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2013-11-20 11:26:02 AM

Ned Stark: nunyadang: qorkfiend: nunyadang: Have any commenters read the article, or did you all just set phasers to derp and come out blasting?

You must be new here.

I have been here long enough to know that many farkers have strong opinions, but many also have poor reading comprehension, or just read a misleading headline and start commenting

Left Wing Derp, or Right Wing Derp is still Derp people.

Left wing derp is derp. Right wing derp is national policy.


You have been blinded by the derp.

Derp is Derp yo.
 
2013-11-20 11:26:38 AM

mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.   Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]


It's hard to tell who a male politician is from a picture of him unless that picture has him sucking a dick. So to answer your question, no, I do not.
 
2013-11-20 11:28:23 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: No.  I think the real people that have effected change in this country have been radicals.

Please see the CP, IWW, Black Panthers etc.

I don't sit here and pretend a liberal fought for any persons rights.  They paid lip service.  Real change was won by real leftists.

Whom are, by and large...liberal anti-capitalists like communists, socialists, anarchists, etc. Right?

There now that makes much more sense.


You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.
 
Bf+
2013-11-20 11:28:27 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Riiiighhhhttt that was all liberals.... Keep believing that.

You think conservatives support change?

LOL

This is a problem in this country.  You can only be seen as a conservative or a liberal.  Fark that shiat.



[NathanFillionSpeechlessAnimated.gif]
 
2013-11-20 11:28:50 AM

FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.


"Conservatism" is nothing but be pissed off at made-up shiat politics.
 
2013-11-20 11:28:53 AM

Serious Black: mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.   Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]

It's hard to tell who a male politician is from a picture of him unless that picture has him sucking a dick. So to answer your question, no, I do not.


He's the previous mayor of Toronto which I assume had equal coverage on CNN as the current mayor.  Media likes drama, conflict, and a train wreck.  That is why Obamacare is Obama's Katrina x Benghazi.
 
2013-11-20 11:29:02 AM

mrshowrules: m


The sign behind him leads me to guess:
Former mayor of Toronto?
 
2013-11-20 11:30:59 AM
Subby, not only are Americans getting insured, they're getting health care while not being separated from their cash at alarming rates.

Much to the dismay of Republicans and shareholders in insurance companies.
 
2013-11-20 11:31:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.


Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?
 
2013-11-20 11:33:53 AM

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: No.  I think the real people that have effected change in this country have been radicals.

Please see the CP, IWW, Black Panthers etc.

I don't sit here and pretend a liberal fought for any persons rights.  They paid lip service.  Real change was won by real leftists.

Whom are, by and large...liberal anti-capitalists like communists, socialists, anarchists, etc. Right?

There now that makes much more sense.

You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.


There were those elements in the Civil Rights movement but it worked due to working within the system, passive resistance, and engaging the public.

Radicals tend to alienate the public. I'm more inclined to listen to you if you engage a dialogue rather than smashing up a storefront or setting things on fire.
 
2013-11-20 11:36:02 AM

mrshowrules: cameroncrazy1984: I think  FarkedOver may be conflating "liberal" with "centrist democrat"

If a Conservative was ever confronted with an actual Liberal, they might shiat their pants and go into a grand-mal seizure


But I was told that a Liberal is anyone who is not a Tea Party Republican.
 
2013-11-20 11:36:10 AM

Felgraf: mrshowrules: m

The sign behind him leads me to guess:
Former mayor of Toronto?


Yes.  I am trying to show that news is more entertainment than anything else.  When CNN news focuses on Rob Ford more than even Canadian National news does, you have to ask yourselves where their priorities are.
 
2013-11-20 11:36:55 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?


Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
 
2013-11-20 11:38:48 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think conservatives support change?

LOL

No.  I think the real people that have effected change in this country have been radicals.

Please see the CP, IWW, Black Panthers etc.

I don't sit here and pretend a liberal fought for any persons rights.  They paid lip service.  Real change was won by real leftists.


No true liberal, then?
 
2013-11-20 11:39:23 AM

Fart_Machine: Radicals tend to alienate the public. I'm more inclined to listen to you if you engage a dialogue rather than smashing up a storefront or setting things on fire.


Radicals of 60s civil rights movement alienated people because most people were still racist assholes.  In the face of police brutality and stereotyping black men legally armed themselves, as is the case with the black panthers.  That was radical.  Was it wrong? HELL NO.  But a liberal would have told them "just wait.... we'll get there in small steps!"
 
2013-11-20 11:39:56 AM

mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.  Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]


I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that it's Tornto's Deputy Mayor, Norm Kelly (no, I don't know what Norm Kelly looks like... so I'm probably wrong)
 
2013-11-20 11:40:26 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Subby, not only are Americans getting insured, they're getting health care while not being separated from their cash at alarming rates.

Much to the dismay of Republicans and shareholders in insurance companies.


That is why they fight so much. It's hard to take this away once people like it. Everyone has or knows a granny.

I see some farkers here cheer the fact that it is difficult to get everyone health care and these farkers hope that people remain uninsured.

Personally I had a friend die recently. He was on his early 60s, still working and not able to afford health care. His widow said he was waiting to get into the exchanges due to his heart condition. This story touched me personally, so no, I am not going to give an inch to people who are extatic that the ACA is having problems and who hope it goes away lest people without means get care.
 
2013-11-20 11:41:20 AM

InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.


Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.
 
2013-11-20 11:42:25 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.
 
2013-11-20 11:42:26 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?


Well, if you want to do it in chronological order, you can start with this guy:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-20 11:42:49 AM

llortcM_yllort: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.


Your username is not nearly as clever as you think it is, Alucard.
 
2013-11-20 11:43:15 AM

mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.  Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]


When I hover over the picture it says David Miller pointing at paper.  So I will make an educated guess that his name is David Miller.

I'm going with David Miller
 
2013-11-20 11:43:16 AM

Rhino_man: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?

Well, if you want to do it in chronological order, you can start with this guy:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1013]


A slave owner? Nah, I won't give him credit for any sort of civil rights change.
 
2013-11-20 11:43:25 AM

Rhino_man: mrshowrules: TV's Vinnie: As I've pointed out many, many times before, the mass media are not on the side of the People. They would very much prefer having a right wing republican government (the more viciously Teabaggy the better), simply because republicans do outrageous things that the media can write articles about. The clusterfark known as the Iraq war gave these ghouls plenty of stuff to jibber about on MSNBC between weekends full of prison documentaries.


No media pundit wants to write articles about boring Democratic stuff like "Baby gets well fed" or "Elderly person went to the doctor and got better".

It is almost like the media has a bias towards a train wreck and conflict.  How can you prove that?

Here's a test.  Does any Farker know who this guy is?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x330]

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that it's Tornto's Deputy Mayor, Norm Kelly (no, I don't know what Norm Kelly looks like... so I'm probably wrong)


thetyee.cachefly.net

He's this guy's predecessor before CNN became interested in Toronto City politics.
 
2013-11-20 11:43:42 AM

coyo: TheShavingofOccam123: Subby, not only are Americans getting insured, they're getting health care while not being separated from their cash at alarming rates.

Much to the dismay of Republicans and shareholders in insurance companies.

That is why they fight so much. It's hard to take this away once people like it. Everyone has or knows a granny.

I see some farkers here cheer the fact that it is difficult to get everyone health care and these farkers hope that people remain uninsured.

Personally I had a friend die recently. He was on his early 60s, still working and not able to afford health care. His widow said he was waiting to get into the exchanges due to his heart condition. This story touched me personally, so no, I am not going to give an inch to people who are extatic that the ACA is having problems and who hope it goes away lest people without means get care.


You got it. The plans that offered no care for a lower premium are now going away. And so are the insurance profits from those plans that forced people to go to emergency rooms for medical care.

Plus competition. Which is a hated word among those greedy bastards.
 
2013-11-20 11:44:39 AM
FTFAMany of them live in Republican-controlled states, which haven't set up their own online exchanges and which refused the Obama Administration's offer to meet most of the costs of expanding Medicaid....As a result, the take-up has been dismal. In Texas, for example, only about three thousand people have signed up for new individual plans, and the state isn't expanding Medicaid.

Fun Fact: Texas IS  shuffling its high risk pool onto the exchanges, just as right-wingers are trying to argue such state-based pools are the way to replace the ACA.
 
2013-11-20 11:44:54 AM

Tricky Chicken: Dog Welder: Wait, do you mean to tell me that states that actively tried to work with the law and expand the Medicare coverage are seeing massive enrollments, and states where the governors and state legislatures are actively trying to sabotage the law the people are having issues?  Color me shocked.

/"shocked" as a color is very similar to chartreuse.

Yes, the republican governors were particularly brilliant weren't they?  Expand medicare and run your own exchange and shoulder some of the expense, or just let the federal government handle their own law themselves and not risk taking on any of the expense.  Tough choice.

The smart ones are letting the Feds take all the risk.  As the costs skyrocket, their budgets won't take a hit.  Been nice knowing ya California!


I guess I see that and translate it to "Yay, people are going to suffer and die. I have mine and my team is going to win!"
 
2013-11-20 11:45:27 AM

Felgraf: llortcM_yllort: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.

Your username is not nearly as clever as you think it is, Alucard.


I'm too lazy to make a new user.  Do you disagree with what I said?  Why or why not?
 
2013-11-20 11:46:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?

Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


This also brings me back to my point of liberalism being feel good politics.  You vote on something that is right and just, great. In actuality you really didn't do all that farking much other than say you want change.
 
2013-11-20 11:46:56 AM

BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.


I believe the exact quote is: "Don't worry about purging fark of all these nate silver fellatio threads after Romney wins and his credibility is ruined. I already have screenprints ready to go."

I believe it's that because I have it on a screenprint.
 
2013-11-20 11:48:05 AM

llortcM_yllort: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.


That's a bingo!
 
2013-11-20 11:48:17 AM

FarkedOver: Rhino_man: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?

Well, if you want to do it in chronological order, you can start with this guy:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x1013]

A slave owner? Nah, I won't give him credit for any sort of civil rights change.


He's the one who pushed for a Bill of Rights in the first place.  The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s wanted that Bill of Rights extended to cover everyone regardless of color, but that doesn't mean that Jefferson wasn't deeply involved in its creation.
 
2013-11-20 11:48:43 AM
FarkedOver:
This also brings me back to my point of liberalism being feel good politics.  You vote on something that is right and just, great. In actuality you really didn't do all that farking much other than say you want change.

So vote slavery.
 
Bf+
2013-11-20 11:49:22 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: You think that communists, socialists and anarchists are who gave us civil rights in 1964.

Go home, you're drunk.

Which liberal should I thank for these rights that he/she has bestowed upon me in their infinite wisdom?

Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

This also brings me back to my point of liberalism being feel good politics.  You vote on something that is right and just, great. In actuality you really didn't do all that farking much other than say you want change.



You know, words mean things, despite your objection.
 
2013-11-20 11:50:01 AM
People are getting excited about a total enrollment of 90,000 people in California?  Really?  That's about as many sneak across the border.

Let's see, there's 40 million people in California.  90 thousand signed up.  That's about 0.2%.  So 99.8% of the people of California don't have Obamacare.  And that's a "working state."
 
2013-11-20 11:50:25 AM

FarkedOver: Voting is what made civil rights possible


Do you think that anarchists vote? How about communists? Who do they vote for? Were there any communists in congress in 1964? How about anarchists? How about Black Panthers?
 
2013-11-20 11:50:35 AM

Rhino_man: He's the one who pushed for a Bill of Rights in the first place. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s wanted that Bill of Rights extended to cover everyone regardless of color, but that doesn't mean that Jefferson wasn't deeply involved in its creation.


He pushed for a bill of rights for rich white men.  Great, what a visionary and a real big departure from the Magna Carta.  You want someone that really wanted change? Check out this mofo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babeuf
 
2013-11-20 11:50:54 AM

tbeatty: People are getting excited about a total enrollment of 90,000 people in California?  Really?  That's about as many sneak across the border.

Let's see, there's 40 million people in California.  90 thousand signed up.  That's about 0.2%.  So 99.8% of the people of California don't have Obamacare.  And that's a "working state."


Wanna guess how I know you have no idea what Obamacare is?
 
2013-11-20 11:51:01 AM

tbeatty: People are getting excited about a total enrollment of 90,000 people in California?  Really?  That's about as many sneak across the border.

Let's see, there's 40 million people in California.  90 thousand signed up.  That's about 0.2%.  So 99.8% of the people of California don't have Obamacare.  And that's a "working state."


What do you think Obamacare IS exactly?
 
2013-11-20 11:51:44 AM

FarkedOver: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Riiiighhhhttt that was all liberals.... Keep believing that.


Actually it was. Liberal Republicans and Liberal Democratic members of Congress united and overcame opposition from Conservative Republicans and Conservative Democrats. The deciding factor was geography, not party affiliation. At that time you still had a species later known as "Rockafeller Republicans". Today they are all but dead.
 
2013-11-20 11:52:43 AM

Somacandra: FarkedOver: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Riiiighhhhttt that was all liberals.... Keep believing that.

Actually it was. Liberal Republicans and Liberal Democratic members of Congress united and overcame opposition from Conservative Republicans and Conservative Democrats. The deciding factor was geography, not party affiliation. At that time you still had a species later known as "Rockafeller Republicans". Today they are all but dead.


But they can't be true. I was told both sides are bad, you see.
 
2013-11-20 11:52:44 AM

FarkedOver: Rhino_man: He's the one who pushed for a Bill of Rights in the first place. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s wanted that Bill of Rights extended to cover everyone regardless of color, but that doesn't mean that Jefferson wasn't deeply involved in its creation.

He pushed for a bill of rights for rich white men.  Great, what a visionary and a real big departure from the Magna Carta.  You want someone that really wanted change? Check out this mofo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babeuf


That's great, but you asked for liberals who bestowed rights  upon you.  Unless you're a French citizen, I'm going to go with "no" on that one.

/Babeuf was an awesome muhfugga, though.
 
2013-11-20 11:52:57 AM

cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Voting is what made civil rights possible

Do you think that anarchists vote? How about communists? Who do they vote for? Were there any communists in congress in 1964? How about anarchists? How about Black Panthers?


Anarchists do not typically vote in capitalist elections.  Communists would vote if there was a communist or socialist running.  The black panther party probably didn't vote but did guard polling places to ensure people of color could vote.  It's this kind of action that is paramount to any vote some representative made or did not make regarding civil rights.
 
2013-11-20 11:53:42 AM

llortcM_yllort: Felgraf: llortcM_yllort: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Liberalism is nothing but feel good politics.

 Yes, I'm sure it does "feels good" when you get Civil Rights.

Let's talk about accomplishments in my lifetime.  Also, make sure that they are things that the Democrats actively supported instead of jumping on the bandwagon after the grassroots groups did all the legwork like gay rights.

Your username is not nearly as clever as you think it is, Alucard.

I'm too lazy to make a new user.  Do you disagree with what I said?  Why or why not?


I'll give them credit because they're at least not actively attempting to slash the bandwagon's tires.
 
2013-11-20 11:53:48 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.


Did anybody say it was supposed to?
 
2013-11-20 11:54:06 AM

FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: FarkedOver: Voting is what made civil rights possible

Do you think that anarchists vote? How about communists? Who do they vote for? Were there any communists in congress in 1964? How about anarchists? How about Black Panthers?

Anarchists do not typically vote in capitalist elections.  Communists would vote if there was a communist or socialist running.  The black panther party probably didn't vote but did guard polling places to ensure people of color could vote.  It's this kind of action that is paramount to any vote some representative made or did not make regarding civil rights.


So what you're saying is that no, anarchists, communists and socialists did not have anything to do with civil rights.
 
2013-11-20 11:54:25 AM

Rhino_man: That's great, but you asked for liberals who bestowed rights upon you. Unless you're a French citizen, I'm going to go with "no" on that one.

/Babeuf was an awesome muhfugga, though.


I think Jefferson would be the first say he didn't bestow shiat on anyone and that I was born free (offer not applicable to people of color).
 
2013-11-20 11:54:51 AM

tbeatty: So 99.8% of the people of California don't have Obamacare.


The ACA isn't something you "have." Most people in CA as well as nationwide already get insurance from their employers as part of their benefits package. Since the requirement is to have coverage, most people fulfill the requirements without doing anything. But you knew that already, I'm sure.
 
2013-11-20 11:55:12 AM

Serious Black: FarkedOver: cameroncrazy1984: Everyone who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Voting is what made civil rights possible and was greater than the people that effected change without a vote? I'm sure Malcolm X was absolutely thrilled a bunch of white people decided it was ok for him to have civil rights in 1964.  I'm sure that vote solved all of the race issues in America.

Did anybody say it was supposed to?


So liberals really didn't do anything other than vote for their approval of civil rights.  Great.  Glad we cleared that up.
 
2013-11-20 11:56:06 AM

FarkedOver: Communists would vote if there was a communist or socialist running.  The black panther party probably didn't vote but did guard polling places to ensure people of color could vote.


I notice you don't have any actual evidence to support this mere conjecture.
 
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