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(CNSNews)   Obama: "Trust us. If we make it so that every car can be tracked, the government will not use it for nefarious purposes"   ( divider line
    More: Scary, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Obama, senate commerce committee, John Holdren, Infrastructure Committee, White House Office, commercial vehicles, autonomous vehicle  
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1570 clicks; posted to Politics » on 20 Nov 2013 at 1:03 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2013-11-20 10:43:40 AM  
4 votes:
Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?
2013-11-20 09:44:19 AM  
3 votes:
"vehicle-to-vehicle" (V2V) communications technology that constantly broadcasts via radio wave the car's location, direction, speed and, possibly, even the number of passengers it is carrying. -

Coming up: "V2V installations in new cars breaking down constantly."

The Obama administration says this is something it has "no plans" to do even if it does mandate V2V technology in all new cars.
"NHTSA has no plans to modify the current V2V system design in a way that would enable the government or private entities to track individual motor vehicles,"

Fark you, Obama. And the NSA doesn't spy on random "individuals" either.
2013-11-20 01:39:57 PM  
2 votes:

IlGreven: cryinoutloud: Headso: The invasion of privacy shiat is where Obama is off his rocker.

I really don't have many problems with him except on this one issue.

Question:  Can you find an example of one politician, on any part of the political spectrum, that has a realistic shot at any federal office, that does not advocate the exact same surveillance policy that Barack Obama does, nor do they advocate a similar style of surveillance?

How about Senator Barack Obama?
2013-11-20 01:17:12 PM  
2 votes:
2013-11-20 02:12:05 PM  
1 vote:

JerkStore: I really don't want a car that drives itself. Ever. Not that I'm a Luddite or anything, but what's the point? We already have these things called "buses" and "trains" that can do pretty much the same thing without the expensive technology to make a self-driving car. Are we going to automate all 6 billion miles of pavement in the US (or whatever the figure is)? Who's paying for that? And why, exactly, do we need it when traffic injuries and fatalities are going down despite miles driven and traffic density going up each year?

Fortunately, they're going to try it in California and Nevada, the system's going to fark up, people are going to die in a spectacular way (think passenger train derailment), and that'll be the end of that. The litigation for SNAFUs like that will be too expensive to fully implement the dream of all the cars rushing along at 80 MPH bumper-to-bumper with drivers asleep behind the wheel and computers doing all the work. People are going to have to die for the "safety" folks to wake up and realize that we don't need to make better cars, we need to make better drivers. Right now all you need is a face they can take a picture of and you get a license.

Hell, I really wanted this particular new car last year, but the "adaptive" cruise control would automatically apply the brakes if there was something in front of me. Sometimes it would mistake a tree or some other stationary object for another car and rapidly apply the brakes, which was terrifying to everyone involved. Sometimes it would fail to notice another car entirely (a Mazda Miata apparently has no radar cross-section) and you'd have to get on the brakes yourself. I didn't buy the car because of this one ridiculous feature that couldn't be removed or opted-out. The technology IS NOT perfect, and probably can't be perfected given the vagaries of the roads we have.

Even if you hate driving, at least be competent at it. It's really not that hard.

This is not about self driving cars.
It's about finding new ways to tax you for driving.

Drive over x miles?
Pay a extra tax.

Driving over the holiday?
There's a tax on that.

Driving on a cross country jaunt?
Oh you better believe that's a taxin'
2013-11-20 02:03:31 PM  
1 vote:
2013-11-20 02:02:21 PM  
1 vote:
Trust has to be earned, Mr. President.

You earn it by telling us the truth when we ask you and your administration questions and not using executive privilege, claims of national security and outright lies to deflect them.

/I'm constantly amazed at how the Obama administration forgets that government is supposed to be for the people, of the people, by the people and not a secretive, shadowy organization that isn't accountable to the public. The president was a constitutional law professor, for cripe's sake. He's shown the same amount of aptitude for constitutional law in practice that the Bush administration did.
2013-11-20 01:34:38 PM  
1 vote:
Not going to read all the posts but if you ever wanted an automated transportation system there going to have to be some kind of thing like this.
2013-11-20 01:30:23 PM  
1 vote:

cman: ManateeGag: and the alternative was, what?

Something that isn't based upon fear

American elections are based on the simple premise that one must vote for a D or an R or the other side will win.

We are willing to take it up the ass on things just as long as the other side doesn't win

The funny thing is is that this has put us in a position where we perpetuate the system. There is something else out there.

/Oh, before anyone throws BSRBSVR, ask your self this: which parties disregard innocent life in drone strikes? Which parties support the Patriot Act? Which Parties think it is acceptable for the government to data mine their own citizens? Which parties support big business over unions? Yeah, both of them.

Here's the problem with that:  The way the electoral process is set up, we already know either a (D) or an (R) is going to win the big offices.  That's the problem with the "first-past-the-post" system; it always ends up being a two-party system in the end.  So, voting for someone else only ends up hurting whichever one of those you could reasonably see yourself holding your nose and voting for, while helping the one you wouldn't want to see in office in a million years.  If you want to change that, change the system; give me approval voting, and I would be perfectly fine checking "yes" for as many candidates as I find appealing, since I would no longer feel obligated to stop the greater of two evils from getting into office.

/even the politicians know this
//that's why all you see from third parties is sore losers and nutcases
2013-11-20 01:20:31 PM  
1 vote:
Suddenly every rightwinger who didn't care about the NSA reading library records is filled with white-hot fury.

/because they don't read
2013-11-20 01:16:26 PM  
1 vote:

James!: dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).

I'm sure if you fashion a tin foil hat for your phone you'll be just fine.

I don't own a cellphone.  But yes, wrapping it in foil will prevent it from transmitting and receiving data to the cell network, which means it can't be tracked.

It will be useless that way, however.

But the gubmint can't spy on your private conversations with their CIA antennas what are hidden in the golden arches of every McDonald franchise!!

OK, so it's pretty obvious you don't really have a clue here.

First, a bit of my background:  I used to be a "ditty bopper"*, which is military slang for what the Army officially used to call a "05H Electronic Warfare Signals Intelligence Morse Interceptor".      It was my job to intercept communications, in other words.  I had a Top Secret/SCI clearance, and oddly enough, I happened to work in the very same facility that Edward Snowden worked at, though I left there almost 25 years before he stepped foot in the place.  I spend 3 years there, copying the Morse code transmissions of foreign governments.  Prior to that, I attended the United States Army Intelligence School, Fort Devens (USAISD), which is where I actually learned Morse.

I got into that business because signals intelligence had fascinated me ever since I had read "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn as a young teen.  I probably would have stayed in, but at the time, for that MOS, in order to get promoted from Specialist (my rank) to Sergeant E-5, you needed 995 promotion points out of a possible 1,000.  Which meant you had to max out your PT test, military education, civilian education, range qualification, SQT score, Common Task testing, your promotion boards, etc.  Meanwhile, the non-Morse 05K interceptors only had to get 450 promotion points, which is practically a gimme to anyone who isn't a total fark-up.  So I left when my original 4 year enlistment was up.

Once I got out, I decided that I kinda missed Morse, so I got my ham radio license, and I've been heavily involved in radio (and not just via Morse code) ever since.

In fact, I still monitor a lot.  Here are all the stations I've heard in the last 6 hours.

Every single "bubble" with a number in it signifies a station I've received:.

So it's not like I'm a "government has a chip in my butt" kind of conspiracy theorist here.  I was at the very pointy tip of the spear on this sort of thing, back before FISA had been reinterpreted from its original intent.

I'm basing my opinion on professional and recreational experience here.

Now, I'd be interested to hear what your qualifications are.

*Hence my nom du Fark
2013-11-20 11:47:34 AM  
1 vote:

James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).
2013-11-20 11:35:11 AM  
1 vote:

cman: #Tyson2016

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President

How do we know he won't be corrupted like the others by the process?
2013-11-20 11:10:05 AM  
1 vote:

cman: which parties disregard innocent life in drone strikes? Which parties support the Patriot Act? Which Parties think it is acceptable for the government to data mine their own citizens? Which parties support big business over unions? Yeah, both of them.

Both, with the caviat of, when side A is for it/doing it, side B is against it vehemently.
2013-11-20 11:08:15 AM  
1 vote:

James!: By the end of the year they MAYdecide to IFthey will advance  RESEARCH into technology to enable V2V communication between vehicles.

No mandate, the technology doesn't even exist yet.

Actually, the technology does exist, and it's existed for a couple decades now.   Hams know it as APRS.

Want to know where a particular ham radio operator who has APRS happens to be?  Go to  For example, here is the track of K4HG's pickup truck:
2013-11-20 11:01:46 AM  
1 vote:

cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?

What makes you so sure we manage elect the lesser of two evils?  I mean, if you think that's the case, than you would have to admit that Bush was less evil than Kerry.

I think it's more accurate to say that we elect evil, and neither is lesser, they are just evil in different ways.
2013-11-20 11:01:36 AM  
1 vote:

cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?

Possibly better than the greater of two evils?  I won't know for SURE until I invent my Sliders thingy.
2013-11-20 10:58:44 AM  
1 vote:
and the alternative was, what?
2013-11-20 10:11:38 AM  
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