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2013-11-20 11:58:01 AM
Well everyone knows the quickest way to get something fixed is to spray paint nazi symbols on it. It's how I get potholes fixed around my neighborhood.

images1.cliqueclack.com
 
2013-11-20 12:11:11 PM
I'm not saying I agree with vandalizing government property, but I understand.
 
2013-11-20 12:19:34 PM

basemetal: I'm not saying I agree with vandalizing government property, but I understand.


I think the cameras are owned and operated by the red light companies.  That's how they get the maximum cut of taxpayer revenue.
 
2013-11-20 01:00:41 PM
I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.
 
2013-11-20 01:02:02 PM
The speed cameras will nazi you coming.
 
2013-11-20 01:02:34 PM

You know who *ELSE* hated red light cameras.....?




i1.ytimg.com


clicky photo link pops.
 
2013-11-20 01:05:24 PM
I think the headline was funny.
 
2013-11-20 01:06:13 PM
Hasn't changed much from my Fox News initiation. Of course, back in the day, spray painting live traffic monitors is a lot harder because they'll chase you and beat you if they catch you. And the cameraman will catch it all.
 
2013-11-20 01:08:06 PM
I was more interested in "NUDE PICS: Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!" at the bottom:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23778668/college-teaching-assistant-acc id entally-sends-nude-pictures-to-students

Unfortunately it's SFW.
 
2013-11-20 01:08:12 PM
Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.
 
2013-11-20 01:08:21 PM
If only there was some way to capture an image of the person doing this.
 
2013-11-20 01:08:56 PM

groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.


Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.
 
2013-11-20 01:09:38 PM
I saw the swastikas as a comment on the people running this scam
not as a racist statement or a tag representing someone
glad people are taking back their roads
 
2013-11-20 01:10:38 PM

obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.


Yeah, it's not like there's a naturally recognizable symbol for big brother, which would be the obvious choice, so they just grabbed an easy to spray-paint totalitarian symbol and went to town.
 
2013-11-20 01:10:38 PM
seems like paint balls would be more effecient.

ker-splat, move on...ker-splat, move on...kersplat etc
 
2013-11-20 01:12:56 PM

Squigley: I was more interested in "NUDE PICS: Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!" at the bottom:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23778668/college-teaching-assistant-acc id entally-sends-nude-pictures-to-students

Unfortunately it's SFW.


This gave me an interresting idea.  If you were to hang up a poster in the line of sight of the camera with an explicit sexual photo on it. Would they still send you a ticket?  Even if it included a graphic sexual photograph?  Could you then sue them for the 'emotional distress' such a shocking photo would cause?

"Fark lawyers to the white courtesy phone."
 
2013-11-20 01:12:57 PM

groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.


So, you're saying that if you  weren't home, that there's a chance You could have been nazi-ing everything up?
 
2013-11-20 01:14:55 PM
Police also say religious slurs were painted on the cameras and on a sign that warns drivers of the cameras.

Religious??
 
2013-11-20 01:14:59 PM

obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.


There's that.

But TFA never explains exactly what 'racial epithets' were spraypainted on the camera enclosures.  There's a significant Jewish population in Montgomery County; if they were anti-Semitic, then the headline is right.
 
2013-11-20 01:15:12 PM

EdNortonsTwin: seems like paint balls would be more effecient.

ker-splat, move on...ker-splat, move on...kersplat etc


This has been happening in the area as well.  There have been continuous attacks on these things in the area.  Totally not me. I don't even own one of those.  I was with my cousin at the time.
 
2013-11-20 01:16:29 PM
Heck! In the UK, they set the box on fire.
 
2013-11-20 01:19:40 PM
My advice to the link creator at the My fox Dc website is to switch to decaf of at least cut out the mid-morning bump of crank.  I mean seriously?

NUDE PICS : Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!

SHOCK: Sex Assault During Home Invasion!!!!

MD: Revenge Porn Bill!!!

HIV: Murder After Admitting HIV!!!!!

Shock: Bull Sharks Caught Near DC!!!!

I mean one exclamation point is bad enough, but 4 just seems a little desperate
 
2013-11-20 01:20:13 PM
I suppose if you wanted to throw off the cops you could do something like add the swastika. Of course they would likely think that too. So maybe it was Nazis. I like what they do with the petrol and car tire on the UK cams.
 
2013-11-20 01:21:44 PM

obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.


I was thinking the same thing.

/Obama - Hitler, they do like a bit alike. Especially around the eyes.
 
2013-11-20 01:22:42 PM

Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.


I'm glad it's not much in your area, but it's the idea behind it.  These are nothing more than revenue generators.  I've yet to see any definitive proof these cameras save lives.  Red light cameras, yes, perhaps these save lives.  The problem is that if the main goal is to generate revenue, you'll see the fines creep up.  Well, the people didn't revolt at $40/ticket, let's raise it up to $50.  So the hero tag might be a bit of a stretch but hopefully it will generate a debate and get some politicians to say "enough is enough" and not use the speed cameras.
 
2013-11-20 01:23:12 PM

Magorn: My advice to the link creator at the My fox Dc website is to switch to decaf of at least cut out the mid-morning bump of crank.  I mean seriously?

NUDE PICS : Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!

SHOCK: Sex Assault During Home Invasion!!!!

MD: Revenge Porn Bill!!!

HIV: Murder After Admitting HIV!!!!!

Shock: Bull Sharks Caught Near DC!!!!

I mean one exclamation point is bad enough, but 4 just seems a little desperate


Since I started reading Pratchett's Interesting Times, exclamation marks have become less annoying and more funny.
 
2013-11-20 01:24:35 PM
Maybe it was spraypainted by a Hindu.
 
2013-11-20 01:25:11 PM
OK I really hate the idea of any kind of police cameras being used. (except maybe dash cams) But trying not to die every time I get in the car due to morons that cant drive, I say put up more of them. Would rather see a group of cops rotating to different corners each couple days writing tickets, bit also understand staffing limitations. So rather than risking jail time painting the stupid things, start slashing tires on the fools that provide the need or the cameras.

//red lights are just a suggestion in Omaha
 
2013-11-20 01:25:56 PM

obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.


That was my 1st thought as well.
 
2013-11-20 01:29:02 PM

Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.


I really hate the ones they have like in the fourth picture. If you are in the other lane the flash from that is almost blinding and can startle the hell out of you. Last I heard they have put over 100 red light/speed cams in Montgomery county and most of them are in the Bethesda/Rockville area.

Dr Jack Badofsky: So, you're saying that if you  weren't home, that there's a chance You could have been nazi-ing everything up?


Hey if it was me I would have more fun with it, like cover them in Obama or Romney stickers. I would like to think I can be more creative than a swastika.
 
2013-11-20 01:29:13 PM

obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.


Neither Nazism nor Communism have any "creeping" aspects. They pretty much show up full blown, either through violent revolution, or violent subversion once they get their nose in the door. Nobody gradually winds up in a totalitarian state.
 
2013-11-20 01:33:58 PM

Magorn: My advice to the link creator at the My fox Dc website is to switch to decaf of at least cut out the mid-morning bump of crank.  I mean seriously?

NUDE PICS : Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!

SHOCK: Sex Assault During Home Invasion!!!!

MD: Revenge Porn Bill!!!

HIV: Murder After Admitting HIV!!!!!

Shock: Bull Sharks Caught Near DC!!!!

I mean one exclamation point is bad enough, but 4 just seems a little desperate


I like how one has three exclamation points and another has five. Sheesh, at least be consistent!(!!!!)
 
2013-11-20 01:34:04 PM

mbillips: obamadidcoke: Well, speed cameras are indicative of a creeping totalitarian panopticon to some people. I can understand how some people might use the symbol for Nazism as a symbol for totalitarianism.

Neither Nazism nor Communism have any "creeping" aspects. They pretty much show up full blown, either through violent revolution, or violent subversion once they get their nose in the door. Nobody gradually winds up in a totalitarian state.


wouldn't getting their nose in the door = creeping ?
 
2013-11-20 01:34:13 PM
Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?
 
2013-11-20 01:35:55 PM
I thought the Bear Jew was just marking the nazi basterds.
 
2013-11-20 01:38:08 PM

groppet: Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Dr Jack Badofsky: So, you're saying that if you  weren't home, that there's a chance You could have been nazi-ing everything up?

Hey if it was me I would have more fun with it, like cover them in Obama or Romney stickers. I would like to think I can be more creative than a swastika.


Perhaps Romney or Obama stickers applied in the shape of a "swasticker".
 
2013-11-20 01:39:32 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?


Because the Constitution gives you the right to confront your accuser in open court, and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure.

Who, exactly, is your accuser?  The guy who assembled the camera, or installed the camera?  The guy who processes the photos? The last guy to calibrate the camera?

Madison, Jefferson, et al didn't realize it when they wrote the thing 200+ years ago, but those rights have turned out to be a great way to help rein in the temptation to monitor everyone, all the time.  If there has to be an individual human citing you for breaking the law, that means there's no force multiplier.

/NSA, you're next
 
2013-11-20 01:41:01 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?


Lack of the corrective benefit of an officer asking you how fast you are going- instead you just receive a ticket a week later with little recourse because how many people remember their exact speed when travelling some podunk road a week before.
 
2013-11-20 01:41:22 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?


if someone is driving your car and gets nailed with a speed camera guess who gets the ticket ? If a live police officer pulls over the person driving your car THEY get the ticket. That is an easy example. The other would be another surveillance device watching you go about your day, but take in to account that these devices are billed as safety measures when the same folks in charge have been caught across the country unsafely changing yellow light times to increase $afety and that the red light camera intersections generally show an uptick in accidents etc
 
2013-11-20 01:41:53 PM

FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?


The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.
 
2013-11-20 01:49:47 PM
Get someone who can actually draw to do a fat cat gabbing money, not a swastika.
 
2013-11-20 01:50:06 PM

thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?

The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.


Except there is no cop in the loop for most of these systems.

They are processed by some guy in a cubicle who works for the outsourced contractor, often in another state, that actually owns and operates the cameras.  The city just gets paid their vig every month.

Read up on the situation in Elmwood Place, Ohio.
 
2013-11-20 01:54:56 PM

groppet:
I really hate the ones they have like in the fourth picture. If you are in the other lane the flash from that is almost blinding and can startle the hell out of you. Last I heard they have put over 100 red light/speed cams in Montgomery county and most of them are in the Bethesda/Rockville area.




Agreed they have these in my area...it can startle the crap out of you.  It's also distracting when driving on an expressway overpass and the are popping off on the surface streets below.

 
2013-11-20 01:56:04 PM

Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.


You'd think that with the taxes we pay in MoCo we'd get to speed whenever we damned well please, but nooooo....
 
2013-11-20 01:56:58 PM
Anti-government racists? How original.
 
2013-11-20 01:58:36 PM
Those red light companies are owned by Jews, so the guy's not totally off-base here.
 
2013-11-20 01:58:44 PM

FrancoFile: thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?

The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.

Except there is no cop in the loop for most of these systems.

They are processed by some guy in a cubicle who works for the outsourced contractor, often in another state, that actually owns and operates the cameras.  The city just gets paid their vig every month.

Read up on the situation in Elmwood Place, Ohio.


In Maryland, the tickets always come signed by a cop. It neatly gets around that issue. I'm surprised Ohio didn't figure that one out.
 
2013-11-20 01:59:03 PM

TheYeti: Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.

You'd think that with the taxes we pay in MoCo we'd get to speed whenever we damned well please, but nooooo....


Whaddaya mean? I drive as fast as I can down 270 all the time...though the fastest I can drive on 270 is about 30mph.

But hey, at least they aren't taxing rainwater.
 
2013-11-20 01:59:05 PM
I think the culprit is saying the cameras and the government who operates them are the nazis, not that the vandal is.
 
2013-11-20 01:59:10 PM
Because swastika?
 
2013-11-20 01:59:45 PM
Someone please help me. I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera. Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them. But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop? If yes, why? If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?


Thanks Toastmaster, I've always been the same way, If I'm driving like I should be, then why do i care if they use cameras to catch the idiots. If it makes the roads safer then I say use more of them.

Lack of the corrective benefit of an officer asking you how fast you are going- instead you just receive a ticket a week later with little recourse because how many people remember their exact speed when travelling some podunk road a week before.

Locally the cops will sit 1 car on an overpass with the radar or laser gun & radio to cars waitng farther up the road. Perfectly legal, and if you ask to see the gun for proof they will tell you they don't have to show it to you, and you still get the ticket. My BIL got caught that way a few years back.
 
2013-11-20 01:59:53 PM
My thoughts: use something not quite as obtrusive as paint. Something which will neutralize the camera's ability to generate photographic evidence, yet not be as visibly evident. It could be as easy as paint balls filled with egg whites. All you have to do is make the glass go from transparent to slightly translucent. Just a little cloudy, and you've thrown a spanner in the cogs.
 
2013-11-20 01:59:53 PM
the vandal isn't promoting nazism, she is calling the cameras nazis.
 
2013-11-20 02:02:16 PM

thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?

The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.


And if i set up a monitoring station on my street and took evidence of a civil offense to the police would they chase you down and issue a ticket?
 
2013-11-20 02:02:49 PM

FrancoFile: ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Because the Constitution gives you the right to confront your accuser in open court, and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure.

Who, exactly, is your accuser? The guy who assembled the camera, or installed the camera?  The guy who processes the photos? The last guy to calibrate the camera?

Madison, Jefferson, et al didn't realize it when they wrote the thing 200+ years ago, but those rights have turned out to be a great way to help rein in the temptation to monitor everyone, all the time.  If there has to be an individual human citing you for breaking the law, that means there's no force multiplier.

/NSA, you're next



The cop who reviews the image and sends the ticket on its way.

I know its cool to think everyone in government is dumb, but when it comes to them getting the money they are suprisingly clever.
 
2013-11-20 02:03:18 PM

trappedspirit: Because swastika?


Yeah, people might rally behind you when you get all anti-state opression or big brother. But when you start associating swastikas with it, you start to lose people.  See, there was this group back in the 1940's that used it as their symbol, and they did some pretty farked up shiate.  Now people shy away from that symbol to avoid association with that group.
 
2013-11-20 02:04:40 PM

ShamanGator: Locally the cops will sit 1 car on an overpass with the radar or laser gun & radio to cars waitng farther up the road. Perfectly legal, and if you ask to see the gun for proof they will tell you they don't have to show it to you, and you still get the ticket. My BIL got caught that way a few years back.


Your BIL could have gotten that ticket thrown out as "hearsay evidence ".
 
2013-11-20 02:04:49 PM
ikanreed:

Yeah, it's not like there's a naturally recognizable symbol for big brother,

Well, there's always the Democratic donkey, which is synonymous with authoritarianism...
 
2013-11-20 02:05:33 PM

Squigley: I was more interested in "NUDE PICS: Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!" at the bottom:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23778668/college-teaching-assistant-acc id entally-sends-nude-pictures-to-students

Unfortunately it's SFW.


Yeah, I scroll down and get Nude pics, sex assault, Revenge porn bill, Murder after admiting HIV, and sharks caught near DC.......

What the farking hell is this site?
 
2013-11-20 02:10:36 PM

EdNortonsTwin: seems like paint balls would be more effecient.

ker-splat, move on...ker-splat, move on...kersplat etc


Not sure about the state you live in, but you do NOT want to do that in Michigan.  That's covered by the state's drive-by shooting law and can get you 4 years in prison.
 
2013-11-20 02:13:12 PM

FrancoFile: ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Because the Constitution gives you the right to confront your accuser in open court, and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure.

Who, exactly, is your accuser?  The guy who assembled the camera, or installed the camera?  The guy who processes the photos? The last guy to calibrate the camera?

Madison, Jefferson, et al didn't realize it when they wrote the thing 200+ years ago, but those rights have turned out to be a great way to help rein in the temptation to monitor everyone, all the time.  If there has to be an individual human citing you for breaking the law, that means there's no force multiplier.

/NSA, you're next


I don't see the 4th Amendment problem.  If it's not an improper search to have a live officer hit me with radar on a public street, it's not going to be if a camera does it.

As for the 6th Amendment, it's the right to face your witnesses, which you have as you can contest both the validity of the photo/camera/operators in court.

I"m not sure there's any Constitutional violation.  However, I get your creep/force multiplier concern.  Perhaps not good public policy from that standpoint.  I'll have to think on it a bit more (for my own opinion) but definitely something to keep in mind.

Thanks!
 
2013-11-20 02:13:49 PM
When you have a road where everyone speeds, including the cops, ambulances, city workers, etc...by a good 10 to 30KM/h over,  it's time to rethink that speed limit.

Problem is, it'$ fairly common that when it'$ time to fill the quota of the month, that's where they'll have cops all over the place.
 
2013-11-20 02:14:37 PM

meanmutton: EdNortonsTwin: seems like paint balls would be more effecient.

ker-splat, move on...ker-splat, move on...kersplat etc

Not sure about the state you live in, but you do NOT want to do that in Michigan.  That's covered by the state's drive-by shooting law and can get you 4 years in prison.


But regular balloons filled with paint is still fine?
 
2013-11-20 02:16:46 PM
I'd have used 2 part epoxy and sand.
 
2013-11-20 02:17:16 PM

Fano: ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Lack of the corrective benefit of an officer asking you how fast you are going- instead you just receive a ticket a week later with little recourse because how many people remember their exact speed when travelling some podunk road a week before.


I don't think it matters whether the officer asks you anything, since they don't have to do so.  It's Constitutionally enough for them to say they clocked you at X, the speed limit was X-15, and therefore you're getting a ticket.  But I do see the public policy on recollection.  If I knowingly receive a ticket at the time of the alleged infraction, I'm going to remember more of the details for a better defense, than if I'm informed afterwards.  Food for thought.

Thanks!
 
2013-11-20 02:17:53 PM

Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Farher Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.


In a lot of place you cant get jail time, even if you don't pay. Where I am they can't even block yearly registration. Basically the ticket should just say "pretty please" at the top.
 
2013-11-20 02:21:05 PM

mbillips: Nobody gradually winds up in a totalitarian state.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Political_program

1968 to 1979... how gradual is gradual?
 
2013-11-20 02:22:52 PM
LOST TAG
 
2013-11-20 02:23:03 PM
This was a correct use of the Swastika.
 
2013-11-20 02:24:03 PM

ShamanGator: Someone please help me. I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera. Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them. But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop? If yes, why? If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Thanks Toastmaster, I've always been the same way, If I'm driving like I should be, then why do i care if they use cameras to catch the idiots. If it makes the roads safer then I say use more of them.

Lack of the corrective benefit of an officer asking you how fast you are going- instead you just receive a ticket a week later with little recourse because how many people remember their exact speed when travelling some podunk road a week before.

Locally the cops will sit 1 car on an overpass with the radar or laser gun & radio to cars waitng farther up the road. Perfectly legal, and if you ask to see the gun for proof they will tell you they don't have to show it to you, and you still get the ticket. My BIL got caught that way a few years back.


They don't need to show you the gun, but the officer writing the ticket has to witness the infraction. When he signs the ticket, that is what he is asserting.
 
2013-11-20 02:29:33 PM

jaybeezey: thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?

The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.

And if i set up a monitoring station on my street and took evidence of a civil offense to the police would they chase you down and issue a ticket?


If you signed a deal with them saying that the monitoring you were doing was a service that you were providing for them, then yes. Otherwise, no. If you're under the impression that these cameras were placed with no such agreements in place, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
2013-11-20 02:35:16 PM

aseras: Locally the cops will sit 1 car on an overpass with the radar or laser gun & radio to cars waitng farther up the road. Perfectly legal, and if you ask to see the gun for proof they will tell you they don't have to show it to you, and you still get the ticket. My BIL got caught that way a few years back.

They don't need to show you the gun, but the officer writing the ticket has to witness the infraction. When he signs the ticket, that is what he is asserting.


Depends on the applicable laws. Your laws might allow an officer to write a ticket for an infraction which he's been told of by another officer. For speed cameras, many states have passed laws which changed the rules -- such as making the owner be responsible for the speeding vehicle.
 
2013-11-20 02:43:56 PM

under a mountain: groppet:
I really hate the ones they have like in the fourth picture. If you are in the other lane the flash from that is almost blinding and can startle the hell out of you. Last I heard they have put over 100 red light/speed cams in Montgomery county and most of them are in the Bethesda/Rockville area.


Agreed they have these in my area...it can startle the crap out of you.  It's also distracting when driving on an expressway overpass and the are popping off on the surface streets below.


hmmm how long before one of them causes an accident and the person in question sues the unholy crap out of the red light camera company?   Hmmm maybe time to pay my MD bar dues....
 
2013-11-20 02:50:23 PM
You know, it being MD, swastikas are absolutely not the right thing to be painting on the speed cameras. The hammer and sickle would be far, far more appropriate.
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2013-11-20 02:51:41 PM
As a result, the cameras are not working right now and not expected to be fixed until later this morning.

Actualy the cameras are working just fine. They are taking excellent pictures of the blacked over viewport.
 
2013-11-20 02:54:42 PM

thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: thurstonxhowell: FrancoFile: Who, exactly, is your accuser?

The cop who signs the ticket. He is accusing you based on the evidence given to him by the camera.

I don't like the cameras, either, but that's a very simple question with an obvious answer.

Except there is no cop in the loop for most of these systems.

They are processed by some guy in a cubicle who works for the outsourced contractor, often in another state, that actually owns and operates the cameras.  The city just gets paid their vig every month.

Read up on the situation in Elmwood Place, Ohio.

In Maryland, the tickets always come signed by a cop. It neatly gets around that issue. I'm surprised Ohio didn't figure that one out.


Ok, the cop signs the ticket, but is he the one actually watching the video deciding if there is reason to ticket an individual?  If he isn't, that is hardly confronting your accuser, but rather confronting a Guy Who Can Sign His Name.
 
2013-11-20 03:32:39 PM

Tricky Chicken: Squigley: I was more interested in "NUDE PICS: Teacher Sends Naked Pics to Students!!!!" at the bottom:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23778668/college-teaching-assistant-acc id entally-sends-nude-pictures-to-students

Unfortunately it's SFW.

This gave me an interresting idea.  If you were to hang up a poster in the line of sight of the camera with an explicit sexual photo on it. Would they still send you a ticket?  Even if it included a graphic sexual photograph?  Could you then sue them for the 'emotional distress' such a shocking photo would cause?

"Fark lawyers to the white courtesy phone."


Disseminating pornography, perhaps.
 
2013-11-20 03:40:05 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: Fano: ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Lack of the corrective benefit of an officer asking you how fast you are going- instead you just receive a ticket a week later with little recourse because how many people remember their exact speed when travelling some podunk road a week before.

I don't think it matters whether the officer asks you anything, since they don't have to do so.  It's Constitutionally enough for them to say they clocked you at X, the speed limit was X-15, and therefore you're getting a ticket.  But I do see the public policy on recollection.  If I knowingly receive a ticket at the time of the alleged infraction, I'm going to remember more of the details for a better defense, than if I'm informed afterwards.  Food for thought.

Thanks!


Don't forget, even these machines can make a mistake now and then.  And, how thrilled would you be to get a ticket for 110mph in a 45 zone with no way of discussing the matter before a trial?
 
2013-11-20 03:49:16 PM
How does this "cop signing the ticket" know that I am the person driving the vehicle???
 
2013-11-20 03:55:25 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: FrancoFile: ToastmasterGeneral: Someone please help me.  I'm completely fine with the concept of speed cameras.

If I assume that it's ok to have a speed limit, then I don't care who catches me, live cop or camera.  Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

Now if there's data that the cameras routinely get people who weren't speeding then ditch them.  But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop?  If yes, why?  If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?

Because the Constitution gives you the right to confront your accuser in open court, and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure.

Who, exactly, is your accuser?  The guy who assembled the camera, or installed the camera?  The guy who processes the photos? The last guy to calibrate the camera?

Madison, Jefferson, et al didn't realize it when they wrote the thing 200+ years ago, but those rights have turned out to be a great way to help rein in the temptation to monitor everyone, all the time.  If there has to be an individual human citing you for breaking the law, that means there's no force multiplier.

/NSA, you're next

I don't see the 4th Amendment problem.  If it's not an improper search to have a live officer hit me with radar on a public street, it's not going to be if a camera does it.

As for the 6th Amendment, it's the right to face your witnesses, which you have as you can contest both the validity of the photo/camera/operators in court.

I"m not sure there's any Constitutional violation.  However, I get your creep/force multiplier concern.  Perhaps not good public policy from that standpoint.  I'll have to think on it a bit more (for my own opinion) but definitely something to keep in mind.

Thanks!


Well would it be a 4th amendment thing if there was a camera right next to every house, so you would be ticketed for not wearing your seatbelt when you pulled the car into the garage after washing it in your driveway? Or every 50 feet along the road, so you would be ticketed for an improper lane change if you were a half-second late putting on your turn signals?

The technology makes it far too easy to implement a Demolition Man-style 'benevolent dictatorship'.
 
2013-11-20 03:57:48 PM
What would be funny would be if someone bought a super cheap media player, something that couldn't be traced back of course, put some videos on it, then place it in front of the camera and let them enjoy a couple of movies.

If possible, using a solar panel to keep it powered for a while.
 
2013-11-20 04:08:23 PM
The swastikas aren't necessarily religious slurs in this case.  The Nazis did do things other than fark with the Jews, y'know... they were also a famously fascist police state.  Which is kind of the way automated traffic cameras trend, so that's probably what the reference here is.  I doubt the vandal is trying to tell us that Jews are watching you speed.
 
2013-11-20 04:14:14 PM

Dr Jack Badofsky: how thrilled would you be to get a ticket for 110mph in a 45 zone with no way of discussing the matter before a trial?


I probably would be happier with that than one for doing 60. It's the same cost to me, but I'm way more likely to be able to convince a judge I probably wasn't doing 110. In MD, which is where this article is from, the ticket doesn't care if you are going 60 or 600. The fine is still $40 and you get no points.

kzspam: How does this "cop signing the ticket" know that I am the person driving the vehicle???


They don't. They will ask you to rat out whoever was, though. They probably won't buy that someone stole your car, got a camera ticket, and returned it.
 
2013-11-20 04:21:23 PM

thurstonxhowell: Dr Jack Badofsky: how thrilled would you be to get a ticket for 110mph in a 45 zone \
kzspam: How does this "cop signing the ticket" know that I am the person driving the vehicle???

They don't. They will ask you to rat out whoever was, though. They probably won't buy that someone stole your car, got a camera ticket, and returned it.


This is one of my biggest problems with ticket cameras.  I am presumed guilty, until I can prove my innocence.  By naming names.  Cause that's not fascist or anything.
 
2013-11-20 04:27:04 PM
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2013-11-20 04:41:16 PM
Painting the sign is destruction of property and vandalism.

Just spike this in the ground in front of it

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2013-11-20 04:43:29 PM
Or if you want to be a bit more discreet about it

img.diynetwork.com
 
2013-11-20 04:45:59 PM

ToastmasterGeneral: Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding.

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There are areas near me where the speed limit changes 5 times in less than a mile.  The cops go hang out in those areas when they are short their quota.  Has nothing to do with protecting and serving their community, just need to make the quota so they go to where it is easy to catch people going 5 miles an hour over.  The speed limit varies from 35 to 50 on that road, but as soon as it hits the county line it goes up to 60.


ToastmasterGeneral: But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop? If yes, why? If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?"



A live police officer is able to use common sense in regards to whom and when they issue a ticket.  A speed camera cannot.   Can you imagine a judge being replaced with a computer program that looked at the evidence and issued a judgment based on it's programing and not based on its years of experience?

Police officers will often take a very long time issuing tickets in areas prone to speeding and accidents so that people can see he is enforcing the speed limit, which slows people down.  In areas where it is just easy to write a ticket they'll have it done in under five minutes and be off on the next car.   The question is are these speed cameras at spots where it is just easy to write tickets or are these areas where they are actually needed to save lives?
 
2013-11-20 04:49:47 PM

imfallen_angel: What would be funny would be if someone bought a super cheap media player, something that couldn't be traced back of course, put some videos on it, then place it in front of the camera and let them enjoy a couple of movies.

If possible, using a solar panel to keep it powered for a while.


As long as it plays Cannonball Run.
 
2013-11-20 05:03:57 PM

Jeng: ToastmasterGeneral: Whether or not the motivation is revenue, if I'm speeding, I'm speeding."


There are areas near me where the speed limit changes 5 times in less than a mile.  The cops go hang out in those areas when they are short their quota.  Has nothing to do with protecting and serving their community, just need to make the quota so they go to where it is easy to catch people going 5 miles an hour over.  The speed limit varies from 35 to 50 on that road, but as soon as it hits the county line it goes up to 60.


ToastmasterGeneral: But otherwise, is a speed camera any worse than an intersection constantly manned by a live cop? If yes, why? If not, then isn't the real argument on whether we should ever ticket for speeding or not?"


A live police officer is able to use common sense in regards to whom and when they issue a ticket.  A speed camera cannot.   Can you imagine a judge being replaced with a computer program that looked at the evidence and issued a judgment based on it's programing and not based on its years of experience?

Police officers will often take a very long time issuing tickets in areas prone to speeding and accidents so that people can see he is enforcing the speed limit, which slows people down.  In areas where it is just easy to write a ticket they'll have it done in under five minutes and be off on the next car.   The question is are these speed cameras at spots where it is just easy to write tickets or are these areas where they are actually needed to save lives?


Also, this.
 
2013-11-20 05:04:06 PM

ReverendJynxed: imfallen_angel: What would be funny would be if someone bought a super cheap media player, something that couldn't be traced back of course, put some videos on it, then place it in front of the camera and let them enjoy a couple of movies.

If possible, using a solar panel to keep it powered for a while.

As long as it plays Cannonball Run.

"


Wouldn't a previously recorded day in loop be less noticeable and thus being more effective?
 
2013-11-20 05:09:58 PM

Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on

Führer Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.

Jesus what is with you people from that area and Nazi shiat?
 
2013-11-20 08:38:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: Well everyone knows the quickest way to get something fixed is to spray paint nazi symbols on it. It's how I get potholes fixed around my neighborhood.

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I agree. Works like a charm. Finally, the Nazis can do some good.
 
2013-11-20 10:21:31 PM
 Swastikas have also been used in various other ancient civilizations around the world including Turkic,  ,,,,, and. It remains widely used in, specifically in,, and, primarily as a symbol to evoke or the sacred symbol of auspiciousness. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" (meaning "good" or "auspicious") combined with "asti" (meaning "it is"), along with the diminutive suffix "ka." The swastika literally means "it is good." The name "" is sometimes given to the left-facing arms symbol, which is a mirror image of swastika ()

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2013-11-20 10:31:12 PM

HAMMERTOE: My thoughts: use something not quite as obtrusive as paint. Something which will neutralize the camera's ability to generate photographic evidence, yet not be as visibly evident. It could be as easy as paint balls filled with egg whites. All you have to do is make the glass go from transparent to slightly translucent. Just a little cloudy, and you've thrown a spanner in the cogs.


HF
 
2013-11-20 11:00:22 PM

jnapier: Swastikas have also been used in various other ancient civilizations around the world including Turkic,  ,,,,, and. It remains widely used in, specifically in,, and, primarily as a symbol to evoke or the sacred symbol of auspiciousness. The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" (meaning "good" or "auspicious") combined with "asti" (meaning "it is"), along with the diminutive suffix "ka." The swastika literally means "it is good." The name "" is sometimes given to the left-facing arms symbol, which is a mirror image of swastika ()

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That's neat. What do you think the chance is that this usage of the swastika wasn't about the Nazis? If you answer anything other than "no chance", you're either lying or an idiot.
 
2013-11-21 12:19:08 PM

twiztedjustin: Tricky Chicken: groppet: I live down the road from whre this happend. It is very easy to go real fast on that road. It wasnt me though, honest I was at home.

Montgomery County Represent!  These tickets are only like $40.  At least the one I got on Führer Hurley Blvd was $40.  Really not worth risking jail time.

Jesus what is with you people from that area and Nazi shiat?


Wow, what an improbable misspelling of Father.
 
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