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2013-11-20 02:27:02 PM

whidbey: FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Strawman much?

Pray tell us what else do you know about "liberals?"


Sure.

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"A liberal is someone who leaves the room when a fight breaks out."

--Big Bill Haywood, IWW
 
2013-11-20 02:28:54 PM

FarkedOver: Rwa2play: FarkedOver: Rwa2play: Well it seems that either Libertarianism says nothing about it or I forgot the passage regarding human nature. It seems that whenever Libertarianism says one thing, reality biatch-slaps it and is stunned to find out it can't doing anything to counter the biatch slap.

I think lots of Libertarians believe in Praxeology.... which was pioneered by a bunch of fascist sympathizers and flat out racists.  (i.e. Mises and Rothbard).

/looks up Praxeology

So...is it wrong for me to surmise that Praxeology was trying to predict human action based on a set of circumstances?  Because if that's the case, we would've been farked as a culture had we followed through with such a thing. :)

It's pseudo-science more or less.  They attempt to apply it to economics for the most part and in doing so make some pretty vile judgements on different races.

Ahhh the austrian school of economics a bunch of proto-fascists


It absolutely is pseudo-science, it also happens to be pseudo-science in the same spirit as fusing dogmatic belief in economic determinism with the Hegelian dialectic to predict the end of history.
 
2013-11-20 02:29:42 PM

FarkedOver: Rwa2play: FarkedOver: Rwa2play: Well it seems that either Libertarianism says nothing about it or I forgot the passage regarding human nature. It seems that whenever Libertarianism says one thing, reality biatch-slaps it and is stunned to find out it can't doing anything to counter the biatch slap.

I think lots of Libertarians believe in Praxeology.... which was pioneered by a bunch of fascist sympathizers and flat out racists.  (i.e. Mises and Rothbard).

/looks up Praxeology

So...is it wrong for me to surmise that Praxeology was trying to predict human action based on a set of circumstances?  Because if that's the case, we would've been farked as a culture had we followed through with such a thing. :)

It's pseudo-science more or less.


Ah yes, I understand that level of junk science quite well.

They attempt to apply it to economics for the most part and in doing so make some pretty vile judgements on different races.

Ahhh the austrian school of economics a bunch of proto-fascists


My apologies for the earlier outburst.  Have you favorited as "A cool Marxist"
 
2013-11-20 02:29:48 PM

Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....


Most "socially liberal" people are pro-union. Maybe you meant to use some other words?
 
2013-11-20 02:30:32 PM

Egoy3k: The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker. They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.


Average union worker is 20 something white and college educated?

Well, 1 out of 3 isn't bad I suppose.  I'm guessing "white" might be correct.

Oops   Looks like 0 out of 3.

I am sure I will take your infromed opinion with the degree of gravity it so obviously deserves.
 
2013-11-20 02:31:00 PM

Rwa2play: FarkedOver: Rwa2play: FarkedOver: Rwa2play: Well it seems that either Libertarianism says nothing about it or I forgot the passage regarding human nature. It seems that whenever Libertarianism says one thing, reality biatch-slaps it and is stunned to find out it can't doing anything to counter the biatch slap.

I think lots of Libertarians believe in Praxeology.... which was pioneered by a bunch of fascist sympathizers and flat out racists.  (i.e. Mises and Rothbard).

/looks up Praxeology

So...is it wrong for me to surmise that Praxeology was trying to predict human action based on a set of circumstances?  Because if that's the case, we would've been farked as a culture had we followed through with such a thing. :)

It's pseudo-science more or less.

Ah yes, I understand that level of junk science quite well.

They attempt to apply it to economics for the most part and in doing so make some pretty vile judgements on different races.

Ahhh the austrian school of economics a bunch of proto-fascists

My apologies for the earlier outburst.  Have you favorited as "A cool Marxist"


I have him tagged as "dirty filthy red son of a biatch Marxist. ". His words, not mine.
 
2013-11-20 02:32:01 PM

Evil High Priest: Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

Most "socially liberal" people are pro-union. Maybe you meant to use some other words?


I think those words were:  "I like to get high"
 
2013-11-20 02:32:13 PM

Evil High Priest: I have him tagged as "dirty filthy red son of a biatch Marxist. ". His words, not mine.


I stand by that statement.
 
2013-11-20 02:32:16 PM

DeArmondVI: It absolutely is pseudo-science, it also happens to be pseudo-science in the same spirit as fusing dogmatic belief in economic determinism with the Hegelian dialectic to predict the end of history.


Or Eugenics?

Evil High Priest: Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

Most "socially liberal" people are pro-union. Maybe you meant to use some other words?


I'm as pro-union as anyone; but...crap some unions are making it hard for people to defend them without some level of transparency.
 
2013-11-20 02:34:24 PM

InmanRoshi: Skleenar: Dog Welder: Wait, do you mean to tell me that states that actively tried to work with the law and expand the Medicare coverage are seeing massive enrollments, and states where the governors and state legislatures are actively trying to sabotage the law the people are having issues?  Color me shocked.

/"shocked" as a color is very similar to chartreuse.

Your premise is impossible because free market.  FREEE MARKET!!

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It's pretty remarkable at how inherently awful the free market is when it comes to healthcare.


What makes you think there is anything like a free market in health care or insurance in the US?
 
2013-11-20 02:34:41 PM

jltthorson: You mean like Democrat Detroit now.


Detroit has been run under a Consent Decree writen and implemented by the republican govenor for about 4 years now and a manager hand selected by the republican govenor.  Detroit's financial situation is 100% the result of republican governance.
 
2013-11-20 02:35:16 PM

Evil High Priest: I have him tagged as "dirty filthy red son of a biatch Marxist. ". His words, not mine.


FarkedOver: I stand by that statement.


XD

Well, in the words of St. Carlin "At least he's honest."
 
2013-11-20 02:36:43 PM

Rwa2play: DeArmondVI: It absolutely is pseudo-science, it also happens to be pseudo-science in the same spirit as fusing dogmatic belief in economic determinism with the Hegelian dialectic to predict the end of history.

Or Eugenics?

Evil High Priest: Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

Most "socially liberal" people are pro-union. Maybe you meant to use some other words?

I'm as pro-union as anyone; but...crap some unions are making it hard for people to defend them without some level of transparency.


Modern unions are sad husks of what the labor movement used to be before they were essentially demolished in the 1930s. A great read on that history would be The Fall of the House of Labor by David Montgomery.
 
2013-11-20 02:36:57 PM

Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker.  They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.  Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month.

My employees get paid well over the median income in the area, work indoors in a clean well lit and temperature controlled environment.  They have excellent benefits and I'm a very easy going boss. As long as a request doesn't hurt my productivity I'm happy to grant it and if there is a good reason I'll take a hit in productivity to help them out because happy workers are productive workers and I'm a human being with a heart.  I work well over 40 hours a week and most of the extra time is making up for time lost dealing with stupid complaints and problems created by these people.  They are good honest people and most of them are hard workers, the problem is that even the best person in the world can turn into a complete asshole where there are zero repercussions for their actions.  The union has more money to take grievances to arbitration than the company due to the fact that their union represents huge numbers of employees across many industries so there basically are no repercussions short of the plant closing up and moving to china once it becomes too expensive to operate in North America.


What is insane about communism?  Anarchists, socialists at the end of the day want full communism.  What is it about communism that is truly insane?
 
2013-11-20 02:38:34 PM

Skleenar: Egoy3k: The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker. They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.

Average union worker is 20 something white and college educated?

Well, 1 out of 3 isn't bad I suppose.  I'm guessing "white" might be correct.

Oops   Looks like 0 out of 3.

I am sure I will take your infromed opinion with the degree of gravity it so obviously deserves.


No the people lauding unions are usually naive white 20 somthings.

Skleenar: I think those words were:  "I like to get high"


I like to get high, I don't care if two dudes or two ladies like to have sex with each other, I'm an atheist, I believe in socialized medicine, I care about the environment etc etc etc
 
2013-11-20 02:39:15 PM

Muta: jltthorson: You mean like Democrat Detroit now.

Detroit has been run under a Consent Decree writen and implemented by the republican govenor for about 4 years now and a manager hand selected by the republican govenor.  Detroit's financial situation is 100% the result of republican governance.


You are forgetting the ironclad law of American Partisan Culpability.  Good conditions are the direct result of the current GOP government or the legacy of the GOP government immediately preceding the current Democratic government.  Bad conditions are the direct result of the current Democratic government or the legacy of the Democratic government immediately preceding the current GOP government.

ALWAYS.
 
2013-11-20 02:41:17 PM

Egoy3k: No the people lauding unions are usually naive white 20 somthings.


Then why did you follow that statement with this:
" Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month. "

It sure seems to imply that you were referring to union members, not people who laud union members.
 
2013-11-20 02:41:30 PM

FarkedOver: What is insane about communism?  Anarchists, socialists at the end of the day want full communism.  What is it about communism that is truly insane?


The part where we completely protect workers or people in general from the economic consequences of their actions.
 
2013-11-20 02:42:19 PM

Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane.... The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker.  They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.  Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month. My employees get paid well over the median income in the area, work indoors in a clean well lit and temperature controlled environment.  They have excellent benefits and I'm a very easy going boss. As long as a request doesn't hurt my productivity I'm happy to grant it and if there is a good reason I'll take a hit in productivity to help them out because happy workers are productive workers and I'm a human being with a heart.  I work well over 40 hours a week and most of the extra time is making up for time lost dealing with stupid complaints and problems created by these people.  They are good honest people and most of them are hard workers, the problem is that even the best person in the world can turn into a complete asshole where there are zero repercussions for their actions.  The union has more money to take grievances to arbitration than the company due to the fact that their union represents huge numbers of employees across many industries so there basically are no repercussions short of the plant closing up and moving to china once it becomes too expensive to operate in North America.


The bolded part is kinda why we need unions.
 
2013-11-20 02:43:24 PM

Egoy3k: FarkedOver: What is insane about communism?  Anarchists, socialists at the end of the day want full communism.  What is it about communism that is truly insane?

The part where we completely protect workers or people in general from the economic consequences of their actions.


So as it is now, corporations are protected from their own malfeasance and workers are subject to the consequences of a business's actions and their own.

So it is socialism for companies and capitalism for the workers.  Interesting.
 
2013-11-20 02:44:34 PM

Skleenar: Egoy3k: No the people lauding unions are usually naive white 20 somthings.

Then why did you follow that statement with this:
" Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month. "

It sure seems to imply that you were referring to union members, not people who laud union members.


Look i know i could have worded that a bit better but do you honestly not understand that paragraph or are you just being a complete farkwit?
 
2013-11-20 02:45:34 PM
 
2013-11-20 02:47:36 PM

Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker.  They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.  Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month.

My employees get paid well over the median income in the area, work indoors in a clean well lit and temperature controlled environment.  They have excellent benefits and I'm a very easy going boss. As long as a request doesn't hurt my productivity I'm happy to grant it and if there is a good reason I'll take a hit in productivity to help them out because happy workers are productive workers and I'm a human being with a heart.  I work well over 40 hours a week and most of the extra time is making up for time lost dealing with stupid complaints and problems created by these people.  They are good honest people and most of them are hard workers, the problem is that even the best person in the world can turn into a complete asshole where there are zero repercussions for their actions.  The union has more money to take grievances to arbitration than the company due to the fact that their union represents huge numbers of employees across many industries so there basically are no repercussions short of the plant closing up and moving to china once it becomes too expensive to operate in North America.


I work at a big three auto.  I've seen plenty of union folk.  You are clueless.
 
2013-11-20 02:49:36 PM

FarkedOver: Egoy3k: I'm about as socially liberal as it's possible to be but you communists are insane....

The people who laud unions and workers rights have never in their entire life actually encountered an actual union or actual worker.  They are usually 20 something, white, college educated and so naive that they make most 5 year old children look like cynical bastards.  Well that or they are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month.

My employees get paid well over the median income in the area, work indoors in a clean well lit and temperature controlled environment.  They have excellent benefits and I'm a very easy going boss. As long as a request doesn't hurt my productivity I'm happy to grant it and if there is a good reason I'll take a hit in productivity to help them out because happy workers are productive workers and I'm a human being with a heart.  I work well over 40 hours a week and most of the extra time is making up for time lost dealing with stupid complaints and problems created by these people.  They are good honest people and most of them are hard workers, the problem is that even the best person in the world can turn into a complete asshole where there are zero repercussions for their actions.  The union has more money to take grievances to arbitration than the company due to the fact that their union represents huge numbers of employees across many industries so there basically are no repercussions short of the plant closing up and moving to china once it becomes too expensive to operate in North America.

What is insane about communism?  Anarchists, socialists at the end of the day want full communism.  What is it about communism that is truly insane?


22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.
 
2013-11-20 02:49:53 PM

Egoy3k: Look i know i could have worded that a bit better but do you honestly not understand that paragraph or are you just being a complete farkwit?


Well, I guess I still don't really understand what you were getting at:  Maybe I'm not a complete farkwit, and you just didn't convey your meaning especially well.

Is this right:

People lauding Unions:
Never met an actual union or actual worker.
 are 20 something,
are white,
are college educated
are naive
are already bleeding their employer dry by sitting on their asses whining about the temperature of the coffee in the break room when their break ended 20 minutes ago and planning to strike over a 40 cent pay raise meanwhile thinking nothing about missing 2 or 3 days of work a month.


Are you trying to say that people who laud unions are either naive or actual members of unions?  Is that your point?
 
2013-11-20 02:50:37 PM

cman: 22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.


How many people have died as a direct result of capitalism?
 
2013-11-20 02:50:44 PM

FarkedOver: Egoy3k: FarkedOver: What is insane about communism?  Anarchists, socialists at the end of the day want full communism.  What is it about communism that is truly insane?

The part where we completely protect workers or people in general from the economic consequences of their actions.

So as it is now, corporations are protected from their own malfeasance and workers are subject to the consequences of a business's actions and their own.

So it is socialism for companies and capitalism for the workers.  Interesting.


Privatize the profit, socialize the losses.
 
2013-11-20 02:52:54 PM

FarkedOver: cman: 22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.

How many people have died as a direct result of capitalism?


Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot
 
2013-11-20 02:53:19 PM

someonelse: The bolded part is kinda why we need unions.


Bullshiat. As a manager if I knowingly create an unsafe condition where one of my employees gets hurt or dies I got to jail and my company is fined.  If I knowingly ignore an unsafe condition that might hurt somebody I can be personally fined and my company will also be fined.  if I refuse to hire someone based on their sex, race, creed, sexual orientation, or failing a pre-employment drug screening (yup if drug use is consistent with addiction that is now a disability and as an employer I am obliged to accommodate the disability if possible) They can sue my company and put me in front of a human rights tribunal that can fine me personally.  Just last year (not at my company) a man carved the names of three black employees into bananas and left them in the locker room to be discovered.  His employer, as i would, fired him on the spot.  The employer was subsequently sued and forced to re-hire this man.  Workers have no need of extra protection above and beyond what the government already gives them.
 
2013-11-20 02:54:54 PM

cman: Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.


Hmmm..

I'm not trying to feed the troll too much here, but it really seems there is a huge disparity between the experience in, say, Cambodia compared to Vietnam.

What is the border between "Socialism" and "Communism" in your view?  Is Sweden an authoritarian Police State?

What constitutes an authoritarian police state?  Does the US qualify?
 
2013-11-20 02:55:03 PM

Jackpot777: BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.

I believe the exact quote is: "Don't worry about purging fark of all these nate silver fellatio threads after Romney wins and his credibility is ruined. I already have screenprints ready to go."

I believe it's that because I have it on a screenprint.



He said lots of similar stupid shiat on multiple occasions:


SlothB77  [TotalFark]
2012-11-06 11:16:31 AM
can't wait for the romney victory so that Nate Silver is proven not credible and we don't have to hear about him anymore.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7419672/Does-what-you-earn-predict-your -v ote-Or-is-it-just-that-witch-Nate-Silver
 
2013-11-20 02:55:06 PM

Muta: I work at a big three auto.  I've seen plenty of union folk.  You are clueless.


I employ them, what makes your anecdotes better than mine?
 
2013-11-20 02:55:15 PM

cman: They all started out with good intentions


I'm not so sure about that.
 
2013-11-20 02:55:25 PM

cman: Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot


Unfortunately communists don't write the history books..... Capitalisms dirty tale is shrouded and it's death toll is at least triple that of "communist" regimes, that is if we apply the same rules that everyone else does to communist regimes.
 
2013-11-20 02:56:25 PM

cman: FarkedOver: cman: 22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.

How many people have died as a direct result of capitalism?

Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot


www.theintellectualdevotional.com
Well, of course not.  We just disappear them.
 
2013-11-20 02:57:09 PM

Egoy3k: Bullshiat. As a manager


Great, you also are a manager.  So then you know how it actually works.

Egoy3k: if I refuse to hire someone based on their sex, race, creed, sexual orientation, or failing a pre-employment drug screening (yup if drug use is consistent with addiction that is now a disability and as an employer I am obliged to accommodate the disability if possible)


Right.  But as a manager you also know there is zero chance whatsoever they'll ever prove that, unless of course you mail them a letter saying "you were the perfect candidate except your skin is black, so that is the only reason I turned you down," then you sign it, get it notarized and send it certified mail.
 
2013-11-20 02:58:07 PM

Skleenar: Well, of course not.  We just disappear them.


So dictatorships and one party rule are bad?
 
2013-11-20 03:01:03 PM

FarkedOver: cman: Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot

Unfortunately communists don't write the history books..... Capitalisms dirty tale is shrouded and it's death toll is at least triple that of "communist" regimes, that is if we apply the same rules that everyone else does to communist regimes.


Yeah, and 6 million Jews weren't killed in the Holocaust. Its all a Zionist conspiracy designed to steal water from the Jordan river.
 
2013-11-20 03:01:06 PM

jigger: cman: They all started out with good intentions

I'm not so sure about that.


Yeah Pol Pot's "regime" had nothing but bad intentions from the outset.
 
2013-11-20 03:01:41 PM

cman: FarkedOver: cman: 22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.

How many people have died as a direct result of capitalism?

Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot


Yeah, pure capitalist societies tend to let other things do the killing for them. Like preventable disease, starvation, desperation, and so on. 

And I hope you count America as an authoritarian police state. Sure, we aren't the genocidal type, but that's because we prefer to lock people up in staggering numbers instead. After all, if you just outright kill them, you can't profit off of them. And that's not even getting into the domestic spying, the militarization of the police, the tendency to let cops do whatever the fark they please while getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist...
 
2013-11-20 03:03:22 PM

jigger: Skleenar: Well, of course not.  We just disappear them.

So dictatorships and one party rule are bad?


I would concur that is most often the case.
 
2013-11-20 03:03:42 PM

LordJiro: cman: FarkedOver: cman: 22 million Russians (not counting Soviets killed by Nazis or during the Great Terror) would have a talk with you on why Communism is terrible.

Every country that has tried Communism has turned into an authoritarian police state.

Every single one of them

They all started out with good intentions, then misery and death happened on a scale that makes robber barons look like angels.

How many people have died as a direct result of capitalism?

Dunno

Unlike Communism, they don't tend to put people in pits and fill them with holes, then fill out a card stating how many people they shot

Yeah, pure capitalist societies tend to let other things do the killing for them. Like preventable disease, starvation, desperation, and so on.
And I hope you count America as an authoritarian police state. Sure, we aren't the genocidal type, but that's because we prefer to lock people up in staggering numbers instead. After all, if you just outright kill them, you can't profit off of them. And that's not even getting into the domestic spying, the militarization of the police, the tendency to let cops do whatever the fark they please while getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist...


I agree.

We have no problems letting other people die.

We don't care.

Indifference happens in capitalism

It also happens in a barter economy, too.
 
2013-11-20 03:03:59 PM

Rwa2play: jigger: cman: They all started out with good intentions

I'm not so sure about that.

Yeah Pol Pot's "regime" had nothing but bad intentions from the outset.


Good thing the Socialist Republic of Vietnam actually intervened and removed the Khmer Rogue from Cambodia.
 
2013-11-20 03:05:20 PM

cman: Yeah, and 6 million Jews weren't killed in the Holocaust. Its all a Zionist conspiracy designed to steal water from the Jordan river.


6 million jews as well as others who were throw in concentration camps (communists, socialists, gypsies et al.) I would chalk up to fascism which is a subset of capitalism.... it's just capitalism in decay.
 
2013-11-20 03:06:05 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Heliovdrake: Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Wanna bet?

I, too, will take that bet.

By Ayn Rand's mighty pen, sign me up for this bet as well.

500 Quatloos against the sloth like one.

All Fark bets must be made in gold-pressed latinum.  Your quatloos are no good here, buddy.



I contacted a few online odds makers (Vegas and the UK) about a week ago and tried to place a bet that Obama care would NOT be repealed. No one would take my money.

If the people who will give me 500/1 that Chelsea Clinton will be the next president won't touch this one then Obamacare is truly a toxic asset.
 
2013-11-20 03:07:17 PM

FarkedOver: Rwa2play: jigger: cman: They all started out with good intentions

I'm not so sure about that.

Yeah Pol Pot's "regime" had nothing but bad intentions from the outset.

Good thing the Socialist Republic of Vietnam actually intervened and removed the Khmer Rogue from Cambodia.


North Vietnam assassinated families of South Vietnam's government. Not just politicians, but also police. Anyone that had any association with the southern Government was fair game. Didn't matter if they were just a 3 year old kid who's dad was a peace officer.
 
2013-11-20 03:07:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tbeatty: People are getting excited about a total enrollment of 90,000 people in California?  Really?  That's about as many sneak across the border.

Let's see, there's 40 million people in California.  90 thousand signed up.  That's about 0.2%.  So 99.8% of the people of California don't have Obamacare.  And that's a "working state."

What do you think Obamacare IS exactly?


There were 1 million  ACA related cancellations sent out.  The state run California insurance marketplace allowed under Obamacare signed up about 10% of the cancellations (assuming all the cancellations are the signups, which probably isn't the case so even more are uninsured) and 0.2% of the entire population.  And to subby, that means "people are getting insured."  What do YOU think it is, exactly?
 
2013-11-20 03:07:41 PM
The victims of capitalism? Everyone on the planet who likes to breathe air, drink water and eat food. Do all of these people enjoy the benefits of capitalism? Of course not. Pollution and environmental degradation are merely the collateral damage we accept so that the rich can continue to get richer.
 
2013-11-20 03:09:01 PM

BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.


www.neogeoforlife.com

/those who forget history, etc., etc.
 
2013-11-20 03:10:02 PM

FarkedOver: Good thing the Socialist Republic of Vietnam actually intervened and removed the Khmer Rogue from Cambodia.


I'll just say this about it:  That was one of the most stupid and funny things I have ever read in world history.

So this new republic of Cambodia, established by the Khmer Rouge, essentially becomes a dystopic wasteland that would resemble today's North Korea.

They decide to fark with Vietnam; Vietnam decides "I've had enough of this shiat", declares war, kicks the Khmer Rouge's ass and ejects them from Cambodia....

Yet the US demonizes them for it.

Like I said:  Stupid because the US (and other nations) condemned Vietnam for it.  Funny but it was Vietnam ejecting a regime that even they couldn't stand the sight of..
 
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