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(ABC 27)   "Yeah I worked very hard. I worked 320 hours of overtime over the pay period and earned over $16,000 for my extra work"   (abc27.com) divider line 86
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2013-11-21 09:18:11 AM
"Wouldn't you come in town and do something for two weeks and get $19,000 and move on?" he said. "That's a pretty nice healthy paycheck for two week's work."

No, I'd stay and continue earning $9,500 a week. You sound poor, dummy
 
2013-11-21 09:19:00 AM
Oh, the desperate struggle to log hours of the unsalaried shlubs.
 
2013-11-21 09:19:11 AM
Even better is when they fake an injury, all the "disability" pay is tax free.
 
2013-11-21 09:19:47 AM
because Zimmerman's circumsion is gun control and a HOA too, amirite
 
2013-11-21 09:20:59 AM
Plenty of people I worked with in the oil patch were on the clock 168 hours a week. It's not that weird.

I would like to know how he made 80+320=400 hours fit into a two week period though. Time Lords shouldn't need money.
 
2013-11-21 09:21:11 AM
That's almost 29 hours a day for fourteen days.  No hero tag?
 
2013-11-21 09:21:20 AM

willfullyobscure: because Zimmerman's circumsion is gun control and a HOA too, amirite


I can't really see where you're wrong.
 
2013-11-21 09:21:51 AM
Is that a stupid way to pay an interim chief?  Yes.  You don't get paid for the hours you're on call, you only get paid if they call you.

Do I blame this guy for taking advantage of the way the system was set up?  No.  They told him he would get paid for those hours, and he did.  The city should be smarter than that.
 
2013-11-21 09:22:42 AM
320 hours of OT in a 336 hour period? I didn't know "overtime" was a synonym for embezzlement.
 
2013-11-21 09:23:07 AM
Sounds about right to me.

/attorney
 
2013-11-21 09:23:10 AM
Wait...
14 X 24 = 336
336 - 80 - 256

I know it is early for math and I have probably overlooked something, but how can you claim 320 hours of OT in two weeks when there are only 256 hours in that time period, time travel?
Do fire chiefs really need to time travel?
 
2013-11-21 09:23:27 AM
And yea, somebody can't math very good, because there's only 336 hours in two weeks.
 
2013-11-21 09:23:31 AM
local and state governments would be better off just paying a high hourly wage but no benefits or guaranteed employment. It would probably be better for the state's economy because they wouldn't be giving these people fat pensions that are then spent in a different state or even country. Pay a teacher 200 bucks an hour for the time they are there and that's it, pay a fireman a thousand bucks a call or whatever.

That said the political dynamic with the unions helps keep republicans in check so that would be a problem.
 
2013-11-21 09:23:38 AM
He was the fire chief, and he has to work those extra hours because his pants are on fire.
 
2013-11-21 09:24:18 AM
October 7th-20th is 14 total days.  There are 24*14=336 hours in those days.  Overtime is time above 40h/week, which in two weeks is 256 hours.  I don't know where they're getting this "320" figure.
 
2013-11-21 09:25:45 AM
"Many wonder why a cash-strapped city would allow...."

"We can't afford tax rates that are increasing," said Campbell, "and that's what's going to happen if this continues."
Tulley echoed those concerns.
"Nothing changes and nothing will change as long as they keep allowing such things to happen,"



Yeah,  I don't think it is too hard to figure out why this particular city has money problems.
 
2013-11-21 09:26:02 AM
You try that cop math shait on your time card here in Vermont and you best be moving to a state they don't know you in.

We fire state employees for that crap.
 
2013-11-21 09:26:37 AM

Farce-Side: Is that a stupid way to pay an interim chief?  Yes.  You don't get paid for the hours you're on call, you only get paid if they call you.

Do I blame this guy for taking advantage of the way the system was set up?  No.  They told him he would get paid for those hours, and he did.   The city should be smarter than that.


This is Harrisburg.  They are not the brightest candles on the cake.
 
2013-11-21 09:27:12 AM
Umm... Harrisburg is in receivership, bankrupt like Detroit. Where the hell is the money for his check coming from?
 
2013-11-21 09:27:52 AM
As a ff, I can understand getting paid for a 24 hour OT shift, (and there's never a guarantee of sleep), but that kind of money is beyond realistic and if the town is cash strapped, he should reconsider feeling entitled to money in that amount and feel inclined to return quite a bit of it. Kinda wonder if this is the whole story, too...
 
2013-11-21 09:28:56 AM
You should absolutely pay for an employee to be on call. It limits your options of what you can do for an evening. Having said that, it should be a fraction of your base pay, not overtime.
 
2013-11-21 09:29:43 AM
Concerning time traveling, how do you know the fire chief isn't really Van Dam?  Maybe Time Cop wasn't a movie but a documentary.  I bet the fire chief does splits all the time and cyclone kicks to put out fires.
 
2013-11-21 09:30:41 AM
Fireman = Hero

Shut your whore mouths.
 
2013-11-21 09:32:23 AM
The ex-chief even commented at the bottom, that this is not the first time the City of Harrisburg has done this.

Comments:
"Dig deeper 27 News, you will see that this happened TWICE in the last 2 to 3 years. Before Talloni stepped in as chief, they paid 2 "fill in" chiefs the same way. This is not the first time, so don't let them act surprised."
 
2013-11-21 09:32:38 AM

FullMetalPanda: Concerning time traveling, how do you know the fire chief isn't really Van Dam?  Maybe Time Cop wasn't a movie but a documentary.  I bet the fire chief does splits all the time and cyclone kicks to put out fires.


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That ain't chocolate you're smelling.
 
2013-11-21 09:33:30 AM
Well the check is cashed, so that money is gone. No wonder why Harrisburg is in such bad shape. I live near there, I see it for myself all the time.
 
2013-11-21 09:34:16 AM

funkadelic78: Wait...
14 X 24 = 336
336 - 80 - 256

I know it is early for math and I have probably overlooked something, but how can you claim 320 hours of OT in two weeks when there are only 256 hours in that time period, time travel?
Do fire chiefs really need to time travel?


As a fire chief myself, I would have to say that yes, yes we do. Unfortunately, my time machine is in the shop. I wonder if Obama will let me borrow his? I have some investments to line up time fires to put out.
 
2013-11-21 09:37:37 AM

wildcardjack: Umm... Harrisburg is in receivership, bankrupt like Detroit. Where the hell is the money for his check coming from?


=================

From  the little creditors who got stiffed by the bankruptcy settlement.  Duh.
 
2013-11-21 09:40:20 AM
From the article:  "In early October, Harrisburg Fire Chief Robert Talloni announced he was leaving for a professor job at a college in New Haven, Connecticut - his s home state."

Let me guess, he'll be teaching ethics.
 
2013-11-21 09:40:23 AM

factoryconnection: October 7th-20th is 14 total days.  There are 24*14=336 hours in those days.  Overtime is time above 40h/week, which in two weeks is 256 hours.  I don't know where they're getting this "320" figure.


Because that's how much overtime he claimed to work. Also, if I read the article correctly, overtime only kicks in after for him after working 80 hours in a week. So he's claiming he worked 400 hours in a two week period.
 
2013-11-21 09:41:13 AM
80 hours of regular work * $34 = $2,720
4 hours of actual Overtime * $52 = $208
252 hours of on-call O/T * $52 = 13,104
336 hours of pay at those rates = $16,032

Is it excessive?  Yes, because the policy that allowed interim chief to get paid that way is problematic.  However, the righteous indignation on the part of the city leaders is misplaced.

The interim chief submitted a time sheet according to the policy that was in force at the time he performed his duties.  If the city thinks it's excessive (and they do) then they need to change the policy (as it appears they now are).  Getting all whiny over his unwillingness to give the money back is just silly.
 
2013-11-21 09:42:15 AM
different areas have different amounts for the over time.  ie... anything over 40 in a week is 1.5.  anything over 120 is 2.0
 
2013-11-21 09:44:03 AM

FullMetalPanda: Concerning time traveling, how do you know the fire chief isn't really Van Dam?  Maybe Time Cop wasn't a movie but a documentary.  I bet the fire chief does splits all the time and cyclone kicks to put out fires.


Video of Fire Chief Van Damme with trucks, doing splits.
 
2013-11-21 09:44:23 AM
The good news is that his pension will (likely) be based on this salary, so he'll end up getting more when he retires than he ever got working.

As a local, allow me to say I hope his house burns down.
 
2013-11-21 09:45:54 AM
THIS is why I hate government. Try this with a business and they'd (rightfully) say: "Fark you. Oh, and you're fired for filing a false time sheet." But government is like: "Yeah, he pulled a fast one on us -- what can we do?! At least it's not OUR money."

Meanwhile, your taxes continue to climb a nickle here and a dime there.
 
2013-11-21 09:48:56 AM
I work in the City but live in one of the nice leafy townships east of here.

Harrisburg is a hellhole. This doesn't surprise me. My annual $52 LST goes to shenanigans like this.

But I always make sure I am across the city limits before sundown...and I never go through Allison Hill even during the day.
 
2013-11-21 09:53:39 AM

lockers: You should absolutely pay for an employee to be on call. It limits your options of what you can do for an evening. Having said that, it should be a fraction of your base pay, not overtime.


Absolutely. There have been many times when I was on call and I had to turn down invitations to do stuff that I would have otherwise done. Want to go camping that weekend? Nope. Big party? Well, one drink. Want to go to a movie or a play? Sure, but you risk getting called out in the middle. Oh, I guess I'll stay home.
 
2013-11-21 09:53:52 AM

GoodyearPimp: The good news is that his pension will (likely) be based on this salary, so he'll end up getting more when he retires than he ever got working.

As a local, allow me to say I hope his house burns down.


That's kind of the thing.  There is a long tradition of padding the living crap out of the final salary period for just that reason.  I"m sure there is a term for it.  I've seen this story come up again and again over the years.
 
2013-11-21 09:54:18 AM
I am guessing a government employee?

Clicks article

Yep, how did I know?
 
2013-11-21 09:54:35 AM
Let's talk about the outgoing Chief's pay. Let's guess he started when he was 21. 34 years later he's 55. No doubt the reason he left is he's now eligible for close to 100% pay. Let's say it's 90%. Would you continue to work for 10 cents on the dollar? One thing about public service, the retirement pay is a sweet deal.
 
2013-11-21 09:57:07 AM

fireclown: GoodyearPimp: The good news is that his pension will (likely) be based on this salary, so he'll end up getting more when he retires than he ever got working.

As a local, allow me to say I hope his house burns down.

That's kind of the thing.  There is a long tradition of padding the living crap out of the final salary period for just that reason.  I"m sure there is a term for it.  I've seen this story come up again and again over the years.


No worries, the we'll just tax rich people, they won't mind.
 
2013-11-21 09:57:21 AM
If you had a time machine it would be a hell of a lot easier to make money.
 
2013-11-21 09:58:36 AM

lockers: You should absolutely pay for an employee to be on call. It limits your options of what you can do for an evening. Having said that, it should be a fraction of your base pay, not overtime.


I say if you don't want to be on call, don't take a job that requires it.

Simple as that
 
2013-11-21 09:59:11 AM

funkadelic78: Wait...
14 X 24 = 336
336 - 80 - 256

I know it is early for math and I have probably overlooked something, but how can you claim 320 hours of OT in two weeks when there are only 256 hours in that time period, time travel?
Do fire chiefs really need to time travel?


Umm, yes! Haven't you seen backdraft? Someone has to start the fire and Billy Joel made it very clear it wasn't him.
 
2013-11-21 09:59:37 AM

dantheman195: lockers: You should absolutely pay for an employee to be on call. It limits your options of what you can do for an evening. Having said that, it should be a fraction of your base pay, not overtime.

I say if you don't want to be on call, don't take a job that requires it.

Simple as that


How very bootstrappy of you.
 
2013-11-21 10:02:38 AM

dantheman195: lockers: You should absolutely pay for an employee to be on call. It limits your options of what you can do for an evening. Having said that, it should be a fraction of your base pay, not overtime.

I say if you don't want to be on call, don't take a job that requires it.

Simple as that


Enjoy high turnover and low productivity!
 
2013-11-21 10:08:57 AM
320 hours of overtime in two weeks?
 
2013-11-21 10:11:02 AM
Has anyone blamed the tea party, yet?  In first.
 
2013-11-21 10:14:18 AM

Carn: If you had a time machine it would be a hell of a lot easier to make money.


With my luck, I would load up on the Giants, and Tyree would not make the catch.
 
2013-11-21 10:16:59 AM
320 hours of overtime in two weeks?
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