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(Politico)   U.S. army directs its media corp to use only images of ugly female soldiers in published materials, presumably to avoid a sure-defeat in an arms race with the Israelis   (politico.com) divider line 106
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 12:02:41 PM  
This is why you have strategy discussions by voice, not text.
 
2013-11-20 12:03:23 PM  
Most women (and to be fair, most dudes) look like crap in the field, or downrange in a combat zone.  Even hot female troops.

If she's made-up, it's going to look like it's either staged, or like she's an idiot putting on make-up just to roll out on a convoy.

IIRC, the "Female Engaement Teams" of U.S. female soldiers and Marines, who work with local Afghan women, are also discouraged from wearing make-up when they're out on FET missions, as the Afghan women perceive it as something only whores do.

I remember when the Air Force had its first female Thunderbird pilot (the USAF's version of the Blue Angels).  She had so much make-up caked on her face for her publicity photos, I was wondering if she'd even be able to get a tight seal with her oxygen mask.
 
2013-11-20 12:48:03 PM  

Sgt Otter: I remember when the Air Force had its first female Thunderbird pilot (the USAF's version of the Blue Angels).  She had so much make-up caked on her face for her publicity photos, I was wondering if she'd even be able to get a tight seal with her oxygen mask.


Chair Force joke in 3...2...
 
2013-11-20 12:52:52 PM  
Maybe this will also reduce the amount of sexual assaults female soldiers endure.

Oh who am I kidding.
 
2013-11-20 12:52:58 PM  
Outside of beauty products, I thought only using the plain and ugly in ALL advertising was the norm.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 12:53:32 PM  
WHERE ARE THE ISRAELI FEMALE SOLDIERS??

what the fark is wrong with fark?
 
2013-11-20 12:53:51 PM  
I guess it's too early for the pics of the hot Israeli female soldiers.

/I'll check back later......
 
2013-11-20 12:54:08 PM  

ZAZ: This is why you have strategy discussions by voice, not text.


This. The idea is good, it just sounds bad when it's broadcast out of context (context being among people who distribute photos for the Army).
 
2013-11-20 12:55:32 PM  
The point is that the army isn't a fashion shoot, and they don't pick physically attractive male soldiers for informational materials, why would they do it for females?(other than a double standard).  If female soldiers happen to be more attractive than average, it shouldn't be a problem, but it definitely shouldn't be a goal.
 
2013-11-20 12:56:50 PM  
I like the girl next door look, myself.  USAF

www.truthorfiction.com
 
2013-11-20 12:57:51 PM  

Sgt Otter: Most women (and to be fair, most dudes) look like crap in the field, or downrange in a combat zone.  Even hot female troops.

If she's made-up, it's going to look like it's either staged...



What do you mean?

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-20 12:59:04 PM  

d23: WHERE ARE THE ISRAELI FEMALE SOLDIERS??

what the fark is wrong with fark?


Here: Mildly NSFW
 
2013-11-20 01:00:21 PM  

ikanreed: The point is that the army isn't a fashion shoot, and they don't pick physically attractive male soldiers for informational materials, why would they do it for females?(other than a double standard).  If female soldiers happen to be more attractive than average, it shouldn't be a problem, but it definitely shouldn't be a goal.


I'm not sure I'd go there.  The Navy has a long history of picking physically attractive men for their ceremonial units.  It has nothing to do with fitness, all appearance.  RRMV in the Army.
 
2013-11-20 01:02:39 PM  
Advantage IDF

www.evilmilk.com
 
2013-11-20 01:03:36 PM  

KidneyStone: I like the girl next door look, myself.  USAF

[www.truthorfiction.com image 850x499]


static.fjcdn.com
 
2013-11-20 01:06:12 PM  
Subby thinks average-looking = ugly?
 
2013-11-20 01:06:55 PM  

Sgt Otter: the Afghan women perceive it as something only whores do


You know what a true whore is?
It's a woman that lets a man tell her what to do because god told him he was allowed to.

Fark them. they can stand up for them selves or GTFO.
 
2013-11-20 01:07:15 PM  

Sgt Otter: Most women (and to be fair, most dudes) look like crap in the field, or downrange in a combat zone.  Even hot female troops.

If she's made-up, it's going to look like it's either staged, or like she's an idiot putting on make-up just to roll out on a convoy.


Reading this I couldn't help but think that you consider women attractive only when they are wearing make-up. Could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

Now to my point...

My take on the use of "average-looking" women is not about percieved capability, but about the same issue that kept women out of combat for so long:  We don't like the idea of pretty women being killed, captured, raped, tortured by the enemy, so seeing a pretty woman in combat gear will weaken our support of the US Military.
 
2013-11-20 01:07:17 PM  
"when [public affairs officers] choose photos that glamorize women (such as in the attached article), we undermine our own efforts. Please use 'real' photos that are typical, not exceptional."

A perfectly sensible position to take. People making a big deal out of this are just idiots looking to find something to biatch about.
 
2013-11-20 01:10:15 PM  

vudukungfu: You know what a true whore is?
It's a woman that lets a man tell her what to do because god told him he was allowed to.

Fark them. they can stand up for them selves or GTFO.


But enough about the orthodox Israelis.
 
2013-11-20 01:10:16 PM  

vudukungfu: Sgt Otter: the Afghan women perceive it as something only whores do

You know what a true whore is?
It's a woman that lets a man tell her what to do because god told him he was allowed to.

Fark them. they can stand up for them selves or GTFO.


I kind of agree, but you're asking people to overcome their cultural programming. That's not as easy as just saying, "Hey, stop behaving the same way that all of your role-models behaved for hundreds of generations," and them saying, "OK, no probs."
 
2013-11-20 01:12:04 PM  
Bu-bu-but misogyny!
 
2013-11-20 01:12:18 PM  

ikanreed: they don't pick physically attractive male soldiers for informational materials,


Uh, yeah, they do.
I worked with a guy in the USAF that was clearly recruited to the position of poster boy SP. His assignment was the White house. He did it for a while and was rotated out. He looked like Doctor Frankenfurter's invention but 35-10.
He literally knew only the manual of arms for the M-16. That was it. He had 6 stripes and was dumber than a bag of hammers. I wouldn't even let him drive and I had but two stripes. His role was to look pretty in random photos anyone took of any thing at the white house. He must have farked up to get sent to my post because as cushy as it was (No humping planes) it was still in the farking desert.
 
2013-11-20 01:13:33 PM  
Maybe I am missing something, but the only women I served with were bull dykes or holy crap ugly as hell. Then again all these teachers banging students I never had one decent looking teacher even worth hitting on.
 
2013-11-20 01:13:36 PM  

technicolor-misfit


What do you mean?


It looks like one of them is wearing the hardhat backwards.

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-20 01:14:54 PM  

One Bad Apple: KidneyStone: I like the girl next door look, myself.  USAF

[www.truthorfiction.com image 850x499]

[static.fjcdn.com image 640x425]


Pearls.
 
2013-11-20 01:16:21 PM  

Sgt Otter: as something only whores do.


This is not true?
 
2013-11-20 01:18:11 PM  
Funny, I have yet to see an ugly female soldier.  My eyesight could be biased though. I only see the ones that finally left service.  2 of them have had kids, and still look beautiful.
 
2013-11-20 01:18:28 PM  

vudukungfu: ikanreed: they don't pick physically attractive male soldiers for informational materials,

Uh, yeah, they do.
I worked with a guy in the USAF that was clearly recruited to the position of poster boy SP. His assignment was the White house. He did it for a while and was rotated out. He looked like Doctor Frankenfurter's invention but 35-10.
He literally knew only the manual of arms for the M-16. That was it. He had 6 stripes and was dumber than a bag of hammers. I wouldn't even let him drive and I had but two stripes. His role was to look pretty in random photos anyone took of any thing at the white house. He must have farked up to get sent to my post because as cushy as it was (No humping planes) it was still in the farking desert.


I think I understood one or two of those sentences.

Can you say that again, translating the military jargon for us common folk? I mean what the hell does "dumber than a bag of hammers mean" anyway?
 
2013-11-20 01:18:56 PM  
One Bad Apple

Those aren't diamonds, look more like (fake?) pearls.

And now, we seque into prince

If I gave you diamonds and pearls
Would you be a happy boy or a girl
If I could I would give you the world
But all I can do is just offer you my love

Which one of us is right, if we always fight
Why can't we just let love decide
Am I the weaker man because I understand
That love must be the master plan

If I gave you diamonds and pearls
Would you be a happy boy or a girl
If I could I would give you the world
But all I can do is just offer you my love

D to the I to the A to the M
O to the N to the D to the pearls of love
D to the I to the A to the M
O to the N to the D to the pearls of love

There will come a time, when love will blow your mind
And everything you'll look for you'll find
That will be the time, that everything will shine
So bright it makes you colorblind
 
2013-11-20 01:19:55 PM  

parkke0108:


Pearls.


Practically invisible then. Forget everything.
 
2013-11-20 01:21:19 PM  
One Bad Apple: Practically invisible then. Forget everything.

Hey, if you can't tell the difference between a diamond and pearl ... you have no business in sniper training :P
 
2013-11-20 01:24:46 PM  
greengurlz.com
www.buzzinn.net
2.bp.blogspot.com
www.thewallofchampions.com
I guess it really depends on your preference, but I'm calling number 2 the hottest girl on the interwebs

/a thing for women in full uniform, I has it
 
2013-11-20 01:25:37 PM  
img.fark.net

What an average Army female might look like.
/except maybe a good 30+ lbs heavier.
//Army female
 
2013-11-20 01:28:17 PM  

One Bad Apple: KidneyStone: I like the girl next door look, myself.  USAF

[www.truthorfiction.com image 850x499]

[static.fjcdn.com image 640x425]


That's not a diamond.
 
2013-11-20 01:30:34 PM  

Gomamon: [img.fark.net image 478x720]

What an average Army female might look like.
/except maybe a good 30+ lbs heavier.
//Army female


She needs to keep the muzzle out of the dirt.
 
2013-11-20 01:32:14 PM  
I can tell you as a military person, there are two scales for basing the beauty of people. One for home station and one for deployed. Deployed automatically adds +5.
 
2013-11-20 01:33:42 PM  

ReapTheChaos: A perfectly sensible position to take. People making a big deal out of this are just idiots looking to find something to biatch about.


This.

I also like the comment in TFA "from an Army source" who says, "it scares me to think that these people are involved in gender integration."

Why? Because they are so prejudiced that they deign to judge whether a woman looks more attractive than average? Typical sexist pig hyper-male attitudes, believing they can bestow a judgement of beauty upon any sister.

Well, let me tell ya, after a couple months downrange, they all look like Israeli army calendar girls. And when you're contemplating a cultural change as significant as integrating groups of people previously excluded from the thing you're integrating them into, it's going to take some frank discussion about the realities. Especially when it concerns something so biologically ingrained as penis + vagina = fun.
 
2013-11-20 01:33:57 PM  
Beauty is relative.

Particularly down range.

Very, very particularly.
 
2013-11-20 01:34:25 PM  

Cymbal: Maybe this will also reduce the amount of sexual assaults female soldiers endure.

Oh who am I kidding.


This is what I don't understand...

They have guns and access to other things that go bang and boom... why the fark would you rape a woman and think nothing of it?  All they have to do is wait for you to be engaged in a fire fight and either not watch your back so they don't have to kill you or just kill you.
 
2013-11-20 01:34:50 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: technicolor-misfit

What do you mean?


It looks like one of them is wearing the hardhat backwards.


img.fark.net

"Hardhats" - I get it.  Nice...
 
2013-11-20 01:35:17 PM  

Zul the Magnificent: Gomamon: [img.fark.net image 478x720]

What an average Army female might look like.
/except maybe a good 30+ lbs heavier.
//Army female

She needs to keep the muzzle out of the dirt.


The rifle's or hers?
 
2013-11-20 01:39:12 PM  

Zul the Magnificent:


She needs to keep the muzzle out of the dirt.


That's a sexual harassment charge for pointing that out.
 
2013-11-20 01:44:26 PM  

Cymbal: what the hell does "dumber than a bag of hammers mean" anyway?


That should be clear as beer piss, young man.
 
2013-11-20 01:44:31 PM  
media.naplesnews.com

...DOWNRANGE, THREE WEEKS LATER....

www.idfinfo.co.il
 
2013-11-20 01:47:56 PM  

Gomamon: [img.fark.net image 478x720]

What an average Army female might look like.
/except maybe a good 30+ lbs heavier.
//Army female


IDK about anybody else, but that is what I call a hot mess.
 
2013-11-20 01:48:37 PM  

Stabone33: ...DOWNRANGE, THREE WEEKS LATER....


I'll take the one on the right.
 
2013-11-20 01:49:18 PM  

noitsnot: Englebert Slaptyback: technicolor-misfit

What do you mean?


It looks like one of them is wearing the hardhat backwards.

[img.fark.net image 630x420]

"Hardhats" - I get it.  Nice...


To be fair,  I see guys wearing hardhats backwards all the time. The weirder thing is, why does that Ipad looked shopped the hell in?
 
2013-11-20 01:49:50 PM  

ld2gj: I can tell you as a military person, there are two scales for basing the beauty of people. One for home station and one for deployed. Deployed automatically adds +5.


Ah yes... The Desert Queen.
But I suppose for some people, anything after 365 days alone will look good.
 
2013-11-20 01:49:52 PM  
Not fair to compare a volunteer service to a mandatory service. One brings in people who are willing, the other brings in everybody.
 
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