-21 12:08:03 PM  
Cue the idiots and the Indian references!
 
2013-11-21 12:11:48 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cue the idiots and the Indian references!


Hi!  How are ya?
 
2013-11-21 12:29:14 PM  
I'm afraid the middle class is gone.  This is supposed to be people with disposable income.  Most people however are leveraged to their eyeballs in debt just to keep up with what was supposed to be a middle class lifestyle.
 
2013-11-21 12:30:01 PM  
global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-11-21 12:30:24 PM  
Where's the obvious tag?
 
2013-11-21 12:30:35 PM  
The middle class bought it hook, line and sinker. They pushed for their own gutting. "Free Market" capitalism was always crony capitalism. Financializing the entire economy along with a push for privatization and personal responsibility will end in cat food for everyone but a minor select fraction of a percent.
 
2013-11-21 12:31:31 PM  
How fortunate for the middle class.
 
2013-11-21 12:31:52 PM  
The more people sound off about MUH MIDDLE CLASS, the more it sounds like an arbitrary construct designed for the cold war golden era that never existed.

But Washington does have its head in the wrong place.
 
2013-11-21 12:32:19 PM  
She's not wrong. 2016 posturing?
 
2013-11-21 12:32:45 PM  
Obvious tag out working a second job at Walmart?
 
2013-11-21 12:32:52 PM  
This lady should keep saying things, somebody needs to speak for the human people, my friend.
 
2013-11-21 12:33:16 PM  
Someone has to pay the world police tax.
 
2013-11-21 12:33:25 PM  
We know, Warren, we know.  But how do we fix it?
 
2013-11-21 12:34:06 PM  
I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.
 
2013-11-21 12:36:00 PM  
Not ignored. Actively worked to eliminate. It's an important distinction.
 
2013-11-21 12:36:13 PM  

LucklessWonder: She's not wrong. 2016 posturing?


She was saying this sort of thing before she was even elected, and sincerely means it.

Calling this "posturing" is like telling Doug he's trying too hard to be fashionable when the trending style just happens to switch to the sweatervest that's the only piece of clothing in his wardrobe.
 
2013-11-21 12:36:58 PM  

Tomahawk513: We know, Warren, we know.  But how do we fix it?


Vote for her and she'll give you a pony, of course.
 
2013-11-21 12:37:59 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.


That will not go over well. Unless you light a candle at the altar of Her Holiness, you're asking for trouble here.
 
2013-11-21 12:38:39 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.


The sad thing is that there are people who actually believe this. Not you, of course, but people.
 
2013-11-21 12:38:50 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess"


You hear that, the economy is doing fine everybody! Middle class is doing fine! We can move onto other things!
 
2013-11-21 12:39:20 PM  
So now wut...
 
2013-11-21 12:40:10 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: So now wut...


Um ... tax cuts for the rich?
 
2013-11-21 12:40:14 PM  

Tomahawk513: We know, Warren, we know.  But how do we fix it?


1. Tax capital gains over x amount (whatever can be agreed upon) as normal income.
2. Vastly reduce the Pentagon operating budget and bolster social safety nets.
3. Raise the minimum wage.
4. End subsidies for industries that don't need them (esp. energy companies)
5. Re-institute Glass-Steagall separation of commercial and investment banks.
6. Heavy fine and penalize companies that employ tax shelters.
7. Create jobs by boosting domestic infrastructure spending.

Probably many more, but these would be a great start.
 
2013-11-21 12:40:15 PM  
She could make an interesting veep choice.
 
2013-11-21 12:40:36 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.


Like the widespread poverty in the likes of Sweden and other sociamalist Eurocommidises?

/oh wait
 
2013-11-21 12:40:43 PM  

Snapper Carr: Not ignored. Actively worked to eliminate. It's an important distinction.


Well, it makes sense when you realize the wealthy in this nation want to return to the 90's.


The 1890's that is.  They LOVED the Gilded Age and have been longing for a return to it for decades.
 
2013-11-21 12:41:29 PM  

Tomahawk513: We know, Warren, we know.  But how do we fix it?


If you look at what she's been up to while in office, it's holding corporations accountable for crimes.  If you want a serious answer, that's more than just just gestures: bring capital gains taxation into alignment with income taxation, especially as far as progressive taxation goes.
 
2013-11-21 12:41:39 PM  

Cletus C.: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.

That will not go over well. Unless you light a candle at the altar of Her Holiness, you're asking for trouble here.


I get in trouble here for posting any number of benign, uncontroversial things that cause the fans of Blue Team or Red Team some butthurt. So why shy away?
 
2013-11-21 12:42:29 PM  
Historically, ever increasing disparity of wealth ends up in either economic catastrophe or social upheaval.
I suppose it could work out differently for us, this time.
Or, not.
 
2013-11-21 12:42:49 PM  
Ingnoring? Stop with the euphamisms. The rapist can't ignore the rape victim when he committing the act. The wolf isn't ignoring the sheep when he is feeding on it. They were very focused on us.
 
2013-11-21 12:43:20 PM  

BMFPitt: Cletus C.: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.

That will not go over well. Unless you light a candle at the altar of Her Holiness, you're asking for trouble here.

I get in trouble here for posting any number of benign, uncontroversial things that cause the fans of Blue Team or Red Team some butthurt. So why shy away?


I think I see the problem.
 
2013-11-21 12:43:38 PM  

BMFPitt: Cletus C.: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.

That will not go over well. Unless you light a candle at the altar of Her Holiness, you're asking for trouble here.

I get in trouble here for posting any number of benign, uncontroversial things that cause the fans of Blue Team or Red Team some butthurt. So why shy away?


Well aren't you the rugged individual
 
2013-11-21 12:44:00 PM  

super_grass: The more people sound off about MUH MIDDLE CLASS, the more it sounds like an arbitrary construct designed for the cold war golden era that never existed.

But Washington does have its head in the wrong place.


I'd always suspected the republican agenda really is to return feudalism.
 
2013-11-21 12:44:51 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess"

You hear that, the economy is doing fine everybody! Middle class is doing fine! We can move onto other things!


No, they are doing quite badly. I want someone who will stop making it worse.
 
2013-11-21 12:44:58 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.


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"Hey, guys... get a load of this. This guy thinks he knows what widespread poverty is!"
 
2013-11-21 12:45:03 PM  

BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.


She's coming for our refrigerators and flat-screen TV'S!?!?!  That monster!
 
2013-11-21 12:45:09 PM  

coyo: super_grass: The more people sound off about MUH MIDDLE CLASS, the more it sounds like an arbitrary construct designed for the cold war golden era that never existed.

But Washington does have its head in the wrong place.

I'd always suspected the republican agenda really is to return feudalism.


I thought they were pretty explicit about that.
 
2013-11-21 12:45:21 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Ingnoring? Stop with the euphamisms. The rapist can't ignore the rape victim when he committing the act. The wolf isn't ignoring the sheep when he is feeding on it. They were very focused on us.


Rapist is ignoring the victim and focusing on their own pleasure.
Wolf is ignoring the sheep, and focusing on other wolves trying to get in on the meal.
 
2013-11-21 12:46:00 PM  

BMFPitt: No, they are doing quite badly. I want someone who will stop making it worse.


Do you have someone in mind?
 
2013-11-21 12:46:30 PM  
What it is going to take is working class people to wake up, stop voting against their own interests, and make their voices heard by elected officials. Garbage in, garbage out. We have no one to blame but ourselves for this mess.
 
2013-11-21 12:46:34 PM  
I'm not sure ignored is the word here. I mean--it fits--but it seems more like favored the wealthiest classes instead of ignoring the middle class. The middle class in itself is ripe for being ignored being what they are: generally self sufficient, but not enough financial capital to really be a force to influence any politicians.

Maybe ignored is the right word...
 
2013-11-21 12:47:59 PM  
If by ignore you mean intentionally fark over.

The free trade agreements that allowed the obscenely wealthy to move all the manufacturing jobs out of the United States without facing financial penalties for trying to moved finished goods into the US for sale didn't just happen.

Look back at the articles about the fight to grant China permanent Most Favored Nation trading status:

The power of the new China lobby was evident in Beijing last March
7, when more than 100 representatives of major U.S. firms held
their annual conference under the auspices of the U.S.-China Business
Council. Delivering his first major speech since taking office
just weeks before, U.S. Ambassador James Sasser told them that
the Clinton administration was counting on aggressive pressure
from business to secure renewal of MFN status for China. "[Sasser]
also suggested that CEOs make personal calls on Congress when
they wish to relay their concerns on major China-related issues,
such as MFN," reported the China Business Review,
the bimonthly magazine of the U.S.-China Business Council. "Nothing,"
he said, "makes an impression on a member of Congress like
a visit or phone call from a CEO from the member's district or
state."

Of course, the Fortune 500 companies that comprise the U.S.-China
Business Council-led by Boeing, Motorola, Caterpillar, AT&T,
and the American International Group (AIG)-hardly needed Sasser's
encouragement. They have been working the halls of Congress intensely
since the 1972 opening to China by President Nixon. Lured by the
prospect of 1.2 billion low-wage workers and eager consumers,
America's corporate elite have done a fine job unofficially representing
the Chinese government in Washington.


The corporate elite and their political lapdogs worked very, very hard to screw over the nation.
 
2013-11-21 12:48:16 PM  

CPennypacker: BMFPitt: Cletus C.: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.

That will not go over well. Unless you light a candle at the altar of Her Holiness, you're asking for trouble here.

I get in trouble here for posting any number of benign, uncontroversial things that cause the fans of Blue Team or Red Team some butthurt. So why shy away?

Well aren't you the rugged individual


People with no opinion, and nothing better to do than spew bile in the name of "devil's advocacy", are going to save the world, didn't you know?

Just as soon as everyone else shuts up.
 
2013-11-21 12:48:28 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Tomahawk513: We know, Warren, we know.  But how do we fix it?

1. Tax capital gains over x amount (whatever can be agreed upon) as normal income. Agree
2. Vastly reduce the Pentagon operating budget and bolster social safety nets. Agree, but very gradually
3. Raise the minimum wage. Agree
4. End subsidies for industries that don't need them (esp. energy companies)
5. Re-institute Glass-Steagall separation of commercial and investment banks. Agree
6. Heavy fine and penalize companies that employ tax shelters.
7. Create jobs by boosting domestic infrastructure spending. Farking boatloads of this. Bullet-traings everywhere.

Probably many more, but these would be a great start.


I really want someone who will vastly overhaul the Tax System. It should be simple and efficient, and primarily based on income tax. I'd also like to see a corporate revenue (not profit) tax that would be applicable if the sum of all compensation paid to the highest earner is greater than x times the lowest earner.
 
2013-11-21 12:49:15 PM  

EwoksSuck: What it is going to take is working class people to wake up, stop voting against their own interests, and make their voices heard by elected officials.


What it would take is a fundamental change in human nature. A lot of people are attracted to simple solutions for complex problems, even if they don't work. Those people will always be easy to fool and manipulate.
 
2013-11-21 12:49:19 PM  
I disagree.  It was caused by a series of structural, economic changes that were, at most, exacerbated but not caused by politics.  The advancement of automation and technology to the point where many mid-level jobs were destroyed had nothing to do with policy and the rise of outsourcing can, in large part, be traced to the rise of the developing world more so than trade policy.  After all, the North American Free Trade Association did not play a large role in increased outsourcing to Southeast Asia.  These forces will continue to occur and will continue to drag down employment and wages for the foreseeable future.   Combine this with cost disease affecting industries that directly affect quality of life in a huge way (most notably healthcare and education), you get a painful situation for many in the middle class.  This will all eventually sort itself out, the next 15 or 20 years are going to suck balls no matter who is in Washington.
 
2013-11-21 12:49:25 PM  
Well, duh. The question now, of course, is what to do about it.
 
2013-11-21 12:49:38 PM  

TimonC346: I'm not sure ignored is the word here. I mean--it fits--but it seems more like favored the wealthiest classes instead of ignoring the middle class. The middle class in itself is ripe for being ignored being what they are: generally self sufficient, but not enough financial capital to really be a force to influence any politicians.

Maybe ignored is the right word...


It's more like manipulated into voting for the interests of the wealthy and against the poor. Now that the middle class is (predictably) sinking, they're starting to rethink the rhetoric they so happily swallowed before.
 
2013-11-21 12:50:25 PM  

BlastYoBoots: BMFPitt: I much prefer this perceived "mess" to the widespread poverty that Senator Warren would impose on us.

Like the widespread poverty in the likes of Sweden and other sociamalist Eurocommidises?

/oh wait


Nope, they have chosen to set up a system that provides for a high floor and a low ceiling that works for them. Sweden that is. Something like France would be more analogous.

// I would like the French healthcare system, though.
 
2013-11-21 12:51:23 PM  

DarnoKonrad: I'm afraid the middle class is gone.  This is supposed to be people with disposable income.  Most people however are leveraged to their eyeballs in debt just to keep up with what was supposed to be a middle class lifestyle.


The majority of debt held by american households is mortgages. That debt is more often than not a healthy debt and a better choice than renting.

There is still a middle class. Drooling out hyperbolic nonsense isn't going to save it it anymore than talking about death panels is going to stop the ACA.
 
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