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(Salon)   This article explains how your favorite songs are racist and why you should feel bad about yourself   (salon.com) divider line 171
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2013-11-21 08:30:05 AM
If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.
 
2013-11-21 08:47:30 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.


And we're done here.
 
2013-11-21 08:48:02 AM
I am surprised Weird Al escaped their notice about getting rich by mocking black musicians.
 
2013-11-21 08:49:42 AM
"Thrift Shop," the Macklemore and Ryan Lewis song, treats shopping for used clothes as a fun treat for white people to enjoy; Macklemore raps that people who see him in his new duds call him a "cold-ass honky." The song's racial issues are closely conflated with class - thrift shopping is treated as an amusing hobby, and not as an economic necessity.

Because there are no poor white people in America who shop at thrift stores.
 
2013-11-21 08:52:05 AM
I need to know something: Does it still make me old if I whine about how today's music is horrible compared to the music of <time period> if <time period> was more than a decade before I was born?
 
2013-11-21 08:54:51 AM

dookdookdook: I need to know something: Does it still make me old if I whine about how today's music is horrible compared to the music of <time period> if <time period> was more than a decade before I was born?


No silly.

It makes you racist.
 
2013-11-21 08:58:22 AM
Nice to see the lib rag Salon giving reverse racist lyrics a pass:

♪♫♪  I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see,
Then whitey he won't bother me.
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.

Then I'll get a white woman who's wearing a navy blue sweater.... ♪♫♪
 
2013-11-21 09:08:15 AM
"Harlem Shake" is an entirely different matter; the white DJ Baauer's sampling of a 2001 rap song by Plastic Little and a 2006 reggaton song by Héctor Delgado has little to say about the contemporary scene. It hit No. 1 on the charts thanks to endless videos made by people enthusiastically dancing to music sampled from minority artists without their permission.

This person cannot possibly be serious. Is this a joke?
 
2013-11-21 09:10:35 AM

sigdiamond2000: "Harlem Shake" is an entirely different matter; the white DJ Baauer's sampling of a 2001 rap song by Plastic Little and a 2006 reggaton song by Héctor Delgado has little to say about the contemporary scene. It hit No. 1 on the charts thanks to endless videos made by people enthusiastically dancing to music sampled from minority artists without their permission.

This person cannot possibly be serious. Is this a joke?


Does that make black hip hop artists Uncle Toms?  I'm very confused.
 
2013-11-21 09:12:19 AM
There's actual oppression and institutional racism out there, people.  You don't have to dig for racism into the lyrics of broke, teenaged Kiwis, pining for the lavish excess of the songs and videos she loves.

But I'm white: how can I possibly understand the need for gratuitous excess in hip-hop and the necessary exemption they must enjoy from any sort of criticism.
 
2013-11-21 09:34:20 AM
I don't see how The Final Countdown could be considered racist.
 
2013-11-21 09:35:33 AM

Diogenes: Does that make black hip hop artists Uncle Toms?


You know, "UNCLE TOMS" is an anagram of "MOLE coontS"

/Yes, I know it will get filtered.
 
2013-11-21 09:37:39 AM
What Racists may look like:
www.movieposter.com

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-21 09:40:34 AM

zedster: What Racists may look like:
[www.movieposter.com image 400x597]


I still use the phrase "big-ass biscuits" when referring to large,  bread-like edible carbohydrate lumps.  I use "big ass-biscuits" for what results afterwards.
 
2013-11-21 09:42:29 AM
 
2013-11-21 09:43:13 AM
Shut up and play that funky music, white boy.
 
2013-11-21 09:47:15 AM
I knew this would be a Salon or Slate article without even checking the link.

Seriously - they only seem to publish click bait anymore. Don't encourage them.

/"Just don't look, just don't look..."
 
2013-11-21 09:47:51 AM
"Though I'm not the first king of controversy
I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley, to do Black Music so selfishly
and use it to get myself wealthy (Hey)
there's a concept that works "

Without me, Eminem

/takes a seat over here
 
2013-11-21 09:48:14 AM
One of my favorite songs is about pedophilia.
Am I still supposed to feel bad?
 
2013-11-21 09:48:34 AM
FTFA:"Jay-Z and Kanye West, whose "Watch the Throne" album dealt at length with what it means to be among the wealthy in an inherently racist nation, are only two of the artists whose message is being distorted and flattened out by a mass audience laughing at how silly it is that rappers can afford and choose to buy luxury goods."

Right, not that listening to rich people complain about wealth and continuing to do over multiple albums is the issue.

There are other rapper and hip-hop artists out there with social messages and attacking a 17 year old from New Zealand for not understand the authors perceived version of US race relations is so ass backwards I don't know where to start.
 
2013-11-21 09:54:12 AM
 
2013-11-21 09:54:41 AM
@Daniel D'Addario are you drunk?
 
2013-11-21 09:54:45 AM
New Zealand native is specifically mocking the tropes of hip-hop when she sings about rejecting "Cristal, Maybach, diamonds on your timepiece / Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash."

We don't care.
 
2013-11-21 09:54:53 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.


Wait, is Macklemore not cool on Fark? Huh.
 
2013-11-21 09:55:50 AM

One Bad Apple: I am surprised Weird Al escaped their notice about getting rich by mocking black musicians.


They know better than to mess with someone who's white and nerdy.
 
2013-11-21 09:56:28 AM
Up next on Salon, "How Your Profession Makes You a Racist." And then, "How the Contents of Your Refrigerator Makes You a Racist."
 
2013-11-21 09:57:23 AM
That was...odd. It read like just argument by assertion that Kanye West is way better than you think because duh.
 
2013-11-21 09:58:25 AM
Pop music's race problem: How white artists profit from mocking hip-hop

closed window.
 
2013-11-21 09:58:49 AM
Salon

Stopped reading right there
 
2013-11-21 10:00:10 AM

offacue: Mothers Finest.  1976


Saw them open for Aerosmith back around 1980.

At the time I thought it was a pretty oddball pairing.

That would be a show I'd probably want to revisit today.
 
2013-11-21 10:00:30 AM

someonelse: Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.

Wait, is Macklemore not cool on Fark? Huh.


nothing is cool on Fark. Except Firefly and bacon. Everything else SUCKS!
 
2013-11-21 10:01:04 AM
I award the author no points, and may god have mercy on his soul.
 
2013-11-21 10:01:31 AM

someonelse: Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.

Wait, is Macklemore not cool on Fark? Huh.


Has he achieved broad popularity and financial success as an artist?  Then no, he's not cool on Fark.

/honestly doesn't know how successful Macklemore is
 
2013-11-21 10:02:25 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: One Bad Apple: I am surprised Weird Al escaped their notice about getting rich by mocking black musicians.

They know better than to mess with someone who's white and nerdy.


I've always liked the stuff that Weird Al wrote in the style of an artist more than the direct parodies.  "Dare to be Stupid" in the style of Devo and "Dog Eat Dog" in the style of Talking Heads are just great songs.  I can't really listen to his parody songs anymore, but that may be because I'm 34 years old now.
 
2013-11-21 10:02:44 AM

The Goddamn Batman: Up next on Salon, "How Your Profession Makes You a Racist." And then, "How the Contents of Your Refrigerator Makes You a Racist."


And then ironically "How reading Salon makes you a Racist"
 
2013-11-21 10:04:01 AM

someonelse: Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.

Wait, is Macklemore not cool on Fark? Huh.


Since I'm sure he doesn't own a tv and only listens to music on wax cylinders (to retain the purity of the recording, obviously), he probably just hasn't heard the songs yet.
 
2013-11-21 10:04:16 AM
Mainstream hip-hop had been in its "hair metal" stage for WAY too long now. In the future, everybody will look back and cringe.

"A common critique has been that the young New Zealand native is specifically mocking the tropes of hip-hop when she sings about rejecting "Cristal, Maybach, diamonds on your timepiece / Jet planes, islands, tigers on a gold leash."

This is a problem? We aren't allowed to criticize the trillion dollar commercial hip-hop gods now? fark off. We all love rap. We will call out bullshiat crap art where we see it. Don't farking tell me that name dropping brand-name luxury goods is a trope of hip-hop. I don't even think "trope" is used correctly here.
 
2013-11-21 10:05:34 AM
Salon and Slate are like they rounded up every liberal arts college dorm RA in the country and gave them a forum.
 
2013-11-21 10:07:20 AM

offacue: Mothers Finest.  1976


I love love love Mother's Finest! I've never met an American who had heard of them. From Funk Rock Georgia!
Thanks for the link. You must be German.
 
2013-11-21 10:07:46 AM
Wait, are Jay-Z and Kanye West above mocking because they're black?  Because I think anyone can agree, the longer there careers have gone on, the more over-the-top ridiculous both men have become.

Or is this author 13 years old, and doesn't realize that in popular music, one fad is usually replaced by something that is almost completely opposite of it.  For instance, in my time in tehe 90's, we had the positive rhymes of MC Hammer replaced by the violent, man-on-the-streets ghetto story telling of Snoop, Dre, and the LA scene, replaced later by Diddy and the view from the penthouse.
 
2013-11-21 10:08:30 AM
I'm sure The Tiger Lillies aren't racist unless it's funny.
 
2013-11-21 10:11:02 AM

BSABSVR: That was...odd. It read like just argument by assertion that Kanye West is way better than you think because duh.


Honestly, using an artist who thinks so much of himself as to name his album Yeezus (which is apparently some self-styled nickname based on Jesus) to show that hip-hop isn't all about self-centered artists who crave material wealth and status... not the best example.

Heck, one of the tracks is title 'I Am a God.' What a pompous douche.
 
2013-11-21 10:13:03 AM

INeedAName: BSABSVR: That was...odd. It read like just argument by assertion that Kanye West is way better than you think because duh.

Honestly, using an artist who thinks so much of himself as to name his album Yeezus (which is apparently some self-styled nickname based on Jesus) to show that hip-hop isn't all about self-centered artists who crave material wealth and status... not the best example.

Heck, one of the tracks is title 'I Am a God.' What a pompous douche.


As long as you're humble / We'll let you be the king of jungle
 
2013-11-21 10:15:21 AM
This is the trolliest article to ever troll for clicks...
 
2013-11-21 10:15:38 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: If any of those are your favorite songs you probably can't read this article in the first place.


Done in one. I think we can close this thread now.
 
2013-11-21 10:16:23 AM
I don't see much racism in mocking the gaudy.
 
2013-11-21 10:23:53 AM
"Royals" only got slammed by one blogger over at feministing, who basically wrote "I don't know anything about New Zealand, and can't be bothered researching it, and didn't pay attention to much of the song but this Kiwi girl should have had a deep and all encompassing understanding of all of US culture and history, and even though her song in part critiqued the dominance of US-based music she should have used US based references in her lyrics and made an effort to avoid offending any Americans at all"

She got promptly slammed for it by almost every commentator on feministing in an unusual display of unity.

She then wrote a second article slamming Lorde again, which went down like cholera on the ISS.
 
2013-11-21 10:24:34 AM

BilltheThrill: we had the positive rhymes of MC Hammer replaced by the violent, man-on-the-streets ghetto story telling of Snoop, Dre, and the LA scene


NWA formed, hit it big, and started to break up before MC Hammer ever hit the scene.
 
2013-11-21 10:25:56 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I don't see much racism in mocking the gaudy.


Yeah this.

They aren't mocking them for being black. They are mocking them for being superficial and obsessive over gettin' rich, biatch.

The irony is, the mockers are just as superficial.
 
2013-11-21 10:29:42 AM
The victim card must constantly be renewed.
 
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