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2013-11-20 11:56:19 AM  

llortcM_yllort: Felgraf: llortcM_yllort: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.

Your username is not nearly as clever as you think it is, Alucard.

I'm too lazy to make a new user.  Do you disagree with what I said?  Why or why not?


Whether I agree or disagree is immaterial. Your username basically says "I am a troll", so why should I waste my breath actually discussing with you? Why should I believe you'll bother to respond in good faith?

Also, wait. Why do you specify 'democrats' in the second paragraph? I thought you were asking for accomplishments made by *LIBERALS* (which th epeople pushing for gay rights most *Certainly* are), not by *DEMOCRATS*.
 
2013-11-20 11:56:24 AM  

FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.


Which stands in stark contrast to conservatives, who actively opposed civil rights, often to the point of state-sanctioned violence.
 
2013-11-20 11:57:17 AM  

Rhino_man: He's the one who pushed for a Bill of Rights in the first place.  The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s wanted that Bill of Rights extended to cover everyone regardless of color, but that doesn't mean that Jefferson wasn't deeply involved in its creation.


Yes, Jefferson believe that all men were created equal .... except for women, slaves, Native Americans, and non land owning males.    He believed in limiting the powers of federal government, until he became President and worked tirelessly to expand federal powers.   He was a huge fan of the French Revolution and spent no small amount of time waxing poetic about how the European aristrocracy are going to have to learn how to divide up the spoils with the lower classes, but he certainly never concerned himself much with divvying up the spoils of Montecello (not that there were much spoils to divide up after his frivolous spending habits drove it into bankruptcy)  .

Jefferson was massive hypocritical blowhard who generally only  loved the sound of his own voice and his own sense of self importance.    He believed in almost anything and everything, and took every stance on all issues depending where his self interests laid on a particular day.
 
2013-11-20 11:57:32 AM  

FarkedOver: Fart_Machine: Radicals tend to alienate the public. I'm more inclined to listen to you if you engage a dialogue rather than smashing up a storefront or setting things on fire.

Radicals of 60s civil rights movement alienated people because most people were still racist assholes.  In the face of police brutality and stereotyping black men legally armed themselves, as is the case with the black panthers.  That was radical.  Was it wrong? HELL NO.  But a liberal would have told them "just wait.... we'll get there in small steps!"


A liberal did. You might have heard of MLK.
 
2013-11-20 11:57:57 AM  

FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.


Are you gonna tell me that MLK was a Communist?

Please don't perpetuate that crap.
 
2013-11-20 11:59:03 AM  

Somacandra: I notice you don't have any actual evidence to support this mere conjecture.


Ask one of the many anarchists here if they participate in capitalist elections.  The CPUSA does actively endorse and support democrats (to their detriment), but most Marxist organization will not vote for anyone but a socialist and even that is iffy because of all the sectarianism among socialist.  I'm just assuming the Black Panther Party didn't actively participate in elections as they were a revolutionary Maoist organization.
 
2013-11-20 11:59:39 AM  

FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.


Wait, I didn't realize civil rights was an all-or-nothing proposition?
 
2013-11-20 11:59:56 AM  

FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.


Since every single each liberal didn't singlehandledy free all the slaves, both sides are bad and liberals have to admit they are the real racists and can never be for equality.
 
2013-11-20 12:00:13 PM  

Fart_Machine: A liberal did. You might have heard of MLK.


His kid was a bit of a dreamer, too.
 
2013-11-20 12:00:34 PM  
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2013-11-20 12:01:09 PM  

FarkedOver: Somacandra: I notice you don't have any actual evidence to support this mere conjecture.

Ask one of the many anarchists here if they participate in capitalist elections.  The CPUSA does actively endorse and support democrats (to their detriment), but most Marxist organization will not vote for anyone but a socialist and even that is iffy because of all the sectarianism among socialist.  I'm just assuming the Black Panther Party didn't actively participate in elections as they were a revolutionary Maoist organization.


And yet you still posit that they had more to do with civil rights than liberals in government. Because you are lazy and hold beliefs that will not change despite all available evidence.
 
2013-11-20 12:01:27 PM  

Fart_Machine: FarkedOver: Fart_Machine: Radicals tend to alienate the public. I'm more inclined to listen to you if you engage a dialogue rather than smashing up a storefront or setting things on fire.

Radicals of 60s civil rights movement alienated people because most people were still racist assholes.  In the face of police brutality and stereotyping black men legally armed themselves, as is the case with the black panthers.  That was radical.  Was it wrong? HELL NO.  But a liberal would have told them "just wait.... we'll get there in small steps!"

A liberal did. You might have heard of MLK.


Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.
 
2013-11-20 12:02:16 PM  

Esc7: FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.

Since every single each liberal didn't singlehandledy free all the slaves, both sides are bad and liberals have to admit they are the real racists and can never be for equality.


And/or apparently that's the same as "doing nothing." Somehow.
 
2013-11-20 12:03:00 PM  

FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.


Apparently, according to you, Malcolm X was a liberal, because all he did was give speeches and "pay lip service" to it.
 
2013-11-20 12:03:30 PM  

FarkedOver: Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?

So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.


That is not at all what I said, dingus. Just because a new statute doesn't do everything does not automatically exclude that it does nothing. Legal gains are tremendously important. Just look at what has happened since SCOTUS voided the preclearance formula to the Voting Rights Act.
 
2013-11-20 12:03:59 PM  

FarkedOver: Rhino_man: That's great, but you asked for liberals who bestowed rights upon you. Unless you're a French citizen, I'm going to go with "no" on that one.

/Babeuf was an awesome muhfugga, though.

I think Jefferson would be the first say he didn't bestow shiat on anyone and that I was born free (offer not applicable to people of color).


Seriously?  You go into semantics rather than acknowledging that somebody you don't like had a hand in implementing a law that guarantees your rights?
 
2013-11-20 12:04:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.

Apparently, according to you, Malcolm X was a liberal, because all he did was give speeches and "pay lip service" to it.


Yeah he was never arrested or anything like that.  Silly me.
 
2013-11-20 12:04:40 PM  

Tricky Chicken: oooohhh

Liberals crying about the press?

Liberal tears are soooo sweet.


Let me guess.  In your world the media is liberal and in the tank for all things Obama, right?
Remember in 2012 when the liberal media was skewing the polls to show a big win for Obama?  Well, Romney's landslide win sure showed them!

What else is it like in your world?  Are minorities out to get you?  Is there a war on Christmas?   Is the IRS robbing you at gunpoint?
 
2013-11-20 12:04:47 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.

Apparently, according to you, Malcolm X was a liberal, because all he did was give speeches and "pay lip service" to it.

Yeah he was never arrested or anything like that.  Silly me.


How does being arrested pass the civil rights act?
 
2013-11-20 12:05:02 PM  

Rhino_man: FarkedOver: Rhino_man: That's great, but you asked for liberals who bestowed rights upon you. Unless you're a French citizen, I'm going to go with "no" on that one.

/Babeuf was an awesome muhfugga, though.

I think Jefferson would be the first say he didn't bestow shiat on anyone and that I was born free (offer not applicable to people of color).

Seriously?  You go into semantics rather than acknowledging that somebody you don't like had a hand in implementing a law that guarantees your rights?


No, I'm just stating what he himself stated.
 
2013-11-20 12:06:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.

Apparently, according to you, Malcolm X was a liberal, because all he did was give speeches and "pay lip service" to it.

Yeah he was never arrested or anything like that.  Silly me.

How does being arrested pass the civil rights act?


How does passing the civil rights give you civil rights?
 
2013-11-20 12:06:03 PM  

FarkedOver: Rhino_man: FarkedOver: Rhino_man: That's great, but you asked for liberals who bestowed rights upon you. Unless you're a French citizen, I'm going to go with "no" on that one.

/Babeuf was an awesome muhfugga, though.

I think Jefferson would be the first say he didn't bestow shiat on anyone and that I was born free (offer not applicable to people of color).

Seriously?  You go into semantics rather than acknowledging that somebody you don't like had a hand in implementing a law that guarantees your rights?

No, I'm just stating what he himself stated.


If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?
 
2013-11-20 12:06:22 PM  

FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.  Liberals need to go to the left and start actually doing shiat instead of just griping and biatching about conservatives and the GOP.


What? What policy has the GOP ever initiated besides the Iraq war? I will tell you. It would be Eienhower's interstate highway initiative.
 
2013-11-20 12:06:45 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.

Apparently, according to you, Malcolm X was a liberal, because all he did was give speeches and "pay lip service" to it.

Yeah he was never arrested or anything like that.  Silly me.

How does being arrested pass the civil rights act?

How does passing the civil rights give you civil rights?


You're kidding, right? You're asking how a law guarantees civil rights?
 
2013-11-20 12:07:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?


It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.
 
2013-11-20 12:08:54 PM  

Kevin72: What? What policy has the GOP ever initiated besides the Iraq war? I will tell you. It would be Eienhower's interstate highway initiative.


Why do I give a shiat about what the GOP did or didn't do? This is not relevant.
 
2013-11-20 12:09:00 PM  

coyo: Tricky Chicken: Dog Welder: Wait, do you mean to tell me that states that actively tried to work with the law and expand the Medicare coverage are seeing massive enrollments, and states where the governors and state legislatures are actively trying to sabotage the law the people are having issues?  Color me shocked.

/"shocked" as a color is very similar to chartreuse.

Yes, the republican governors were particularly brilliant weren't they?  Expand medicare and run your own exchange and shoulder some of the expense, or just let the federal government handle their own law themselves and not risk taking on any of the expense.  Tough choice.

The smart ones are letting the Feds take all the risk.  As the costs skyrocket, their budgets won't take a hit.  Been nice knowing ya California!

I guess I see that and translate it to "Yay, people are going to suffer and die. I have mine and my team is going to win!"


Wow, that is what you got?  I was going for more of a 'this was your law, you wanted it, you pay for it and run it.  We don't think we can afford it.'  But I've been pretty consistent with my support of single payer, so which side would that be?  Because that side isn't going to win anytime soon.  At least not until ACA gets blown up (more terrist imagery).
 
2013-11-20 12:09:19 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.


Isn't it?
 
2013-11-20 12:09:20 PM  

InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.


Sure, but it's nothing compared to the sweetness of holding a gun in your hands.
 
2013-11-20 12:09:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.

Isn't it?


No.
 
2013-11-20 12:09:56 PM  
cameroncrazy1984, I love you like a brother, seeing as you are another long-suffering Buffalo fan, but come on man, stop feeding the troll.
 
2013-11-20 12:10:25 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.


I think I already know the answer to this question but it will be fun just the same....

What stands between you and bondage then if not for the same parchment?
 
2013-11-20 12:10:59 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.


No, what stands between me and bondage is a collaboration of three organizations that have a monopoly on the use of force within the lands where I live.  That organization would be the United States Government, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the Prince William County Government.  The way that those organizations are structured is centered around a piece of parchment, which was written largely to the standards proposed by Thomas Jefferson.
 
2013-11-20 12:11:08 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.

Isn't it?

No.


So what you're saying is that a Constitution is not necessary, at all. And nor are laws? Is that what you're saying? Because you're going against some pretty smart people when you say things like that.
 
2013-11-20 12:11:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Isn't it?


He's the exception. He could totally manage on his own if the government would just get out of his way.
 
2013-11-20 12:11:35 PM  

mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.  Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]


Is that Darryl Hammond impersonating Chris Matthews?
 
2013-11-20 12:11:45 PM  

RangerTaylor: cameroncrazy1984, I love you like a brother, seeing as you are another long-suffering Buffalo fan, but come on man, stop feeding the troll.


He's no troll

He believes in what he says.

Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't mean they are a troll
 
2013-11-20 12:11:51 PM  

RangerTaylor: cameroncrazy1984, I love you like a brother, seeing as you are another long-suffering Buffalo fan, but come on man, stop feeding the troll.


How am I trolling?  My position isn't ridiculous or far fetched.  Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.

Liberals will just codify into law what leftists fought for.  It's not an insane position or a troll position just because it is contrary to your opinion.
 
2013-11-20 12:12:55 PM  

FarkedOver: Fart_Machine: FarkedOver: Fart_Machine: Radicals tend to alienate the public. I'm more inclined to listen to you if you engage a dialogue rather than smashing up a storefront or setting things on fire.

Radicals of 60s civil rights movement alienated people because most people were still racist assholes.  In the face of police brutality and stereotyping black men legally armed themselves, as is the case with the black panthers.  That was radical.  Was it wrong? HELL NO.  But a liberal would have told them "just wait.... we'll get there in small steps!"

A liberal did. You might have heard of MLK.

Read up on his views of capitalism.  They're not that mainstream.  He had rather radical views.  Liberals typically don't like glorify MLK's anti-capitalist stance.

Plus I think Malcolm X was ten times more the speaker and advocate for change than MLK ever could be.  MLK is a nice alternative to white people who scare easy.


Um I think you're confused here. Liberals have always acknowledged King's views on social justice and the Vietnam War. It's only been recently that conservative pundits started claiming he was one of their own based on the Dream speech.

But I'm sure moderate white voters would have rallied behind Civil Rights legislation fronted by a man who referred to them as devils.
 
2013-11-20 12:13:30 PM  

FarkedOver: Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.


What's funny is that you don't consider "voting" to be the greatest action you can take. You get to foment a revolution every 4 years. What could be a better action than that?

Or did you think that all you had to do was get arrested a few times and people would magically see it your way?
 
2013-11-20 12:13:37 PM  

Rhino_man: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.

No, what stands between me and bondage is a collaboration of three organizations that have a monopoly on the use of force within the lands where I live.  That organization would be the United States Government, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the Prince William County Government.  The way that those organizations are structured is centered around a piece of parchment, which was written largely to the standards proposed by Thomas Jefferson.


And Wallstreet, and church, and clubs.

You would be surprised when you step back and actually realize that there is very powerful leadership outside of the government.
 
2013-11-20 12:14:04 PM  

FarkedOver: RangerTaylor: cameroncrazy1984, I love you like a brother, seeing as you are another long-suffering Buffalo fan, but come on man, stop feeding the troll.

How am I trolling?  My position isn't ridiculous or far fetched.  Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.

Liberals will just codify into law what leftists fought for.  It's not an insane position or a troll position just because it is contrary to your opinion.


Thank you!

/packs up briefcase
 
2013-11-20 12:14:11 PM  

FarkedOver: RangerTaylor: cameroncrazy1984, I love you like a brother, seeing as you are another long-suffering Buffalo fan, but come on man, stop feeding the troll.

How am I trolling?  My position isn't ridiculous or far fetched.  Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.

Liberals will just codify into law what leftists fought for.  It's not an insane position or a troll position just because it is contrary to your opinion.


I'm sure all the people who are getting droned to death in Pakistan are really changing because of our actions.
 
2013-11-20 12:14:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Pretty soon the "liberal media" will find some other thing to obsess on, and we can get an idea how well the ACA is actually working.


Last I heard the site is stable enough to serve about 25K users simultaneously. Much better than before, but way below what's going to be needed in the late December and late March rushes when people who want/need coverage have to actually go do it.
 
2013-11-20 12:15:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.

What's funny is that you don't consider "voting" to be the greatest action you can take. You get to foment a revolution every 4 years. What could be a better action than that?

Or did you think that all you had to do was get arrested a few times and people would magically see it your way?


Yes we vote every 4 years for the lesser of two evils.  "It isn't the best system, but it's the only system we got!", right?
 
2013-11-20 12:16:24 PM  

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Liberals think voting is the end all and be all.  Real leftists know that real change comes from action.

What's funny is that you don't consider "voting" to be the greatest action you can take. You get to foment a revolution every 4 years. What could be a better action than that?

Or did you think that all you had to do was get arrested a few times and people would magically see it your way?

Yes we vote every 4 years for the lesser of two evils.  "It isn't the best system, but it's the only system we got!", right?


Who votes for the lesser of two evils? Not me, certainly. I vote for people who support a majority of my views. And they write things like the ACA and the Credit CARD act. You know, actual change.
 
2013-11-20 12:16:48 PM  

Serious Black: I'm sure all the people who are getting droned to death in Pakistan are really changing because of our actions.


That's what happens when all you have to choose from are two corporate parties.  People die in the name of profits.  Are we surprised by this?
 
2013-11-20 12:16:51 PM  

cman: Rhino_man: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: If you were born free, why do we need a Constitution guaranteeing certain rights?

It sad that you think that all that stands between you and bondage is a piece of parchment.

No, what stands between me and bondage is a collaboration of three organizations that have a monopoly on the use of force within the lands where I live.  That organization would be the United States Government, the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the Prince William County Government.  The way that those organizations are structured is centered around a piece of parchment, which was written largely to the standards proposed by Thomas Jefferson.

And Wallstreet, and church, and clubs.

You would be surprised when you step back and actually realize that there is very powerful leadership outside of the government.


The financial sector - which you refer to simply as "Wall Street" - was formed around the framework of laws passed by Congress, according to that piece of parchment.  Their only power is to bankrupt me, thus making me unable to continue paying the mortgage or taxes on my land, at which point I would be forcibly removed by THE GOVERNMENT.

Churches have no power over me except for their ability to enact a change in the law.  Still goes back to the government.

Clubs?  I don't even know what you're getting at here.
 
2013-11-20 12:17:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Who votes for the lesser of two evils? Not me, certainly. I vote for people who support a majority of my views. And they write things like the ACA and the Credit CARD act. You know, actual change.


I didn't know the Heritage Foundation was running for anything this year.
 
2013-11-20 12:17:33 PM  

Graffito: Tricky Chicken: oooohhh

Liberals crying about the press?

Liberal tears are soooo sweet.

Let me guess.  In your world the media is liberal and in the tank for all things Obama, right?
Remember in 2012 when the liberal media was skewing the polls to show a big win for Obama?  Well, Romney's landslide win sure showed them!

What else is it like in your world?  Are minorities out to get you?  Is there a war on Christmas?   Is the IRS robbing you at gunpoint?


Let me answer in order
1. Yes
2. No, I was prety sure he was gonna lose.
3. Fairly stable
4. Maybe a couple are, I can't be sure. But as a unified group, probably not.
5. No
6. Yes more or less. If there weren't consequences, I would'nt pay

But of course those were pissy snide questions that you weren't waiting for an answer to were you?  And of course you know my politics, and I'm clearly totally in the tank for the GOP on every issue lockstep.  I am on the talking points distro list too.
 
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