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(Yahoo)   "He called my nephew a nasty name and my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth. I'm proud of my nephew for doing that." Says one parent in an Iowa town where parents have rallied to defend the bullying of an autistic child   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 213
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2013-11-20 08:48:35 PM

AteMyBrain: Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.


In her defense, she said "quite often," not "always." But yeah, it's frustrating that people just don't get it.

I wish I could take back all the spankings I gave my oldest before I realized what a slave he is to ASD and anxiety.
 
2013-11-20 08:53:11 PM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.

Don't read it. I just finished and I think I feel emptier than I did at the start.

Lack of empathy is rather sickening.


Interestingly, I'm working with an agency in Los Angeles that's developing a peer mediation program at LAUSD schools. The idea is to have kids mediate disputes with kids without having adults stick their busybody noses into the mess (my description, not theirs, of course). We did one last week not too dissimilar to this one, where one boy was picking on another, at the instigation of his so-called friends. Both boys are in a special-ed class for behavioral problems, i.e. they'd be "autistic" or "Asperger's" if they were a little higher on the socioeconomic scale.

We got them to agree at least at the moment not to pick on each other in class and instead for the one kid to tell his "friends" "Yeah, I'd like to beat up the other kid, but I don't want to get in trouble"--a solution that allows him to save face but still be friends with the other boy, which he really wanted. Middle school kids are such emotional messes. This was a lot better than having mommy and daddy and half the town and the school get involved.

And it sounds like these kids could use a sit-down with a peer mediator and have an hour's discussion without their family butting in, too.
 
2013-11-20 08:58:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: The idea is to have kids mediate disputes with kids without having adults stick their busybody noses into the mess


e08595.medialib.glogster.com

How many did you lose?
 
2013-11-20 09:21:17 PM

ZzeusS: Autistic Hiker: The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".

It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.

Sure it is.  Eventually they run out of teeth and can't insult anyone any longer.  Taught!


Are you unfamiliar with how speech works? You don't need to chew your words.
 
2013-11-20 09:22:20 PM
Yes, your Tater Jr punched an autistic kid. Maybe next you can take pride in him punching one of those uppity dirkies for voting, or beating his girlfriend for having a vagina. Good grief.
I smell a bright career as a welfare leech/prison biatch for this one.
 
2013-11-20 09:24:54 PM

ZAZ: If you spell Autistic with a capital A you deserve a beating.


Well, if you insist...
 
2013-11-20 09:34:51 PM

Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.


Maybe they just ain't being punched hard enough...
 
2013-11-20 09:35:30 PM
Are they TRYING to turn this autistic boy into the next school shooter?
 
2013-11-20 09:39:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 800x532]
Spudnuts!


Oh man.  That looks like one messed up r-word.  Why would they let someone like that hold a baby?
 
2013-11-20 09:39:32 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Well, thank fsm we've got you to weigh in with your professional medical opinion.  Thanks so farking much.
 
2013-11-20 09:41:11 PM

Bloody Templar: umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.

My oldest son, who suffers from ASD, is, by far, the best and brightest. His problem is two-fold: not only does he suffer from the trappings of not being able to fully grasp social cues, but the other, "non-tard" kids that you think of as the best and brightest, are just freakin' dumb compared to him. As a result, they find him weird and bullyable.

So your answer is to take the brightest mind in his peer group and put him in a room far away from the round pegs in their nice round holes? That's not helpful to my son or society at large.


I'm always baffled by people who equate "brightness" with the ability to memorize and regurgitate information from media.

If your kid can't pick up on basic social cues, he ain't bright. Just sayin'
 
2013-11-20 09:45:41 PM

Autistic Hiker: Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.


So it's cool for me to beat the shiat out of you if I feel "offended" by you, because that will teach you.

Good to know.
 
2013-11-20 09:53:06 PM

Infernalist: JohnnyApocalypse: Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.

Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?

To a degree, sure.  The answer's somewhere in the middle ground.  But as a parent of three kids, if some other kid went out of his way to verbally abuse my own kids, I'm okay with him retaliating.  Kids fight.  It's not the end of the world for either one of them if someone comes home with a black eye or bloody lip because he got smart-mouthed at some other kid.  Maybe it'll teach him to control himself, and if not, then the autistic kid's parents need to determine if keeping their out of control kid in school is good for him or not.


And if the weaker kid pulled a gun on your kid in a fight that would be ok? Because you know kids fight
 
2013-11-20 09:54:14 PM

Frozboz: This headline has me all confused.  It's either "cold-cocked", "Cole clocked", but NOT "Cole cocked", unless the nephew did something VERY DIFFERENT than punch him.


thatsthejoke
 
2013-11-20 09:56:34 PM

mcmnky: HotWingConspiracy: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 800x532]
Spudnuts!

Oh man.  That looks like one messed up r-word.  Why would they let someone like that hold a baby?


Yes and then they will blame the kid for doing it instead of the people who pushed him to do it
 
2013-11-20 09:57:23 PM

Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.


fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.
 
2013-11-20 09:59:14 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.


This
 
2013-11-20 10:03:12 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.


Assault is a crime. Insulting someone is not
 
2013-11-20 10:05:41 PM
Since "Cole" is capitalized, and comes after the word "nephew", I read it this way:

My nephew, Cole, cocked him in the mouth.

Hmm. So that's the way it is in their family.
 
2013-11-20 10:07:24 PM

dr_blasto: RexTalionis: theorellior: Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.

Is the term "coldcocked" (in the sense that one is sucker-punched) not a thing outside of where I grew up?

No, I think the poor kid got cocked by Cole. He probably shouldn't have dressed that way or it wouldn't have happened.


Yes. See? I'm not the only one who sees it this way.

i113.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-20 10:08:13 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.


in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.
 
2013-11-20 10:12:57 PM

Warlordtrooper: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.

Assault is a crime. Insulting someone is not


Where I come from, kids get in fights. Hell, adults get in fights. You say something bad enough you might get ppunched. Hell, 99% of the local cops will laugh at you if you call them because you got hit for saying something really nasty.

If you have a condition, okay you might get a pass. But for folks who should know better, its the way of the world and the way it should be. shiat has consequences.

/you can't bubble wrap the world.
 
2013-11-20 10:14:37 PM

the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.


Whatever, man :)
 
2013-11-20 10:23:27 PM

Bloody Templar: I wish I could take back all the spankings I gave my oldest before I realized what a slave he is to ASD and anxiety.


So how many times did you beat him?
 
2013-11-20 10:47:53 PM

Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)


You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.
 
2013-11-20 11:00:44 PM

tlchwi02: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.


The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.
 
2013-11-20 11:16:27 PM
I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.
 
2013-11-20 11:23:17 PM

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.


It still amazes me that the two KIDS involved in this mess told the autistic kid 'Hey, we're sorry we didn't realize that bugged you" and they've probably moved on; meanwhile, here on Fark, adults with the insensitivity and intelligence of a sack of nonfunctioning doorknobs are still going on and on about how autistic kids really aren't as autistic as all that and just need to learn a few manners and how to deal with the brutalities of life.

Kind of makes you wonder who the autistic kids really are, and who the bullies are, and who really need a shot in the mouth for the good of their souls.
 
2013-11-20 11:32:43 PM

ReapTheChaos: I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.


So, you are part of the 'punch someone in the face over words' crowd.  Got it.

There is another hard lesson, first one to throw a punch gets jail.  The bullies will enjoy that one.

/I don't often wish someone like you to have an autistic child for a reason
//You'll end up going to jail for child abuse, and the kid doesn't deserve that.
 
2013-11-20 11:35:31 PM

ReapTheChaos: I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.


And that's because you're wrong. You don't get it. IF (the big 'if') autistic kids really aren't autistic, then ya, teaching them without kid gloves is probably a good thing. They gotta learn the school of hard knocks, and good parents are around in case the knocks get too hard. And these non-autistic autistics would be weaned into learning that milking some condition just aint gonna cut it.

But I suspect you've never been around a real autistic person, or at least one who has any kind of severe impairment. Because they come in all sorts of flavors (hence why it's termed a spectrum disorder), some are more readily able to relate to the world. It may take them longer to "get it" but they eventually do. And yeah, the real world is rough, so easing them into that real world without false expectations is good. But severe ones? Good luck with tough love. The dark side of autism, especially in males (though I heard that it can happen with females) is the same thing that prevents them from modulating sensory experiences, or understanding emotional modulations, also prevents them from modulating exertion when in fight or flight. You fight with an autistic person, it's all in. Even the smallest autistic person seem to be "unnaturally strong". It's they fight with all their body until exhaustion. Ones with poor motor control seem to be just spasming around until you get cold cocked when they connect. (Oh shoot, I used it correctly). The point of me expressing that is, these kids don't know the fire they're playing with. This kid gets hit and bullied enough, he's gonna possibly break their faces if he decides to retaliate. You have an autistic child that you use "tough love" on? You're gonna teach him the lesson that might enforces right, and if he feels he's right, he's gonna throw it back on you. In essence, if you teach an autistic that hitting is an acceptable expression of anger, that's what he or she will do in spades.
 
2013-11-20 11:35:54 PM

lack of warmth: So, you are part of the 'punch someone in the face over words' crowd.  Got it.


Heck, most FARKers are part of the "punch someone in the face for following you" crowd, judging by their continuous defense of Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-11-20 11:40:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.

It still amazes me that the two KIDS involved in this mess told the autistic kid 'Hey, we're sorry we didn't realize that bugged you" and they've probably moved on; meanwhile, here on Fark, adults with the insensitivity and intelligence of a sack of nonfunctioning doorknobs are still going on and on about how autistic kids really aren't as autistic as all that and just need to learn a few manners and how to deal with the brutalities of life.

Kind of makes you wonder who the autistic kids really are, and who the bullies are, and who really need a shot in the mouth for the good of their souls.


Absolutely.
 
2013-11-20 11:59:03 PM
"Back in my day, if a kid was getting beat up, it was called childhood."
 
2013-11-21 12:14:05 AM

tlchwi02: netizencain: Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up. Because that's just AMERICA

OR- maybe he doesn't belong in class with a bunch of 13 year old boys who aren't going to be very capable of understanding the nuance of a peer who can't control his behavior vs one who simply does not want to control his behavior. Maybe the boy with the issues should be segregated so the normal children can learn in a less disruptive environment.


Yea, this seems like an all-around bad situation. On the one hand, if the kids in the class are being provoked (as it sounds) then I'd have a hard time calling it bullying exactly, but it's still going to be harmful to the autistic kid and disruptive to everyone else.
 
2013-11-21 12:19:19 AM

obamadidcoke: Autistic Hiker: Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.

So it's cool for me to beat the shiat out of you if I feel "offended" by you, because that will teach you.

Good to know.


well if i were rude enough to use the terms "asbergers" people do i would expect at the very least a poke in the eye.

this is called negitive feedback training parent used to raise their kids this way when we lived in a free country.
 
2013-11-21 12:20:45 AM

fusillade762: Bit'O'Gristle: n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?

His attitude shocked me as well. What is this: school or "Lord of the Flies"?


School is frequently Lord of the Flies, but not typically when an adult actually witnesses the bullying, and really not when the media shows up.

The superintendent, the principal, the neighbors, and the teachers are all assholes.
 
2013-11-21 12:23:06 AM

PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.


so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?
 
2013-11-21 12:36:16 AM

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.


as much as i enjoy the occasional troll, i honestly do believe that it's wrong to punch someone in the face for saying something rude to you.

and here's the relevant bits of the texas penal code:
5.22 (a)(3)
5.22 (c)(1)

sorry if, y'know, i was rude about suggesting that people shouldn't get punched in the face. don't punch me in the face about it, eh?
 
2013-11-21 12:39:24 AM

tlchwi02: PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.

so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?


I'm not sure what having to drop art classes has to do with being polite to other students; but if you can forge a causal link there, go you, you've got a career waiting on the Supreme Court someday.
 
2013-11-21 01:17:30 AM

d23: The wholesome, Christian midwest, folks!

Take a bow!


As long as you understand what democracy means to us - that the majority rules in everything, right down to what you eat, wear, say, think, drink, and fark - you'll get along just fine.
 
2013-11-21 01:30:05 AM
Anyone who thinks that big cities are mean has never dealt with a small town
 
2013-11-21 02:06:46 AM

the801: Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.

as much as i enjoy the occasional troll, i honestly do believe that it's wrong to punch someone in the face for saying something rude to you.

and here's the relevant bits of the texas penal code:
5.22 (a)(3)
5.22 (c)(1)

sorry if, y'know, i was rude about suggesting that people shouldn't get punched in the face. don't punch me in the face about it, eh?


You might want to reread which post I was replying to.  Hint: It wasn't you.

:)
 
2013-11-21 03:18:27 AM
I upped my meds-up yours
" As long as you understand what democracy means to us - that the majority rules in everything, right down to what you eat, wear, say, think, drink, and fark - you'll get along just fine. "


And, as long as You Learn and remember that's not the case.
The majority only rules as long as the rights of the minority are not violated.
You can't just do whatever you want no matter who gets hurt, you have to respect their rights of free speech, religious belief, assembly to express grievances, privacy in their persons , property and effects, fair trial, and all those other unlisted rights referred to in the constitution as the domain of the states and the people.

Just because more people share one opinion than others do another doesn't mean you can run roughshod over them.

It's a good idea to make sure you know all of what constitutes a democracy ( or, in our case, a democratic republic ) and not just the parts you like.

You may be reminded most unpleasantly some day, and you may not like having your own inaccurate words and opinions thrown back in your face.
 
2013-11-21 05:11:05 AM

PsiChick: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.


I'd like to file this under the school yard code of "don't start none, there won't be none".
 
2013-11-21 06:04:43 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: sometimes insolent little shiats need to get hit in the mouth.
here's betting that he needles others constantly because nobody will discipline him.


This is why we can't have nice things.  (Schools, kids, and other parents think we can just beat the autism out of our children.)
 
2013-11-21 06:08:04 AM

andyofne: If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.



Private schools cost money.  Public schools use mainstreaming as a method to teach social situations.

Instead of trying to teach kids to socialize, this school is just teaching them to be ashamed of their social skills and scared of getting beaten up.
 
2013-11-21 06:11:22 AM

Omahawg: public school is boot camp for adult reality, precious snowflakes



This is why autistic kids grow up thinking that "right" is the same thing as winning the fight.  That is what the school taught them.

Moral of the story:  Next time your your boss criticizes you for coming in late, punch him in the mouth.
 
2013-11-21 07:43:01 AM

AteMyBrain: Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.


Reding comprehension wasn't your strong suit in school, was it?

I didn't say a kid with Aspergers could or could not learn social norms. I said that people often excuse their kids' bad behaviour by blaming it on a diagnosis that may not be accurate. Jesus - wtf did your Tard do to get himself in enough trouble for you to be so defensive?

Also - you do realize it's hard for people to take your righteous indignation over bullying seriously when you're telling them you hope they die for something they said on the Internet, right?
 
2013-11-21 08:25:23 AM
If the theory of "you can punch someone who does stupid and offensive shiat" were true then people would be able to assault the Westboro Baptist Church people without consequences.
 
2013-11-21 08:35:38 AM

Chinchillazilla: ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.

A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.

 shy.

You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.
 
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