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(Yahoo)   "He called my nephew a nasty name and my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth. I'm proud of my nephew for doing that." Says one parent in an Iowa town where parents have rallied to defend the bullying of an autistic child   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 213
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2013-11-20 06:17:05 PM  
That guy Cole Cocked is a real a-hole, but not as bad as his brother Half
 
2013-11-20 06:17:23 PM  
"You breed thoroughbreds, you get thoroughbreds - you breed jack-asses, you get jack-asses."
 
2013-11-20 06:17:28 PM  
Wow, sometimes Farkers surprise me still. I expect snarkiness and general sarcastic misanthropy, but I often see a lot of love and understanding that makes me think more of the community than I should, I guess.

Take a kid with an autism spectrum disorder, and start winding him up, then see what happens as this socially awkward kid begins "asking for it.

Now do this for days on end with no protection from the people in authority. Thjen blame 3/4 of it on the kid.

I dealt with bullying, and it took me "Cole cocking" someone to finally get some F'n respect and to reduce the bullying to manageable levels (though it had nothing to do with an autism disorder and everything to do with appearance).

I took kids like this under my wing and defended them. I stood between them and the bullies (physically at times) when I could, but I couldn't always be there and they still got hurt.

Have some farking compassion.
 
2013-11-20 06:18:14 PM  
Well to be fair, Asperger's kids can be real icehole bastages sometimes.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:01 PM  

kg2095: FTFA: In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

If I was in charge of a school my response to a bully would be suspension for the first offense and expulsion for the second. And any teachers who turn a blind eye to bullying would be dismissed.


Imagine if he was the police chief. "It is the citizen's responsibility to handle crime.Ultimately it comes down to the citizens to take ownership for this and to take care of criminals for themselves and for those citizens who can't stand up for themselves. Now stop standing there looking confused, those criminals aren't going to catch themselves!"
 
2013-11-20 06:19:11 PM  
We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible  is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.

As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.

I didn't see the video in question, but I suspect if that many kids are saying something, then perhaps this issue isn't as cut and dry as all you farking white knights want to believe. Lets ask more questions before we hop on the butt hurt bandwagon. If the kid is actually innocent, then by all means shiat needs to get things done.

Either way, I am glad some of the kids are trying (at the behest of the parents probably) to try to socialize with the kid. I can't imagine what school must be like for him.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:18 PM  

spamdog: http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him

Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


This. Whatever happened to special Ed? If they are disruptive in mainstream they shouldn't be there.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:19 PM  

ongbok: So this guy is proud that his nephew beat up a handicapped kid.


He should be. That kid had retard strength.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:43 PM  
And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.
 
2013-11-20 06:21:15 PM  

mephisto_kur: the801: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.

Actually it is.  It isn't separated from Autism Spectrum anymore, that is all.  It is now a notch on the spectrum instead of something that is treated as a different disorder.


whippin' out my digital version of the DSM5

searchin' for 'asperg'

that string (non-caps-inclusive) appears 5 times. none of those is a diagnosis. none of them appear in any diagnostic criteria.
---
Autism spectrum disorder encompasses disorders previously re
ferred to as early infantile autism, childhood autism, Kanner's autism, high-functioning 
autism, atypical autism, pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, child
hood disintegrative disorder, and Asperger's disorder.
...
Autism spectrum disorder is a new DSM-5 disorder encompassing the previous DSM- 
IV autistic disorder (autism), Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, 
Rett's disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified.
...
Consolidation of autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, and pervasive developmen
tal disorder into autism spectrum disorder.
...
For example, many 
individuals previously diagnosed with Asperger's disorder would now receive a diagnosis 
of autism spectrum disorder without language or intellectual impairment.
...
Note:  Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger's
disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the
diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.

---
the last one is particularly interesting - people previously diagnosed with Asperger's are now officially rediagnosed with not-Asperger's.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:24 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Asperger's is not shorthand for social awkwardness. It's a real thing. You may be referring to the sad fact that it's over diagnosed, but I don't think it is clear that that is the case here. It is not stated anywhere explicitly in the articles, but it seems clear that the kid's condition is well known and longstanding in the school and community, so it is probably safe to assume that the kid has an individual education plan (IEP) that requires the school to accommodate him. In this case, the tard-admitting has already occurred, and the question of consequences is now one in which his disorder must be taken into account.

Regarding whether he should be mainstreamed or not, Asperger's is tough because the kid is entitled to the same education as everyone else. By far the cheapest and most effective way to do that is to keep him in the classroom and educate the teachers and students as to his condition.

But assuming his condition is already known, all that is moot. FTA:
"The school's principal wrote Null's mother an email saying the behavior documented in the video does not amount to bullying. Nonetheless, two of the students were disciplined and the video was reportedly deleted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves.""

Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:32 PM  

spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:39 PM  
The fact that this is in the news has disappointed the school and community. Almost everyone at school is livid at this junk. You can ask any of the older kids if bullying is a problem in our school and they'll all tell you NO. Yes bullying is wrong, but to go to the news and trash your OWN community is pathetic.

Get a load of this prideful bullshiat.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:54 PM  

JoieD'Zen: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Bullying is completely unacceptable. OTOH, I have seen many people that are considered 'special needs' to purposely get away with outrageous and unacceptable behavior because they could.


Listen. "The Idiots" was just a movie.
 
2013-11-20 06:24:00 PM  

oldfarthenry: Sometimes a special child needs to be reminded that he ain't THAT special.


You're the retarded little man with special needs.
 
2013-11-20 06:24:09 PM  
So is the autistic kid the one doing the bullying?
 
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2013-11-20 06:24:37 PM  
The wholesome, Christian midwest, folks!

Take a bow!
 
2013-11-20 06:25:53 PM  

JoieD'Zen: spamdog: http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him

Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?

This. Whatever happened to special Ed? If they are disruptive in mainstream they shouldn't be there.


The law requires mainstreaming if at all possible so that the school doesn't park people they find inconvenient in a padded room and refuse to educate them. Which was pretty much what was done prior to 1975.
 
2013-11-20 06:26:14 PM  
Cole cocked him in the mouth...

Awesome with awesome sauce.
 
2013-11-20 06:29:15 PM  

Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.


You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't
 
2013-11-20 06:30:54 PM  
Why is he in a school with normal kids? That's farked up.
 
2013-11-20 06:30:54 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't


He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.
 
2013-11-20 06:31:46 PM  
gay retarded ahole, gets punched for being an ahole
 
2013-11-20 06:33:01 PM  

doubled99: Why is he in a school with normal kids? That's farked up.


Why can't he be in a school with normal kids? Is he supposed to go to a special school because the other students can't help but to beat him up?
 
2013-11-20 06:33:33 PM  

haywatchthis: gay retarded ahole, gets punched for being an ahole


Why is this man asking to be punched?
 
2013-11-20 06:34:10 PM  
The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.
 
2013-11-20 06:37:05 PM  

ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.


A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.
 
2013-11-20 06:37:43 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.
 
2013-11-20 06:38:15 PM  

thatboyoverthere: HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't

He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.


The principal damn well knows what an IEP is. This man is just a pathetic excuse for a male and a horrible principal to boot.
 
2013-11-20 06:38:46 PM  

thatboyoverthere: HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't

He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.


My kids' school locked up a autistic boy in their seclusion room until the parent was there to pick them up at the end of the school day, and never got sued.  I'm wondering if they had such a plan.

Hell, my youngest has one because of a speech impediment, but he's also in the talented and gifted program.  I can't imagine this kid in Iowa was without one.

//I don't care for our principal (she is a bit..... off, I can't quite put my finger on it), but the teachers are great.
 
2013-11-20 06:41:15 PM  
"He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth," resident Jamie Harrison wrote to the station. "I'm proud of my nephew for doing that."

That's criminal assault and battery no matter where, or what the circumstances, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No excuses accepted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."
The principal's decision was defended by School Board President Bob Lepley, who told the station, "I stand by our principal. ... According to his investigation I'll have to stand by him."


School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.
 
2013-11-20 06:42:41 PM  
public school is boot camp for adult reality, precious snowflakes
 
2013-11-20 06:43:15 PM  
Don't punch him in the head, he's already retarded. Kick him in the junk. He don't need to reproduce nohow.
 
2013-11-20 06:46:42 PM  
Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.
 
2013-11-20 06:47:44 PM  

lycanth: School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.


kids fighting =/= child abuse
 
2013-11-20 06:48:19 PM  

PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.
 
2013-11-20 06:49:41 PM  
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "My child has autism. What's your excuse?"

At first I thought that was sort of empowering. Then I realized it was a parental version of "come at me bro." Very aggressive.

Parents are weird.

/dnrtf
 
2013-11-20 06:52:04 PM  

farkingismybusiness: "This kid has done things to get people mad that I think he could probably control," added resident Nate Goof.

You dun goofed!
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 720x547]
It's the Cyber Police!


Consequences will never be the same
 
2013-11-20 06:52:12 PM  

skozlaw: spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?

Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.


No, our educational system suffers because half the country thinks ignorance is just fine, and an overlapping half would rather tank the future of the country than pay another nickel of tax. The overdiagnosis of special needs kids is a big problem, but it's roots are in trying to get a decent education for disadvantaged kids.

Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive. All but the very most severely disabled, and I am talking about .00001 % of the left end of the Bell Curve here, benefit intellectually and socially from instruction, and it saves society money in the long run.
 
2013-11-20 06:53:08 PM  

Randki: We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.


They have video of him getting a fair amount of shiat in class when he is doing nothing to deserve it.

They clearly aren't preventing bullying.


Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


I am nto saying he is an angel, but if the school looks at a video like that and says it comes down to the kids, then there is something very farked up.
 
2013-11-20 06:54:06 PM  

PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".
 
2013-11-20 06:55:04 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.


Agreed. Occams Razor says this is plain old country fried bullying.

/country-fried
 
2013-11-20 06:57:18 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.
 
2013-11-20 06:59:36 PM  

spamdog: And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.


when I saw the (931) my eyes lit up.  Then I was sad because I would never have time to follow it all.
 
2013-11-20 07:00:38 PM  

Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


That's the point.  Aspergers is a disease which hinders a persons ability for social interaction.


Also "He brought it on himself" ?  Really?  Did anybody ask that guy what he thinks of women who dress in attractive clothes?
 
2013-11-20 07:01:04 PM  

RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.


I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.
 
2013-11-20 07:04:40 PM  

netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.


It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.
 
2013-11-20 07:06:08 PM  

netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!


a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.
 
2013-11-20 07:06:59 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Wait, is Cole the name of the kid, or an unintentionally capitalized and misspelled word?

There's a huge difference between "my nephew cold-cocked him in the mouth" vs. "my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth"


My nephew cuckolded him in the mouth.
 
2013-11-20 07:08:42 PM  

Autistic Hiker: The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".

It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.


Sure it is.  Eventually they run out of teeth and can't insult anyone any longer.  Taught!
 
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