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(CNSNews)   Obama: "Trust us. If we make it so that every car can be tracked, the government will not use it for nefarious purposes"   (cnsnews.com) divider line 185
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2013-11-20 09:36:11 AM
I'm wondering how they will determine the number of passengers in the vehicle.  Based on seats that appear to be occupied?  What if I'm carrying a large heavy bag in the passenger seat.  Will it think that's a person?

Will they just go by weight of the car?  No officer, I'm not carrying 25 people in my car.  It's just that yo mama is so fat, she makes the car think it's carrying a football team?

Stupid thing is with the economy tanked and serious deficits, we're going to dump money into THIS?
 
2013-11-20 09:44:19 AM
"vehicle-to-vehicle" (V2V) communications technology that constantly broadcasts via radio wave the car's location, direction, speed and, possibly, even the number of passengers it is carrying. -

Coming up: "V2V installations in new cars breaking down constantly."

The Obama administration says this is something it has "no plans" to do even if it does mandate V2V technology in all new cars.
"NHTSA has no plans to modify the current V2V system design in a way that would enable the government or private entities to track individual motor vehicles,"


Fark you, Obama. And the NSA doesn't spy on random "individuals" either.
 
2013-11-20 09:45:08 AM
The NSA is giving illegally intercepted communications to all the other federal agencies, so I don't see why we have anything to worry about.
 
2013-11-20 09:56:33 AM

BizarreMan: I'm wondering how they will determine the number of passengers in the vehicle.  Based on seats that appear to be occupied?  What if I'm carrying a large heavy bag in the passenger seat.  Will it think that's a person?

Will they just go by weight of the car?  No officer, I'm not carrying 25 people in my car.  It's just that yo mama is so fat, she makes the car think it's carrying a football team?

Stupid thing is with the economy tanked and serious deficits, we're going to dump money into THIS?


They probably have sensors in the seats, like how your car knows that your passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and beeps at you.
 
2013-11-20 10:00:18 AM
By the end of the year they MAYdecide to IFthey will advance  RESEARCH into technology to enable V2V communication between vehicles.

No mandate, the technology doesn't even exist yet.
 
2013-11-20 10:07:10 AM
I will have to look at other sources for this, because CNS.  But, yeah, if something ends up required that ALLOWS that car to be tracked, then there's a pretty good chance it's going to be used to track some cars.
 
2013-11-20 10:11:38 AM
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2013-11-20 10:16:14 AM
The surgeon general MAY be considering encouraging technology to have sensor put in your butt so that doctors can monitor your vital signs.  Obama admin denies having plans to take over these sensors and make you poop whenever they want.
 
2013-11-20 10:19:56 AM
The Obama administration denies that they will mandate that you put a chip in your dog so that your dog barks every time you try to masturbate.
 
2013-11-20 10:43:40 AM
Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?
 
2013-11-20 10:58:44 AM
and the alternative was, what?
 
2013-11-20 11:01:36 AM

cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?


Possibly better than the greater of two evils?  I won't know for SURE until I invent my Sliders thingy.
 
2013-11-20 11:01:46 AM

cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?


What makes you so sure we manage elect the lesser of two evils?  I mean, if you think that's the case, than you would have to admit that Bush was less evil than Kerry.

I think it's more accurate to say that we elect evil, and neither is lesser, they are just evil in different ways.
 
2013-11-20 11:04:05 AM

ManateeGag: and the alternative was, what?


Something that isn't based upon fear

American elections are based on the simple premise that one must vote for a D or an R or the other side will win.

We are willing to take it up the ass on things just as long as the other side doesn't win

The funny thing is is that this has put us in a position where we perpetuate the system. There is something else out there.

/Oh, before anyone throws BSRBSVR, ask your self this: which parties disregard innocent life in drone strikes? Which parties support the Patriot Act? Which Parties think it is acceptable for the government to data mine their own citizens? Which parties support big business over unions? Yeah, both of them.
 
2013-11-20 11:08:14 AM

cman: Something that isn't based upon fear


Unfortunately, that's all we get lately.  even in NJ, all Buono ran on was "booga booga!  I'm not Christie!  He's destroying the state! he wants to be President!"

what would be nice is, I don't know, ideas.  a plan for the future.  not "I'm not him, vote for me!"
 
2013-11-20 11:08:15 AM

James!: By the end of the year they MAYdecide to IFthey will advance  RESEARCH into technology to enable V2V communication between vehicles.

No mandate, the technology doesn't even exist yet.


Actually, the technology does exist, and it's existed for a couple decades now.   Hams know it as APRS.

Want to know where a particular ham radio operator who has APRS happens to be?  Go to FINDU.com.  For example, here is the track of K4HG's pickup truck:

 http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?call=K4HG-1
 
2013-11-20 11:10:05 AM

cman: which parties disregard innocent life in drone strikes? Which parties support the Patriot Act? Which Parties think it is acceptable for the government to data mine their own citizens? Which parties support big business over unions? Yeah, both of them.


Both, with the caviat of, when side A is for it/doing it, side B is against it vehemently.
 
2013-11-20 11:10:37 AM

dittybopper: James!: By the end of the year they MAYdecide to IFthey will advance  RESEARCH into technology to enable V2V communication between vehicles.

No mandate, the technology doesn't even exist yet.

Actually, the technology does exist, and it's existed for a couple decades now.   Hams know it as APRS.

Want to know where a particular ham radio operator who has APRS happens to be?  Go to FINDU.com.  For example, here is the track of K4HG's pickup truck:

 http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/track.cgi?call=K4HG-1


Surprisingly, I've never been interested in the locations of ham operators.  I doubt that will change.
 
2013-11-20 11:19:12 AM

James!: Surprisingly, I've never been interested in the locations of ham operators.  I doubt that will change.


No doubt, but the point I was making was that the technology is available and it has been available for a couple decades now.

Obviously, V2V wouldn't use the same frequencies, modulation, and data format as APRS, but those are very minor details.

I've toyed with the idea of putting APRS in my car, but never really found a compelling reason to do so.  I'd rather not have my location beaconed out to the World.  I have played with it at my house, but the location of my house is a matter of public record anyway (If you know my callsign, you can look up my FCC license record), so it's not like that gives anything away.
 
2013-11-20 11:21:56 AM

dittybopper: James!: Surprisingly, I've never been interested in the locations of ham operators.  I doubt that will change.

No doubt, but the point I was making was that the technology is available and it has been available for a couple decades now.

Obviously, V2V wouldn't use the same frequencies, modulation, and data format as APRS, but those are very minor details.

I've toyed with the idea of putting APRS in my car, but never really found a compelling reason to do so.  I'd rather not have my location beaconed out to the World.  I have played with it at my house, but the location of my house is a matter of public record anyway (If you know my callsign, you can look up my FCC license record), so it's not like that gives anything away.


CNS is handing out tinfoil with the whole "They'll know where you are" bit.  The technology is about automated cars driving themselves.
 
2013-11-20 11:25:15 AM

ManateeGag: cman: Something that isn't based upon fear

Unfortunately, that's all we get lately.  even in NJ, all Buono ran on was "booga booga!  I'm not Christie!  He's destroying the state! he wants to be President!"

what would be nice is, I don't know, ideas.  a plan for the future.  not "I'm not him, vote for me!"


The problem with that is that it requires a non-asshole to run for office, and because candidates are largely self-selected, only the assholes who think they know better than everyone else run for office, especially for executive positions.   Then, because only the true assholes can gain the support of people they stepped on, by the time a candidate is standing for governor or president in an election, they are a complete and total asshole.
 
2013-11-20 11:30:16 AM

James!: CNS is handing out tinfoil with the whole "They'll know where you are" bit.  The technology is about automated cars driving themselves.


But once that data is transmitted into the open air, it *WILL* be gathered by the government.  Maybe that won't be the primary purpose of it, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

Of have you not been paying attention to the NSA scandals?
 
2013-11-20 11:31:14 AM

dittybopper: ManateeGag: cman: Something that isn't based upon fear

Unfortunately, that's all we get lately.  even in NJ, all Buono ran on was "booga booga!  I'm not Christie!  He's destroying the state! he wants to be President!"

what would be nice is, I don't know, ideas.  a plan for the future.  not "I'm not him, vote for me!"

The problem with that is that it requires a non-asshole to run for office, and because candidates are largely self-selected, only the assholes who think they know better than everyone else run for office, especially for executive positions.   Then, because only the true assholes can gain the support of people they stepped on, by the time a candidate is standing for governor or president in an election, they are a complete and total asshole.


#Tyson2016

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President
 
2013-11-20 11:35:03 AM

cman: #Tyson2016

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President


That way, Congress could ignore him specifically, instead of just in general.
 
2013-11-20 11:35:11 AM

cman: #Tyson2016

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President


How do we know he won't be corrupted like the others by the process?
 
2013-11-20 11:37:39 AM

dittybopper: James!: CNS is handing out tinfoil with the whole "They'll know where you are" bit.  The technology is about automated cars driving themselves.

But once that data is transmitted into the open air, it *WILL* be gathered by the government.  Maybe that won't be the primary purpose of it, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

Of have you not been paying attention to the NSA scandals?


That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.  In 20 or 30 years when this technology actually becomes available I'll be too busy plowing into farmers markets to care.
 
2013-11-20 11:38:02 AM

dittybopper: cman: #Tyson2016

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President

How do we know he won't be corrupted like the others by the process?


Hes a pure ideologist. He's not a businessman nor a politician. His primary goal is the advancement of science.

Thats not to say that he couldn't become corrupt. Anyone can become corrupt. I hope that with his love of science that he would be someone who would be less corruptible.
 
2013-11-20 11:42:59 AM
I refuse to cooperate with the government. My purposes are wholly my own.
 
2013-11-20 11:47:34 AM

James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.


Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).
 
2013-11-20 11:50:34 AM

Nefarious: I refuse to cooperate with the government. My purposes are wholly my own.


They will game the system so that you have no choice.  You will be cooperating without consent because it will happen automatically without your knowledge, and it will be illegal for the people who know about it to tell the general public.
 
2013-11-20 11:53:29 AM

dittybopper: James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).


I'm sure if you fashion a tin foil hat for your phone you'll be just fine.
 
2013-11-20 12:03:15 PM

dittybopper: cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?

What makes you so sure we manage elect the lesser of two evils?  I mean, if you think that's the case, than you would have to admit that Bush was less evil than Kerry.

I think it's more accurate to say that we elect evil, and neither is lesser, they are just evil in different ways.


We all know, both sides are bad and equivalent.
 
2013-11-20 12:05:11 PM

dittybopper: ManateeGag: cman: Something that isn't based upon fear

Unfortunately, that's all we get lately.  even in NJ, all Buono ran on was "booga booga!  I'm not Christie!  He's destroying the state! he wants to be President!"

what would be nice is, I don't know, ideas.  a plan for the future.  not "I'm not him, vote for me!"

The problem with that is that it requires a non-asshole to run for office, and because candidates are largely self-selected, only the assholes who think they know better than everyone else run for office, especially for executive positions.   Then, because only the true assholes can gain the support of people they stepped on, by the time a candidate is standing for governor or president in an election, they are a complete and total asshole.


yeah, but if we let "the people" decide who runs, we'll end up with Phil Robertson v. Kanye West for the White House.
 
2013-11-20 12:06:32 PM

dr_blasto: dittybopper: cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?

What makes you so sure we manage elect the lesser of two evils?  I mean, if you think that's the case, than you would have to admit that Bush was less evil than Kerry.

I think it's more accurate to say that we elect evil, and neither is lesser, they are just evil in different ways.

We all know, both sides are bad and equivalent.


One side is more evil than the other. It doesn't matter because they are both still evil. The fact that we Americans can live happily and proud knowing that evil was elected is kinda farked up.
 
2013-11-20 12:11:34 PM

James!: dittybopper: James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).

I'm sure if you fashion a tin foil hat for your phone you'll be just fine.


I don't own a cellphone.  But yes, wrapping it in foil will prevent it from transmitting and receiving data to the cell network, which means it can't be tracked.

It will be useless that way, however.
 
2013-11-20 12:14:44 PM

dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).

I'm sure if you fashion a tin foil hat for your phone you'll be just fine.

I don't own a cellphone.  But yes, wrapping it in foil will prevent it from transmitting and receiving data to the cell network, which means it can't be tracked.

It will be useless that way, however.


But the gubmint can't spy on your private conversations with their CIA antennas what are hidden in the golden arches of every McDonald franchise!!
 
2013-11-20 12:22:47 PM
You're already being tracked 24/7 by your cell phone. This is just a back-up plan by the government in case you throw your cell phone out the window when you are trying to escape them.
 
2013-11-20 12:23:40 PM

cman: dr_blasto: dittybopper: cman: Isn't voting for the lesser of two evils working out great for us?

What makes you so sure we manage elect the lesser of two evils?  I mean, if you think that's the case, than you would have to admit that Bush was less evil than Kerry.

I think it's more accurate to say that we elect evil, and neither is lesser, they are just evil in different ways.

We all know, both sides are bad and equivalent.

One side is more evil than the other. It doesn't matter because they are both still evil. The fact that we Americans can live happily and proud knowing that evil was elected is kinda farked up.


Americans don't vote rationally. They vote single-issue "ABORTION" "GUNS" "SAFETY NET" or they vote team politics.

That is how it is. People look at any one of those items and see absolutes: "gun laws are akin to locking us up in FEMA camps, all freedoms are lost!" "Abortion is murder. You either outlaw it or you're condoning murder." "You cut welfare, you don't care if kids starve to death on the streets."

Team politics: "stupid libtard. I like this law because it pisses you off."

Figure a way to get around that shiat, then you've solved a big part of the puzzle. I don't think it will be solved. I see too many people who, in normal day-to-day conversation, are completely rational, thoughtful and in many cases actually very bright. If Obama, Obamacare, Tea Party or the like comes up, watch out. The same smart people repeat bullshiat and lies and batshiat insane conspiracy.

It just is and we deal with it.
 
2013-11-20 01:05:32 PM
Just setting up to track the vehicle mileage for taxing purposes.
 
2013-11-20 01:07:42 PM
Vehicles produced with TPMS can be tracked with RFID sensors that monitor tires. That's how they figure travel times for the traffic indicators on the map aps.
 
2013-11-20 01:10:32 PM
Hostages did it.
 
2013-11-20 01:12:57 PM
What do y'all suppose the government is going to do with this information?

Anybody worried about this likely already has heavily fortified compound, an arsenal, and strong opinions regarding personal sovereignty.
 
2013-11-20 01:13:31 PM
The thing that is most frightening about bureaucrats is that, for them, failure is never a reason to change procedures.

Snowden's comment about moving towards "turnkey tyranny" is the most prescient comment I've heard concerning the state of government today in a long time.  He's absolutely correct.
 
2013-11-20 01:16:04 PM
Demolition Man was prophetic.
 
2013-11-20 01:16:26 PM

James!: dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: That isn't what the NSA is doing, but whatever.

Actually, that's *PRECISELY* what the NSA is doing:  Collecting the metadata from your radio transmissions (ie., cellphone calls, texting, e-mails).

I'm sure if you fashion a tin foil hat for your phone you'll be just fine.

I don't own a cellphone.  But yes, wrapping it in foil will prevent it from transmitting and receiving data to the cell network, which means it can't be tracked.

It will be useless that way, however.

But the gubmint can't spy on your private conversations with their CIA antennas what are hidden in the golden arches of every McDonald franchise!!


OK, so it's pretty obvious you don't really have a clue here.

First, a bit of my background:  I used to be a "ditty bopper"*, which is military slang for what the Army officially used to call a "05H Electronic Warfare Signals Intelligence Morse Interceptor".      It was my job to intercept communications, in other words.  I had a Top Secret/SCI clearance, and oddly enough, I happened to work in the very same facility that Edward Snowden worked at, though I left there almost 25 years before he stepped foot in the place.  I spend 3 years there, copying the Morse code transmissions of foreign governments.  Prior to that, I attended the United States Army Intelligence School, Fort Devens (USAISD), which is where I actually learned Morse.

I got into that business because signals intelligence had fascinated me ever since I had read "The Codebreakers" by David Kahn as a young teen.  I probably would have stayed in, but at the time, for that MOS, in order to get promoted from Specialist (my rank) to Sergeant E-5, you needed 995 promotion points out of a possible 1,000.  Which meant you had to max out your PT test, military education, civilian education, range qualification, SQT score, Common Task testing, your promotion boards, etc.  Meanwhile, the non-Morse 05K interceptors only had to get 450 promotion points, which is practically a gimme to anyone who isn't a total fark-up.  So I left when my original 4 year enlistment was up.

Once I got out, I decided that I kinda missed Morse, so I got my ham radio license, and I've been heavily involved in radio (and not just via Morse code) ever since.

In fact, I still monitor a lot.  Here are all the stations I've heard in the last 6 hours.
i40.tinypic.com

Every single "bubble" with a number in it signifies a station I've received:.

So it's not like I'm a "government has a chip in my butt" kind of conspiracy theorist here.  I was at the very pointy tip of the spear on this sort of thing, back before FISA had been reinterpreted from its original intent.

I'm basing my opinion on professional and recreational experience here.

Now, I'd be interested to hear what your qualifications are.

*Hence my nom du Fark
 
2013-11-20 01:17:12 PM
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2013-11-20 01:18:35 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: What do y'all suppose the government is going to do with this information?

Anybody worried about this likely already has heavily fortified compound, an arsenal, and strong opinions regarding personal sovereignty.


This. If big gubmint wants to find you, they will. This will just make traffic lighter so your trip to the FEMA camp won't take as long.
 
2013-11-20 01:18:40 PM
The invasion of privacy shiat is where Obama is off his rocker.
 
2013-11-20 01:18:53 PM
If the technology can be used that way, it almost certainly  will be used that way, regardless of who is president.

That said...CNS?  Really?
 
2013-11-20 01:20:18 PM
cman:

It would be cool if we could convince Neil deGrasse Tyson to run for President

He is overqualified for the job.  But I would love to see him there to restart space programs as well as fully fund research for pure science experiments.
 
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