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(Optimal Human Modulation)   Top five reasons SyFy's "Helix" will be the best new show in 2014. Hint: 7 of 9 is 1 of the 5   (optimalhumanmodulation.com) divider line 71
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2013-11-20 12:15:17 PM  
Ronald Moore? No thank you.

Steven Maeda from Lost? No thank you.

More folks from Lost? No thank you.

Have fun with it, if you like it, but name dropping folks who were responsible for two of the shows who helped cement the retcon craze for plotting, I can do without. I hope the craze is done, but considering how The Walking Dead is doing, it's not quite done yet, and I don't think I'll be supporting more bad writing.
 
2013-11-20 12:30:09 PM  
And don't forget if it's really fantastic to a small group of people, it will be canceled just as it hits the mainstream, and replaced by another ghost hunter reality show.

Thereby breaking our hearts.

Again.


/Yeah, I'm still probably going to watch the first episode
 
2013-11-20 12:30:30 PM  
Call it "Shelix" and I'm there.
 
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2013-11-20 01:02:46 PM  
Not sure I care for anything that comes from the people who shat Lost on the world...
 
2013-11-20 01:16:34 PM  
Hint: 7 of 9 is one two of the 5

FTFY, subby.
 
2013-11-20 01:16:43 PM  
You mean they're going to bring in the gratuitous fan service in order to save ratings right off the bat? Well count me in pardner!
 
2013-11-20 01:21:29 PM  
I'll give it a watch, I guess.
 
2013-11-20 01:29:06 PM  
7 of 9?  Then shouldn't it be called Neelix?
 
2013-11-20 02:00:23 PM  

hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

Steven Maeda from Lost? No thank you.

More folks from Lost? No thank you.

Have fun with it, if you like it, but name dropping folks who were responsible for two of the shows who helped cement the retcon craze for plotting, I can do without. I hope the craze is done, but considering how The Walking Dead is doing, it's not quite done yet, and I don't think I'll be supporting more bad writing.


There won't be any time travel, they promise.
 
2013-11-20 02:00:30 PM  
Hmmmm...on one hand, Lost sucked. On the other hand, BSG reimagined was (mostly) awesome.

I'll give it a "maybe."
 
2013-11-20 02:01:38 PM  
So, Body of Proof is definitely not coming back?
 
2013-11-20 02:02:16 PM  
So, "Voyager" (two groups of people, one with secrets) crossed with "The Thing" (Arctic lab with alien DNA) and "Tits"?

Should work.
 
2013-11-20 02:03:11 PM  
"SyFy" and "best new show in 2014".  In the same sentence.  And it's not meant to be a joke or sarcastic or something?  You're serious?  Our ant overlords have taken over and I just haven't noticed yet, right?
 
2013-11-20 02:03:57 PM  
I will watch it.  Not because of anything mentioned though.  I will watch it because it is scifi on TV and that is about the only reason I need.... I will watch it until I either ragequite it because it in insultingly stoopid or I love it and then the  next day it will be canceled.
 
2013-11-20 02:05:18 PM  

IlGreven: So, Body of Proof is definitely not coming back?


Yep it was announced last week
That show could have been much better about 20 years ago when both Jeri Ryan and Dana Delaney were in their prime
 
2013-11-20 02:06:06 PM  
Looks like crap.

I think Syfy crap shows, movies, have conditioned SyFy fans that anything that is remotely not related to sharks, tornados, or ghost hunting is going to be quality SciFi.

Cartoon Network is doing the same thing, good luck finding a cartoon on Adult Swim.
I have enjoyed the premier of Almost Human.
 
2013-11-20 02:07:43 PM  

Valiente: So, "Voyager" (two groups of people, one with secrets) crossed with "The Thing" (Arctic lab with alien DNA) and "Tits"?

Should work.


I'm only familiar with those first two, but that last one sounds quite intriguing.
 
2013-11-20 02:14:07 PM  

hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.


He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.
 
2013-11-20 02:16:52 PM  
Well, Jeri Ryan was in Voyager and Dark Skies too, and she was the only thing good about either....
 
2013-11-20 02:20:32 PM  

SpdrJay: Well, Jeri Ryan was in Voyager and Dark Skies too, and she was the only thing good about either....


I liked the Doctor and...well Jeri Ryan was great and not just because of her rack.
 
2013-11-20 02:27:39 PM  

Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.


I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...
 
2013-11-20 02:28:31 PM  

Alexei Novikov: Hmmmm...on one hand, Lost sucked. On the other hand, BSG reimagined was (mostly) awesome.

I'll give it a "maybe."


Both started amazingly well, both cratered towards the end.
 
2013-11-20 02:30:38 PM  

hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...


I never had you pegged as a Sprinkle Genie.
 
2013-11-20 02:38:19 PM  
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2013-11-20 02:40:41 PM  

theflatline: hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...

I never had you pegged as a Sprinkle Genie.


Hey, China Chow in The Big Hit was a brilliant move. BRILLIANT!
 
2013-11-20 02:42:52 PM  

CarnySaur: Valiente: So, "Voyager" (two groups of people, one with secrets) crossed with "The Thing" (Arctic lab with alien DNA) and "Tits"?

Should work.

I'm only familiar with those first two, but that last one sounds quite intriguing.


You're not familiar with tits?

Welcome to planet Earf, and you're in for a treat. Tits are awesome.
 
2013-11-20 02:46:05 PM  

hubiestubert: theflatline: hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...

I never had you pegged as a Sprinkle Genie.

Hey, China Chow in The Big Hit was a brilliant move. BRILLIANT!


I had forgotten that movie.
 
2013-11-20 02:51:07 PM  
It's hard to convince people that 7 of 9 was a well written and acted character, in addition to the great rack. I'm not going to pretend that her boobs weren't spectacular (and real, unlike T'Pol's) but that aside, she was also an interesting character.
 
2013-11-20 03:13:59 PM  
FTFA: "Is it a paradigm we've encountered before? Yes. But never with the advanced levels of special effects and computer generated imagery that we have available today for a television series. "

You say that like it's a good thing.
 
2013-11-20 03:14:07 PM  
The 7 of 9 suit had 'enhancements' to make her more sexy.     She's not that sexy without it.
 
2013-11-20 03:19:32 PM  
"Mr. Sanada will be playing Dr. Hiroshi Hataki, the head of the Arctic Biosystems research facility.
Although he's had roles in some pretty big titles in the past, including Lost on TV and The Wolverine in theaters, he starred in what I consider one of the finest sci-fi films ever made: Sunshine (2007)."

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2013-11-20 03:20:43 PM  

theflatline: Cartoon Network is doing the same thing, good luck finding a cartoon on Adult Swim.


Adult Swim ≠ Cartoon Network
 
2013-11-20 03:25:55 PM  

Burr: theflatline: Cartoon Network is doing the same thing, good luck finding a cartoon on Adult Swim.

Adult Swim ≠ Cartoon Network


And just by a glance, it seems that Cartoon Network itself does not have a single live action show (it has some live action feature movies, but no regular shows), which is a nice change of pace from a few years ago where every other primetime show was live action.

Now, Adult Swim, which "buys time" on Cartoon Network (or whatever deal they have worked out), has been live action crap for its "original" shows the past few years.
 
2013-11-20 03:26:11 PM  

Mugato: SpdrJay: Well, Jeri Ryan was in Voyager and Dark Skies too, and she was the only thing good about either....

I liked the Doctor and...well Jeri Ryan was great and not just because of her rack.


True. She's got a backside you can bounce nickels off of and a generous mouth.
 
2013-11-20 03:43:06 PM  

Mugato: It's hard to convince people that 7 of 9 was a well written and acted character, in addition to the great rack. I'm not going to pretend that her boobs weren't spectacular (and real, unlike T'Pol's) but that aside, she was also an interesting character.


When arguing that point I always refer them to the episode where the EMH stored himself in 7 of Tits memory for whatever reason. I can't remember if it's because it's people hated AI's and holograms or if his travel holographic emitter was breaking. Either way part of the plot is the EMH is occasionally taking over 7's body and mind. I thought Jeri did very well mimicking the doctor's speech patterns and body language. The obligatory body swap episode of any sci-fi show is where you discover which actors can actually act and which ones are basically just playing themselves.
 
2013-11-20 03:45:04 PM  

Rhypskallion: The 7 of 9 suit had 'enhancements' to make her more sexy.     She's not that sexy without it.


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Nope... not that sexy without it... ENTIRELY the costume...
 
2013-11-20 03:55:38 PM  
So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.
 
2013-11-20 03:57:34 PM  

hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...


Ron Moore got full of himself.  The last season of BSG was an incomprehensible mess.  My wife loved the show, we watched the first three episodes of the last season, she actually said "What the fark happened?" and quit the show.
 
2013-11-20 04:04:41 PM  

MilesTeg: So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.


I don't know what that even means and I hate it when threads turn political but if you think that a McCain (really a Palin presidency because McCain would most likely die of a heart attack in his first month) would have been preferable, there's no talking to you anyway.
 
2013-11-20 04:14:10 PM  

Mugato: MilesTeg: So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.

I don't know what that even means and I hate it when threads turn political but if you think that a McCain (really a Palin presidency because McCain would most likely die of a heart attack in his first month) would have been preferable, there's no talking to you anyway.



Her ex-husband, Jack Ryan, was running against Obama in the 2004 Senate election. The dirt came out from their divorce that led to him withdrawing from the race and was replaced by Alan Keyes who got trounced by Obama. This led to Obama gaining notice on the national level when he was the keynote speaker at the DNC in July. If it wasn't for their divorce records getting unsealed there was a resonable chance Obama would not have been elected to the Senate.
 
2013-11-20 04:15:17 PM  

hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.


I don't know, I consider the first half of BSG to be one show and the second half, another. I guess he's about even to me all things considered (that is it might be worth checking out but not must see tv until I hear reviews about it).
 
2013-11-20 04:16:10 PM  

Kiler: If it wasn't for their divorce records getting unsealed there was a resonable chance Obama would not have been elected to the Senate.


Well I guess some things have a way of falling into place.
 
2013-11-20 04:19:18 PM  

Kiler: Mugato: MilesTeg: So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.

I don't know what that even means and I hate it when threads turn political but if you think that a McCain (really a Palin presidency because McCain would most likely die of a heart attack in his first month) would have been preferable, there's no talking to you anyway.


Her ex-husband, Jack Ryan, was running against Obama in the 2004 Senate election. The dirt came out from their divorce that led to him withdrawing from the race and was replaced by Alan Keyes who got trounced by Obama. This led to Obama gaining notice on the national level when he was the keynote speaker at the DNC in July. If it wasn't for their divorce records getting unsealed there was a resonable chance Obama would not have been elected to the Senate.


While all of that is true, Obama was leading Ryan in the polls.
 
2013-11-20 04:22:24 PM  

Mugato: MilesTeg: So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.

I don't know what that even means and I hate it when threads turn political but if you think that a McCain (really a Palin presidency because McCain would most likely die of a heart attack in his first month) would have been preferable, there's no talking to you anyway.


He believes it because of Jack Ryan, her ex husband. He is incorrect though since Jack Ryan was already behind in the polls even before the divorce details came out. Won't bother re posting all the details, but check the Wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)#2004_U.S._Senate _r ace
 
2013-11-20 04:29:28 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Kiler: Mugato: MilesTeg: So hot, too bad she is indirectly responsible for the Obama presidency.

I don't know what that even means and I hate it when threads turn political but if you think that a McCain (really a Palin presidency because McCain would most likely die of a heart attack in his first month) would have been preferable, there's no talking to you anyway.


Her ex-husband, Jack Ryan, was running against Obama in the 2004 Senate election. The dirt came out from their divorce that led to him withdrawing from the race and was replaced by Alan Keyes who got trounced by Obama. This led to Obama gaining notice on the national level when he was the keynote speaker at the DNC in July. If it wasn't for their divorce records getting unsealed there was a resonable chance Obama would not have been elected to the Senate.

While all of that is true, Obama was leading Ryan in the polls.



Those polls where skewed ;)
 
2013-11-20 04:44:04 PM  
That's all interesting, I suppose, but can we get away from talking about an unfortunate episode in her life that she doesn't talk about (she's even ended interviews where they persist in asking about it), and back in the discussion where we hope Jeri Ryan and some other random hot female cast members have a shower scene in the premiere episode?

I mean, priorities, people...

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2013-11-20 04:48:57 PM  

Shazam999: hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...

Ron Moore got full of himself.  The last season of BSG was an incomprehensible mess.  My wife loved the show, we watched the first three episodes of the last season, she actually said "What the fark happened?" and quit the show.


The reason the last season of BSG was mostly total crap was that they had completely abandoned the story and were making it up on the fly in the weekly meetings.   They even flipped coins to see if someone would be one of the final five.  (Source: the dvd commentaries)
 
2013-11-20 04:57:47 PM  

Memoryalpha: Shazam999: hubiestubert: Mugato: hubiestubert: Ronald Moore? No thank you.

He was behind TNG and DS9 and even though I neevr saw it, people liked Battlestar Galactica.

Is Robert Orci involved? If not, I'll give it a shot.

I wanted to like BSG. I really wanted to. And the plot by retcon and message board mining just killed it for me. Lost wasn't the worst offender, but it helped cement the trend, and BSG turned it the retcon plot matrix into an art form. It goes back further, back the X-Files, plotting to actively confound the fan theories, and the creation of "mystery" by throwing out breadcrumbs, to see which ones folks picked at, and then flouting those to create a faux mystery. And that can work in the short term, as a means to generate interest, but it's not supposed to be the foundation of your plotting over all, and that is exactly what Lost and BSG and Heroes did. They replaced solid writing, with a constant shifting of plot lines just to keep the mystery alive. There is no reward in paying attention to a show plotted like this, because all the details are unimportant, since the rules changed constantly. It's just an exercise in pissing on your fans, and telling them it's raining, and that they should open up their mouths and enjoy the golden spray...

Ron Moore got full of himself.  The last season of BSG was an incomprehensible mess.  My wife loved the show, we watched the first three episodes of the last season, she actually said "What the fark happened?" and quit the show.

The reason the last season of BSG was mostly total crap was that they had completely abandoned the story and were making it up on the fly in the weekly meetings.   They even flipped coins to see if someone would be one of the final five.  (Source: the dvd commentaries)


Yeah, I some article after the series ended where Moore admitted they just started making it all up.  Didn't seem very apologetic though.
 
2013-11-20 05:06:03 PM  

LonMead: Rhypskallion: The 7 of 9 suit had 'enhancements' to make her more sexy.     She's not that sexy without it.

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Nope... not that sexy without it... ENTIRELY the costume...


EXACTLY--you prove my point.   She's just hot.  As opposed to spectacularly hot.
 
2013-11-20 05:19:43 PM  

Mugato: It's hard to convince people that 7 of 9 was a well written and acted character, in addition to the great rack. I'm not going to pretend that her boobs weren't spectacular (and real, unlike T'Pol's) but that aside, she was also an interesting character.


She was Data with boobs.  Granted those boobs were awesome and the ass was equally mesmerizing, but the whole character arc had been done before.
 
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