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(Yahoo)   "He called my nephew a nasty name and my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth. I'm proud of my nephew for doing that." Says one parent in an Iowa town where parents have rallied to defend the bullying of an autistic child   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 213
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2013-11-20 04:30:43 PM
People don't just become assholes when they reach adulthood.  Maybe Levi Null is a dick who needs to be punched in the head.
 
2013-11-20 04:35:55 PM
unsolicited cock in the mouth?
 
2013-11-20 04:39:33 PM
Wait, is Cole the name of the kid, or an unintentionally capitalized and misspelled word?

There's a huge difference between "my nephew cold-cocked him in the mouth" vs. "my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth"
 
2013-11-20 04:41:41 PM
That article discombobumalates my dumb cracker mind.

"Cocked" him in the mouth? Two people named Levi? One guy named Nate Goof?
 
2013-11-20 04:48:16 PM
Sometimes a special child needs to be reminded that he ain't THAT special.
 
2013-11-20 04:55:41 PM
Sometimes kids just need a good cocking, and other need to cock. Glad to see it all worked out.
 
2013-11-20 05:02:06 PM
Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.
 
2013-11-20 05:20:01 PM
"I would say three-fourths of this stuff he brings on himself and probably a fourth of it is bullying that shouldn't be going on," said Levi Weatherly, father of the teen accused of posting the video online.

The kid brings it on himself by acting all retarded!
 
2013-11-20 05:38:23 PM
Mainstreamed.
 
2013-11-20 05:39:11 PM
1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.
 
2013-11-20 05:47:34 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


even if that kid is an ass or is a tard, Cole cocking him in the mouth because he says some shiat isn't appropriate behavior. I think. Really, I'm not sure what Cole cocking is. We should track down Nate Goof and ask him.
 
2013-11-20 05:48:08 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!
 
2013-11-20 05:56:08 PM
Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.
 
2013-11-20 05:56:13 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


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2013-11-20 05:57:15 PM
Sticks and stones, dude.  Sticks and stones.
And quit cocking people in the mouth.  That's retarded.
 
2013-11-20 05:57:26 PM

theorellior: Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.


Is the term "coldcocked" (in the sense that one is sucker-punched) not a thing outside of where I grew up?
 
2013-11-20 05:58:23 PM
This headline has me all confused.  It's either "cold-cocked", "Cole clocked", but NOT "Cole cocked", unless the nephew did something VERY DIFFERENT than punch him.
 
2013-11-20 06:00:01 PM
Another genetic lottery loser just wants to be treated the same different than other people?  Color me shocked...
 
2013-11-20 06:00:02 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.


as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.
 
2013-11-20 06:00:11 PM
Respond with a witty retort, bully boy. Oh, let me guess that's not your strong suit.
 
2013-11-20 06:02:23 PM
n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?
 
2013-11-20 06:02:48 PM

netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!


What was the name?  I'm pretty sure that there are some ethnic/racial/sexual orientation slurs that even Aspergers kids know they shouldn't say.  If this Cole was say, African American, and called a n***er, or openly gay and called a f****t, I'm pretty sure no one would have a problem with him punching this kid in the mouth, no matter how "special" he is.  And this probably wasn't the first, second, or even fifth time this kid has mouthed off.  I don't know about the rest of it, but, the punch in the mouth sounds like it was probably earned.
 
2013-11-20 06:02:51 PM
sometimes insolent little shiats need to get hit in the mouth.
here's betting that he needles others constantly because nobody will discipline him.
 
2013-11-20 06:03:21 PM

impaler: "I would say three-fourths of this stuff he brings on himself and probably a fourth of it is bullying that shouldn't be going on," said Levi Weatherly, father of the teen accused of posting the video online.

The kid brings it on himself by acting all retarded!


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2013-11-20 06:03:21 PM

RexTalionis: theorellior: Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.

Is the term "coldcocked" (in the sense that one is sucker-punched) not a thing outside of where I grew up?


No, I think the poor kid got cocked by Cole. He probably shouldn't have dressed that way or it wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-11-20 06:03:30 PM
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2013-11-20 06:04:08 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.
 
2013-11-20 06:04:53 PM
There's an Urban Dictionary definition for cole cock.  From back in February.  It's about what you would expect.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 06:04:57 PM
If you spell Autistic with a capital A you deserve a beating.
 
2013-11-20 06:05:02 PM
FYI

FTA ""He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth,""
 
2013-11-20 06:05:21 PM
"This kid has done things to get people mad that I think he could probably control," added resident Nate Goof.

You dun goofed!
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It's the Cyber Police!
 
2013-11-20 06:05:36 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?


His attitude shocked me as well. What is this: school or "Lord of the Flies"?
 
2013-11-20 06:06:35 PM

Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.


I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason
 
2013-11-20 06:06:36 PM

netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.


Tragically, it's the way all too many people behave. Unless of course the mean name caller is bigger than they are. Or they have a gun handy.
 
2013-11-20 06:07:34 PM
"Cole cocked him in the mouth..."

Oh great, so now he's retarded and gay too?

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.
//The gay, not the retarded.
///That's still bad.
 
2013-11-20 06:07:57 PM

the801: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.


Actually it is.  It isn't separated from Autism Spectrum anymore, that is all.  It is now a notch on the spectrum instead of something that is treated as a different disorder.
 
2013-11-20 06:08:25 PM
Report the kid to the teacher.

Don't knock him in the head.
 
2013-11-20 06:09:08 PM
Oh, and this school is about to learn how the internet works....
 
2013-11-20 06:09:17 PM
He might have Aspergers now, but once he finishes school he'll just be another mouth-breathing dipshiat.

You might as well let him get used to it.
 
2013-11-20 06:09:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Bullying is completely unacceptable. OTOH, I have seen many people that are considered 'special needs' to purposely get away with outrageous and unacceptable behavior because they could.
 
2013-11-20 06:09:52 PM
Two things:

1) If everyone is already taunting the kid why punch him when he talks back? You're already winning the insult race, getting offended when he slings some back is lame.

2) They admit seventy-five percent of the time the kid brings it on himself. Meaning one out of four abuses is unprovoked predation.

"The kid was a jerk," is a valid excuse in some cases. Here it just sounds like a town inhabited entirely by jerks.
 
2013-11-20 06:09:57 PM
FTFA: In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

If I was in charge of a school my response to a bully would be suspension for the first offense and expulsion for the second. And any teachers who turn a blind eye to bullying would be dismissed.
 
2013-11-20 06:10:21 PM

pedobearapproved: Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason


It's true, but parents and teachers shouldn't be condoning it, I guess is my point. At least not publicly. They're just telling kids it's fine to hit people you don't like.
 
2013-11-20 06:10:22 PM

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Spudnuts!

 
2013-11-20 06:10:25 PM
And in today's lesson you find out what it means to have the entire country pissed at your stupid hick antics.
 
2013-11-20 06:10:34 PM
A cop will shoot him any day, It's the Iowa way.
 
2013-11-20 06:12:09 PM

netizencain: Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up. Because that's just AMERICA


OR- maybe he doesn't belong in class with a bunch of 13 year old boys who aren't going to be very capable of understanding the nuance of a peer who can't control his behavior vs one who simply does not want to control his behavior. Maybe the boy with the issues should be segregated so the normal children can learn in a less disruptive environment.
 
2013-11-20 06:13:59 PM
"He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth," resident Jamie Harrison wrote to the station. "I'm proud of my nephew for doing that."

So this guy is proud that his nephew beat up a handicapped kid. I guess he thought taking candy from babies was too easy for him and his glad he stepped up his game.

This towns water supply must be contaminated with lead.

/And the last time I ever heard somebody use the term cocked to mean punch was when I was in Mississippi visiting relatives when I was a child.
 
2013-11-20 06:15:53 PM
http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him


Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?
 
2013-11-20 06:16:12 PM
Everything I needed to know about dealing with bullies was taught to me by Bill Waterson.  I've lost track how many times a 'bully' would only counter with such amazing wit like "you farking...fark!"
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2013-11-20 06:17:05 PM
That guy Cole Cocked is a real a-hole, but not as bad as his brother Half
 
2013-11-20 06:17:23 PM
"You breed thoroughbreds, you get thoroughbreds - you breed jack-asses, you get jack-asses."
 
2013-11-20 06:17:28 PM
Wow, sometimes Farkers surprise me still. I expect snarkiness and general sarcastic misanthropy, but I often see a lot of love and understanding that makes me think more of the community than I should, I guess.

Take a kid with an autism spectrum disorder, and start winding him up, then see what happens as this socially awkward kid begins "asking for it.

Now do this for days on end with no protection from the people in authority. Thjen blame 3/4 of it on the kid.

I dealt with bullying, and it took me "Cole cocking" someone to finally get some F'n respect and to reduce the bullying to manageable levels (though it had nothing to do with an autism disorder and everything to do with appearance).

I took kids like this under my wing and defended them. I stood between them and the bullies (physically at times) when I could, but I couldn't always be there and they still got hurt.

Have some farking compassion.
 
2013-11-20 06:18:14 PM
Well to be fair, Asperger's kids can be real icehole bastages sometimes.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:01 PM

kg2095: FTFA: In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

If I was in charge of a school my response to a bully would be suspension for the first offense and expulsion for the second. And any teachers who turn a blind eye to bullying would be dismissed.


Imagine if he was the police chief. "It is the citizen's responsibility to handle crime.Ultimately it comes down to the citizens to take ownership for this and to take care of criminals for themselves and for those citizens who can't stand up for themselves. Now stop standing there looking confused, those criminals aren't going to catch themselves!"
 
2013-11-20 06:19:11 PM
We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible  is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.

As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.

I didn't see the video in question, but I suspect if that many kids are saying something, then perhaps this issue isn't as cut and dry as all you farking white knights want to believe. Lets ask more questions before we hop on the butt hurt bandwagon. If the kid is actually innocent, then by all means shiat needs to get things done.

Either way, I am glad some of the kids are trying (at the behest of the parents probably) to try to socialize with the kid. I can't imagine what school must be like for him.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:18 PM

spamdog: http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him

Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


This. Whatever happened to special Ed? If they are disruptive in mainstream they shouldn't be there.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:19 PM

ongbok: So this guy is proud that his nephew beat up a handicapped kid.


He should be. That kid had retard strength.
 
2013-11-20 06:19:43 PM
And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.
 
2013-11-20 06:21:15 PM

mephisto_kur: the801: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

as of May 18, 2013, Aspergers isn't even a thing anymore.

Actually it is.  It isn't separated from Autism Spectrum anymore, that is all.  It is now a notch on the spectrum instead of something that is treated as a different disorder.


whippin' out my digital version of the DSM5

searchin' for 'asperg'

that string (non-caps-inclusive) appears 5 times. none of those is a diagnosis. none of them appear in any diagnostic criteria.
---
Autism spectrum disorder encompasses disorders previously re
ferred to as early infantile autism, childhood autism, Kanner's autism, high-functioning 
autism, atypical autism, pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified, child
hood disintegrative disorder, and Asperger's disorder.
...
Autism spectrum disorder is a new DSM-5 disorder encompassing the previous DSM- 
IV autistic disorder (autism), Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, 
Rett's disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified.
...
Consolidation of autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, and pervasive developmen
tal disorder into autism spectrum disorder.
...
For example, many 
individuals previously diagnosed with Asperger's disorder would now receive a diagnosis 
of autism spectrum disorder without language or intellectual impairment.
...
Note:  Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger's
disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the
diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.

---
the last one is particularly interesting - people previously diagnosed with Asperger's are now officially rediagnosed with not-Asperger's.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:24 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Asperger's is not shorthand for social awkwardness. It's a real thing. You may be referring to the sad fact that it's over diagnosed, but I don't think it is clear that that is the case here. It is not stated anywhere explicitly in the articles, but it seems clear that the kid's condition is well known and longstanding in the school and community, so it is probably safe to assume that the kid has an individual education plan (IEP) that requires the school to accommodate him. In this case, the tard-admitting has already occurred, and the question of consequences is now one in which his disorder must be taken into account.

Regarding whether he should be mainstreamed or not, Asperger's is tough because the kid is entitled to the same education as everyone else. By far the cheapest and most effective way to do that is to keep him in the classroom and educate the teachers and students as to his condition.

But assuming his condition is already known, all that is moot. FTA:
"The school's principal wrote Null's mother an email saying the behavior documented in the video does not amount to bullying. Nonetheless, two of the students were disciplined and the video was reportedly deleted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves.""

Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:32 PM

spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?


Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:39 PM
The fact that this is in the news has disappointed the school and community. Almost everyone at school is livid at this junk. You can ask any of the older kids if bullying is a problem in our school and they'll all tell you NO. Yes bullying is wrong, but to go to the news and trash your OWN community is pathetic.

Get a load of this prideful bullshiat.
 
2013-11-20 06:22:54 PM

JoieD'Zen: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Bullying is completely unacceptable. OTOH, I have seen many people that are considered 'special needs' to purposely get away with outrageous and unacceptable behavior because they could.


Listen. "The Idiots" was just a movie.
 
2013-11-20 06:24:00 PM

oldfarthenry: Sometimes a special child needs to be reminded that he ain't THAT special.


You're the retarded little man with special needs.
 
2013-11-20 06:24:09 PM
So is the autistic kid the one doing the bullying?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 06:24:37 PM
The wholesome, Christian midwest, folks!

Take a bow!
 
2013-11-20 06:25:53 PM

JoieD'Zen: spamdog: http://whotv.com/2013/11/18/teen-bullied-students-post-video-online/

The family of a teen with autism ... say bullies are targeting the boy and even posting videos of his reactions to medications online.
"People tell me to run into things and I don't really like it. And I tell them that I don't want to and they just laugh at me, whenever I do it," says 13-year old Levi Null who has been bullied for years.
 ...
But now his classmates are ramping up the bullying, posting videos of Levi online using school issued computers. "They're hitting him upside his head. You know, smacking him

Null reference exception.

Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?

This. Whatever happened to special Ed? If they are disruptive in mainstream they shouldn't be there.


The law requires mainstreaming if at all possible so that the school doesn't park people they find inconvenient in a padded room and refuse to educate them. Which was pretty much what was done prior to 1975.
 
2013-11-20 06:26:14 PM
Cole cocked him in the mouth...

Awesome with awesome sauce.
 
2013-11-20 06:29:15 PM

Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.


You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't
 
2013-11-20 06:30:54 PM
Why is he in a school with normal kids? That's farked up.
 
2013-11-20 06:30:54 PM

HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't


He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.
 
2013-11-20 06:31:46 PM
gay retarded ahole, gets punched for being an ahole
 
2013-11-20 06:33:01 PM

doubled99: Why is he in a school with normal kids? That's farked up.


Why can't he be in a school with normal kids? Is he supposed to go to a special school because the other students can't help but to beat him up?
 
2013-11-20 06:33:33 PM

haywatchthis: gay retarded ahole, gets punched for being an ahole


Why is this man asking to be punched?
 
2013-11-20 06:34:10 PM
The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.
 
2013-11-20 06:37:05 PM

ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.


A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.
 
2013-11-20 06:37:43 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.
 
2013-11-20 06:38:15 PM

thatboyoverthere: HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't

He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.


The principal damn well knows what an IEP is. This man is just a pathetic excuse for a male and a horrible principal to boot.
 
2013-11-20 06:38:46 PM

thatboyoverthere: HighlanderRPI: Autistic Hiker: Sorry, Josh, but if the kid had an IEP, and this stuff happened in the classroom, then you own it. Enjoy your lawsuit.

You assume he knows and cares what an IEP is. I'm wagering he dosen't

He'll quickly learn that it's a document that means he's going to lose a lot of money fast.


My kids' school locked up a autistic boy in their seclusion room until the parent was there to pick them up at the end of the school day, and never got sued.  I'm wondering if they had such a plan.

Hell, my youngest has one because of a speech impediment, but he's also in the talented and gifted program.  I can't imagine this kid in Iowa was without one.

//I don't care for our principal (she is a bit..... off, I can't quite put my finger on it), but the teachers are great.
 
2013-11-20 06:41:15 PM
"He called my nephew a nasty name, and my nephew Cole cocked (sic) him in the mouth," resident Jamie Harrison wrote to the station. "I'm proud of my nephew for doing that."

That's criminal assault and battery no matter where, or what the circumstances, and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No excuses accepted.

In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."
The principal's decision was defended by School Board President Bob Lepley, who told the station, "I stand by our principal. ... According to his investigation I'll have to stand by him."


School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.
 
2013-11-20 06:42:41 PM
public school is boot camp for adult reality, precious snowflakes
 
2013-11-20 06:43:15 PM
Don't punch him in the head, he's already retarded. Kick him in the junk. He don't need to reproduce nohow.
 
2013-11-20 06:46:42 PM
Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.
 
2013-11-20 06:47:44 PM

lycanth: School officials have a legal responsibility to report child abuse to the proper authorities. Failure to do so is also a crime, and once again, should be rigorously prosecuted. As a school administrator, you don't get to pick and choose.


kids fighting =/= child abuse
 
2013-11-20 06:48:19 PM

PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.
 
2013-11-20 06:49:41 PM
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, "My child has autism. What's your excuse?"

At first I thought that was sort of empowering. Then I realized it was a parental version of "come at me bro." Very aggressive.

Parents are weird.

/dnrtf
 
2013-11-20 06:52:04 PM

farkingismybusiness: "This kid has done things to get people mad that I think he could probably control," added resident Nate Goof.

You dun goofed!
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It's the Cyber Police!


Consequences will never be the same
 
2013-11-20 06:52:12 PM

skozlaw: spamdog: Seriously though, why do you have special needs children in normal school classrooms?

Because we're stupid.

Americans seem terminally incapable of just accepting the fact that emotional and intellectual development are both heavily effected by biological realities that do not change just because you clap really hard and smile wider. Until we acknowledge that reality, our educational system will continue to drag behind other developed nations. This is a perfect example of why.


No, our educational system suffers because half the country thinks ignorance is just fine, and an overlapping half would rather tank the future of the country than pay another nickel of tax. The overdiagnosis of special needs kids is a big problem, but it's roots are in trying to get a decent education for disadvantaged kids.

Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive. All but the very most severely disabled, and I am talking about .00001 % of the left end of the Bell Curve here, benefit intellectually and socially from instruction, and it saves society money in the long run.
 
2013-11-20 06:53:08 PM

Randki: We need to know more about this situation. From what I gather, the Princible is saying "Hey, we can move heaven and earth, but we can't always be around... because of this, students need to tell us when they are being bullied, and stand up for each other when it does happen and the teachers aren't around", which to me is totally reasonable.


They have video of him getting a fair amount of shiat in class when he is doing nothing to deserve it.

They clearly aren't preventing bullying.


Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


I am nto saying he is an angel, but if the school looks at a video like that and says it comes down to the kids, then there is something very farked up.
 
2013-11-20 06:54:06 PM

PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.


getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".
 
2013-11-20 06:55:04 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Wow. What a shiatload of Internet Toughguys advocating beating up on a tard based on the 2 minute long nearly fact and context free "journalism" coming out of buttfark Iowa. What an awesome goto position you big brave manly men have. Now when you get done fellating Bubba Jr. in the gas station bathroom, get the fark over here and fill my tank with premium. Before I report you for a parole violation for beating your 'but she deserved it' meth head wife who can't fight back. But maybe you like being back in county lock up fellating Bubba Sr.


Agreed. Occams Razor says this is plain old country fried bullying.

/country-fried
 
2013-11-20 06:57:18 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.
 
2013-11-20 06:59:36 PM

spamdog: And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.


when I saw the (931) my eyes lit up.  Then I was sad because I would never have time to follow it all.
 
2013-11-20 07:00:38 PM

Randki: As for the kid, well... My best friends brother had Aspergers, and he would continuously try to beat me up when I was 10 and he was 16... so Im not sure why everyone automatically thinks that someone with Aspergers is instantly an angel.


That's the point.  Aspergers is a disease which hinders a persons ability for social interaction.


Also "He brought it on himself" ?  Really?  Did anybody ask that guy what he thinks of women who dress in attractive clothes?
 
2013-11-20 07:01:04 PM

RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.


I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.
 
2013-11-20 07:04:40 PM

netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.


It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.
 
2013-11-20 07:06:08 PM

netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!


a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.
 
2013-11-20 07:06:59 PM

scottydoesntknow: Wait, is Cole the name of the kid, or an unintentionally capitalized and misspelled word?

There's a huge difference between "my nephew cold-cocked him in the mouth" vs. "my nephew Cole cocked him in the mouth"


My nephew cuckolded him in the mouth.
 
2013-11-20 07:08:42 PM

Autistic Hiker: The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".

It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.


Sure it is.  Eventually they run out of teeth and can't insult anyone any longer.  Taught!
 
2013-11-20 07:09:07 PM

JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.


That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.
 
2013-11-20 07:09:58 PM

JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.


Hasn't stop you.
 
2013-11-20 07:10:19 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.


That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.
 
2013-11-20 07:11:05 PM

umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.


Wow, look at that asshole.
 
2013-11-20 07:11:36 PM

Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.


Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.
 
2013-11-20 07:12:20 PM
Regarding the cocking in the mouth, here's the comment where it came from:

he called my nephew a nasty name and my nephew cole cocked him in the mouth. I'm proud of my nephew for doing that. You gotta stand up for yourself. a week or so before that, levi hit my nephew and his friend on the bus. hes a little bully too. Maybe he needs to be in another school where they work with autistic children at his magnitude.. IT ALL STARTS AT HOME. not even going to go there.

I'm guessing his nephew's name is not Cole - this retard has just misheard the phrase "cold-cocked".
 
2013-11-20 07:12:25 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.


Or he will get a gun and then we get to reset the counter on the days since last mass shooting again and have more wonderful gun threads.
 
2013-11-20 07:12:56 PM

Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.


Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.
 
2013-11-20 07:15:45 PM
I'm guessing some of those idiot Iowans discussed in this story are also in this thread.

But I repeat myself.
 
2013-11-20 07:15:47 PM

RexTalionis: umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.

Wow, look at that asshole.


I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.
 
2013-11-20 07:16:04 PM

ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.


as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?
 
2013-11-20 07:17:56 PM

Warlordtrooper: Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.

Or he will get a gun and then we get to reset the counter on the days since last mass shooting again and have more wonderful gun threads.o

ok then we lock all the tards up and stop "mainstraming" them

we can stop testing stuff on aniimals and use tards instead, hows that wrok for you? either they are a fully responsible human or they are lab rats. pick a side

 
2013-11-20 07:18:42 PM

Omahawg: ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.

as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?


We didn't. This is hell.
 
2013-11-20 07:22:15 PM

umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.


First, the right I am talking about is enshrined in law.

Second, if that right doesn't exist, then how it limited? The mentally disabled? The physically disabled? The merely slow? Minorities? Go ahead, you have all the answers. Tell us all about civil rights.

Third, as a matter of pragmatism, not educating people is more costly to scurry than educating them.

Fourth, and most importantly, if smart kids are truly being held up by slow ones, your issue isn't with the kids, it's with the school.
 
2013-11-20 07:23:52 PM
Link

/Sorry...
 
2013-11-20 07:25:33 PM

ReverendJynxed: Omahawg: ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.

as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?

We didn't. This is hell.


In the 70's it was still OK to say that people were awkward or just retarded.
Btw, I was checked recently for using the word 'tranny' to describe, wait for it, a transsexual! Times change.
 
2013-11-20 07:25:37 PM

umad: RexTalionis: umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.

Wow, look at that asshole.

I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.


No you don't. And I frankly doubt you've ever seen full blown Asperger's, which is truly something to behold.
 
2013-11-20 07:26:03 PM

RexTalionis: I'm guessing some of those idiot Iowans discussed in this story are also in this thread.

But I repeat myself.


I thought they were called the Iowanese

or was it Iowanis?
 
2013-11-20 07:26:27 PM

Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.


It's still satisfying to smack them. Aspergers isn't even a real thing, just an excuse for awkward jackasses.
 
2013-11-20 07:26:55 PM

HighlanderRPI: RexTalionis: I'm guessing some of those idiot Iowans discussed in this story are also in this thread.

But I repeat myself.

I thought they were called the Iowanese

or was it Iowanis?


Iowanians.
 
2013-11-20 07:28:19 PM

Autistic Hiker: umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.

First, the right I am talking about is enshrined in law.

Second, if that right doesn't exist, then how it limited? The mentally disabled? The physically disabled? The merely slow? Minorities? Go ahead, you have all the answers. Tell us all about civil rights.

Third, as a matter of pragmatism, not educating people is more costly to scurry than educating them.

Fourth, and most importantly, if smart kids are truly being held up by slow ones, your issue isn't with the kids, it's with the school.


S/scurry/society/

/autocorrect
 
2013-11-20 07:29:27 PM

JoieD'Zen: ReverendJynxed: Omahawg: ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.

as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?

We didn't. This is hell.

In the 70's it was still OK to say that people were awkward or just retarded.
Btw, I was checked recently for using the word 'tranny' to describe, wait for it, a transsexual! Times change.


We can still call them freaks though right?
 
2013-11-20 07:35:07 PM

Autistic Hiker: The law requires mainstreaming if at all possible so that the school doesn't park people they find inconvenient in a padded room and refuse to educate them. Which was pretty much what was done prior to 1975.


In this case, it's Cole's Law.

s18.postimg.org
 
2013-11-20 07:35:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Oh look, we have a GED in Psychiatric Disorders
 
2013-11-20 07:40:55 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Autistic Hiker: The law requires mainstreaming if at all possible so that the school doesn't park people they find inconvenient in a padded room and refuse to educate them. Which was pretty much what was done prior to 1975.

In this case, it's Cole's Law.

[s18.postimg.org image 596x350]


funny
loves me some cole'slaw
 
2013-11-20 07:41:26 PM

Autistic Hiker: First, the right I am talking about is enshrined in law.


As is No Child Left Behind, which is contradictory to that "right."

Second, if that right doesn't exist, then how it limited? The mentally disabled? The physically disabled? The merely slow? Minorities? Go ahead, you have all the answers. Tell us all about civil rights.

It is limited because neither the smart kids nor the tards are getting "the best education they can receive."

Third, as a matter of pragmatism, not educating people is more costly to scurry than educating them.

I never said anything about not educating them. I think we should put them in a different classroom where they can eat paste and learn as slowly as wish.

Fourth, and most importantly, if smart kids are truly being held up by slow ones, your issue isn't with the kids, it's with the school.

I never said my issue was with the kids either. Are you retarded or something? Anyway, my issue is with the farking government for forcing the schools to keep the dumb kids in with the smart kids. It doesn't help either group. We don't put 1st graders in the same classrooms as 12th graders for the same reason we shouldn't put the slow kids in with the smart kids.

Autistic Hiker: umad: I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.

No you don't. And I frankly doubt you've ever seen full blown Asperger's, which is truly something to behold.


Like I said before, does it really matter why I'm an asshole? Why aren't you showing me some farking compassion?
 
2013-11-20 07:49:12 PM

Autistic Hiker: umad: RexTalionis: umad: RKTeuthis: Have some farking compassion.

I don't really care if you are an asshole due to mental illness or if you are an asshole by choice. To me, you are just an asshole.

Wow, look at that asshole.

I have ass-burgers so I can't help it, so I can't and shouldn't have to stop being an asshole. Have some farking compassion.

No you don't. And I frankly doubt you've ever seen full blown Asperger's, which is truly something to behold.


I've seen something close to it, not full blown, but limited case.

It's... disquieting, to say the least.

The strangest to observe was the complete lack of being able to read other people in any way shape or form.

He was medically (i.e. not self internet) diagnosed Asperger's and had received help earlier in life and was able to hold down a job, find a woman that understood his problems, and even had children.

Their first born on the other hand was NOT receiving the help he needed until they got him into school, and by then well...

They just could not afford the help they needed earlier in their child's life, even knowing he was predisposed to the condition because of his father.

//And now I has a sad.
 
2013-11-20 07:49:32 PM

ReverendJynxed: JoieD'Zen: ReverendJynxed: Omahawg: ReverendJynxed: Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Really? Do they know what hot is? Associate a specific word with a smack in the mouth enough and you'll stop saying those words. Don't call it social graces, call it survival skills.

as someone who grew up a scrawny book nerd in small town iowa who was absolutely petrified by any social interaction whatsoever....yeah, i gotta agree.  Good thing we didn't have aspies or adhd in the 70s. how did we even survive?

We didn't. This is hell.

In the 70's it was still OK to say that people were awkward or just retarded.
Btw, I was checked recently for using the word 'tranny' to describe, wait for it, a transsexual! Times change.

We can still call them freaks though right?


I'm not going to take umbrage, because it's just not getting a certain point... it's a learning disability. Autism isn't JUST social cues (although that's a big manifestation). Disciplining autistic children is tricky, because a spank/slap/punch whatever corporal punishment doesn't work well. They don't get it. The whole chain of causality and learned behavior doesn't follow the same track as with other children. Survival skills as you put it... well, they aren't completely there. Sure, they don't want to get hurt, they want to survive, but they may not understand consequence right away. And with the more nuanced human interactions, they might not ever get certain consequences and contexts. So in the case of making "rude remarks" and then getting beaten for them... autistic people's thought processes would be something like "i respond to certain people and they randomly hit me... i'd avoid them, but they keep coming up to me and talking to me. i don't like talking to them." they have so much going on in their head that they might walk into traffic because they forgot that moving cars hurt. i mean seriously. consequence and association don't stick too well for autistic people. yes, they have emotions, and yes they can be little shiatheads like the rest of us, but as a parent or instructor, you have to really go over the rules on what to do and not to do and spend a lot of time reinforcing the correct behaviors until stuff becomes unthinking and second nature. i haven't watched the video, but i'm sure there's things the kid did that brought this stuff on, and he has to be trained to avoid doing. but as a parent, you're not going to know if you don't see it. if teachers are seeing it, then they should be reporting back to the parent on things the boy is doing so he can learn not to do them. he won't magically do the right thing on his own. and it's up to the teachers to instruct the other children on what's going on with the poor guy, so they can realize that he's not just some bastard bad-mouthing them. if they don't understand that, that's the fault of the teachers.

the parents are sort of assholes for sticking up for their kids and being ignorant about aspergers and autism, but it's understandable at least. the parents aren't going to necessarily know all of these interactions or how bad or severe it is unless they're monitoring him in class frequently (which would curtain the bad behavior from the other students anyways).

the real breakdown is the school. the school is mainstreaming, so they need to be sensitive to that forced interaction. they should be watching instead of ignoring. and when problems arise, they need to be addressing the breakdown instead of defending it
 
2013-11-20 07:53:34 PM
www.house-fr.com

This popped into my head, sorry:)
 
2013-11-20 07:53:41 PM
We've found the Maryville of Iowa.
 
2013-11-20 07:53:45 PM
I just find it interesting that every other story about schools lately has involved kids being suspended for making a gun motion with their finger, or drawing a picture of a gun and getting suspended for just about everything except breathing, but this principal thinks the kids should police themselves in his school.
 
2013-11-20 07:54:18 PM
The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.
 
2013-11-20 07:56:47 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Wow, you are hateful today.

Why do we draw perfect lines between sane and insane, retarded and normal? I mean I see some cases where the line helps serve a purpose, but as individuals we don't need to treat one another like the lines are hard and fast.

You there, with the 66 IQ, you are completely responsible for your livelihood. You should be able to earn a good living and make smart decisions.

You there, with the 65 IQ, you are not.


And you mike, you are just barely developed enough to benefit from time spent with normal kids, so as a result we expect you to perform as well as them in every respect.


Sorry BM, but the messed up need exposure to normality without deserving the bullying that perhaps could be justified at a stretch as good behavioral training for a normal kid.

My motto: Be glad you aren't more than you may be, and try to accept/forgive/ignore/help with the farked-upness of others.
 
2013-11-20 07:57:06 PM

oldfarthenry: Sometimes a special child needs to be reminded that he ain't THAT special.


Ha!
 
2013-11-20 07:57:49 PM

Chinchillazilla: pedobearapproved: Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason

It's true, but parents and teachers shouldn't be condoning it, I guess is my point. At least not publicly. They're just telling kids it's fine to hit people you don't like.


It's not?
 
2013-11-20 07:59:19 PM

SDRR: Chinchillazilla: pedobearapproved: Chinchillazilla: I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

I think a lot of punching happens due to this very reason

It's true, but parents and teachers shouldn't be condoning it, I guess is my point. At least not publicly. They're just telling kids it's fine to hit people you don't like.

It's not?


Violent retaliation isn't my first choice of responses to verbal abuse but I'll be damned if I take it off the table permanently.
 
2013-11-20 07:59:27 PM

the801: unsolicited cock in the mouth?


Go for the UFIA.
 
2013-11-20 07:59:57 PM

Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.


Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?
 
2013-11-20 07:59:58 PM
However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.
 
2013-11-20 08:03:35 PM

JohnnyApocalypse: Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.

Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?


To a degree, sure.  The answer's somewhere in the middle ground.  But as a parent of three kids, if some other kid went out of his way to verbally abuse my own kids, I'm okay with him retaliating.  Kids fight.  It's not the end of the world for either one of them if someone comes home with a black eye or bloody lip because he got smart-mouthed at some other kid.  Maybe it'll teach him to control himself, and if not, then the autistic kid's parents need to determine if keeping their out of control kid in school is good for him or not.
 
2013-11-20 08:09:06 PM

spamdog: And boy, that whotv.com article has some great comments. You can see the problem right there.

Small-town shiatheads.


knew I shouldn't have looked

looks like a whole lot of   (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)  going on

/wow
 
2013-11-20 08:13:44 PM
It's too bad eugenics got such a bad rap, we could have avoided situations like this.
 
2013-11-20 08:17:24 PM

Gyrfalcon: However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.


Don't read it. I just finished and I think I feel emptier than I did at the start.

Lack of empathy is rather sickening.
 
2013-11-20 08:19:25 PM

umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.


My oldest son, who suffers from ASD, is, by far, the best and brightest. His problem is two-fold: not only does he suffer from the trappings of not being able to fully grasp social cues, but the other, "non-tard" kids that you think of as the best and brightest, are just freakin' dumb compared to him. As a result, they find him weird and bullyable.

So your answer is to take the brightest mind in his peer group and put him in a room far away from the round pegs in their nice round holes? That's not helpful to my son or society at large.
 
2013-11-20 08:23:15 PM

Infernalist: JohnnyApocalypse: Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.

Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?

To a degree, sure.  The answer's somewhere in the middle ground.  But as a parent of three kids, if some other kid went out of his way to verbally abuse my own kids, I'm okay with him retaliating.  Kids fight.  It's not the end of the world for either one of them if someone comes home with a black eye or bloody lip because he got smart-mouthed at some other kid.  Maybe it'll teach him to control himself, and if not, then the autistic kid's parents need to determine if keeping their out of control kid in school is good for him or not.


So the autistic kid has to be locked away for calling names (which warrants a punch to the face) uncontrollably, but the other kids don't have to be locked away for calling him names because they know how to punch people in the face instead of calling names back?


That is clearly retarded of you to say. But don't worry, I won't ask that you be sequestered from society or beaten for your disability.
 
2013-11-20 08:24:04 PM

12349876: There's an Urban Dictionary definition for cole cock.  From back in February.  It's about what you would expect.


bbsimg.ngfiles.com

HERE COMES THE COAL COCK.
 
2013-11-20 08:25:57 PM
Teens fight and call each other names and do horrible things pretty much constantly, and that's just normal SOP for teens.

This is a non-story the media is trying to fluff up because ZOMG ASSBURGER'S!!!!1! which is really not helping. Someone calls you a name, you pop them in the mouth, they pop you back. It's the reptile brain, literally the core of our being. Teens can't fully control it yet. You can't hold them responsible like an adult for certain things yet legally for a reason.
 
2013-11-20 08:29:09 PM
Sounds like a town full of Farkers who think they know what goes on in other people's heads better than people themselves do.
 
2013-11-20 08:34:38 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.
 
2013-11-20 08:37:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Sounds like a town full of Farkers who think they know what goes on in other people's heads better than people themselves do.


It's more along the lines of

Teens bully each other: bad


Internet bullies some teens: BAD

A moderate level of "You shouldn't do that, boy, OR ELSE." is okay from an authority figure. Parents, locals, what have you. But when the whole internet comes down it's nothing but hypocrites who like to bully other people into their way of thinking being horrible bullies to these kids. It's worse than not helping at all.

I can't get behind that kind of hate wave, especially because a large part of teenage boys' communication is headlocks and right hooks in the BEST of circumstances.
 
2013-11-20 08:48:35 PM

AteMyBrain: Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.


In her defense, she said "quite often," not "always." But yeah, it's frustrating that people just don't get it.

I wish I could take back all the spankings I gave my oldest before I realized what a slave he is to ASD and anxiety.
 
2013-11-20 08:53:11 PM

Smackledorfer: Gyrfalcon: However, Simmons told the station that two of the students have since apologized to Levi, saying they didn't realize how their actions had affected him.

Meanwhile, the kids involved are acting more mature about this than any of the adults in that whole sorry story.

And very likely at least 50% of the adults here on Fark.

drtfthread. But I can guess.

Don't read it. I just finished and I think I feel emptier than I did at the start.

Lack of empathy is rather sickening.


Interestingly, I'm working with an agency in Los Angeles that's developing a peer mediation program at LAUSD schools. The idea is to have kids mediate disputes with kids without having adults stick their busybody noses into the mess (my description, not theirs, of course). We did one last week not too dissimilar to this one, where one boy was picking on another, at the instigation of his so-called friends. Both boys are in a special-ed class for behavioral problems, i.e. they'd be "autistic" or "Asperger's" if they were a little higher on the socioeconomic scale.

We got them to agree at least at the moment not to pick on each other in class and instead for the one kid to tell his "friends" "Yeah, I'd like to beat up the other kid, but I don't want to get in trouble"--a solution that allows him to save face but still be friends with the other boy, which he really wanted. Middle school kids are such emotional messes. This was a lot better than having mommy and daddy and half the town and the school get involved.

And it sounds like these kids could use a sit-down with a peer mediator and have an hour's discussion without their family butting in, too.
 
2013-11-20 08:58:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: The idea is to have kids mediate disputes with kids without having adults stick their busybody noses into the mess


e08595.medialib.glogster.com

How many did you lose?
 
2013-11-20 09:21:17 PM

ZzeusS: Autistic Hiker: The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".

It's not effective for someone with a disorder like Asperger's.

Sure it is.  Eventually they run out of teeth and can't insult anyone any longer.  Taught!


Are you unfamiliar with how speech works? You don't need to chew your words.
 
2013-11-20 09:22:20 PM
Yes, your Tater Jr punched an autistic kid. Maybe next you can take pride in him punching one of those uppity dirkies for voting, or beating his girlfriend for having a vagina. Good grief.
I smell a bright career as a welfare leech/prison biatch for this one.
 
2013-11-20 09:24:54 PM

ZAZ: If you spell Autistic with a capital A you deserve a beating.


Well, if you insist...
 
2013-11-20 09:34:51 PM

Autistic Hiker: JesusJuice: netizencain: Because being called a name is a good reason to punch someone... great parenting.  I'm sure this is the message that they get in Church.

It is. If every time you act like a dick someone smacks you in the face, you'll learn not to be a dick.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.


Maybe they just ain't being punched hard enough...
 
2013-11-20 09:35:30 PM
Are they TRYING to turn this autistic boy into the next school shooter?
 
2013-11-20 09:39:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 800x532]
Spudnuts!


Oh man.  That looks like one messed up r-word.  Why would they let someone like that hold a baby?
 
2013-11-20 09:39:32 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.


Well, thank fsm we've got you to weigh in with your professional medical opinion.  Thanks so farking much.
 
2013-11-20 09:41:11 PM

Bloody Templar: umad: Autistic Hiker: Everyone has a right to the best education they can receive.

Bullshiat. If that was true, then the smart kids wouldn't be forced to be bored out of their minds while they wait for the tards to catch up. No Child Left Behind is a misnomer. We are leaving our best and brightest behind in the name of "fairness". It is absurd.

My oldest son, who suffers from ASD, is, by far, the best and brightest. His problem is two-fold: not only does he suffer from the trappings of not being able to fully grasp social cues, but the other, "non-tard" kids that you think of as the best and brightest, are just freakin' dumb compared to him. As a result, they find him weird and bullyable.

So your answer is to take the brightest mind in his peer group and put him in a room far away from the round pegs in their nice round holes? That's not helpful to my son or society at large.


I'm always baffled by people who equate "brightness" with the ability to memorize and regurgitate information from media.

If your kid can't pick up on basic social cues, he ain't bright. Just sayin'
 
2013-11-20 09:45:41 PM

Autistic Hiker: Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.


So it's cool for me to beat the shiat out of you if I feel "offended" by you, because that will teach you.

Good to know.
 
2013-11-20 09:53:06 PM

Infernalist: JohnnyApocalypse: Infernalist: The only real solution is to keep the autistic kids out of school if they can't control themselves.  Sorry if that offends you, but maybe it's time to stop catering to the lowest common denominator.

Mainstreaming is difficult because conflict is likely to arise. However, autistic children DO get a lot out of mainstreaming. It really needs to be done with care and not arbitrarily. That's the correct answer. Lowest common denominator. Excellent! Teaching empathy should be a part of the school experience. Looks like we ALL could use more of that, don't you agree?

To a degree, sure.  The answer's somewhere in the middle ground.  But as a parent of three kids, if some other kid went out of his way to verbally abuse my own kids, I'm okay with him retaliating.  Kids fight.  It's not the end of the world for either one of them if someone comes home with a black eye or bloody lip because he got smart-mouthed at some other kid.  Maybe it'll teach him to control himself, and if not, then the autistic kid's parents need to determine if keeping their out of control kid in school is good for him or not.


And if the weaker kid pulled a gun on your kid in a fight that would be ok? Because you know kids fight
 
2013-11-20 09:54:14 PM

Frozboz: This headline has me all confused.  It's either "cold-cocked", "Cole clocked", but NOT "Cole cocked", unless the nephew did something VERY DIFFERENT than punch him.


thatsthejoke
 
2013-11-20 09:56:34 PM

mcmnky: HotWingConspiracy: [bossip.files.wordpress.com image 800x532]
Spudnuts!

Oh man.  That looks like one messed up r-word.  Why would they let someone like that hold a baby?


Yes and then they will blame the kid for doing it instead of the people who pushed him to do it
 
2013-11-20 09:57:23 PM

Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.


fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.
 
2013-11-20 09:59:14 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.


This
 
2013-11-20 10:03:12 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.


Assault is a crime. Insulting someone is not
 
2013-11-20 10:05:41 PM
Since "Cole" is capitalized, and comes after the word "nephew", I read it this way:

My nephew, Cole, cocked him in the mouth.

Hmm. So that's the way it is in their family.
 
2013-11-20 10:07:24 PM

dr_blasto: RexTalionis: theorellior: Shouldn't that be "clocked"?

"Cocked" has a different connotation entirely.

Is the term "coldcocked" (in the sense that one is sucker-punched) not a thing outside of where I grew up?

No, I think the poor kid got cocked by Cole. He probably shouldn't have dressed that way or it wouldn't have happened.


Yes. See? I'm not the only one who sees it this way.

i113.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-20 10:08:13 PM

Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.


in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.
 
2013-11-20 10:12:57 PM

Warlordtrooper: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

I have Asperger's and I agree with all of this. But punching someone just because they're an asshole isn't allowed, either.

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

Seriously, nation of goddamn pussies.

Assault is a crime. Insulting someone is not


Where I come from, kids get in fights. Hell, adults get in fights. You say something bad enough you might get ppunched. Hell, 99% of the local cops will laugh at you if you call them because you got hit for saying something really nasty.

If you have a condition, okay you might get a pass. But for folks who should know better, its the way of the world and the way it should be. shiat has consequences.

/you can't bubble wrap the world.
 
2013-11-20 10:14:37 PM

the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.


Whatever, man :)
 
2013-11-20 10:23:27 PM

Bloody Templar: I wish I could take back all the spankings I gave my oldest before I realized what a slave he is to ASD and anxiety.


So how many times did you beat him?
 
2013-11-20 10:47:53 PM

Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)


You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.
 
2013-11-20 11:00:44 PM

tlchwi02: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

so wait- putting him in a situation where he is being physically attacked by other students who are alleging that he has threatened to kill their parents with guns, calls them horrible names and has physically chased younger children with rocks and bats is GOOD for him? Lord, i would hate to see what putting him in a special school where they do bad things to him would look like.


The_Original_Roxtar: PsiChick: The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is still not allowed.

getting hit in the mouth is a very effective teaching tool. "oh, if I say horrible things to people, they might react violently... got it. no more saying horrible things to people".


...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.
 
2013-11-20 11:16:27 PM
I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.
 
2013-11-20 11:23:17 PM

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.


It still amazes me that the two KIDS involved in this mess told the autistic kid 'Hey, we're sorry we didn't realize that bugged you" and they've probably moved on; meanwhile, here on Fark, adults with the insensitivity and intelligence of a sack of nonfunctioning doorknobs are still going on and on about how autistic kids really aren't as autistic as all that and just need to learn a few manners and how to deal with the brutalities of life.

Kind of makes you wonder who the autistic kids really are, and who the bullies are, and who really need a shot in the mouth for the good of their souls.
 
2013-11-20 11:32:43 PM

ReapTheChaos: I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.


So, you are part of the 'punch someone in the face over words' crowd.  Got it.

There is another hard lesson, first one to throw a punch gets jail.  The bullies will enjoy that one.

/I don't often wish someone like you to have an autistic child for a reason
//You'll end up going to jail for child abuse, and the kid doesn't deserve that.
 
2013-11-20 11:35:31 PM

ReapTheChaos: I've always said a lot of these autistic kids behavior come from everyone handling them with kid gloves, especially the parents, and they get used to getting away with shiat. That will get them so far but when you get into the real world they're going to be learning some hard lessons.


And that's because you're wrong. You don't get it. IF (the big 'if') autistic kids really aren't autistic, then ya, teaching them without kid gloves is probably a good thing. They gotta learn the school of hard knocks, and good parents are around in case the knocks get too hard. And these non-autistic autistics would be weaned into learning that milking some condition just aint gonna cut it.

But I suspect you've never been around a real autistic person, or at least one who has any kind of severe impairment. Because they come in all sorts of flavors (hence why it's termed a spectrum disorder), some are more readily able to relate to the world. It may take them longer to "get it" but they eventually do. And yeah, the real world is rough, so easing them into that real world without false expectations is good. But severe ones? Good luck with tough love. The dark side of autism, especially in males (though I heard that it can happen with females) is the same thing that prevents them from modulating sensory experiences, or understanding emotional modulations, also prevents them from modulating exertion when in fight or flight. You fight with an autistic person, it's all in. Even the smallest autistic person seem to be "unnaturally strong". It's they fight with all their body until exhaustion. Ones with poor motor control seem to be just spasming around until you get cold cocked when they connect. (Oh shoot, I used it correctly). The point of me expressing that is, these kids don't know the fire they're playing with. This kid gets hit and bullied enough, he's gonna possibly break their faces if he decides to retaliate. You have an autistic child that you use "tough love" on? You're gonna teach him the lesson that might enforces right, and if he feels he's right, he's gonna throw it back on you. In essence, if you teach an autistic that hitting is an acceptable expression of anger, that's what he or she will do in spades.
 
2013-11-20 11:35:54 PM

lack of warmth: So, you are part of the 'punch someone in the face over words' crowd.  Got it.


Heck, most FARKers are part of the "punch someone in the face for following you" crowd, judging by their continuous defense of Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-11-20 11:40:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

fark that. People might be a lot more polite if they knew there were consequences to being an asshole. You mouth off enough to piss someone off, you get punched. Lesson learned. Its not like he got shot or beaten with a tire iron.

in Texas, we're a lot more civilized. what would have been a class C misdemeanor suddenly becomes a class A misdemeanor when the victim is disabled. and even unwanted touching is enough to qualify as a class C misdemeanor. so enjoy your year in jail, Mr Punchy McBadass Internet Tough Guy.

Whatever, man :)

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.

It still amazes me that the two KIDS involved in this mess told the autistic kid 'Hey, we're sorry we didn't realize that bugged you" and they've probably moved on; meanwhile, here on Fark, adults with the insensitivity and intelligence of a sack of nonfunctioning doorknobs are still going on and on about how autistic kids really aren't as autistic as all that and just need to learn a few manners and how to deal with the brutalities of life.

Kind of makes you wonder who the autistic kids really are, and who the bullies are, and who really need a shot in the mouth for the good of their souls.


Absolutely.
 
2013-11-20 11:59:03 PM
"Back in my day, if a kid was getting beat up, it was called childhood."
 
2013-11-21 12:14:05 AM

tlchwi02: netizencain: Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up. Because that's just AMERICA

OR- maybe he doesn't belong in class with a bunch of 13 year old boys who aren't going to be very capable of understanding the nuance of a peer who can't control his behavior vs one who simply does not want to control his behavior. Maybe the boy with the issues should be segregated so the normal children can learn in a less disruptive environment.


Yea, this seems like an all-around bad situation. On the one hand, if the kids in the class are being provoked (as it sounds) then I'd have a hard time calling it bullying exactly, but it's still going to be harmful to the autistic kid and disruptive to everyone else.
 
2013-11-21 12:19:19 AM

obamadidcoke: Autistic Hiker: Duke_leto_Atredes: netizencain: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

Ya... so if he calls someone a name, we should beat him up.  Because that's just AMERICA!

a lesson in maners punctuaeted by a black eye will stick. Remember not to call people names and they wont knock you on your @$$. now play nice you little tard.

That doesn't work on people with Asperger's.

Geez you people are slow.

So it's cool for me to beat the shiat out of you if I feel "offended" by you, because that will teach you.

Good to know.


well if i were rude enough to use the terms "asbergers" people do i would expect at the very least a poke in the eye.

this is called negitive feedback training parent used to raise their kids this way when we lived in a free country.
 
2013-11-21 12:20:45 AM

fusillade762: Bit'O'Gristle: n a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying. "We try our best to educate our staff, to educate our students to react to the cases, to investigate the cases we have," Ehn said. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

/So in other words Principal Jackass, you are saying that it's ok that a kid with aspergers is taunted and bullied by other kids, even when it happens in front of you? That you are perfectly comfortable with letting the kids decide how far to go? And you and your staff wont step in? Wow. You Sir, are a complete jackass. What is your exact purpose there? To get a paycheck?

His attitude shocked me as well. What is this: school or "Lord of the Flies"?


School is frequently Lord of the Flies, but not typically when an adult actually witnesses the bullying, and really not when the media shows up.

The superintendent, the principal, the neighbors, and the teachers are all assholes.
 
2013-11-21 12:23:06 AM

PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.


so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?
 
2013-11-21 12:36:16 AM

Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.


as much as i enjoy the occasional troll, i honestly do believe that it's wrong to punch someone in the face for saying something rude to you.

and here's the relevant bits of the texas penal code:
5.22 (a)(3)
5.22 (c)(1)

sorry if, y'know, i was rude about suggesting that people shouldn't get punched in the face. don't punch me in the face about it, eh?
 
2013-11-21 12:39:24 AM

tlchwi02: PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.

so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?


I'm not sure what having to drop art classes has to do with being polite to other students; but if you can forge a causal link there, go you, you've got a career waiting on the Supreme Court someday.
 
2013-11-21 01:17:30 AM

d23: The wholesome, Christian midwest, folks!

Take a bow!


As long as you understand what democracy means to us - that the majority rules in everything, right down to what you eat, wear, say, think, drink, and fark - you'll get along just fine.
 
2013-11-21 01:30:05 AM
Anyone who thinks that big cities are mean has never dealt with a small town
 
2013-11-21 02:06:46 AM

the801: Smackledorfer: Kit Fister: the801: Kit Fister: Chinchillazilla: Benevolent Misanthrope:

You should have started your trolling earlier in tge thread so you didn't have to cry as loudly for attention.

as much as i enjoy the occasional troll, i honestly do believe that it's wrong to punch someone in the face for saying something rude to you.

and here's the relevant bits of the texas penal code:
5.22 (a)(3)
5.22 (c)(1)

sorry if, y'know, i was rude about suggesting that people shouldn't get punched in the face. don't punch me in the face about it, eh?


You might want to reread which post I was replying to.  Hint: It wasn't you.

:)
 
2013-11-21 03:18:27 AM
I upped my meds-up yours
" As long as you understand what democracy means to us - that the majority rules in everything, right down to what you eat, wear, say, think, drink, and fark - you'll get along just fine. "


And, as long as You Learn and remember that's not the case.
The majority only rules as long as the rights of the minority are not violated.
You can't just do whatever you want no matter who gets hurt, you have to respect their rights of free speech, religious belief, assembly to express grievances, privacy in their persons , property and effects, fair trial, and all those other unlisted rights referred to in the constitution as the domain of the states and the people.

Just because more people share one opinion than others do another doesn't mean you can run roughshod over them.

It's a good idea to make sure you know all of what constitutes a democracy ( or, in our case, a democratic republic ) and not just the parts you like.

You may be reminded most unpleasantly some day, and you may not like having your own inaccurate words and opinions thrown back in your face.
 
2013-11-21 05:11:05 AM

PsiChick: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.


I'd like to file this under the school yard code of "don't start none, there won't be none".
 
2013-11-21 06:04:43 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: sometimes insolent little shiats need to get hit in the mouth.
here's betting that he needles others constantly because nobody will discipline him.


This is why we can't have nice things.  (Schools, kids, and other parents think we can just beat the autism out of our children.)
 
2013-11-21 06:08:04 AM

andyofne: If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.



Private schools cost money.  Public schools use mainstreaming as a method to teach social situations.

Instead of trying to teach kids to socialize, this school is just teaching them to be ashamed of their social skills and scared of getting beaten up.
 
2013-11-21 06:11:22 AM

Omahawg: public school is boot camp for adult reality, precious snowflakes



This is why autistic kids grow up thinking that "right" is the same thing as winning the fight.  That is what the school taught them.

Moral of the story:  Next time your your boss criticizes you for coming in late, punch him in the mouth.
 
2013-11-21 07:43:01 AM

AteMyBrain: Benevolent Misanthrope:

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".


Well...no.

No it isn't.

The fact that you believe a child with Aspergers can "learn social norms", conclusively proves that you have absolutely no idea what the fark you're talking about at all, in any way whatsoever. I suspect you're just trolling, but either way, what a perfect moment for you to simply roll over and die.


Reding comprehension wasn't your strong suit in school, was it?

I didn't say a kid with Aspergers could or could not learn social norms. I said that people often excuse their kids' bad behaviour by blaming it on a diagnosis that may not be accurate. Jesus - wtf did your Tard do to get himself in enough trouble for you to be so defensive?

Also - you do realize it's hard for people to take your righteous indignation over bullying seriously when you're telling them you hope they die for something they said on the Internet, right?
 
2013-11-21 08:25:23 AM
If the theory of "you can punch someone who does stupid and offensive shiat" were true then people would be able to assault the Westboro Baptist Church people without consequences.
 
2013-11-21 08:35:38 AM

Chinchillazilla: ZeroKnightRaiden: The few examples of actual Asperger's sufferers that I've had the misfortune of meeting face-to-face really do come across as selfish assholes, presumably as a result of their disorder, and would likely earn some attempts at corrective behavior when placed into an integrated environment.

A lot of them are. But then a lot of us don't announce it and try not to seem "different". I'm basically normal in a social setting except that I can't make much eye contact and I'm really quiet until I get to know you.

 shy.

You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.
 
2013-11-21 09:22:06 AM
chevydeuce: Another genetic lottery loser just wants to be treated the same different than other people?  Cole cock Color me shocked...
 
2013-11-21 09:28:59 AM
Let's loosen the definition of "syndromes" so that anyone can have one. Then add the buzzword "bullying" on top of it. The only syndrome this kid apparently has is that his parents have failed to teach him any respectable social skills, so therefore the children that belong to the rest of society are doing it for them. Thank you, children. Because I don't want to deal with any more entitled little shiats with made up diseases to disguise shiatty parenting than I have to.
 
2013-11-21 09:37:06 AM

devildog123: 3. If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions. If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard. You can't have it both ways.


What you don't realize is that due to budgetary cuts, many school districts are increasingly "mainstreaming" developmentally disabled children.

There's often little to no separation of children with disabilities from 'mainstream' classrooms.
 
2013-11-21 09:45:12 AM

FLMountainMan: You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.


I work with a child on the autism spectrum. I'm working on helping him develop social and communication skills, and I needed to find out how much eye contact he could tolerate. I asked him yesterday to look at my face - not even my eyes, just my face, near my eyes - for as long as he could while we talked about Transformers. Within about twenty seconds he was flapping his hands and grunting in distress and I had to help him out of his fetal position. I eventually coaxed out of him that it was like being stabbed in the brain and the "kidneys" (pointing at his gut).

Part of it is that he's had really screwed-up parenting, but that really shook me up. I know it can be uncomfortable to make eye contact, but for this kid it was one of the most painful experiences he could remember.
 
2013-11-21 10:13:17 AM
"In a video interview with the station, Principal Josh Ehn actually said it is the students' responsibility to handle cases of bullying."

Ok, but, one way or another,  you're going to end up with a lot of dead kids.
 
2013-11-21 10:18:02 AM

captainktainer: FLMountainMan: You're shy.  Millions of kids are and millions of people have been.  People are shy for a variety of reasons.  News at 11.

I work with a child on the autism spectrum. I'm working on helping him develop social and communication skills, and I needed to find out how much eye contact he could tolerate. I asked him yesterdayIt  to look at my face - not even my eyes, just my face, near my eyes - for as long as he could while we talked about Transformers. Within about twenty seconds he was flapping his hands and grunting in distress and I had to help him out of his fetal position. I eventually coaxed out of him that it was like being stabbed in the brain and the "kidneys" (pointing at his gut).

Part of it is that he's had really screwed-up parenting, but that really shook me up. I know it can be uncomfortable to make eye contact, but for this kid it was one of the most painful experiences he could remember.


It is painful to make eye contact for a long period of time, So many people look like idiots in this thread because they don't understand what its like.
 
2013-11-21 10:40:44 AM
Once again the illiterate mouth breathers of Fark can't seem to get their shiat straight.

This article is horribly written.  The story here is that the snowflake is constantly acting out.  He's violent and mouthy.
The other kids at school are tired of him using his disability as a crutch.  They are suffering thru constant interruptions to their education because of snowflake.

Bottom line.. not all challenged kids belong in normal schools.  This kid needs to go somewhere that is more adept at handling his condition.

The victims here are the normal kids who can't get a decent education because of one snowflake.
 
2013-11-21 10:48:07 AM
This reminds me of the time my wife told one of her girlfriends to "clean my cock." What happened next was fairly awkward.
 
2013-11-21 01:48:26 PM

tlchwi02: PsiChick: ...Let me rephrase.  If the students are told to be kind to the special needs student, and if it  works, mainstreaming is good for them. We had more than one kid like that in my high school, and everyone liked them perfectly well. It was great for everyone.

so? why should the other kids have to suffer with the situation? I went to highschool with several kids who required state funded personal aids to be with them 100% of the day to allow them to be mainstreamed. To this day, none of them have jobs or will ever live independent or conventionally productive lives. Given we had to drop 1 AP and 2 art classes because of budget cuts when i was there, yet still had to pay for several full time employees for individual students, i can't help but question if the greater good is being considered. Do the other students deserve to have to try to learn while another child threatens their families, their smaller peers and themselves?


...Because most of the time special-needs students aren't a pain in the ass? If the kid's acting up, ask their aide to talk to them. That will probably be the end of it--because the whole reason Asperger's is different from Assholeitis is that people with Asperger's  honestly don't know what they're doing wrong most of the time. And having come from a school where  every kid was mainstreamed, some of the sweetest people you'll ever meet are special-needs kids.

Patronick313: PsiChick: Benevolent Misanthrope: 1.  Aspergers.  Yes, it's a form of autism, but it's not like the kid is silently rocking in the corner.

2. "Aspergers" is quite often shorthand for "my kid is socially awkward, but I don't like to think he's anything but a precious snowflake, so let's make it Not His Fault and not require him to learn social norms".

3.  If the kid is mainstream enough to be in classes with normal kids, then he's mainstream enough to be held responsible for his actions.  If you think he should be removed from the environment, then you have to admit your kid is a tard.  You can't have it both ways.

The point of an Asperger's diagnosis is to help the kid  learn social norms. It's taken me at least a year to get things like sarcasm down; for a teenager it's even less easy to learn those things. Yes, he's going to act weird, but mainstreaming him is good for him, and hitting people is  still not allowed.

I'd like to file this under the school yard code of "don't start none, there won't be none".


Except for the part where the kid may not have understood he was 'starting' anything, yes...I'm sure that's a code that makes you feel big and tough. Now, here in the adult world we still do not allow violence for any reason, and we also take into account things like 'that kid honestly doesn't get what he's saying'.
 
2013-11-21 03:11:23 PM
6,744 Comments

Looks like I'm going to have to charge up the ol' iPad, pick out a nice 200-song playlist and get my laugh/anger on tonight.
 
2013-11-21 08:59:55 PM

master_dman: Once again the illiterate mouth breathers of Fark can't seem to get their shiat straight.

This article is horribly written.  The story here is that the snowflake is constantly acting out.  He's violent and mouthy.
The other kids at school are tired of him using his disability as a crutch.  They are suffering thru constant interruptions to their education because of snowflake.

Bottom line.. not all challenged kids belong in normal schools.  This kid needs to go somewhere that is more adept at handling his condition.

The victims here are the normal kids who can't get a decent education because of one snowflake.


Let's cut to the chase shall we? Students claim disabled classmate was saying verbally abusive things. It is probably demonstrable.
- cut -
It's decision time. What do you do? Who's at fault? What's the right course of action? What is the respectable and adult thing to do? The disabled classmate should have had some sort of at least nominal supervision to make sure nothing untoward was going on, whether it was his own behavior or his classmates' behavior. The other students should have informed the teacher of the disabled student's words. The teacher should know what's going on and start assessing how bad a problem it is. If it's bad enough and not easily correctable, then conferences should be going on with the disabled child's parents and school psychologists, and yes, if the problem was not easily resolvable and the child was too disruptive, then the mainstreaming should have ceased at that point.
- roll forward -
None of that happens. Child with foul mouth then becomes a target of bullying and violence. It gets recorded for all of posterity. Disabled child's parents rightly outraged (I don't know if they excuse his language or concede that this needs to be worked on). What would be the adult and respectable course of action at this point? Bullying parents might excuse their children's actions but would otherwise apologize for the harm inflicted. Or keep quiet at least. School administrators would review the case and if no punitive action levied, would at least start putting steps in place that were preventative and move toward a solution. Did any of this happen? Nope. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

So. You're bottom line is NOT the bottom line. Not only that, though you force me to assume from the way you word it, you don't equate some kids shouldn't be mainstreamed as the fault of administrators just letting things fly (which they are), but somehow as the onus of parents. I know a lot of parents of autistic children who are informed on things like mainstreaming and techniques on what may be good or bad for their children in particular. But a lot of parents just don't know. They trust that the school and the pscyhologists and people "who do this for a living" should know better than them whether mainstreaming is good or not. And even if a parent DOES think mainstreaming is a good idea for their child, they don't get to choose. The school makes that call. Sure a parent can try and move to a new school district. I'm sure some do. But they do want what's best for their kids. And just like I wouldn't want my kid to suffer verbal abuse, I wouldn't want someone else's to suffer physical abuse at my son's hands. They're trite sayings, but they're also true... the ends do NOT justify the means. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
 
2013-11-21 09:11:12 PM

JohnnyApocalypse: master_dman: Once again the illiterate mouth breathers of Fark can't seem to get their shiat straight.

This article is horribly written.  The story here is that the snowflake is constantly acting out.  He's violent and mouthy.
The other kids at school are tired of him using his disability as a crutch.  They are suffering thru constant interruptions to their education because of snowflake.

Bottom line.. not all challenged kids belong in normal schools.  This kid needs to go somewhere that is more adept at handling his condition.

The victims here are the normal kids who can't get a decent education because of one snowflake.

Let's cut to the chase shall we? Students claim disabled classmate was saying verbally abusive things. It is probably demonstrable.
- cut -
It's decision time. What do you do? Who's at fault? What's the right course of action? What is the respectable and adult thing to do? The disabled classmate should have had some sort of at least nominal supervision to make sure nothing untoward was going on, whether it was his own behavior or his classmates' behavior. The other students should have informed the teacher of the disabled student's words. The teacher should know what's going on and start assessing how bad a problem it is. If it's bad enough and not easily correctable, then conferences should be going on with the disabled child's parents and school psychologists, and yes, if the problem was not easily resolvable and the child was too disruptive, then the mainstreaming should have ceased at that point.
- roll forward -
None of that happens. Child with foul mouth then becomes a target of bullying and violence. It gets recorded for all of posterity. Disabled child's parents rightly outraged (I don't know if they excuse his language or concede that this needs to be worked on). What would be the adult and respectable course of action at this point? Bullying parents might excuse their children's actions but would otherwise apologize for the harm inflicted. Or keep quiet at least. School administrators would review the case and if no punitive action levied, would at least start putting steps in place that were preventative and move toward a solution. Did any of this happen? Nope. "But ultimately, it's got to come down to the kids to take ownership for this and to stand up for the kids who can't stand up for themselves."

So. You're bottom line is NOT the bottom line. Not only that, though you force me to assume from the way you word it, you don't equate some kids shouldn't be mainstreamed as the fault of administrators just letting things fly (which they are), but somehow as the onus of parents. I know a lot of parents of autistic children who are informed on things like mainstreaming and techniques on what may be good or bad for their children in particular. But a lot of parents just don't know. They trust that the school and the pscyhologists and people "who do this for a living" should know better than them whether mainstreaming is good or not. And even if a parent DOES think mainstreaming is a good idea for their child, they don't get to choose. The school makes that call. Sure a parent can try and move to a new school district. I'm sure some do. But they do want what's best for their kids. And just like I wouldn't want my kid to suffer verbal abuse, I wouldn't want someone else's to suffer physical abuse at my son's hands. They're trite sayings, but they're also true... the ends do NOT justify the means. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.


"But a lot of parents just don't know. They trust that the school and the pscyhologists and people "who do this for a living" should know better than them whether mainstreaming is good or not. "

Which was their first mistake.

"And even if a parent DOES think mainstreaming is a good idea for their child, they don't get to choose. The school makes that call. "

Actually, to some extent they do. The parents are considered part of the IEP team and have leverage thereof. (Which a lot of school districts do their damnedest to obfuscate.) But it requires a great deal of intestinal fortitude, and money for attorneys, to fight a district that doesn't wanna go along.
 
2013-11-21 09:33:46 PM
Betcha five bucks that the parents of the kids doing the bullying were in one or more of the following categories:
1. teachers, staff or paraprofessionals
2. lawyers
3. school board members
4. rich
5. car dealership owners (wtf is it with kids of dealership owners?  Does the willing-to-cheat-people gene also include a predisposition to violence at an early age?)
6. PTA member
7. Politician
8. Close personal friends with one or more of the above

Those kids learn early on they can get away with whatever they want at school because Mommy and Daddy will take care of it when they get caught.
 
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