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2013-11-20 11:46:57 AM
well, as he himself is also the recipient of taxpayer money as his primary income, perhaps he should no longer receive those funds.
 
2013-11-20 11:48:25 AM

FlashHarry: well, as he himself is also the recipient of taxpayer money as his primary income, perhaps he should no longer receive those funds.


This
 
2013-11-20 11:48:48 AM
I've been saying we should drug test members of Congress for years and years now.

They have jobs that directly affect the lives, safety, and welfare of everyone.
 
2013-11-20 11:51:08 AM

FlashHarry: well, as he himself is also the recipient of taxpayer money as his primary income, perhaps he should no longer receive those funds.


I like the cut of your gib
 
2013-11-20 12:05:28 PM
Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?
 
2013-11-20 12:10:12 PM
I love this bullshiat line:

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.
 
2013-11-20 12:11:18 PM

basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?


I thought at least one state that introduced drug-testing for welfare recipients introduced that idea as an amendment, to have it voted down.
 
2013-11-20 12:12:59 PM

Fark It: basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?

I thought at least one state that introduced drug-testing for welfare recipients introduced that idea as an amendment, to have it voted down.


He said, before he read the article.
 
2013-11-20 12:13:04 PM

FlashHarry: well, as he himself is also the recipient of taxpayer money as his primary income, perhaps he should no longer receive those funds.


THIS.

basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?


Also, THIS.

I don't understand how people how vote for these measures can't see the obvious hypocrisy from clowns like this guy.
 
2013-11-20 12:14:40 PM

mr_bunny: I love this bullshiat line:

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.


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2013-11-20 12:16:22 PM

basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?


The Daily Show is way ahead of you:

Rick Scott, Florida Governor, Asked To Pee In Cup By Daily Show Correspondent
 
2013-11-20 12:16:28 PM
The point of drug testing people on food stamps was primarily to shame them and remove what little human dignity they has left in the process.  That's why whenever I give money to a homeless person, I always do it by throwing a fist full of pennies at their face.

First, it is food stamps because you are telling them that they are not responsible enough to feed themselves and their family otherwise, plus you need to remind them that they are likely drug users and that is why they are unemployed.

The idea was never to catch/charge anyone because clearly that didn't happent.  The idea was to kick them while they were down and in that respect it was a complete success.
 
2013-11-20 12:18:07 PM
The important thing is that I am okay.
 
2013-11-20 12:20:26 PM

mr_bunny: I love this bullshiat line:

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.


It may be bullshiat, but not neccesarily.  Here's the entire post linked through your link:

I'm profoundly sorry to let down my family, particularly my wife and son, and the people of Southwest Florida. I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice. As the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, I need to get help so I can be a better man for both of them.

In facing this charge, I realize the disappointment my family, friends and constituents must feel. Believe me, I am disappointed in myself, and I stand ready to face the consequences of my actions.

However, this unfortunate event does have a positive side. It offers me an opportunity to seek treatment and counseling. I know I have a problem and will do whatever is necessary to overcome it, hopefully setting an example for others struggling with this disease.

Please keep my family in your prayers.


He actually seems to be taking responsibility.  It's not a non-apology apology that shifts blame elsewhere.  He acknowledges directly that he is an alcoholic and it's led to poor decisions, and that he wants to seek help.

It may very well be bullshiat, but it might also be an alcoholic hitting bottom.

Also, fark him for the drug test/welfare vote.
 
2013-11-20 12:21:20 PM
A Republican hypocrite? I find this hard to believe.
 
2013-11-20 12:25:31 PM
well, duh
 
2013-11-20 12:25:37 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: mr_bunny: I love this bullshiat line:

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.

It may be bullshiat, but not neccesarily.  Here's the entire post linked through your link:

I'm profoundly sorry to let down my family, particularly my wife and son, and the people of Southwest Florida. I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice. As the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, I need to get help so I can be a better man for both of them.

In facing this charge, I realize the disappointment my family, friends and constituents must feel. Believe me, I am disappointed in myself, and I stand ready to face the consequences of my actions.

However, this unfortunate event does have a positive side. It offers me an opportunity to seek treatment and counseling. I know I have a problem and will do whatever is necessary to overcome it, hopefully setting an example for others struggling with this disease.

Please keep my family in your prayers.

He actually seems to be taking responsibility.  It's not a non-apology apology that shifts blame elsewhere.  He acknowledges directly that he is an alcoholic and it's led to poor decisions, and that he wants to seek help.

It may very well be bullshiat, but it might also be an alcoholic hitting bottom.

Also, fark him for the drug test/welfare vote.


That's all fine and good, but he wasn't arrested for being drunk.

He didn't even go to jail. or get cuffed. Nothing. The Feds set up a sting, busted him buying and then....he apologizes?!?

Is that how it would go down for you or me? "Whoops. Sorry, I am having some personal struggles Mr. DEA"

"Hey, don't worry about it, man. These things happen. You let us know how you are doing, okay?"

What a load of crap. The War on Drugs is the biggest farking sham in a long time.
 
2013-11-20 12:26:04 PM

mrshowrules: The point of drug testing people on food stamps was primarily to shame them and remove what little human dignity they has left in the process.  That's why whenever I give money to a homeless person, I always do it by throwing a fist full of pennies at their face.

First, it is food stamps because you are telling them that they are not responsible enough to feed themselves and their family otherwise, plus you need to remind them that they are likely drug users and that is why they are unemployed.

The idea was never to catch/charge anyone because clearly that didn't happent.  The idea was to kick them while they were down and in that respect it was a complete success.


As someone who has been drug-tested as a prerequisite for employment and acceptance to a healthcare program, I never felt like my dignity was removed, nor did I feel like I was being reminded that I am a "likely drug user."  If people have to get drug tested before they can get a job, then it's only fair that people without jobs collecting benefits get drug-tested.

The problem is that this "small government" solution costs more to implement than the actual benefit that the public receives.  I think that most people are outraged at this, but for the wrong reasons.
 
2013-11-20 12:26:09 PM
How shocking....
 
2013-11-20 12:28:18 PM

mr_bunny: Three Crooked Squirrels: mr_bunny: I love this bullshiat line:

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.

It may be bullshiat, but not neccesarily.  Here's the entire post linked through your link:

I'm profoundly sorry to let down my family, particularly my wife and son, and the people of Southwest Florida. I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice. As the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, I need to get help so I can be a better man for both of them.

In facing this charge, I realize the disappointment my family, friends and constituents must feel. Believe me, I am disappointed in myself, and I stand ready to face the consequences of my actions.

However, this unfortunate event does have a positive side. It offers me an opportunity to seek treatment and counseling. I know I have a problem and will do whatever is necessary to overcome it, hopefully setting an example for others struggling with this disease.

Please keep my family in your prayers.

He actually seems to be taking responsibility.  It's not a non-apology apology that shifts blame elsewhere.  He acknowledges directly that he is an alcoholic and it's led to poor decisions, and that he wants to seek help.

It may very well be bullshiat, but it might also be an alcoholic hitting bottom.

Also, fark him for the drug test/welfare vote.

That's all fine and good, but he wasn't arrested for being drunk.

He didn't even go to jail. or get cuffed. Nothing. The Feds set up a sting, busted him buying and then....he apologizes?!?

Is that how it would go down for you or me? "Whoops. Sorry, I am having some personal struggles Mr. DEA"

"Hey, don't worry about it, man. These things happen. You let us know how you are doing, okay?"

What a load of crap. The War on Drugs is the biggest farking sham in a long tim ...


That's what gets me. Put a random person with no political affiliation in that situation and they would've been locked up for years.

But a congressman? Obviously he's just a poor sick man who needs rehab.
 
2013-11-20 12:29:18 PM

nmrsnr: basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?

The Daily Show is way ahead of you:

Rick Scott, Florida Governor, Asked To Pee In Cup By Daily Show Correspondent


Oh, I know all about that, I'm just bringing it back to light due to current events........which is what politicians like to capitalize on.
 
2013-11-20 12:32:02 PM
The welfare drug testing was never about "preventing abuse" and these people know it.  It was always a plan to hurt poor people.

If you aren't the "in group", then to republicans you are a bad person.  I wouldn't be surprised if republicans thought, for example, that welfare recipients were less likely to be Christian than average(I doubt there's actual polling data on this).
 
2013-11-20 12:32:54 PM

nmrsnr: basemetal: Well, after this revelation of drug abuse among elected officials, it shouldn't be long before state legislators introduce legislation to drug test elected officials.......right?

The Daily Show is way ahead of you:

Rick Scott, Florida Governor, Asked To Pee In Cup By Daily Show Correspondent


That was sheer, unadulterated awesomeness.

I support drug testing elected officials.
 
2013-11-20 12:34:15 PM
Whatever they are most against.. is exactly what they are doing. Keep that in mind when you see a Republican ranting about something.
 
2013-11-20 12:35:47 PM

ikanreed: The welfare drug testing was never about "preventing abuse" and these people know it. It was always a plan to hurt poor people.


Actually, in my opinion, it was just for getting another pig access to the government trough.  And wasn't that pig (testing company) owned by governor himself, or was it a country club buddy?
 
2013-11-20 12:36:20 PM

mr_bunny: That's all fine and good, but he wasn't arrested for being drunk.

He didn't even go to jail. or get cuffed. Nothing. The Feds set up a sting, busted him buying and then....he apologizes?!?

Is that how it would go down for you or me? "Whoops. Sorry, I am having some personal struggles Mr. DEA"

"Hey, don't worry about it, man. These things happen. You let us know how you are doing, okay?"

What a load of crap. The War on Drugs is the biggest farking sham in a long time.


My comment was simply regarding his apology, which you said was bullshiat.  It may be, I don't know, but I think it was refreshing that it was a straight forward apology without blame-shifting.  He did get a year's probation.  I don't know if that is an anomaly for a first time offender in DC or not.  My comment had nothing to do with his punishment or the War on Drugs or preferential treatment in the system.  I'm simply commenting on the fact that his apology to me reads "I truly farked up, I know I am an alcoholic and I do really stupid things when I drink too much, and I'm ready to make a change."

Again, it may be bullshiat, but not on its face.
 
2013-11-20 12:37:22 PM
jesus how farking hard is it to sanitize all the source=facebook crap from a farking submitted article URL
 
2013-11-20 12:37:25 PM

ikanreed: The welfare drug testing was never about "preventing abuse" and these people know it.  It was always a plan to hurt poor people.

If you aren't the "in group", then to republicans you are a bad person.  I wouldn't be surprised if republicans thought, for example, that welfare recipients were less likely to be Christian than average(I doubt there's actual polling data on this).


An nice op-ed touched on the amount of welfare compared to other govt programs such as mortgage interest deductions and medicare where the total of food stamps is just a drop in the bucket compared to those 2 programs. Really does reinforce the idea that it was never about the money.
 
2013-11-20 12:38:43 PM

Fark It: If people have to get drug tested before they can get a job, then it's only fair that people without jobs collecting benefits get drug-tested.


This is bullshiat. Why is it acceptable in either case? Also, why should it matter if someone who smokes pot files for food stamps? What farking business is it of yours, the almighty taxpayer, whether the poor bastard partakes in the ganj as maybe the only thing to get relief from the despair of poverty?

The problem is that this "small government" solution costs more to implement than the actual benefit that the public receives.  I think that most people are outraged at this, but for the wrong reasons.

True, it isn't a cost saving thing. It is designed to humiliate those least able to do anything about it. It is simply bullying.
 
2013-11-20 12:39:04 PM

mr_bunny: "I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.


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"i can't believe he used my line!"
 
2013-11-20 12:41:36 PM

Fark It: mrshowrules: The point of drug testing people on food stamps was primarily to shame them and remove what little human dignity they has left in the process.  That's why whenever I give money to a homeless person, I always do it by throwing a fist full of pennies at their face.

First, it is food stamps because you are telling them that they are not responsible enough to feed themselves and their family otherwise, plus you need to remind them that they are likely drug users and that is why they are unemployed.

The idea was never to catch/charge anyone because clearly that didn't happent.  The idea was to kick them while they were down and in that respect it was a complete success.

As someone who has been drug-tested as a prerequisite for employment and acceptance to a healthcare program, I never felt like my dignity was removed, nor did I feel like I was being reminded that I am a "likely drug user."  If people have to get drug tested before they can get a job, then it's only fair that people without jobs collecting benefits get drug-tested.

The problem is that this "small government" solution costs more to implement than the actual benefit that the public receives.  I think that most people are outraged at this, but for the wrong reasons.


That's the nice thing about freedom - if you want to debase yourself in the hope of being employed by a gang of piss-sniffing fascists, you're free to do so. The government, however, is not nor should it be empowered to treat human beings with the same level of disdain and contempt with which private employers may.
 
2013-11-20 12:41:43 PM
i wonder what the mandatory minimum sentence is for being in possession of 3.5 grams of crack in DC
 
2013-11-20 12:44:16 PM
When they reported this story on my local news this morning, there was no mention of the congressman's party.  He must be a Dem.
 
2013-11-20 12:44:36 PM

dr_blasto: This is bullshiat. Why is it acceptable in either case? Also, why should it matter if someone who smokes pot files for food stamps? What farking business is it of yours, the almighty taxpayer, whether the poor bastard partakes in the ganj as maybe the only thing to get relief from the despair of poverty?


First off, your employer has a right to know whether or not you take illicit drugs (and I think the drug war is BS).  They pay for your health insurance (usually), and someone who is likely to come to work high and get arrested is not a good investment.  And if you're "poor" and you have money to buy drugs, you don't need food stamps to do that.  If you want to smoke weed I think you should be allowed to.  Without public subsidies.

If you want "relief from the despair of poverty" you can start by not spending your money on marijuana.
 
2013-11-20 12:45:34 PM
Oh, come on, this guy works for his government check unlike all those deadbeats out there.

/That's a joke.
 
2013-11-20 12:45:51 PM
It's interesting to see him ask for the forgiveness and understanding he refuses to give others.
 
2013-11-20 12:46:05 PM

BMulligan: That's the nice thing about freedom - if you want to debase yourself in the hope of being employed by a gang of piss-sniffing fascists, you're free to do so. The government, however, is not nor should it be empowered to treat human beings with the same level of disdain and contempt with which private employers may.


Would you go to a hospital where no one was drug tested?  Would you get on a bus with a bus driver who was never drug tested?  What about airline pilots?  Cops?
 
2013-11-20 12:47:22 PM

mr_bunny: He didn't even go to jail. or get cuffed. Nothing. The Feds set up a sting, busted him buying and then....he apologizes?!?

Is that how it would go down for you or me? "Whoops. Sorry, I am having some personal struggles Mr. DEA"


For a first time offender buying for personal use? Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes in many, if not most, states. Except no one makes you apologize.

The going rate when I was in college seemed to be a year's probation, a fine in the low four-figures, and you're on your way. Finish probation and they even wipe it off your record.
 
2013-11-20 12:47:49 PM

Muta: When they reported this story on my local news this morning, there was no mention of the congressman's party.  He must be a Dem.


Republican, actually. A Teabagger who calls himself the "hiphop conservative." He likes to talk about Biggie, Tupac, and tyranny.
 
2013-11-20 12:47:58 PM

Fark It: mrshowrules: The point of drug testing people on food stamps was primarily to shame them and remove what little human dignity they has left in the process.  That's why whenever I give money to a homeless person, I always do it by throwing a fist full of pennies at their face.

First, it is food stamps because you are telling them that they are not responsible enough to feed themselves and their family otherwise, plus you need to remind them that they are likely drug users and that is why they are unemployed.

The idea was never to catch/charge anyone because clearly that didn't happent.  The idea was to kick them while they were down and in that respect it was a complete success.

As someone who has been drug-tested as a prerequisite for employment and acceptance to a healthcare program, I never felt like my dignity was removed, nor did I feel like I was being reminded that I am a "likely drug user."  If people have to get drug tested before they can get a job, then it's only fair that people without jobs collecting benefits get drug-tested.

The problem is that this "small government" solution costs more to implement than the actual benefit that the public receives.  I think that most people are outraged at this, but for the wrong reasons.


Drug testing for a high security job should not be compared to drug testing to feed yourself and your family which is technically an entitlement, not charity.

Getting a job is a positive experience.  They are hiring you because they want you.  When you are at the end of your rope, being drug tested because society has deemed that you are probably nothing more than a drug using leach is something else.  It isn't helping the less fortunate.  It is helping the losers responsible for where they are in life.

I would be against this practice even if it save a fortune.
 
2013-11-20 12:48:22 PM
I'm sure he wasn't trying to be hypocritical, he was probably trying to be profitable, I bet he has a relative or friend that runs a drug testing company.
 
2013-11-20 12:49:12 PM

Fark It: BMulligan: That's the nice thing about freedom - if you want to debase yourself in the hope of being employed by a gang of piss-sniffing fascists, you're free to do so. The government, however, is not nor should it be empowered to treat human beings with the same level of disdain and contempt with which private employers may.

Would you go to a hospital where no one was drug tested?  Would you get on a bus with a bus driver who was never drug tested?  What about airline pilots?  Cops?


If you think they're frequently drug testing at hospitals, you've never met a nurse.
 
2013-11-20 12:50:21 PM

Diogenes: I've been saying we should drug test members of Congress for years and years now.

They have jobs that directly affect the lives, safety, and welfare of everyone.


...and if they pass the drug test, they should immediately be given a bag of X so that maybe they won't be such goddamn assholes anymore?
 
2013-11-20 12:53:29 PM

flynn80: I'm sure he wasn't trying to be hypocritical, he was probably trying to be profitable, I bet he has a relative or friend that runs a drug testing company.


Now you are thinking Republican...
 
2013-11-20 12:53:37 PM

Fark It: BMulligan: That's the nice thing about freedom - if you want to debase yourself in the hope of being employed by a gang of piss-sniffing fascists, you're free to do so. The government, however, is not nor should it be empowered to treat human beings with the same level of disdain and contempt with which private employers may.

Would you go to a hospital where no one was drug tested?  Would you get on a bus with a bus driver who was never drug tested?  What about airline pilots?  Cops?


So, when you go in for treatment you ask the hospitals to see the doctor's latest drug test results? How about an airplane? Where do they post the pilots THC levels so that I can determine if I want to stay on or get off?
 
2013-11-20 12:53:41 PM

Fark It: BMulligan: That's the nice thing about freedom - if you want to debase yourself in the hope of being employed by a gang of piss-sniffing fascists, you're free to do so. The government, however, is not nor should it be empowered to treat human beings with the same level of disdain and contempt with which private employers may.

Would you go to a hospital where no one was drug tested?  Would you get on a bus with a bus driver who was never drug tested?  What about airline pilots?  Cops?


First of all, the world isn't black and white, and there is a nontrivial argument that there may be a very few exceptional jobs at which drug testing may be appropriate. And second, I have been to a hospital where no one was drug tested, I have been on a bus driven by an untested driver. I'm quite old enough to remember a time when drug testing wasn't required for any of those jobs, and trust me - there were plenty of people smoking pot and snorting coke at the time.
 
2013-11-20 12:54:52 PM
Any other job in the world would fire someone for this.....
 
2013-11-20 12:55:32 PM
I was sure we'd see the Limbaugh Defense:

"When YOU get busted you're a degenerate drug fiend who'd throw a blind orphan into a tree chipper for a fix and you should be sealed up in the basement of the jail never to see the light for a billion forevers. When I get busted I'm an honest man who made a few mistakes, but I know God has forgiven me, so you should too, unless you want to be against God. Do you? Do you want to be against God?"
 
2013-11-20 12:57:33 PM

BMulligan: piss-sniffing fascists


That's the name of my new punk band.
 
2013-11-20 12:58:19 PM

Jackson Herring: i wonder what the mandatory minimum sentence is for being in possession of 3.5 grams of crack in DC


I thought I read last night that he voted in favor of legislation which would have harmonized the penalties for different forms of cocaine and/or provided for treatment alternatives to incarceration (I only skimmed the lede). If that's so, I would say that although the congressman is a loon, a criminal, and perhaps even a bit of a hypocrite, he at least got that one right.
 
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