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(Yahoo)   "He called my nephew a nasty name and my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth. I'm proud of my nephew for doing that." Says one parent in an Iowa town where parents have rallied to defend the bullying of an autistic child   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 111
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2013-11-20 05:39:11 PM  
10 votes:
1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.
2013-11-20 06:17:28 PM  
9 votes:
Wow, sometimes Farkers surprise me still. I expect snarkiness and general sarcastic misanthropy, but I often see a lot of love and understanding that makes me think more of the community than I should, I guess.

Take a kid with an autism spectrum disorder, and start winding him up, then see what happens as this socially awkward kid begins "asking for it.

Now do this for days on end with no protection from the people in authority. Thjen blame 3/4 of it on the kid.

I dealt with bullying, and it took me "Cole cocking" someone to finally get some F'n respect and to reduce the bullying to manageable levels (though it had nothing to do with an autism disorder and everything to do with appearance).

I took kids like this under my wing and defended them. I stood between them and the bullies (physically at times) when I could, but I couldn't always be there and they still got hurt.

Have some farking compassion.
2013-11-20 05:02:06 PM  
7 votes:
Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.
2013-11-20 04:48:16 PM  
6 votes:
Sometimes a special child needs to be reminded that he ain't THAT special.
2013-11-20 04:39:33 PM  
6 votes:
Wait, is Cole the name of the kid, or an unintentionally capitalized and misspelled word?

There's a huge difference between "my nephew cold-cocked him in the mouth" vs. "my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth"
2013-11-20 07:49:32 PM  
5 votes:

ReverendJynxed: JoieD'Zen: ReverendJynxed: Omahawg: ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.

as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?

We didn't. This is hell.

In the 70's it was still OK to say that people were awkward or just retarded.
Btw, I was checked recently for using the word 'tranny' to describe, wait for it, a transsexual! Times change.

We can still call them freaks though right?


I'm not going to take umbrage, because it's just not getting a certain point... it's a learning disability. Autism isn't JUST social cues (although that's a big manifestation). Disciplining autistic children is tricky, because a spank/slap/punch whatever corporal punishment doesn't work well. They don't get it. The whole chain of causality and learned behavior doesn't follow the same track as with other children. Survival skills as you put it... well, they aren't completely there. Sure, they don't want to get hurt, they want to survive, but they may not understand consequence right away. And with the more nuanced human interactions, they might not ever get certain consequences and contexts. So in the case of making "rude remarks" and then getting beaten for them... autistic people's thought processes would be something like "i respond to certain people and they randomly hit me... i'd avoid them, but they keep coming up to me and talking to me. i don't like talking to them." they have so much going on in their head that they might walk into traffic because they forgot that moving cars hurt. i mean seriously. consequence and association don't stick too well for autistic people. yes, they have emotions, and yes they can be little shiatheads like the rest of us, but as a parent or instructor, you have to really go over the rules on what to do and not to do and spend a lot of time reinforcing the correct behaviors until stuff becomes unthinking and second nature. i haven't watched the video, but i'm sure there's things the kid did that brought this stuff on, and he has to be trained to avoid doing. but as a parent, you're not going to know if you don't see it. if teachers are seeing it, then they should be reporting back to the parent on things the boy is doing so he can learn not to do them. he won't magically do the right thing on his own. and it's up to the teachers to instruct the other children on what's going on with the poor guy, so they can realize that he's not just some bastard bad-mouthing them. if they don't understand that, that's the fault of the teachers.

the parents are sort of assholes for sticking up for their kids and being ignorant about aspergers and autism, but it's understandable at least. the parents aren't going to necessarily know all of these interactions or how bad or severe it is unless they're monitoring him in class frequently (which would curtain the bad behavior from the other students anyways).

the real breakdown is the school. the school is mainstreaming, so they need to be sensitive to that forced interaction. they should be watching instead of ignoring. and when problems arise, they need to be addressing the breakdown instead of defending it
2013-11-20 06:41:15 PM  
5 votes:
"He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth," resident Jamie Harrison wrote to the station. "I'm proud of my nephew for doing that."

That's criminal assault and battery no matter where, or what the circumstances, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No excuses accepted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."
The principal's decision was defended by School Board President Bob Lepley, who told the station, "I stand by our principal. ... According to his investigation I'll have to stand by him."


School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.
2013-11-20 06:12:09 PM  
5 votes:

netizencain: Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up. Because that's just AMERICA


OR- maybe he doesn't belong in class with a bunch of 13 year old boys who aren't going to be very capable of understanding the nuance of a peer who can't control his behavior vs one who simply does not want to control his behavior. Maybe the boy with the issues should be segregated so the normal children can learn in a less disruptive environment.
2013-11-20 11:23:17 PM  
4 votes:

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.


It still amazes me that the two KIDS involved in this mess told the autistic kid 'Hey, we're sorry we didn't realize that bugged you" and they've probably moved on; meanwhile, here on Fark, adults with the insensitivity and intelligence of a sack of nonfunctioning doorknobs are still going on and on about how autistic kids really aren't as autistic as all that and just need to learn a few manners and how to deal with the brutalities of life.

Kind of makes you wonder who the autistic kids really are, and who the bullies are, and who really need a shot in the mouth for the good of their souls.
2013-11-20 08:17:24 PM  
4 votes:

Gyrfalcon: However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.


Don't read it. I just finished and I think I feel emptier than I did at the start.

Lack of empathy is rather sickening.
2013-11-20 06:22:32 PM  
4 votes:

spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.
2013-11-20 06:22:24 PM  
4 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Asperger's is not shorthand for social awkwardness. It's a real thing. You may be referring to the sad fact that it's over diagnosed, but I don't think it is clear that that is the case here. It is not stated anywhere explicitly in the articles, but it seems clear that the kid's condition is well known and longstanding in the school and community, so it is probably safe to assume that the kid has an individual education plan (IEP) that requires the school to accommodate him. In this case, the tard-admitting has already occurred, and the question of consequences is now one in which his disorder must be taken into account.

Regarding whether he should be mainstreamed or not, Asperger's is tough because the kid is entitled to the same education as everyone else. By far the cheapest and most effective way to do that is to keep him in the classroom and educate the teachers and students as to his condition.

But assuming his condition is already known, all that is moot. FTA:
"The school's principal wrote Null's mother an email saying the behavior documented in the video does not amount to bullying. Nonetheless, two of the students were disciplined and the video was reportedly deleted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves.""

Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.
2013-11-20 06:19:11 PM  
4 votes:
We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible  is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.

As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.

I didn't see the video in question, but I suspect if that many kids are saying something, then perhaps this issue isn't as cut and dry as all you farking white knights want to believe. Lets ask more questions before we hop on the butt hurt bandwagon. If the kid is actually innocent, then by all means shiat needs to get things done.

Either way, I am glad some of the kids are trying (at the behest of the parents probably) to try to socialize with the kid. I can't imagine what school must be like for him.
2013-11-20 06:09:17 PM  
4 votes:
He might have Aspergers now, but once he finishes school he'll just be another mouth-breathing dipshiat.

You might as well let him get used to it.
2013-11-20 06:02:51 PM  
4 votes:
sometimes insolent little shiats need to get hit in the mouth.
here's betting that he needles others constantly because nobody will discipline him.
2013-11-20 04:30:43 PM  
4 votes:
People don't just become assholes when they reach adulthood.  Maybe Levi Null is a dick who needs to be punched in the head.
2013-11-20 10:08:13 PM  
3 votes:

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.


in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.
2013-11-20 08:34:38 PM  
3 votes:
Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.
2013-11-20 08:23:15 PM  
3 votes:

Infernalist: JohnnyApocalypse: Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.

Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?

To a degree, sure.  The answer's somewhere in the middle ground.  But as a parent of three kids, if some other kid went out of his way to verbally abuse my own kids, I'm okay with him retaliating.  Kids fight.  It's not the end of the world for either one of them if someone comes home with a black eye or bloody lip because he got smart-mouthed at some other kid.  Maybe it'll teach him to control himself, and if not, then the autistic kid's parents need to determine if keeping their out of control kid in school is good for him or not.


So the autistic kid has to be locked away for calling names (which warrants a punch to the face) uncontrollably, but the other kids don't have to be locked away for calling him names because they know how to punch people in the face instead of calling names back?


That is clearly retarded of you to say. But don't worry, I won't ask that you be sequestered from society or beaten for your disability.
2013-11-20 07:56:47 PM  
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Wow, you are hateful today.

Why do we draw perfect lines between sane and insane, retarded and normal? I mean I see some cases where the line helps serve a purpose, but as individuals we don't need to treat one another like the lines are hard and fast.

You there, with the 66 IQ, you are completely responsible for your livelihood. You should be able to earn a good living and make smart decisions.

You there, with the 65 IQ, you are not.


And you mike, you are just barely developed enough to benefit from time spent with normal kids, so as a result we expect you to perform as well as them in every respect.


Sorry BM, but the messed up need exposure to normality without deserving the bullying that perhaps could be justified at a stretch as good behavioral training for a normal kid.

My motto: Be glad you aren't more than you may be, and try to accept/forgive/ignore/help with the farked-upness of others.
2013-11-20 07:12:56 PM  
3 votes:

Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.


Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.
2013-11-20 07:06:08 PM  
3 votes:

netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!


a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.
2013-11-20 06:09:52 PM  
3 votes:
Two things:

1) If everyone is already taunting the kid why punch him when he talks back? You're already winning the insult race, getting offended when he slings some back is lame.

2) They admit seventy-five percent of the time the kid brings it on himself. Meaning one out of four abuses is unprovoked predation.

"The kid was a jerk," is a valid excuse in some cases. Here it just sounds like a town inhabited entirely by jerks.
2013-11-20 06:09:08 PM  
3 votes:
Oh, and this school is about to learn how the internet works....
2013-11-20 06:02:48 PM  
3 votes:

netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!


What was the name?  I'm pretty sure that there are some ethnic/racial/sexual orientation slurs that even Aspergers kids know they shouldn't say.  If this Cole was say, African American, and called a n***er, or openly gay and called a f****t, I'm pretty sure no one would have a problem with him punching this kid in the mouth, no matter how "special" he is.  And this probably wasn't the first, second, or even fifth time this kid has mouthed off.  I don't know about the rest of it, but, the punch in the mouth sounds like it was probably earned.
2013-11-20 06:02:23 PM  
3 votes:
n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?
2013-11-20 06:00:02 PM  
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.


as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.
2013-11-20 05:47:34 PM  
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


even if that kid is an ass or is a tard, Cole cocking him in the mouth because he says some shiat isn't appropriate behavior. I think. Really, I'm not sure what Cole cocking is. We should track down Nate Goof and ask him.
2013-11-20 05:20:01 PM  
3 votes:
"I would say three-fourths of this stuff he brings on himself and probably a fourth of it is bullying that shouldn't be going on," said Levi Weatherly, father of the teen accused of posting the video online.

The kid brings it on himself by acting all retarded!
2013-11-21 12:23:06 AM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.


so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?
2013-11-20 11:35:54 PM  
2 votes:

lack of warmth: So, you are part of the 'punch someone in the face over words' crowd.  Got it.


Heck, most FARKers are part of the "punch someone in the face for following you" crowd, judging by their continuous defense of Trayvon Martin.
2013-11-20 11:35:31 PM  
2 votes:

ReapTheChaos: I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.


And that's because you're wrong. You don't get it. IF (the big 'if') autistic kids really aren't autistic, then ya, teaching them without kid gloves is probably a good thing. They gotta learn the school of hard knocks, and good parents are around in case the knocks get too hard. And these non-autistic autistics would be weaned into learning that milking some condition just aint gonna cut it.

But I suspect you've never been around a real autistic person, or at least one who has any kind of severe impairment. Because they come in all sorts of flavors (hence why it's termed a spectrum disorder), some are more readily able to relate to the world. It may take them longer to "get it" but they eventually do. And yeah, the real world is rough, so easing them into that real world without false expectations is good. But severe ones? Good luck with tough love. The dark side of autism, especially in males (though I heard that it can happen with females) is the same thing that prevents them from modulating sensory experiences, or understanding emotional modulations, also prevents them from modulating exertion when in fight or flight. You fight with an autistic person, it's all in. Even the smallest autistic person seem to be "unnaturally strong". It's they fight with all their body until exhaustion. Ones with poor motor control seem to be just spasming around until you get cold cocked when they connect. (Oh shoot, I used it correctly). The point of me expressing that is, these kids don't know the fire they're playing with. This kid gets hit and bullied enough, he's gonna possibly break their faces if he decides to retaliate. You have an autistic child that you use "tough love" on? You're gonna teach him the lesson that might enforces right, and if he feels he's right, he's gonna throw it back on you. In essence, if you teach an autistic that hitting is an acceptable expression of anger, that's what he or she will do in spades.
2013-11-20 08:19:25 PM  
2 votes:

umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.


My oldest son, who suffers from ASD, is, by far, the best and brightest. His problem is two-fold: not only does he suffer from the trappings of not being able to fully grasp social cues, but the other, "non-tard" kids that you think of as the best and brightest, are just freakin' dumb compared to him. As a result, they find him weird and bullyable.

So your answer is to take the brightest mind in his peer group and put him in a room far away from the round pegs in their nice round holes? That's not helpful to my son or society at large.
2013-11-20 07:59:57 PM  
2 votes:

Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.


Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?
2013-11-20 07:54:18 PM  
2 votes:
The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.
2013-11-20 07:53:45 PM  
2 votes:
I just find it interesting that every other story about schools lately has involved kids being suspended for making a gun motion with their finger, or drawing a picture of a gun and getting suspended for just about everything except breathing, but this principal thinks the kids should police themselves in his school.
2013-11-20 07:16:04 PM  
2 votes:

ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.


as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?
2013-11-20 07:10:19 PM  
2 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.


That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.
2013-11-20 07:09:58 PM  
2 votes:

JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.


Hasn't stop you.
2013-11-20 07:04:40 PM  
2 votes:

netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.


It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.
2013-11-20 07:01:04 PM  
2 votes:

RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.


I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.
2013-11-20 07:00:38 PM  
2 votes:

Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


That's the point.  Aspergers is a disease which hinders a persons ability for social interaction.


Also "He brought it on himself" ?  Really?  Did anybody ask that guy what he thinks of women who dress in attractive clothes?
2013-11-20 06:54:06 PM  
2 votes:

PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".
2013-11-20 06:53:08 PM  
2 votes:

Randki: We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.


They have video of him getting a fair amount of shiat in class when he is doing nothing to deserve it.

They clearly aren't preventing bullying.


Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


I am nto saying he is an angel, but if the school looks at a video like that and says it comes down to the kids, then there is something very farked up.
2013-11-20 06:52:12 PM  
2 votes:

skozlaw: spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?

Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.


No, our educational system suffers because half the country thinks ignorance is just fine, and an overlapping half would rather tank the future of the country than pay another nickel of tax. The overdiagnosis of special needs kids is a big problem, but it's roots are in trying to get a decent education for disadvantaged kids.

Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive. All but the very most severely disabled, and I am talking about .00001 % of the left end of the Bell Curve here, benefit intellectually and socially from instruction, and it saves society money in the long run.
2013-11-20 06:47:44 PM  
2 votes:

lycanth: School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.


kids fighting =/= child abuse
2013-11-20 06:46:42 PM  
2 votes:
Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.
2013-11-20 06:38:15 PM  
2 votes:

thatboyoverthere: HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't

He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.


The principal damn well knows what an IEP is. This man is just a pathetic excuse for a male and a horrible principal to boot.
2013-11-20 06:37:43 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.
2013-11-20 06:34:10 PM  
2 votes:
The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.
2013-11-20 06:33:01 PM  
2 votes:

doubled99: Why is he in a school with normal kids? That's farked up.


Why can't he be in a school with normal kids? Is he supposed to go to a special school because the other students can't help but to beat him up?
2013-11-20 06:22:39 PM  
2 votes:
The fact that this is in the news has disappointed the school and community. Almost everyone at school is livid at this junk. You can ask any of the older kids if bullying is a problem in our school and they'll all tell you NO. Yes bullying is wrong, but to go to the news and trash your OWN community is pathetic.

Get a load of this prideful bullshiat.
2013-11-20 06:19:18 PM  
2 votes:

spamdog: http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him

Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


This. Whatever happened to special Ed? If they are disruptive in mainstream they shouldn't be there.
2013-11-20 06:19:01 PM  
2 votes:

kg2095: FTFA: In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

If I was in charge of a school my response to a bully would be suspension for the first offense and expulsion for the second. And any teachers who turn a blind eye to bullying would be dismissed.


Imagine if he was the police chief. "It is the citizen's responsibility to handle crime.Ultimately it comes down to the citizens to take ownership for this and to take care of criminals for themselves and for those citizens who can't stand up for themselves. Now stop standing there looking confused, those criminals aren't going to catch themselves!"
2013-11-20 06:15:53 PM  
2 votes:
http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him


Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?
2013-11-20 06:13:59 PM  
2 votes:
"He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth," resident Jamie Harrison wrote to the station. "I'm proud of my nephew for doing that."

So this guy is proud that his nephew beat up a handicapped kid. I guess he thought taking candy from babies was too easy for him and his glad he stepped up his game.

This towns water supply must be contaminated with lead.

/And the last time I ever heard somebody use the term cocked to mean punch was when I was in Mississippi visiting relatives when I was a child.
2013-11-20 06:10:25 PM  
2 votes:
And in today's lesson you find out what it means to have the entire country pissed at your stupid hick antics.
2013-11-20 06:10:21 PM  
2 votes:

pedobearapproved: Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason


It's true, but parents and teachers shouldn't be condoning it, I guess is my point. At least not publicly. They're just telling kids it's fine to hit people you don't like.
2013-11-20 06:09:51 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Bullying is completely unacceptable. OTOH, I have seen many people that are considered 'special needs' to purposely get away with outrageous and unacceptable behavior because they could.
2013-11-20 06:07:57 PM  
2 votes:

the801: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.


Actually it is.  It isn't separated from Autism Spectrum anymore, that is all.  It is now a notch on the spectrum instead of something that is treated as a different disorder.
2013-11-20 06:06:35 PM  
2 votes:

Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.


I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason
2013-11-20 06:05:36 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?


His attitude shocked me as well. What is this: school or "Lord of the Flies"?
2013-11-20 06:00:11 PM  
2 votes:
Respond with a witty retort, bully boy. Oh, let me guess that's not your strong suit.
2013-11-20 06:00:01 PM  
2 votes:
Another genetic lottery loser just wants to be treated the same different than other people?  Color me shocked...
2013-11-20 05:48:08 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!
2013-11-21 09:45:12 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.


I work with a child on the autism spectrum. I'm working on helping him develop social and communication skills, and I needed to find out how much eye contact he could tolerate. I asked him yesterday to look at my face - not even my eyes, just my face, near my eyes - for as long as he could while we talked about Transformers. Within about twenty seconds he was flapping his hands and grunting in distress and I had to help him out of his fetal position. I eventually coaxed out of him that it was like being stabbed in the brain and the "kidneys" (pointing at his gut).

Part of it is that he's had really screwed-up parenting, but that really shook me up. I know it can be uncomfortable to make eye contact, but for this kid it was one of the most painful experiences he could remember.
2013-11-21 08:35:38 AM  
1 votes:

Chinchillazilla: ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.

A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.

 shy.

You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.
2013-11-21 07:43:01 AM  
1 votes:

AteMyBrain: Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.


Reding comprehension wasn't your strong suit in school, was it?

I didn't say a kid with Aspergers could or could not learn social norms. I said that people often excuse their kids' bad behaviour by blaming it on a diagnosis that may not be accurate. Jesus - wtf did your Tard do to get himself in enough trouble for you to be so defensive?

Also - you do realize it's hard for people to take your righteous indignation over bullying seriously when you're telling them you hope they die for something they said on the Internet, right?
2013-11-21 05:11:05 AM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.


I'd like to file this under the school yard code of "don't start none, there won't be none".
2013-11-21 03:18:27 AM  
1 votes:
I upped my meds-up yours
" As long as you understand what democracy means to us - that the majority rules in everything, right down to what you eat, wear, say, think, drink, and fark - you'll get along just fine. "


And, as long as You Learn and remember that's not the case.
The majority only rules as long as the rights of the minority are not violated.
You can't just do whatever you want no matter who gets hurt, you have to respect their rights of free speech, religious belief, assembly to express grievances, privacy in their persons , property and effects, fair trial, and all those other unlisted rights referred to in the constitution as the domain of the states and the people.

Just because more people share one opinion than others do another doesn't mean you can run roughshod over them.

It's a good idea to make sure you know all of what constitutes a democracy ( or, in our case, a democratic republic ) and not just the parts you like.

You may be reminded most unpleasantly some day, and you may not like having your own inaccurate words and opinions thrown back in your face.
2013-11-21 01:30:05 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone who thinks that big cities are mean has never dealt with a small town
2013-11-21 12:20:45 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Bit'O'Gristle: n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?

His attitude shocked me as well. What is this: school or "Lord of the Flies"?


School is frequently Lord of the Flies, but not typically when an adult actually witnesses the bullying, and really not when the media shows up.

The superintendent, the principal, the neighbors, and the teachers are all assholes.
2013-11-20 11:00:44 PM  
1 votes:

tlchwi02: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.


The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.
2013-11-20 10:47:53 PM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)


You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.
2013-11-20 10:12:57 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.

Assault is a crime. Insulting someone is not


Where I come from, kids get in fights. Hell, adults get in fights. You say something bad enough you might get ppunched. Hell, 99% of the local cops will laugh at you if you call them because you got hit for saying something really nasty.

If you have a condition, okay you might get a pass. But for folks who should know better, its the way of the world and the way it should be. shiat has consequences.

/you can't bubble wrap the world.
2013-11-20 09:57:23 PM  
1 votes:

Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.


fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.
2013-11-20 09:41:11 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody Templar: umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.

My oldest son, who suffers from ASD, is, by far, the best and brightest. His problem is two-fold: not only does he suffer from the trappings of not being able to fully grasp social cues, but the other, "non-tard" kids that you think of as the best and brightest, are just freakin' dumb compared to him. As a result, they find him weird and bullyable.

So your answer is to take the brightest mind in his peer group and put him in a room far away from the round pegs in their nice round holes? That's not helpful to my son or society at large.


I'm always baffled by people who equate "brightness" with the ability to memorize and regurgitate information from media.

If your kid can't pick up on basic social cues, he ain't bright. Just sayin'
2013-11-20 09:39:32 PM  
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Well, thank fsm we've got you to weigh in with your professional medical opinion.  Thanks so farking much.
2013-11-20 09:35:30 PM  
1 votes:
Are they TRYING to turn this autistic boy into the next school shooter?
2013-11-20 08:53:11 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.

Don't read it. I just finished and I think I feel emptier than I did at the start.

Lack of empathy is rather sickening.


Interestingly, I'm working with an agency in Los Angeles that's developing a peer mediation program at LAUSD schools. The idea is to have kids mediate disputes with kids without having adults stick their busybody noses into the mess (my description, not theirs, of course). We did one last week not too dissimilar to this one, where one boy was picking on another, at the instigation of his so-called friends. Both boys are in a special-ed class for behavioral problems, i.e. they'd be "autistic" or "Asperger's" if they were a little higher on the socioeconomic scale.

We got them to agree at least at the moment not to pick on each other in class and instead for the one kid to tell his "friends" "Yeah, I'd like to beat up the other kid, but I don't want to get in trouble"--a solution that allows him to save face but still be friends with the other boy, which he really wanted. Middle school kids are such emotional messes. This was a lot better than having mommy and daddy and half the town and the school get involved.

And it sounds like these kids could use a sit-down with a peer mediator and have an hour's discussion without their family butting in, too.
2013-11-20 08:37:15 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Sounds like a town full of Farkers who think they know what goes on in other people's heads better than people themselves do.


It's more along the lines of

Teens bully each other: bad


Internet bullies some teens: BAD

A moderate level of "You shouldn't do that, boy, OR ELSE." is okay from an authority figure. Parents, locals, what have you. But when the whole internet comes down it's nothing but hypocrites who like to bully other people into their way of thinking being horrible bullies to these kids. It's worse than not helping at all.

I can't get behind that kind of hate wave, especially because a large part of teenage boys' communication is headlocks and right hooks in the BEST of circumstances.
2013-11-20 08:29:09 PM  
1 votes:
Sounds like a town full of Farkers who think they know what goes on in other people's heads better than people themselves do.
2013-11-20 08:13:44 PM  
1 votes:
It's too bad eugenics got such a bad rap, we could have avoided situations like this.
2013-11-20 07:59:58 PM  
1 votes:
However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.
2013-11-20 07:49:12 PM  
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Autistic Hiker: umad: RexTalionis: umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.

Wow, look at that asshole.

I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.

No you don't. And I frankly doubt you've ever seen full blown Asperger's, which is truly something to behold.


I've seen something close to it, not full blown, but limited case.

It's... disquieting, to say the least.

The strangest to observe was the complete lack of being able to read other people in any way shape or form.

He was medically (i.e. not self internet) diagnosed Asperger's and had received help earlier in life and was able to hold down a job, find a woman that understood his problems, and even had children.

Their first born on the other hand was NOT receiving the help he needed until they got him into school, and by then well...

They just could not afford the help they needed earlier in their child's life, even knowing he was predisposed to the condition because of his father.

//And now I has a sad.
2013-11-20 07:25:37 PM  
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umad: RexTalionis: umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.

Wow, look at that asshole.

I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.


No you don't. And I frankly doubt you've ever seen full blown Asperger's, which is truly something to behold.
2013-11-20 07:22:15 PM  
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umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.


First, the right I am talking about is enshrined in law.

Second, if that right doesn't exist, then how it limited? The mentally disabled? The physically disabled? The merely slow? Minorities? Go ahead, you have all the answers. Tell us all about civil rights.

Third, as a matter of pragmatism, not educating people is more costly to scurry than educating them.

Fourth, and most importantly, if smart kids are truly being held up by slow ones, your issue isn't with the kids, it's with the school.
2013-11-20 07:15:45 PM  
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I'm guessing some of those idiot Iowans discussed in this story are also in this thread.

But I repeat myself.
2013-11-20 07:12:25 PM  
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Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.


Or he will get a gun and then we get to reset the counter on the days since last mass shooting again and have more wonderful gun threads.
2013-11-20 07:11:05 PM  
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umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.


Wow, look at that asshole.
2013-11-20 06:57:18 PM  
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The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.
2013-11-20 06:55:04 PM  
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Serious Post on Serious Thread: Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.


Agreed. Occams Razor says this is plain old country fried bullying.

/country-fried
2013-11-20 06:48:19 PM  
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PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.
2013-11-20 06:43:15 PM  
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Don't punch him in the head, he's already retarded. Kick him in the junk. He don't need to reproduce nohow.
2013-11-20 06:42:41 PM  
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public school is boot camp for adult reality, precious snowflakes
2013-11-20 06:37:05 PM  
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ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.


A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.
2013-11-20 06:33:33 PM  
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haywatchthis: gay retarded ahole, gets punched for being an ahole


Why is this man asking to be punched?
2013-11-20 06:30:54 PM  
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HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't


He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 06:24:37 PM  
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The wholesome, Christian midwest, folks!

Take a bow!
2013-11-20 06:21:15 PM  
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mephisto_kur: the801: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.

Actually it is.  It isn't separated from Autism Spectrum anymore, that is all.  It is now a notch on the spectrum instead of something that is treated as a different disorder.


whippin' out my digital version of the DSM5

searchin' for 'asperg'

that string (non-caps-inclusive) appears 5 times. none of those is a diagnosis. none of them appear in any diagnostic criteria.
---
Autism spectrum disorder encompasses disorders previously re
ferred to as early infantile autism, childhood autism, Kanner's autism, high-functioning 
autism, atypical autism, pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, child
hood disintegrative disorder, and Asperger's disorder.
...
Autism spectrum disorder is a new DSM-5 disorder encompassing the previous DSM- 
IV autistic disorder (autism), Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, 
Rett's disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified.
...
Consolidation of autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, and pervasive developmen
tal disorder into autism spectrum disorder.
...
For example, many 
individuals previously diagnosed with Asperger's disorder would now receive a diagnosis 
of autism spectrum disorder without language or intellectual impairment.
...
Note:  Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger's
disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the
diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.

---
the last one is particularly interesting - people previously diagnosed with Asperger's are now officially rediagnosed with not-Asperger's.
2013-11-20 06:19:43 PM  
1 votes:
And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.
2013-11-20 06:19:19 PM  
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ongbok: So this guy is proud that his nephew beat up a handicapped kid.


He should be. That kid had retard strength.
2013-11-20 06:09:57 PM  
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FTFA: In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

If I was in charge of a school my response to a bully would be suspension for the first offense and expulsion for the second. And any teachers who turn a blind eye to bullying would be dismissed.
2013-11-20 06:08:25 PM  
1 votes:
Report the kid to the teacher.

Don't knock him in the head.
2013-11-20 06:04:08 PM  
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Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.
2013-11-20 05:57:26 PM  
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theorellior: Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.


Is the term "coldcocked" (in the sense that one is sucker-punched) not a thing outside of where I grew up?
2013-11-20 05:57:15 PM  
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Sticks and stones, dude.  Sticks and stones.
And quit cocking people in the mouth.  That's retarded.
2013-11-20 05:56:08 PM  
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Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.
2013-11-20 05:38:23 PM  
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Mainstreamed.
2013-11-20 04:41:41 PM  
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That article discombobumalates my dumb cracker mind.

"Cocked" him in the mouth? Two people named Levi? One guy named Nate Goof?
2013-11-20 04:35:55 PM  
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unsolicited cock in the mouth?
 
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