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(Anchorage Daily News)   If you're a double-amputee riding a motorized scooter at a Walmart and you brought your service dog and a gun with you and you happen to get into a fight with the assistant manager...you know what? This story is getting too weird, I'm stopping here   (adn.com) divider line 48
    More: Followup, Walmart, service dog, assistant director, motorized shopping cart, Daniel Pirtle  
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2013-11-20 10:31:56 PM
7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.
 
2013-11-21 12:53:58 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-21 05:33:47 AM
TFA lacks details.  It says the dog had a lengthy recovery.  Did the Walmart manager injure the dog?  Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon, but makes it understandable.
 
2013-11-21 05:35:25 AM

CivicMindedFive: TFA lacks details.  It says the dog had a lengthy recovery.  Did the Walmart manager injure the dog?  Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon, but makes it understandable.


Never mind, I can't read at 5:30am.  It says Mahi, the victim.  I assumed that was the dog.  What kind of name is Mahi anyway.
 
2013-11-21 05:38:05 AM

CivicMindedFive: What kind of name is Mahi anyway.


sounds fishy to me
 
2013-11-21 05:38:47 AM

CivicMindedFive: CivicMindedFive: TFA lacks details.  It says the dog had a lengthy recovery.  Did the Walmart manager injure the dog?  Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon, but makes it understandable.

Never mind, I can't read at 5:30am.  It says Mahi, the victim.  I assumed that was the dog.  What kind of name is Mahi anyway.


At least they didn't name the dog Bill.
 
2013-11-21 05:55:45 AM
Sorry subby, but this normal for Walmart.
 
2013-11-21 05:56:39 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry subby, but this normal for Walmart.


I'm surprised the guy didn't have to shoot anyone to get one of the motorized carts. I've seen literal fights over them at the wally world by my house.
 
2013-11-21 06:08:47 AM

untaken_name: drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry subby, but this normal for Walmart.

I'm surprised the guy didn't have to shoot anyone to get one of the motorized carts. I've seen literal fights over them at the wally world by my house.


I've heard of those. At least one from Texts from last night said that after a few minutes both women had to stop because they were out of breathe.
/410 pounds and I can walk just fine thank you very much.
//Down from 420 in August.
/// Would have lost more but my college mandatory health class is about weight lifting. However I can now lift almost double what I use to.
 
2013-11-21 06:09:22 AM
Is it an actual service dog-dog, or run of the mill dog?
 
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2013-11-21 06:10:45 AM

randomarrangement: CivicMindedFive: What kind of name is Mahi anyway.

sounds fishy to me


That joke was coming tuna or later.
 
2013-11-21 06:18:10 AM

randomarrangement: CivicMindedFive: What kind of name is Mahi anyway.

sounds fishy to me


Mahi? MAHI?!

/couldn't resist
 
2013-11-21 06:22:25 AM
the801,

Walmart managers don't make $10 per hour.  They actually do quite well.
 
2013-11-21 06:23:10 AM
Subby, you could have just wrote "the best thing to happen to a Walmart employee, ever ,has."
 
2013-11-21 06:25:23 AM

Shirley Ujest: Is it an actual service dog-dog, or run of the mill dog?


Most people I've seen with service dogs almost never let them off-leash in public, because they don't want anything to happen to the dog, nevermind shooting someone because they have the temerity to ask you leash the dog.
 
2013-11-21 06:41:56 AM
the service dog was caught with pants around ankles masturbating in the women's bathroom.
 
2013-11-21 06:48:35 AM

Shirley Ujest: Is it an actual service dog-dog, or run of the mill dog?


I can't find much about whether the dog is a service dog, but one of the articles says it was a light brown young puppy, a basset/coonhound mix, which he says is 5 months old named "Wookie".  His care worker drove him and said even his collar was left at home.  He says he doesn't use a leash because the dog will wrap it around his prosthetic legs and trip him.  If it is a service dog, it sounds like it isn't far along in training at all.
 
2013-11-21 07:18:06 AM
Another responsible dog owner....
 
2013-11-21 07:24:24 AM
I worked at Wal-Mart.  The cool stuff always happens on your day off, but I was told a story of such cool stuff that happened one of the days that I was off.

I worked at a Wal-Mart in upstate South Carolina, outside a good sized normal city but located just at the edge of what, without mincing words, would basically be your standard hick town.  A guy came to our department (Electronics) looking for the latest Wrestlemania DVD.  Either we didn't have it because it had sold out, or it wasn't even out yet (I believe Tuesday is release day for stuff like DVDs).  He got really pissed off, kicked up a fuss, and basically ended up getting escorted out on the scooter with the manager on one side and the store manager on the other.  When they got to the parking lot, the police had arrived, and he had to get out of his scooter and then start walking across the parking lot to his car.  At some point during this walk of shame, he somehow physically assaulted the policeman (I think kicked him), which swiftly resulted in him getting tackled, pepper sprayed and handcuffed on the asphalt in front of the store.

Classic People of Wal-Mart incident, all over Wrestlemania.
 
2013-11-21 07:26:23 AM

ErinPac: Shirley Ujest: Is it an actual service dog-dog, or run of the mill dog?

I can't find much about whether the dog is a service dog, but one of the articles says it was a light brown young puppy, a basset/coonhound mix, which he says is 5 months old named "Wookie".  His care worker drove him and said even his collar was left at home.  He says he doesn't use a leash because the dog will wrap it around his prosthetic legs and trip him.  If it is a service dog, it sounds like it isn't far along in training at all.


"Service" dogs are often simply companions for the type of guy that would have a shoot out in a Walmart. No special training is required.
 
2013-11-21 07:36:08 AM

the801: 7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.



The proper answer is a lawsuit or a call to corporate, not a shooting.

ErinPac: If it is a service dog, it sounds like it isn't far along in training at all.


From what I know about proper service dog training, you get at least a teen-ager equivalent.  A puppy is a bit like expecting an 8 year old to successfully run a restaurant grill.  The dog described should still be in the hands of the trainers.
 
2013-11-21 07:46:02 AM

the801: 7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.


Wow. I do hope you are a troll and not just a terrible pile of crap.
 
2013-11-21 07:51:16 AM
Pleaded guilty. So, there's that.
 
2013-11-21 07:56:05 AM
Once again, a company falls victim to yet another useless Affirmative Action hire.
 
2013-11-21 07:58:55 AM
An unleashed, untrained 5-month-old puppy is not a "service animal." It's a farking pet.
 
2013-11-21 08:14:37 AM

the801: 7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.


Speaking of bitter and wanting to feel all powerful.
 
2013-11-21 08:29:03 AM

the801: 7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.


An unleashed puppy is not a service dog. All the guy asked him to do was leash the mutt. Yeah totes deserves to be shot.
 
2013-11-21 08:33:47 AM

CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon


Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.
 
2013-11-21 08:45:28 AM

doglover: CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon

Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.


It's a puppy. It's not a service dog.
 
2013-11-21 08:48:38 AM
What's with this service animal thing lately anyhow? 5 years ago they were rare, now I see perfectly ambulatory, sighted people who are able to carry conversations on phones walking through grocery stores with dogs that have service animal harnesses. Do you get to call a dog a service animal because you're lonely now or something?
 
2013-11-21 08:53:32 AM
I'm all for gun rights, but just from a logistical standpoint, wouldn't a motorized scooter be a really unstable firing platform, especially for someone who doesn't have full legs? I suppose the guy deserves some credit for attempting to provide for his own self-defense, but methinks he needs a new weapon of choice.

And that's not even getting into the specifics of this incident. There's no way that dog had finished being certified as a service animal, and pulling a weapon on someone (to say nothing of actually using it) for merely asking that the dog be leashed is totally uncalled for.
 
2013-11-21 08:53:33 AM

doglover: CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon

Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.


Where in the article does it say that the manager injured the dog?
 
2013-11-21 08:58:09 AM

dr_blasto: What's with this service animal thing lately anyhow? 5 years ago they were rare, now I see perfectly ambulatory, sighted people who are able to carry conversations on phones walking through grocery stores with dogs that have service animal harnesses. Do you get to call a dog a service animal because you're lonely now or something?


Some service animals are for people with mobility problems, and those problems aren't always obvious to onlookers. I've got no problem there.

The loneliness thing is only supposed to be for people whose mental illness is truly crippling. Obviously there's some fudge factor that gets abused here, but I'm not sure whether or not to be annoyed by that. If you're so attached to your dog that you try to get yourself declared as having a crippling mental illness just so that you can keep the animal around, maybe you really do have a crippling mental illness.
 
2013-11-21 09:16:06 AM

mutterfark: doglover: CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon

Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.

Where in the article does it say that the manager injured the dog?


It doesn't. That's not what happened at all. And frankly, Stumpy belongs in jail, probably.

But IF someone is capable of hurting a service dog, or even just a dog that's not attacking or otherwise inviting doom, they are a horrible person and nobody will miss them.
 
2013-11-21 09:20:52 AM

doglover: CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon

Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.


The mentally unstable guy with the guns, who had apparently stopped taking his medication, claimed that the dog was kicked, but it doesn't actually sound like the dog was injured.
Over the past two weeks, Pirtle had become irritable, Griffith said. "He has mental instabilities. He had medication that I believe he had quit taking."
[...]
That night, Pirtle told the story to his nephew, Joseph, over the phone. Pirtle said he told the manager the dog tends to wrap around his prosthetics legs, tripping him, when leashed, the nephew said.

"Danny said the manager started pushing him out of the store and kicking the dog," Joseph Pirtle said.
[...]
Police drove Wookie, a light-brown basset hound and coonhound mix, to Griffith's apartment after the shooting.

By Monday afternoon, the dog had been transferred to Anchorage Animal Care and Control Center, said spokeswoman Brooke Taylor. When a dog's owner is arrested or hospitalized, the city takes the animal into "protective custody," she said.
 
2013-11-21 09:30:42 AM

dr_blasto: What's with this service animal thing lately anyhow? 5 years ago they were rare, now I see perfectly ambulatory, sighted people who are able to carry conversations on phones walking through grocery stores with dogs that have service animal harnesses. Do you get to call a dog a service animal because you're lonely now or something?


I drove para-transit for a bus service for a bit, and this lady came on with a "service cat" (because cat's are so frickin' helpful) that essentially amounted to a living plush-toy.  It was "for comfort" and to help alleviate negative stress.

Just as well I liked cats, because the whole thing seemed pretty ridiculous.  But we were trained to never question the needs or disabilities, which is probably smart policy.
 
2013-11-21 09:38:34 AM

doglover: mutterfark: doglover: CivicMindedFive: Did the Walmart manager injure the dog? Doesn't justify assault with a deadly weapon

Yes it does.

A man who would injure a service dog on purpose can be safely shot down on the spot and history will remember the shooter kindly.

Where in the article does it say that the manager injured the dog?

It doesn't. That's not what happened at all. And frankly, Stumpy belongs in jail, probably.

But IF someone is capable of hurting a service dog, or even just a dog that's not attacking or otherwise inviting doom, they are a horrible person and nobody will miss them.


Actually I agree with that. I just wanted to be sure there wasn't a story with more info that I missed.

I mentioned in the 'last hug' thread that I don't have pets because of an incident when I was 12. Farking neighbor poisoned the cat I'd had since I was 4. I will never be able to forget watching Blue die horribly. If I could I would shoot that prick in the face.
 
2013-11-21 09:42:39 AM

BSABSVR: the801: 7+ years for having a service dog and having some punk piss all over your rights re:that. i generally hate violence, but in this case i'm totally ok with it.

'rrr, i'm bitter, and i'm all-powerful because i'm wal-mart management and i make $10 an hour. look, some cripple in my store. i'm better than him, and i'm going to make sure he knows it.'

fark that guy.

Speaking of bitter and wanting to feel all powerful.


"I hate violence, but..." is the new "I'm not a racist, but..."
I mean, I'm a peaceful guy, and I generally abhor violence, but if someone looks at me funny, they are gonna kiss the curb.
 
2013-11-21 10:12:27 AM
Alaska.

This explains it all.
 
2013-11-21 10:14:49 AM
WAT
 
2013-11-21 10:16:49 AM
Walmart employees made no announcement about the shooting, and shoppers in other parts of the store were unaware of what had happened, witnesses said.

I don't understand why this is part of the story? What do they expect? "Attention Wal Mart shoppers - We're running a special for the next 20 minutes on candied lard bites. 2 for the price of 1 in aisle 6. We're also giving everyone 10% off on diabetic supplies, which are located in aisles 25-35. Oh, and  a guy on a mobility scooter just shot one of our employees, but the situation is under control. Thank you for shopping Wal Mart, and if you have any spare change or canned goods, please give them to one of our many associates who are trying to raise a family on minimum wage with no benefits. We're desperately trying to keep them from rioting or, even worse, unionizing. Thank you, and have a great day!"
 
2013-11-21 11:30:50 AM

dr_blasto: What's with this service animal thing lately anyhow? 5 years ago they were rare, now I see perfectly ambulatory, sighted people who are able to carry conversations on phones walking through grocery stores with dogs that have service animal harnesses. Do you get to call a dog a service animal because you're lonely now or something?


Ambulatory, sighted, talking, with a service dog? That's me.

Until I have a seizure.

Always assume a well-behaved, properly-identified, leashed animal is a working one.  You can't simply tell by looking at me that I have uncontrolled seizures; but my dog Mia can, and gives me ample warning so I can be comfortably settled before one strikes.

In this case, the man should have had the puppy leashed before taking it inside. Too many things in a store can injure or frighten a dog. If he's leashed, he can safely explore and examine areas around the cart without getting into trouble.

Properly ID'd, leashed puppies must go into stores so that they become socialized to the general chaos of shopping. By 'puppy' I mean one that is at least 6 months old and has had its full vaccine schedule completed.
 
2013-11-21 11:36:00 AM
This story is not really about dogs anyway, it's about untreated mental instability mixed with lethal weaponry. And it sounds like the mental instability was a result of losing both his legs because of untreated diabetes, so there might be a couple of possible root causes for this violent, almost deadly confrontation.

On the plus side, in prison he will maybe get the medication he needs, perhaps. Or his mental instability will make him lash out and get him put in isolation, which will exacerbate the problem and keep him in a vicious circle of mental torture for years and years, so either way, everybody wins! Hey, that's not right...
 
2013-11-21 12:54:35 PM
Kinda talking out my ass without having done the proper research here, but if I recall correctly there are service animals (almost universally dogs) that have undergone a strict training program to assist the disabled, and are rather hard to get. They can basically, by law, be brought into just about any type of establishment the public can visit because they've been very highly trained and won't lose their sh*t because people are making a fuss. There are also 'emotional support animals' which require zero training and can be any old pet you chose, from aardvark to zebra. In many states they have exceptions made for housing (landlord says you can't have pets but are required to make exceptions for support animals), but do not enjoy the greater protections that service animals do. Sounds like this was a support animal. I'm sure these criteria vary greatly from state to state. Please correct me.

/But keep your damn dog on a leash if you're not in your home, a dog park, or the wilderness.
 
2013-11-21 02:25:14 PM

CivicMindedFive: What kind of name is Mahi anyway.


It's probably a good thing I don't have kids. If that were my last name, I would be tempted to name my son or daughter Mahi. I haven't thought far enough ahead for a clever middle name to go along with that.

Why yes, I do listen to Johnny Cash, why do you ask?


Also...

randomarrangement: CivicMindedFive: What kind of name is Mahi anyway.
sounds fishy to me


I sea what you did there.
 
2013-11-21 05:04:07 PM
"You gots a MAN now, Bess!  You gots....Po'gie!"
 
2013-11-21 08:12:43 PM
I work at a small VA office that specializes in Voc Rehab. We had a veteran come in who needed to use our computer to apply for benefits, so I got him into our tiny computer room (literally, it's smaller than a walk-in closet and will trigger claustrophia in some people) and got him all set up. Then the woman who accompanied him, said "I need to bring his service dog in." "Well, it's kinda cramped in here, but okay, bring on the pooch."

The service dog was a gigantic Great Dane. He took up all the available space, so the woman and I had to leave the room so we wouldn't run out of oxygen.

/ He was a sweet dog, though. Very well-behaved.
 
2013-11-22 04:06:13 AM

MFAWG: It's a puppy. It's not a service dog.


Still true though.

dr_blasto: What's with this service animal thing lately anyhow? 5 years ago they were rare, now I see perfectly ambulatory, sighted people who are able to carry conversations on phones walking through grocery stores with dogs that have service animal harnesses. Do you get to call a dog a service animal because you're lonely now or something?


My local area has a group that trains them.  Of course their harnesses don't say 'service animal' it says 'service animal in training'.  Other than that there's some groups that are using them to assist veterans suffering from PTSD - the dog can help keep them from having an attack, and there are also dogs trained to assist people that suffer from seizures.  Somehow they can tell when a seizure is coming on and warn the person.  Some will even drag the seizing person to a clear spot, lay on them to prevent injury, etc...

Millennium: I'm all for gun rights, but just from a logistical standpoint, wouldn't a motorized scooter be a really unstable firing platform, especially for someone who doesn't have full legs? I suppose the guy deserves some credit for attempting to provide for his own self-defense, but methinks he needs a new weapon of choice.


Derringers were a thing through history, the average self-defense shooting is under 7 yards.  You don't need a highly stable firing platform for a handgun, especially at that range.
 
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