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(io9)   Io9 has ranked every single Doctor Who story from best to worst in a list that must have taken three regenerations to compile   (io9.com ) divider line 142
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2013-11-20 02:14:31 PM  
Will repeat his initial comment form the redlit thread:

/gets the popcorn

This should be an interesting discussion.  Haven't seen Caves of Androzani which I should; The Pyramids of Mars should be a top 5 story.  Sutekh was a very dangerous foe for The Doctor.
 
2013-11-20 02:15:50 PM  
Blink and Midnight were farking amazing. Intense episodes with awesome monsters. Easily two of my favorites.
 
2013-11-20 02:21:05 PM  
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2013-11-20 02:24:45 PM  
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Best episode ever.
 
2013-11-20 02:26:28 PM  
Empty Child/Doctor Dances should be higher up the list, and The Doctor's Wife was 50% excellent, 50% terrible, certainly not all time top 10.
 
2013-11-20 02:27:53 PM  

Hebalo: Empty Child/Doctor Dances should be higher up the list, and The Doctor's Wife was 50% excellent, 50% terrible, certainly not all time top 10.


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2013-11-20 02:28:02 PM  
Remembrance of the Daleks should be ranked higher.  Both the Doctor and Ace kicked butt.
 
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2013-11-20 02:29:36 PM  
Agree on their love and monsters take, the last five minutes took it from a decent fun quirky episode past the limit of palatability.  Just terrible.
 
2013-11-20 02:31:25 PM  
Glad to see midnight so high up. Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.

/still waiting for the last season to hit Netflix streaming
 
2013-11-20 02:31:26 PM  
I think that, since it turns out he was basically the real-life inspiration for James Bond, any episode featuring John Pertwee as the Doctor gets retroactively awwrded 30 more cool points
 
2013-11-20 02:32:24 PM  
Since Peter Davison is my favorite Doctor, It's great seeing Caves of Androzani get ranked #1.
 
2013-11-20 02:36:18 PM  

thecpt: Glad to see midnight so high up. Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.

/still waiting for the last season to hit Netflix streaming


Three days.  :)
 
2013-11-20 02:36:28 PM  

thecpt: Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.


I started at the beginning of the new episodes and am only about halfway through season 2 right now, but I already think Girl in the Fireplace should be above Dalek.
 
2013-11-20 02:37:48 PM  
1) Caves of Androzani -
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Yep, it's "thrilling and fascinating, thanks to a complex plot, intense performances and beautifully staged action" alright.
 
2013-11-20 02:38:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: Hebalo: Empty Child/Doctor Dances should be higher up the list, and The Doctor's Wife was 50% excellent, 50% terrible, certainly not all time top 10.

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That.  The Doctor's Wife was damn awesome; to finally see the TARDIS made flesh and everything that went around it was a damn good piece of storytelling.
 
2013-11-20 02:39:09 PM  

Magorn: I think that, since it turns out he was basically the real-life inspiration for James Bond, any episode featuring John Pertwee as the Doctor gets retroactively awwrded 30 more cool points


This.
 
2013-11-20 02:39:51 PM  
In before "OMG all the Clara stories should be last place" whiners.
 
2013-11-20 02:41:00 PM  
I'm not very familiar with Doctor Who from the original run, but good call including Blink and Midnight in the top 5. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and The Girl in the Fireplace are also exceptional.
 
2013-11-20 02:41:28 PM  

Fireproof: thecpt: Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.

I started at the beginning of the new episodes and am only about halfway through season 2 right now, but I already think Girl in the Fireplace should be above Dalek.


I watched the series in the same manner, but dalek gets A LOT better with age (at least IMO). There really is not another episode similar to it in the new run.

I like girl in the fireplace better, but I can see how their position is justifiable
 
2013-11-20 02:44:13 PM  
Honestly, I think the top end of the list is pretty good, though you could certainly debate shuffling some of them around a bit.

The bottom end, on the other hand, is lunacy.  I mean, OK I'm cool with Timelash being the worst (it is), but how the F*CK does Twin Dilemma get ranked higher than Terminus, Planet of Fire, and  Colony in Space???  And many others, most of which aren't good at all, but...Christ on a Cracker, it's Twin Dilemma!
 
2013-11-20 02:44:48 PM  

Teresaol31: thecpt: Glad to see midnight so high up. Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.

/still waiting for the last season to hit Netflix streaming

Three days.  :)


Best news I've heard in awhile, right in time for a thanksgiving marathon!
 
2013-11-20 02:45:34 PM  

thecpt: I watched the series in the same manner, but dalek gets A LOT better with age (at least IMO). There really is not another episode similar to it in the new run.


In terms of making Daleks a formidable foe, Dalek is a great story.

In terms of the writing, particularly of Van Statten and most of the ancillary characters, it's sh*t.
 
2013-11-20 02:45:53 PM  

Millennium: In before "OMG all the Clara stories should be last place" whiners.


Asylum of the Daleks was great (IMO, Io9 disagrees) and Clara was/is a good companion and there were a few enjoyable episodes in her first season... but the overall story arc about her seemed poorly laid out, which was particularly noticeable as her origin was the core story arc of the entire season.
 
2013-11-20 02:46:01 PM  

Rwa2play: I_C_Weener: Hebalo: Empty Child/Doctor Dances should be higher up the list, and The Doctor's Wife was 50% excellent, 50% terrible, certainly not all time top 10.

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That.  The Doctor's Wife was damn awesome; to finally see the TARDIS made flesh and everything that went around it was a damn good piece of storytelling.


Oh the part with the TARDIS was amazing. Go back and rewatch the Amy/Rory portion of that episode. I'll wait.
 
2013-11-20 02:47:33 PM  
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2013-11-20 02:47:35 PM  

Hebalo: Oh the part with the TARDIS was amazing. Go back and rewatch the Amy/Rory portion of that episode. I'll wait.


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I had enough with the whole Clara-bashing of yesterday's thread.  Don't need to start with the Amy/Rory bashing for this thread.
 
2013-11-20 02:48:42 PM  
Really ridiculously weighted towards the new show and Tom Baker (and Sylvester McCoy - but I approve of that, so there), but the comments are chipper all the way through and worth reading.

Yeah, if you haven't seen The Caves of Androzani, you should get on that. It's a Robert Holmes script directed by Graeme Harper.Wonderful acting, and there's more than one classic cliffhanger.
 
2013-11-20 02:50:30 PM  

cheer: thecpt: I watched the series in the same manner, but dalek gets A LOT better with age (at least IMO). There really is not another episode similar to it in the new run.

In terms of making Daleks a formidable foe, Dalek is a great story.

In terms of the writing, particularly of Van Statten and most of the ancillary characters, it's sh*t.


My focus was almost entirely on eccleston (didn't recognize him in Thor 2, I am ashamed). His emotions and reactions set the stage perfectly for new fans who didn't understand how threatening the silly robot on wheels was.

Your point is probably valid though
 
2013-11-20 02:52:58 PM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: Oh the part with the TARDIS was amazing. Go back and rewatch the Amy/Rory portion of that episode. I'll wait.

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I had enough with the whole Clara-bashing of yesterday's thread.  Don't need to start with the Amy/Rory bashing for this thread.


Excuse the fark out me for having an opinion about the episode. I didn't make any comment about the Ponds in general. In THAT episode, their plot was weaksauce, and not worth watching, hence my comment, oh Lord of the Doctor Who Thread.
 
2013-11-20 02:54:30 PM  
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2013-11-20 02:57:36 PM  

Hebalo: Rwa2play: Hebalo: Oh the part with the TARDIS was amazing. Go back and rewatch the Amy/Rory portion of that episode. I'll wait.

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I had enough with the whole Clara-bashing of yesterday's thread.  Don't need to start with the Amy/Rory bashing for this thread.

Excuse the fark out me for having an opinion about the episode. I didn't make any comment about the Ponds in general.


But then....

In THAT episode, their plot was weaksauce, and not worth watching, hence my comment, oh Lord of the Doctor Who Thread.

You think I give a shiat about that?  The focus of the story was about the Doctor's relationship with the TARDIS, if the story concerned Amy and Rory, you'd have a point.

I think you could find flaws in just about every episode of Doctor Who (modern and classic); so long as they entertain me I don't care.
 
2013-11-20 02:59:04 PM  

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That story ("The Leisure Hive") had one of the better cliffhangers of the old series in the first part.
 
2013-11-20 03:01:19 PM  

cheer: thecpt: I watched the series in the same manner, but dalek gets A LOT better with age (at least IMO). There really is not another episode similar to it in the new run.

In terms of making Daleks a formidable foe, Dalek is a great story.

In terms of the writing, particularly of Van Statten and most of the ancillary characters, it's sh*t.


Well yeah, you aren't supposed to care about the ancillary characters in that one. Granted I thought Van Statten was written ok. He was supposed to be an arrogant greedy jackass that only thought he knew a lot but really didn't know shiat. Dalek remains one of my favorite episodes due to Eccleston's fantastic acting on that one.
 
2013-11-20 03:01:40 PM  

Rwa2play: Hebalo: Rwa2play: Hebalo: Oh the part with the TARDIS was amazing. Go back and rewatch the Amy/Rory portion of that episode. I'll wait.

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I had enough with the whole Clara-bashing of yesterday's thread.  Don't need to start with the Amy/Rory bashing for this thread.

Excuse the fark out me for having an opinion about the episode. I didn't make any comment about the Ponds in general.

But then....

In THAT episode, their plot was weaksauce, and not worth watching, hence my comment, oh Lord of the Doctor Who Thread.

You think I give a shiat about that?  The focus of the story was about the Doctor's relationship with the TARDIS, if the story concerned Amy and Rory, you'd have a point.

I think you could find flaws in just about every episode of Doctor Who (modern and classic); so long as they entertain me I don't care.


Again, you seem to have an issue with me having an opinion, not sure why.
 
2013-11-20 03:03:20 PM  

Hebalo: Again, you seem to have an issue with me having an opinion, not sure why.


Not really, then again the Clara-bashing of the other thread didn't help your stance any.
 
2013-11-20 03:03:44 PM  
Can somebody take the time to explain the draw of the show to a guy who has never seen it?
 
2013-11-20 03:04:33 PM  
I personally thought the Name of the Doctor and The a Wedding of River Song to be good bordering on classic. The author had big problems with "abstract" stories.

Personally I liked The doctors elegant solution to the fix point of time. And I found the explanation of Clara appearing multiple times to be great.

I think the only issue with Victory of the Daleks was the candy color IDaleks. Had they been a more deadly color, they would have been fantastic.
 
2013-11-20 03:06:41 PM  

thecpt: My focus was almost entirely on eccleston (didn't recognize him in Thor 2, I am ashamed). His emotions and reactions set the stage perfectly for new fans who didn't understand how threatening the silly robot on wheels was.


I totally agree.  It's a darned good episode, particularly for what you describe.

But Van Statten might as well be twirling a moustache.
 
2013-11-20 03:08:38 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Well yeah, you aren't supposed to care about the ancillary characters in that one. Granted I thought Van Statten was written ok. He was supposed to be an arrogant greedy jackass that only thought he knew a lot but really didn't know shiat. Dalek remains one of my favorite episodes due to Eccleston's fantastic acting on that one.


I know that's what he was supposed to be, but he was written in the most cartoony, cheesy way possible.  "I wanted to touch the stars!"  I mean, come on.
 
2013-11-20 03:08:43 PM  

Millennium: In before "OMG all the Clara stories should be last place" whiners.


If those people are whining about Clara, they should probably not watch Dr. Who in a few days.

It wouldn't be an impossible day without an impossible girl.  Me thinks Clara just might save all of the Doctors collective arses somehow.
 
2013-11-20 03:10:07 PM  
My first experience with Doctor Who was binge watching the first four seasons of new-who on dvd, and to me Dalek was the first "good" episode that made me think I was going to enjoy the show overall. Even though I had no knoweldge of the Daleks at the time the episode resonated with me, but now its only gotten better when you actually understand why the Doctor is so freaked out.
 
2013-11-20 03:11:40 PM  

duffblue: Can somebody take the time to explain the draw of the show to a guy who has never seen it?


As someone who's just gotten into it, I'd say that it's an incredibly well-written scifi show about adventures had while traveling through time and space. Lots of incredibly deep themes, memorable characters, and deep emotional moments.

Plus the whole "traveling through time and space" thing allows for lots of variety. It can easily be a story in pre-Revolutionary France one episode and a distopian future the next.
 
2013-11-20 03:17:57 PM  
Stolen Earth/Journey's End is ranked too low, and Victory of the Daleks is ranked too high.  Personally, I'd like to see Tooth and Claw and Vampires of Venice ranked higher, but I'm a sucker for monster stories.
 
2013-11-20 03:18:12 PM  

chascarrillo: Really ridiculously weighted towards the new show and Tom Baker (and Sylvester McCoy - but I approve of that, so there), but the comments are chipper all the way through and worth reading.


The McCoy run was one of extremes. Some of the stories were utter rubbish while others were utterly brilliant. Curse of Fenric shows a Doctor that could lead the time war
 
2013-11-20 03:18:47 PM  
Remembrance of the Daleks in the 80s slot of the list?  Top 15, easily.  I have a hard time believing that The Satan Pit arc is higher.
 
2013-11-20 03:21:05 PM  

duffblue: Can somebody take the time to explain the draw of the show to a guy who has never seen it?


The lead character is quirky and enigmatic.
And for a long time, it was the only thing even vaguely Sci-Fi on TV, other than the 6 Million Dollar Man.
 
2013-11-20 03:22:09 PM  
Oh, btw list FAILS for not providing Doctor #/season with the episode titles.  I started watching when I was 12 years old; I remember the plot, not the damned title of the episode.
 
2013-11-20 03:23:01 PM  

thecpt: Fireproof: thecpt: Of course girl in the fire place, blink, and the Van Gogh one are the ones I usually tell people to start with.

I started at the beginning of the new episodes and am only about halfway through season 2 right now, but I already think Girl in the Fireplace should be above Dalek.

I watched the series in the same manner, but dalek gets A LOT better with age (at least IMO). There really is not another episode similar to it in the new run.

I like girl in the fireplace better, but I can see how their position is justifiable


This scene trumps any other criticism of Dalek. Eccleston was the best actor to ever play the role of the Doctor (I suspect Capaldi will be a strong challenger for that title. Really looking forward to his interpretation).
 
2013-11-20 03:23:04 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Millennium: In before "OMG all the Clara stories should be last place" whiners.

If those people are whining about Clara, they should probably not watch Dr. Who in a few days.

It wouldn't be an impossible day without an impossible girl.  Me thinks Clara just might save all of the Doctors collective arses somehow.


I have a funny feeling that a) Clara is a Time Lady of some sort, perhaps even Romana herself (we never have seen Romana ever since she disappeared in the Time War now have we?) and b) the Time War's changed forever with the Time Lords somehow restored (but Rassilon killed).
 
2013-11-20 03:23:46 PM  

FrancoFile: Oh, btw list FAILS for not providing Doctor #/season with the episode titles.  I started watching when I was 12 years old; I remember the plot, not the damned title of the episode.


Really?  You do realize you can look them up on Wikipedia right?
 
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