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(Salon)   "The Washington Post admires Paul Ryan's very bold plan to fight poverty by replacing food stamps with dreams"   (salon.com) divider line 130
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2013-11-21 08:27:09 AM
The Right would probably even have a problem with this plan since they still take issue with certain people who Had a Dream in the past.
 
2013-11-21 08:29:00 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: The Right would probably even have a problem with this plan since they still take issue with certain people who Had a Dream in the past.


heh. well played.
 
2013-11-21 08:36:56 AM
"Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."

Well of course. Just think of all those children and disabled people (who make up more than 68% of food stamp recipients) who would be free to dream again if only they were hungrier.
 
2013-11-21 08:42:01 AM
Except the dreams no longer exist.  People at the bottom of the economic ladder - hell, people in the middle of the economic ladder - are also being denied the means to climb.  All the rungs have been cut off.
 
2013-11-21 08:49:30 AM
The takeaway for Ryan, a Catholic, has been explicitly religious. "You cure poverty eye to eye, soul to soul," he said last week at the Heritage forum. "Spiritual redemption: That's what saves people."
OR
Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard his answer, he said, "There is still one thing you haven't done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

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2013-11-21 08:50:40 AM
The entire 1,800+-word piece quotes exactly one person skeptical of Ryan's ability or willingness to create an effective but acceptable-to-modern-conservatives anti-poverty program - Bruce Bartlett, an apostate Republican - and a half-dozen people deeply impressed with Ryan's sincerity and brilliance. There are no actual academic or institutional poverty experts, representatives of major national anti-poverty organizations to be found. The upward-redistributionist effect of Ryan's multitude of shady, vague budgets isn't even addressed.

Boy, WaPo is so liberal!
 
2013-11-21 09:00:59 AM
And just how does Ryan intend to fund these dreams?  Is this another No Dream Left Behind?
 
2013-11-21 09:10:12 AM

Sybarite: "Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."

Well of course. Just think of all those children and disabled people (who make up more than 68% of food stamp recipients) who would be free to dream again if only they were hungrier.


An actual religious person said that? Surely she's got to be joking.
 
2013-11-21 09:12:17 AM

RminusQ: Sybarite: "Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."

Well of course. Just think of all those children and disabled people (who make up more than 68% of food stamp recipients) who would be free to dream again if only they were hungrier.

An actual religious person said that? Surely she's got to be joking.


It's like Poe's Law has reached critical mass.  I feel like I was reading The Onion.
 
2013-11-21 09:12:57 AM
The problem is that too many people want to solve poverty by throwing money at it. Poor people don't need money, they need something to aspire to. In fact, DREAMing has lifted literally hundreds of thousands of people out of life. Want to solve poverty, dream:

Decide that poverty will no longer control your life.
React to that decision by embracing positive change.
Embrace the positive changes as they begin to occur; do not reject them.
Adjust your change process as required to maximize on your positive returns.
Meet your new, poverty-free life and vow to never journey back down your old road.

It's really that simple, and bless Paul Ryan for understanding this.
 
2013-11-21 09:14:10 AM

Diogenes: Except the dreams no longer exist.  People at the bottom of the economic ladder - hell, people in the middle of the economic ladder - are also being denied the means to climb.  All the rungs have been cut off.


The GOP would support one very high rung just so they could hang themselves.
 
2013-11-21 09:16:13 AM

RminusQ: Sybarite: "Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."

Well of course. Just think of all those children and disabled people (who make up more than 68% of food stamp recipients) who would be free to dream again if only they were hungrier.

An actual religious person said that? Surely she's got to be joking.


I see you what you did there.
 
2013-11-21 09:17:20 AM

Pocket Ninja: The problem is that too many people want to solve poverty by throwing money at it. Poor people don't need money, they need something to aspire to. In fact, DREAMing has lifted literally hundreds of thousands of people out of life. Want to solve poverty, dream:

Decide that poverty will no longer control your life.
React to that decision by embracing positive change.
Embrace the positive changes as they begin to occur; do not reject them.
Adjust your change process as required to maximize on your positive returns.
Meet your new, poverty-free life and vow to never journey back down your old road.

It's really that simple, and bless Paul Ryan for understanding this.


 Beautiful.
 
2013-11-21 09:19:03 AM
No politician has ever been so beholding of  tax payer dollars in their life as Paul Ryan.  He has to be the biggest asshole and hypocrite in the world.
 
2013-11-21 09:49:04 AM
But Ryan's votes to slash food stamp spending will assuredly boost America's gross national dreaming.

Boom.
 
2013-11-21 09:50:01 AM
So, instead of talking about getting a job, he wants folks to actually go and get one?

I guess I'm going to remain skeptical until he actually rolls out his plan. Well, that, and when folks start hiring more, because the jobs plan sort of hinges upon jobs being available. That means more folks starting businesses, that the policies that he supports that suppress competition locally sort of piss on. It also means that until these folks are working, that the landlords and banks who rely on their payment of rent, and utility companies and groceries and other services will likewise be sort of in the wind for a bit of their income.

That's the thing about "welfare" is that they impact far more than just the folks who are getting them directly. Folks who are poor, they send the bulk of their income out. To rent. To car payments. To food. Utilities. End the support, and a far wider web of folks are affected. Does Ryan propose putting banks and landlords into a tailspin? Where are these jobs that these folks dream of come from?

He's right, in that we do need to start thinking larger, but that means that we need to start thinking in terms of MOAR competition in the market--not less, which is what the policies that he tends to advocate do. We need more players in the markets--not the stock market--and that means incentives to start new businesses, that means incentives to retain workers. That means we need not be looking at only the largest players, but look at increasing the competition TO those largest of players. That will force those large players to more efficient methods of doing business. That means that they will face folks who aren't looking for millions to pay their CEOs, but to simply make a decent living for themselves and their workers. It means that corporate America will face a robust middle class that have their own businesses to tend to, and their own investments, as opposed to simply lining the pockets of those who keep their money OUT of the local economy.

We need to keep money local. We need the web of commerce to become more robust in the local sense, and then the chain of investment will grow more robust, and folks can consider better investments once they have taken care of their own needs--as opposed to the assisted market model that we see today. THAT is the f*cker we face now: markets that rely on government assistance and interference to KEEP competition low. We need more competition, and we need it years ago.

Show me the plan first, instead of empty platitude you Backpfeifengesicht bastiche...
 
2013-11-21 09:54:26 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
Are you not entertained?
 
2013-11-21 09:55:31 AM

Pocket Ninja: The problem is that too many people want to solve poverty by throwing money at it. Poor people don't need money, they need something to aspire to. In fact, DREAMing has lifted literally hundreds of thousands of people out of life. Want to solve poverty, dream:

Decide that poverty will no longer control your life.
React to that decision by embracing positive change.
Embrace the positive changes as they begin to occur; do not reject them.
Adjust your change process as required to maximize on your positive returns.
Meet your new, poverty-free life and vow to never journey back down your old road.

It's really that simple, and bless Paul Ryan for understanding this.


To be fair, you can sub a few words and get their alternatives to Obamacare and gay marriage.
 
2013-11-21 09:57:15 AM
Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.
 
2013-11-21 09:58:24 AM
So, same old shiat. The poors need to get off the public dole and get jobs and the only way to make that happen is rip the support out from under them with no plan to put them to work.
//finding a job is their problem/responsibility.
 
2013-11-21 09:58:28 AM
Next year, for the 50th anniversary of that crusade, Ryan hopes to roll out an anti-poverty plan to rival his budgetary Roadmap for America's Future in scope and ambition. He is also writing a book about what's next for the GOP, recalling the 1979 tome that detailed Kemp's vision under the subtitle, "The Brilliant Young Congressman's Plan for a Return to Prosperity."

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2013-11-21 09:58:55 AM
well, all you have to do is believe!!
 
2013-11-21 09:58:58 AM
Make no mistake about it, Paul Ryan has been actively waging a class war against the lower strata of society since he has been in office.

His strategy is probably lower taxes, abolish the minimum wage and hand out bibles and copies of atlas shrugged.
 
2013-11-21 10:00:46 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.


What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?
 
2013-11-21 10:01:15 AM

Sybarite: "Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."


What a farking evil sentiment. "We'll let you starve so you can dream about eating."
 
2013-11-21 10:01:45 AM

hubiestubert: Show me the plan first, instead of empty platitude you Backpfeifengesicht bastiche...


I'll be any amount of money that you'll never see a cohesive plan from him.  His numbers never add up and he knows he'll be skewered in the media for whatever he puts out there.  Taking money away from the poor to give tax cuts to the "job creators" isn't a very good sales pitch these days.
 
2013-11-21 10:01:49 AM

stpauler: The takeaway for Ryan, a Catholic, has been explicitly religious. "You cure poverty eye to eye, soul to soul," he said last week at the Heritage forum. "Spiritual redemption: That's what saves people."
OR
Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard his answer, he said, "There is still one thing you haven't done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

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And the most silly thing about this?

Ryan, a Catholic?  The head of the Catholic Church, the farking Pope, thinks all your ideas are immoral and full of shiat.  You can NOT use your Catholic faith as justification for your immoral actions when the head of your Church says those actions are wrong.

Man up and just say you're doing this because you're a Republican who hates the poor and loves Job Creators.  Don't lie and blame the Catholics for your bullshiat.
 
2013-11-21 10:01:54 AM
I predict Ryan will next be advocating work houses and debtor's prisons.
 
2013-11-21 10:02:18 AM
You'd be amazed how fast you quit having dreams when you don't have any money or any food.
 
2013-11-21 10:02:22 AM
Grrr...I'll bet* any amount...
 
2013-11-21 10:05:09 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Next year, for the 50th anniversary of that crusade, Ryan hopes to roll out an anti-poverty plan to rival his budgetary Roadmap for America's Future in scope and ambition. He is also writing a book about what's next for the GOP, recalling the 1979 tome that detailed Kemp's vision under the subtitle, "The Brilliant Young Congressman's Plan for a Return to Prosperity."

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Is that any good?  I just finished his newest, "The Circle," and was rather unimpressed.
 
2013-11-21 10:05:22 AM

hubiestubert: So, instead of talking about getting a job, he wants folks to actually go and get one?

I guess I'm going to remain skeptical until he actually rolls out his plan. Well, that, and when folks start hiring more, because the jobs plan sort of hinges upon jobs being available. That means more folks starting businesses, that the policies that he supports that suppress competition locally sort of piss on. It also means that until these folks are working, that the landlords and banks who rely on their payment of rent, and utility companies and groceries and other services will likewise be sort of in the wind for a bit of their income.

That's the thing about "welfare" is that they impact far more than just the folks who are getting them directly. Folks who are poor, they send the bulk of their income out. To rent. To car payments. To food. Utilities. End the support, and a far wider web of folks are affected. Does Ryan propose putting banks and landlords into a tailspin? Where are these jobs that these folks dream of come from?

He's right, in that we do need to start thinking larger, but that means that we need to start thinking in terms of MOAR competition in the market--not less, which is what the policies that he tends to advocate do. We need more players in the markets--not the stock market--and that means incentives to start new businesses, that means incentives to retain workers. That means we need not be looking at only the largest players, but look at increasing the competition TO those largest of players. That will force those large players to more efficient methods of doing business. That means that they will face folks who aren't looking for millions to pay their CEOs, but to simply make a decent living for themselves and their workers. It means that corporate America will face a robust middle class that have their own businesses to tend to, and their own investments, as opposed to simply lining the pockets of those who keep their money OUT of the local economy ...



Most people on food stamps are working already.  Not that Paul Ryan would understand, the guy has never worked a day in his life.  He went straight from school into a congressional staffer position and then into congress.  He's a pure, unadulterated by reality, insider.   The fact any one would listen to this guy on how to help the working poor is staggeringly paradoxical.
 
2013-11-21 10:11:03 AM

DarnoKonrad: hubiestubert: So, instead of talking about getting a job, he wants folks to actually go and get one?

I guess I'm going to remain skeptical until he actually rolls out his plan. Well, that, and when folks start hiring more, because the jobs plan sort of hinges upon jobs being available. That means more folks starting businesses, that the policies that he supports that suppress competition locally sort of piss on. It also means that until these folks are working, that the landlords and banks who rely on their payment of rent, and utility companies and groceries and other services will likewise be sort of in the wind for a bit of their income.

That's the thing about "welfare" is that they impact far more than just the folks who are getting them directly. Folks who are poor, they send the bulk of their income out. To rent. To car payments. To food. Utilities. End the support, and a far wider web of folks are affected. Does Ryan propose putting banks and landlords into a tailspin? Where are these jobs that these folks dream of come from?

He's right, in that we do need to start thinking larger, but that means that we need to start thinking in terms of MOAR competition in the market--not less, which is what the policies that he tends to advocate do. We need more players in the markets--not the stock market--and that means incentives to start new businesses, that means incentives to retain workers. That means we need not be looking at only the largest players, but look at increasing the competition TO those largest of players. That will force those large players to more efficient methods of doing business. That means that they will face folks who aren't looking for millions to pay their CEOs, but to simply make a decent living for themselves and their workers. It means that corporate America will face a robust middle class that have their own businesses to tend to, and their own investments, as opposed to simply lining the pockets of those who keep their money OUT of the ...


But he's so sincere.
 
2013-11-21 10:11:32 AM
"Let them eat dreams"

--Marie Antoinette Paul Ryan RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-21 10:12:27 AM

Graffito: Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.

What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?


Sounds like you have a roof over your head.  Not poor yet.
 
2013-11-21 10:13:32 AM

Sybarite: "Paul wants people to dream again," [Bishop Shirley] Holloway said of Ryan. "You don't dream when you've got food stamps."

Well of course. Just think of all those children and disabled people (who make up more than 68% of food stamp recipients) who would be free to dream again if only they were hungrier.


Hey, I think he's on to something here. I bet if we all starved our children they'd be doing a lot better at school and would grow up to be successful. In fact, we should withdraw all our support, that way they'll start really achieving their dreams! End the child welfare state!
 
2013-11-21 10:13:46 AM
fatshionelle.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-21 10:13:46 AM
Shamlessly stolen from Krugman:


Hammer: Wages? Do you want to be wage slaves? Answer me that!
Bellhops: No.
Hammer: No, of course not. But what makes wage slaves? Wages!

Similarly:
Ryan: Do you want to be dependent on government help to survive?
Poor: No.
Ryan: Of course not. But what makes people dependent on help? Help!
 
2013-11-21 10:15:08 AM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Graffito: Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.

What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?

Sounds like you have a roof over your head.  Not poor yet.


Humanitarian of the year award for this guy, stat

I walked by a homeless guy this morning begging for change. I told him to come back when he's actually poor. Dude was wearing a sock. Not poor yet.
 
2013-11-21 10:16:31 AM
a study found that when offered the choice of being locked in room with a rabid chimp holding a syringe full of aids virus or being locked in a room with paul ryan 87% of people picked the chimp.
 
2013-11-21 10:18:09 AM
Perhaps Representative Ryan could appeal to motivational speakers to further endorse his philosophy and thus increase its popularity.
 
2013-11-21 10:18:28 AM

CPennypacker: Three Crooked Squirrels: Graffito: Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.

What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?

Sounds like you have a roof over your head.  Not poor yet.

Humanitarian of the year award for this guy, stat

I walked by a homeless guy this morning begging for change. I told him to come back when he's actually poor. Dude was wearing a sock. Not poor yet.


If he's wearing a sock over his dick, is that still not poor yet?
 
2013-11-21 10:18:45 AM
The pro-starvation movement is amongst my favorite of all movements. It's depravity is a beauty to behold.
 
2013-11-21 10:19:39 AM

CPennypacker: Three Crooked Squirrels: Graffito: Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.

What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?

Sounds like you have a roof over your head.  Not poor yet.

Humanitarian of the year award for this guy, stat

I walked by a homeless guy this morning begging for change. I told him to come back when he's actually poor. Dude was wearing a sock. Not poor yet.


You should have given him some dreams.
 
2013-11-21 10:24:04 AM
For people who claim to despise the 'empty suit' in the WH, conservatives sure are bad at recognizing an empty suit.
 
2013-11-21 10:24:16 AM
All it takes to be a brilliant young policy wonk on the Republican side is to cut government spending.  When you consider that Paul Ryan's first priority is to save money - and not people - all his initiatives make sense.
 
2013-11-21 10:24:36 AM

Diogenes: Except the dreams no longer exist.  People at the bottom of the economic ladder - hell, people in the middle of the economic ladder - are also being denied the means to climb.  All the rungs have been cut off.


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Checkmate, libfart.
 
2013-11-21 10:25:03 AM

CPennypacker: Three Crooked Squirrels: Graffito: Three Crooked Squirrels: Personally, I don't think poor people should get food stamps until they are truly poor.  Have a refrigerator?  You can convert that to cash.  Maybe then, once the cash is spent, can you get your hands on food stamps.  Until then, you aren't truly poor.

What if the refrigerator in your apartment belongs to your landlord, and it's not yours to sell?

Sounds like you have a roof over your head.  Not poor yet.

Humanitarian of the year award for this guy, stat

I walked by a homeless guy this morning begging for change. I told him to come back when he's actually poor. Dude was wearing a sock. Not poor yet.


I think (I hope) the Mr./Ms. Squirrels was being sarcastic.
 
2013-11-21 10:26:18 AM

Sgt Otter: Diogenes: Except the dreams no longer exist.  People at the bottom of the economic ladder - hell, people in the middle of the economic ladder - are also being denied the means to climb.  All the rungs have been cut off.

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Checkmate, libfart.


those people gotta eat a ladder
 
2013-11-21 10:26:24 AM

Diogenes: And just how does Ryan intend to fund these dreams?  Is this another No Dream Left Behind?


We're supposed to use the dreams of our fathers and recycle them.
 
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