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(Some Guy)   Not wanting to be outdone by the NSA, your new LG Smart TV comes with a Terms and Conditions as well as a Privacy Policy   (doctorbeet.blogspot.ru) divider line 90
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2013-11-20 03:11:41 PM
I wonder how many other "Don't send info to our servers" options don't actually do anything.
 
2013-11-20 03:11:57 PM
It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..
 
2013-11-20 03:12:01 PM
Is anybody else annoyed that manufacturers are now throwing ads onto crap and marketing it as a got-damned FEATURE?

Fark that. I'll skip smart TVs if that's the shiat that will be involved.
 
2013-11-20 03:12:33 PM
I will never own a "smart" device of any kind. They are the scourge of the modern age, stealing our lives from us minute by minute. I can't imagine what it's like to be constantly tethered to the office or being spied upon by g-spooks (and now Korean televisions).

I live simply, away from this so-called technological progress, and I'm quite happy. I leave work, and I'm on my own time. I don't worry about my personal data being leaked, because I don't use Facebook. I don't worry that the NSA is stealing my data because I don't use public networks. I don't worry that I'm being filmed jacking off in front of my tv because I will never own a television with a camera.

Wake up, people. Don't give in to "convenience".
 
2013-11-20 03:13:16 PM
At this point, I decided to do some traffic analysis to see what was being sent.  It turns out that viewing information appears to be being sent regardless of whether this option is set to On or Off.

That is not cool.
 
2013-11-20 03:13:50 PM
So, now I have to rename my folder to 'instruction manual' before I plug in my usb for some 'me time'?

Not gonna happen.

Who buys LG TV's anyway? If I want a cheap but decent brand, I'll go with Vizio, and if I want a good brand I'll go with Sony or Samsung.
 
2013-11-20 03:14:13 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


That doesn't actually stop it from doing anything.  Either way, what's a more consumer privacy friendly feature:  Automatically sending lists of video files you watch by default, or asking if you'd like LG to see your extensive collection of donkey pr0n?
 
2013-11-20 03:14:51 PM
Time to start naming all of my files suckitLG001.jpg and DIAF_nosey_LG_bastards0012.mp3 etc.
 
2013-11-20 03:16:10 PM
Is there a section on Rubbing One Out? Just asking for a friend.
 
2013-11-20 03:16:41 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


The off toggle that does nothing?
 
2013-11-20 03:17:07 PM
Guiltly of not reading the full article..  It's rare but I am guilty of it. Even if the url doesn't work it's no excuse for it to still collect it.
 
2013-11-20 03:17:20 PM
The advice we have been given is that unfortunately you accepted the Terms and Conditions on your TV

"I'm gonna click decline"
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-11-20 03:18:27 PM

aelat: styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..

The off toggle that does nothing?


Don't be ridiculous. It turns off the indicator light.
 
2013-11-20 03:18:34 PM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
Life imitates art I guess.

/++ungood.
 
2013-11-20 03:18:51 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


Know how we know you didn't read TFA?
 
2013-11-20 03:19:53 PM

mayIFark: So, now I have to rename my folder to 'instruction manual' before I plug in my usb for some 'me time'?

Not gonna happen.

Who buys LG TV's anyway? If I want a cheap but decent brand, I'll go with Vizio, and if I want a good brand I'll go with Sony or Samsung.


I've had good luck with Panasonic as far as not too pricey but still solid TVs go.  I don't really know anything, though.
 
2013-11-20 03:20:29 PM

styckx: Guiltly of not reading the full article..  It's rare but I am guilty of it. Even if the url doesn't work it's no excuse for it to still collect it.


Um...

(Really. Go back and read the full article before you post again. Please.)
 
2013-11-20 03:20:54 PM

styckx: Even if the url doesn't work it's no excuse for it to still collect it.


It returns a 404, which means there's a server there.  And if there's a server there it could still be logging.
 
2013-11-20 03:21:14 PM
Chromecast is a pretty big nail in the Smart TV coffin.
 
2013-11-20 03:22:18 PM

www.thehollywoodnews.com


Don't forget to hide in the corner if you're going to read or write.

 
2013-11-20 03:22:18 PM
my tv should not have a T&C agreement.
 
2013-11-20 03:23:15 PM

waterrockets: Chromecast is a pretty big nail in the Smart TV coffin.


Yah but that's google, same farking end-result except they already have way more then your educational video viewing habits on you already.
 
2013-11-20 03:25:40 PM

waterrockets: Chromecast is a pretty big nail in the Smart TV coffin.


If you think Chromecast is cool, you should look at Roku. Hundreds more channels.
 
2013-11-20 03:26:46 PM

BumpInTheNight: waterrockets: Chromecast is a pretty big nail in the Smart TV coffin.

Yah but that's google, same farking end-result except they already have way more then your educational video viewing habits on you already.


Now if you combine them all w/ your Smart phone.. Dataminingception

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-20 03:28:29 PM
Is this supposed to be new? I have that on the LG TV I bought 18 months ago.
 
2013-11-20 03:28:57 PM
Keep telling people, it's not 'big government,' it's 'big data.'   Unless you're a terrorist, the NSA doesn't give a shiat who you are.  Google on the other hand wants to know when you take a shiat, where you take a shiat, and how much it weights so it can more effectively target your ass to toilet paper manufacturers.


And they've got zero constitutional constraints.
 
2013-11-20 03:31:09 PM

mikebdoss: waterrockets: Chromecast is a pretty big nail in the Smart TV coffin.

If you think Chromecast is cool, you should look at Roku. Hundreds more channels.


This. There's also an Android app called "Twonky Beam" that will let you play Youtube and other Internet content through your Roku. It works like a remote control. Once the content starts streaming, you don't need to have the App open anymore. (You can also stream video directly from your device to the Roku)
 
2013-11-20 03:32:57 PM

DarnoKonrad: Unless you're a terrorist, the NSA doesn't give a shiat who you are.


Maybe. How do you know?

And and the NSA shares data with other agencies, local, state, and federal, who care about what you're doing even if it isn't terrorism.
 
2013-11-20 03:34:45 PM

DarnoKonrad: Keep telling people, it's not 'big government,' it's 'big data.'   Unless you're a terrorist, the NSA doesn't give a shiat who you are.  Google on the other hand wants to know when you take a shiat, where you take a shiat, and how much it weights so it can more effectively target your ass to toilet paper manufacturers.


And they've got zero constitutional constraints.


It amazes me how many people that are terrified of government have absolutely no fear of businesses.
 
2013-11-20 03:34:47 PM
My hardware shouldn't be delivering ads in the first place unless the ads are DEEPLY subsidizing the cost of that hardware.  I don't mind advertiser supported content.  If I'm getting to watch the show for free or way cheaper than it should be, I get that my viewing ads is part of the deal.  It makes it so the thing I like to watch can keep being made or keep being aired.  But the TV itself is already paid for.  That ad revenue isn't going to the people making the show I like, not a penny of it.  Sounds like the ads are on the home screen no matter what I intend to do with the TV, be it watching free content, advertiser supported content, or even content that I've already paid for or even created on my own.  Why would anyone pay big bucks for a TV that's going to show ads no matter what like that?  Who wants to pay full price for hardware that just raises more money for the hardware company?  If they want to get a TV that shows ads on its own no matter what into my home, it's going to have to be a hell of a bargain.

/ I love my non-smart non-spying LG tv
 
2013-11-20 03:36:25 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I will never own a "smart" device of any kind. They are the scourge of the modern age, stealing our lives from us minute by minute. I can't imagine what it's like to be constantly tethered to the office or being spied upon by g-spooks (and now Korean televisions).

I live simply, away from this so-called technological progress, and I'm quite happy. I leave work, and I'm on my own time. I don't worry about my personal data being leaked, because I don't use Facebook. I don't worry that the NSA is stealing my data because I don't use public networks. I don't worry that I'm being filmed jacking off in front of my tv because I will never own a television with a camera.

Wake up, people. Don't give in to "convenience".


Ditto.
Also. you are buying a POS human tracking device with a 3 point font and additional finer print attached
Not the kind of freedom I enjoy.
 
2013-11-20 03:37:50 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


RTFA. The off toggle doesn't stop the information being sent.

That's quite creepy.
 
2013-11-20 03:39:42 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


The off toggle doesn't work.  That's a big farking issue.
 
2013-11-20 03:40:13 PM
Just bought one last week.
Not getting a kick.
 
2013-11-20 03:41:16 PM
I am in the market for a new TV.

Now I know I can at least check LG off my list...
 
2013-11-20 03:42:46 PM
This thread needs more Max Headroom references. Seriously.
 
2013-11-20 03:43:05 PM

ToastTheRabbit: my tv should not have a T&C agreement.



End of story.
 
2013-11-20 03:44:26 PM

blottoman: Just bought one last week.
Not getting a kick.


There is your problem, why would you buy a TV two weeks before black friday.

/Not really, black friday is not only over crowded, its overrated too
 
2013-11-20 03:48:40 PM
What if it isn't directly connected to the network?  I connect my macbook to my TV with an HDMI cable and watch through that..  Or watch Netflix through the xbox via HDMI.  Could it go backwards through there?  Granted, all that stuff is datamined too but would it stop the LG from phoning home?
 
2013-11-20 03:48:55 PM

redstarr01: My hardware shouldn't be delivering ads in the first place unless the ads are DEEPLY subsidizing the cost of that hardware.  I don't mind advertiser supported content.  If I'm getting to watch the show for free or way cheaper than it should be, I get that my viewing ads is part of the deal.  It makes it so the thing I like to watch can keep being made or keep being aired.  But the TV itself is already paid for.  That ad revenue isn't going to the people making the show I like, not a penny of it.  Sounds like the ads are on the home screen no matter what I intend to do with the TV, be it watching free content, advertiser supported content, or even content that I've already paid for or even created on my own.  Why would anyone pay big bucks for a TV that's going to show ads no matter what like that?  Who wants to pay full price for hardware that just raises more money for the hardware company?  If they want to get a TV that shows ads on its own no matter what into my home, it's going to have to be a hell of a bargain.

/ I love my non-smart non-spying LG tv


Exactly. I wonder what the hell those ads are even for. Unless LG is using revenue from the ads to support a necessary online service to connect you to content, there's no reason for it. It's profiteering at the expense of the consumer. There's no reason a streaming device would need to support itself via revenue- like with Rokus, it's the services themselves writing apps that connect directly to the service. Once you set up a Roku there's no further need for Roku to do one damn thing for you to watch Netflix or anything else. Thus, no need for ads.

So what's LG doing with that?

/Have an LG TV. It's OK.
//Apparently won't be buying another- ever.
 
2013-11-20 03:50:10 PM
I think my favorite is OnStar.  Even if you do not activate it, they can still track you with it.

Is it related?  By a wee thread.  Do I care - LET'S GO RIDE BIKES!
 
2013-11-20 03:51:20 PM

mayIFark: blottoman: Just bought one last week.
Not getting a kick.

There is your problem, why would you buy a TV two weeks before black friday.

/Not really, black friday is not only over crowded, its overrated too


I'll pay more cash. I hole up on friday and drink off my hangover.
 
2013-11-20 03:55:22 PM

mayIFark: So, now I have to rename my folder to 'instruction manual' before I plug in my usb for some 'me time'?

Not gonna happen.

Who buys LG TV's anyway? If I want a cheap but decent brand, I'll go with Vizio, and if I want a good brand I'll go with Sony or Samsung.


Poor people.  You know, the ones that constantly make poor decisions.
 
2013-11-20 04:00:24 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: [www.thehollywoodnews.com image 850x478]
Don't forget to hide in the corner if you're going to read or write.


When do we get to nail Suzanna Hamilton?
 
2013-11-20 04:01:52 PM

DarnoKonrad: And they've got zero constitutional constraints.


The NSA does?  How's that working out for us.?
 
2013-11-20 04:02:04 PM

redstarr01: My hardware shouldn't be delivering ads in the first place unless the ads are DEEPLY subsidizing the cost of that hardware.  I don't mind advertiser supported content.  If I'm getting to watch the show for free or way cheaper than it should be, I get that my viewing ads is part of the deal.  It makes it so the thing I like to watch can keep being made or keep being aired.  But the TV itself is already paid for.  That ad revenue isn't going to the people making the show I like, not a penny of it.  Sounds like the ads are on the home screen no matter what I intend to do with the TV, be it watching free content, advertiser supported content, or even content that I've already paid for or even created on my own.  Why would anyone pay big bucks for a TV that's going to show ads no matter what like that?  Who wants to pay full price for hardware that just raises more money for the hardware company?  If they want to get a TV that shows ads on its own no matter what into my home, it's going to have to be a hell of a bargain.

/ I love my non-smart non-spying LG tv


In fact, it might be a cool approach to making nice tech more affordable if companies made two versions, the ad supported and info collecting model and the no-ads privacy protecting model.  The ad supported one could be cheap and the no-ad one would be full price.  That way everyone could be happy.  Folks who feel like their TV collecting that kind of info isn't a big bother to them and who don't mind seeing targeted advertising could get a great deal on a nice device.  Folks who don't want anyone to know what they're watching or who don't like to see the targeted ads would have the option to buy a device that works that way.  The TV company would get paid either way, through the ad revenue and selling the data collected off the cheap model and through the higher purchase price of the private model. 

My television use and viewing habits are boring and the kind of thing that I don't really care who knows.  It's not a part of my life that I feel very concerned about privacy wise.  If I'm going to be seeing them, I prefer for ads to be targeted so that there's at least a chance they might be for something I might find interesting.  And if the ads aren't terribly intrusive,  I could see myself being totally cool with them if they dropped the price of a nice TV dramatically. But I do know some folks who might be more sensitive about keeping what they're watching a secret and some parents that are trying to limit their kids' exposure to marketing that might gladly pay full price to opt for the no-spying no-advertising model.
 
2013-11-20 04:02:43 PM

K3rmy: I think my favorite is OnStar.  Even if you do not activate it, they can still track you with it.

Is it related?  By a wee thread.  Do I care - LET'S GO RIDE BIKES!


I thought the explanation for that had to do with liability...like an OnStar equipped vehicle gets in an accident or stolen, and somehow GM/OnStar could theoretically sued for not proactively helping...
 
2013-11-20 04:10:46 PM
The NSA works with data miners already, like LG and the services they pass data to, and there have been past proposals to actually video tape watchers so that advertisers could target advertising based on such things as views of your posessions or the clothes you wear. Tis genie is out of the bottle already, and it's all because no one stood up, citizens or politicians, when out digital lives were stolen.
 
2013-11-20 04:12:04 PM

styckx: It has a farking off toggle, this is a non-issue..


Yea, I read an article on /. saying it doesn't do anything. The TV kept shipping all sorts of info back. They would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling packing-sniffing kids.
 
2013-11-20 04:24:26 PM

Dafatone: DarnoKonrad: Keep telling people, it's not 'big government,' it's 'big data.'   Unless you're a terrorist, the NSA doesn't give a shiat who you are.  Google on the other hand wants to know when you take a shiat, where you take a shiat, and how much it weights so it can more effectively target your ass to toilet paper manufacturers.


And they've got zero constitutional constraints.

It amazes me how many people that are terrified of government have absolutely no fear of businesses.


First off, like who? How common is it really, to be freaked out about the gov't spying and not corporate spying?

There are a lot of paranoid people though.
 
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