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(USA Today)   Article lede: Family that stiffed waitress out of tip because of her "gay lifestyle" still welcome at restaurant. Actual quote by restaurant's GM: "By law we cannot stop them from coming back to eat here"   (usatoday.com) divider line 214
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2013-11-20 02:54:42 PM  
Sucks that they can remain anonymous in their dickishness, but love the general response and outpouring support from everyone else with functioning brain and heart.

/maybe there's still hope for the human race
 
2013-11-20 02:55:24 PM  
What happened to the right to refuse service?
 
2013-11-20 02:55:55 PM  
With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.
 
2013-11-20 02:57:26 PM  
"This is a public place. By law we can't stop them."

Whatever happened to:

www.mydoorsign.com

???
 
2013-11-20 03:01:14 PM  
You can stiff lesbians?  This seems counterintuitive.
 
2013-11-20 03:07:37 PM  

cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.


"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class
 
2013-11-20 03:07:43 PM  
Sure, they can get served...spit and rat droppings.
 
2013-11-20 03:08:34 PM  

Donnchadha: cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.

"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class


According to that state it is
 
2013-11-20 03:12:10 PM  
I hope the restaurant knows who this family is, and hope they have a phone tree set up so that, 5 minutes after they come in, the entire gay population from five counties around is on their way to the restaurant to give the family a show they won't soon forget.
 
2013-11-20 03:14:25 PM  

cman: Donnchadha: cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.

"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class

According to that state it is


[citation needed]
 
2013-11-20 03:15:59 PM  

Donnchadha: cman: Donnchadha: cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.

"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class

According to that state it is

[citation needed]


FTA: "This is a public place. By law we can't stop them."

While I was wrong about it being a protected class, I was right that you can't treat anyone differently.
 
2013-11-20 03:23:52 PM  
No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"
 
2013-11-20 03:24:02 PM  

cman: Donnchadha: cman: Donnchadha: cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.

"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class

According to that state it is

[citation needed]

FTA: "This is a public place. By law we can't stop them."

While I was wrong about it being a protected class, I was right that you can't treat anyone differently.


Just because the shop owner said it doesn't mean it's true -- he could be wrong. Thus, [citation needed].

A guy comes into your restaurant not having bathed in a week and right after swimming in raw sewage. You have every damn right not to serve him because he cause a disruption to the health and safety of your other guests.

If a group comes into the place and decides to just sit there and not order anything except water and free bread, you have the right to ask them to leave because they are costing your business money.

Similarly, if this family makes a habit of coming there and not tipping, the shop owner is required to make up the tip difference to the waitress (up to minimum wage). This is costing them money (although they are profiting from the Internet outrage, currently). In this particular case, he comped a meal to give the waitress a tip. He should have every right to refuse service to somebody who, while technically didn't steal, ended up costing the owner money by their patronage.
 
2013-11-20 03:25:05 PM  
their food isn't likely to be very pure
 
2013-11-20 03:25:34 PM  
I tipped a gay waiter once and the next week my grandson was wearing assless chaps while dancing on a table and singing Lady Gaga during his gay honeymoon, so I know how this couple feels. Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
2013-11-20 03:26:29 PM  

cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.


Actually, in many states, they can.  ENDA is a big deal because "You're gay, and I don't like gay people, so you're fired" is perfectly legal in many parts of the country.
 
2013-11-20 03:26:46 PM  

Donnchadha: cman: Donnchadha: cman: Donnchadha: cman: With equality laws, one must take the good with the bad. Businesses can't treat someone else differently.

"Ignorant Jackass" is not a protected class

According to that state it is

[citation needed]

FTA: "This is a public place. By law we can't stop them."

While I was wrong about it being a protected class, I was right that you can't treat anyone differently.

Just because the shop owner said it doesn't mean it's true -- he could be wrong. Thus, [citation needed].

A guy comes into your restaurant not having bathed in a week and right after swimming in raw sewage. You have every damn right not to serve him because he cause a disruption to the health and safety of your other guests.

If a group comes into the place and decides to just sit there and not order anything except water and free bread, you have the right to ask them to leave because they are costing your business money.

Similarly, if this family makes a habit of coming there and not tipping, the shop owner is required to make up the tip difference to the waitress (up to minimum wage). This is costing them money (although they are profiting from the Internet outrage, currently). In this particular case, he comped a meal to give the waitress a tip. He should have every right to refuse service to somebody who, while technically didn't steal, ended up costing the owner money by their patronage.


You have the right to refuse to engage his baseless argument.
 
2013-11-20 03:26:53 PM  

The Briny Derp: What happened to the right to refuse service


The public accommodation clause of the Civil Rights Act  of 1964
 
2013-11-20 03:29:24 PM  

Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"


It IS a place of public accommodation and is subject to equality laws -- you can't make your lunch counter open to "Whites Only" anymore. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prevents discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin.

However, "ignorant jackass" is not one of those protected classes.
 
2013-11-20 03:35:31 PM  
Go and eat there if you want, but I'd suggest avoiding the egg drop soup.
 
2013-11-20 03:35:49 PM  
Donnchadha:

Similarly, if this family makes a habit of coming there and not tipping, the shop owner is required to make up the tip difference to the waitress (up to minimum wage). This is costing them money (although they are profiting from the Internet outrage, currently). In this particular case, he comped a meal to give the waitress a tip. He should have every right to refuse service to somebody who, while technically didn't steal, ended up costing the owner money by their patronage.


I would think acting like a douche to a waiter and refusing to tip them while making a comment about their lifestyle would be grounds enough to refuse them service.  If I walked into a restaurant and was rude to the waiter/waitress and told them up front that I wasn't giving them a tip because I didn't like the way they looked, the manager would (or should) have me out on my ass and would be well within their rights to do so.  The only difference here is the religious motivation with the customers which I don't think should apply.  I think, rather than the comped meal situation you describe, them simply being dicks to the waiter is enough.

Personally, I would welcome them back if I were the manager...I'm usually vehemently against screwing with someone's food but in this case, their dessert should come a-la cammode.
 
2013-11-20 03:38:30 PM  

UberDave: Donnchadha:

Similarly, if this family makes a habit of coming there and not tipping, the shop owner is required to make up the tip difference to the waitress (up to minimum wage). This is costing them money (although they are profiting from the Internet outrage, currently). In this particular case, he comped a meal to give the waitress a tip. He should have every right to refuse service to somebody who, while technically didn't steal, ended up costing the owner money by their patronage.


I would think acting like a douche to a waiter and refusing to tip them while making a comment about their lifestyle would be grounds enough to refuse them service.  If I walked into a restaurant and was rude to the waiter/waitress and told them up front that I wasn't giving them a tip because I didn't like the way they looked, the manager would (or should) have me out on my ass and would be well within their rights to do so.  The only difference here is the religious motivation with the customers which I don't think should apply.  I think, rather than the comped meal situation you describe, them simply being dicks to the waiter is enough.

Personally, I would welcome them back if I were the manager...I'm usually vehemently against screwing with someone's food but in this case, their dessert should come a-la cammode.


I'd like to see somebody argue -- in court -- that actively hating gay people is part of their established religion.
 
2013-11-20 03:43:27 PM  

Donnchadha: Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"

It IS a place of public accommodation and is subject to equality laws -- you can't make your lunch counter open to "Whites Only" anymore. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prevents discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin.

However, "ignorant jackass" is not one of those protected classes.


That's what I'm sayin.
 
2013-11-20 03:48:07 PM  
There might be an argument to make that if he banned the family because of this, that he was banning them because of their creed, which is actually illegal to do in the State of New Jersey for a public accommodation.

Maybe not a particularly convincing argument, but there you have it.
 
2013-11-20 03:54:58 PM  
The owner is doing the right thing, and his Marine-veteran employee (who donated all or a large chunk of the donations people have sent to Wounded Warrior Project) is too by taking the high road.  Look at them: being the example, turning the other cheek.

Which should be an absolute embarrassment to the bigoted customers, if they had any shame to feel in the first place.
 
2013-11-20 03:57:32 PM  

Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"


The Lunch counters of the 1960's whole-heartedly agree with you, but the Civil Rights Act would like a word
 
2013-11-20 04:02:43 PM  
One order of food poisoning, coming up...
 
2013-11-20 04:12:40 PM  

Magorn: Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"

The Lunch counters of the 1960's whole-heartedly agree with you, but the Civil Rights Act would like a word


Unless I'm wrong, I believe that covers kicking someone out based on race, religion, and other "protected classes".  If a restaurant sees you as a jerk, I believe they can ban you.
 
2013-11-20 04:13:25 PM  

mediablitz: One order of food poisoning, coming up...


Seriously...unless they want a big plate of spaghetti and snot-balls they'd better stay away from that restaurant.
 
2013-11-20 04:17:17 PM  

downstairs: Magorn: Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"

The Lunch counters of the 1960's whole-heartedly agree with you, but the Civil Rights Act would like a word

Unless I'm wrong, I believe that covers kicking someone out based on race, religion, and other "protected classes".  If a restaurant sees you as a jerk, I believe they can ban you.


But what if being a jerk is part of their religion?

I'm honestly asking because I feel like this is exactly what will happen. They'll use their religion as a shield to deflect all blame, and then as a sword when they sue for religious discrimination.
 
2013-11-20 04:27:37 PM  

scottydoesntknow: downstairs: Magorn: Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"

The Lunch counters of the 1960's whole-heartedly agree with you, but the Civil Rights Act would like a word

Unless I'm wrong, I believe that covers kicking someone out based on race, religion, and other "protected classes".  If a restaurant sees you as a jerk, I believe they can ban you.

But what if being a jerk is part of their religion?

I'm honestly asking because I feel like this is exactly what will happen. They'll use their religion as a shield to deflect all blame, and then as a sword when they sue for religious discrimination.


Show me the part of scripture that says "thou shall not tip a gay waitress"?
 
2013-11-20 04:33:30 PM  

what_now: scottydoesntknow: downstairs: Magorn: Walker: No such law. Get a brain moran.
Private property is not a "public place"

The Lunch counters of the 1960's whole-heartedly agree with you, but the Civil Rights Act would like a word

Unless I'm wrong, I believe that covers kicking someone out based on race, religion, and other "protected classes".  If a restaurant sees you as a jerk, I believe they can ban you.

But what if being a jerk is part of their religion?

I'm honestly asking because I feel like this is exactly what will happen. They'll use their religion as a shield to deflect all blame, and then as a sword when they sue for religious discrimination.

Show me the part of scripture that says "thou shall not tip a gay waitress"?


I will when you show me the scripture that says "thou shalt tip at all times"

Some Christians think homosexuality is wrong because of various scriptures (of course while ignoring other scriptures that might affect them). In the family's warped minds, they are passively supporting the lifestyle by tipping.

I'm not saying it makes sense (but very little does in religion), I'm just saying what I imagine will happen.
 
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2013-11-20 04:33:34 PM  
The Briny Derp: What happened to the right to refuse service?

In some states businesses open to the public have limited to exclude members of the public. I'm not talking about anti-discrimination laws here. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit enumerated classes of reasons, like race and sex, from being used. They don't prohibit arbitrary forms of discrimination other than those listed.

Under some states' trespass laws I could ban a person from my restaurant because I don't like him or I think he's ugly. In other states I would need a legitimate business reason.
 
2013-11-20 04:46:10 PM  
I don't think it's illegal to announce over the loudspeakers: "Attention: the homophobic family that refuses to tip people that they think are gay are back and are being seated right now." Is it? I don't think so.

Maybe they'd feel really uncomfortable being stared at as some kind of freaks. That would just be horrible, wouldn't it. Just horrible to be singled out like that.
 
2013-11-20 04:46:21 PM  
Question:  How would they have known she was gay?  Did walk up to their table and say "Hi, I'm Marcie.  I'll be your server tonight, and oh, by the way, I eat muff."
 
2013-11-20 04:46:28 PM  
Serve them Halal meat in their next burger, and tell them so.

Mind you, they will claim discrimination.
 
2013-11-20 04:47:47 PM  

Nickster79: Sucks that they can remain anonymous in their dickishness


welcome to fark?
 
2013-11-20 04:47:58 PM  
Am I the only one who questions whether that was a legit "tip"? Seems odd to me that they would automatically assume she is lesbian just because of her short hair.
 
2013-11-20 04:48:30 PM  
Serve them water.
Come back an hour later and take their order.
Come back an hour later with their food.
Come back an hour later, take away the dirty dishes, say you'll be back in a moment with their check.
Come back an hour later with their check.

The problem will work itself out.
 
2013-11-20 04:48:59 PM  
Why would a lesbian be interested even if it was just the tip?
 
2013-11-20 04:49:12 PM  

comslave: Question:  How would they have known she was gay?  Did walk up to their table and say "Hi, I'm Marcie.  I'll be your server tonight.  , and oh, by the way, I eat Try the muff."


FTFY.
 
2013-11-20 04:50:25 PM  
I think they can tack on a mandatory 18% tip whenever they come in though. And still have the lesbian waitress serve them.
 
2013-11-20 04:51:01 PM  
"We reserve the right to refuse service to Aßßholes like you."
 
2013-11-20 04:51:08 PM  
People will use anything to try and get out of paying the bill or tipping.

- Empty plates of food but the food wasn't cooked properly
- The table was in the wrong spot
- The waitress said something rude

Whatever it takes to skip out on paying part or all of the bill.
 
2013-11-20 04:51:46 PM  
Excuse me - "lede"?

What's "lede"?
 
2013-11-20 04:53:09 PM  
They might be ALLOWED to eat there again....

But I wouldn't recommend it.
 
2013-11-20 04:53:26 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Serve them water.
Come back an hour later and take their order.
Come back an hour later with their food.
Come back an hour later, take away the dirty dishes, say you'll be back in a moment with their check.
Come back an hour later with their check.

The problem will work itself out.


Well they will just leave a bad review on Yelp man!
 
2013-11-20 04:54:23 PM  
If theres any justice in the world, these people are going to have a lot more spit in their diets.
 
2013-11-20 04:55:25 PM  
They REALLY want to go back? I have a feeling they are going to get the poo poo (sic) platter, regardless of what they order.
 
2013-11-20 04:55:26 PM  
Since a few of these have turned out to be hoaxes, and the family involved hasn't been identified or come forward, we only have half the story.  We have no way of knowing if this is 100% true on its face, or if she was just a lousy waitress and they chose to not leave a tip because she was a lousy waitress, and she wrote the note herself.

Since every time one of these stiffed wait-staff things goes viral and donations pour in, I'm going to choose to take this with a grain of salt until we get a bit more information.
 
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