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2013-11-20 08:24:11 AM
You mean in the world of Twitter and 24 hour news, facts and logic get overshadowed by teabagger and libtard rants?
 
2013-11-20 08:36:18 AM
Pretty soon the "liberal media" will find some other thing to obsess on, and we can get an idea how well the ACA is actually working.
 
2013-11-20 09:24:09 AM

WTF Indeed: You mean in the world of Twitter and 24 hour news, facts and logic get overshadowed by teabagger and libtard rants?


News is boring

I want to know what size dress Kim K is no wearing. I want to know how I can increase my penis size by following a shortened link. I want to know when Sarah Palin says something stupid and ignore everything else in the speech she said. I want to talk about Obama's incredibly idiotic paperclip choice. Dog whistle! Strawmen!
 
2013-11-20 09:29:25 AM
I wonder what 1000 year reign of teabag-like conservatism would look like...


s24.postimg.org
 
2013-11-20 09:35:45 AM

cman: I want to know when Sarah Palin says something stupid and ignore everything else in the speech she said.


Unpossible.   Everything she says is stupid.
 
2013-11-20 09:42:55 AM
Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.
 
2013-11-20 10:09:40 AM

SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.


Wanna bet?
 
2013-11-20 10:10:20 AM

UberDave: I wonder what 1000 year reign of teabag-like conservatism would look like...


[s24.postimg.org image 850x353]


that's a bit optimistic for 1000 years of teabagger reign.
 
2013-11-20 10:11:28 AM

SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.


Liberalism and ObamaCare won't die.

They will surely evolve, tho.
 
2013-11-20 10:11:35 AM

mrshowrules: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Wanna bet?


I, too, will take that bet.
 
2013-11-20 10:18:02 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I, too, will take that bet.


I would, but the odds are terrible. And Sloth will never pay out, anyway.
 
2013-11-20 10:18:40 AM

UberDave: I wonder what 1000 year reign of teabag-like conservatism would look like...


[s24.postimg.org image 850x353]


I'm pretty sure that's just the site of the inauguration.
 
2013-11-20 10:19:06 AM
When the "liberal democrat" president governs to the right of Richard Nixon, you know your country has slid right.
 
2013-11-20 10:19:26 AM
Hopefully liberalism does die and liberals can finally move further to left.
 
2013-11-20 10:21:36 AM

SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.


Nothing like being blind to the truth. Half a million already signed up through medicare/"obamacare". There will be millions by January.

The boat sailed. You're standing on the dock, screaming at everyone "it's coming back! Just wait here!"
 
2013-11-20 10:23:30 AM
Why won't the biggest change to healthcare delivery in the United States since Medicare happen faster?
 
2013-11-20 10:25:07 AM

SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.
 
2013-11-20 10:27:33 AM
While the press circle jerks about who can first report on the death of liberalism and the glorious coming thousand year reign of conservatism, people are getting insured they're forgetting there's a looming death spiral, too

FTFY, smitty.
 
2013-11-20 10:27:38 AM

mediablitz: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Nothing like being blind to the truth. Half a million already signed up through medicare/"obamacare". There will be millions by January.

The boat sailed. You're standing on the dock, screaming at everyone "it's coming back! Just wait here!"


They declared Obama care a failure in March 2010.  Should be no surprise that they will call it a failure 2 weeks into it, 2 months into it, 6 months into it....

I stand by my original prediction, even the GOP won't campaign on an outright repeal of Obamacare by 2016.  They will campaign on fixing it or replacing it.
 
2013-11-20 10:27:45 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Why won't the biggest change to healthcare delivery in the United States since Medicare happen faster?


And flawless! It must be absolutely flawless, otherwise we should tear the whole thing down!
 
2013-11-20 10:28:21 AM

Garet Garrett: While the press circle jerks about who can first report on the death of liberalism and the glorious coming thousand year reign of conservatism, people are getting insured they're forgetting there's a looming death spiral, too

FTFY, smitty.


Can you expound on that?
 
2013-11-20 10:28:55 AM

BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.


i146.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-20 10:29:27 AM
oooohhh

Liberals crying about the press?

Liberal tears are soooo sweet.
 
2013-11-20 10:29:33 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Pretty soon the "liberal media" will find some other thing to obsess on, and we can get an idea how well the ACA is actually working.


They've been itching for a controversy to fill their "Lame duck second term" cycle since the "Did Obama order the IRS to specificallly target only Tea Party groups?" story turned out to be complete trumped up horseshiat and Benghazi .turned out to be a complete dud outside of the Derposphere.
 
2013-11-20 10:29:49 AM
Have any commenters read the article, or did you all just set phasers to derp and come out blasting?
 
2013-11-20 10:30:57 AM

BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.


....ouch.
 
2013-11-20 10:31:01 AM

Tricky Chicken: oooohhh

Liberals crying about the press?

Liberal tears are soooo sweet.


Yes, because you've lied to yourself about a "liberal media" for 30 years now means the rest of us are as stupid as you.
 
2013-11-20 10:31:03 AM

nunyadang: Have any commenters read the article, or did you all just set phasers to derp and come out blasting?


I went full derp myself.  anyone else? Beuler?
 
2013-11-20 10:31:20 AM

SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.


So Republicans are going to run on stripping away privately purchased insurance from hundreds of thousands of Americas, re-implementing pre-existing condition clauses, and putting lifetime coverage caps on children with cancer?
 
2013-11-20 10:31:41 AM
If The New Yorker wanted to know something about circle-jerks, they should ask Farkers. There aren't enough mops to clean what's been piling up on the Politics tab the past few years.
 
2013-11-20 10:34:22 AM

nunyadang: Have any commenters read the article, or did you all just set phasers to derp and come out blasting?


You must be new here.
 
2013-11-20 10:36:05 AM

Kangaroo_Ralph: If The New Yorker wanted to know something about circle-jerks, they should ask Farkers. There aren't enough mops to clean what's been piling up on the Politics tab the past few years.


Complaining about a circlejerk on an internet forum is like complaining about the Pope being Catholic.  Your assessment is right, but what exactly did you expect?

/This post made more sense in my head.
 
2013-11-20 10:36:37 AM

UberDave: I wonder what 1000 year reign of teabag-like conservatism would look like...


I pictured feudal Europe. A big manor house and a bunch of serfs.
 
2013-11-20 10:37:58 AM

ikanreed: Tricky Chicken: oooohhh

Liberals crying about the press?

Liberal tears are soooo sweet.

Yes, because you've lied to yourself about a "liberal media" for 30 years now means the rest of us are as stupid as you.


The but hurt is strooong with this one.  Tell me about your evil conservative mean media...It is sooo unfair for them to point out how something you like so much is actually bad...

How does this make you feel?
 
2013-11-20 10:38:26 AM
States' rights. States like Cal with their own website getting healthcare. States being obstinate azzholes being hellholes. Sucks to be them. But at least its getting tougher to get an abortion, gotta love the vaginal ultrasound probe, that's the healthcare we need.
 
2013-11-20 10:38:59 AM

Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Wanna bet?

I, too, will take that bet.


By Ayn Rand's mighty pen, sign me up for this bet as well.

500 Quatloos against the sloth like one.
 
2013-11-20 10:39:56 AM
Wait, do you mean to tell me that states that actively tried to work with the law and expand the Medicare coverage are seeing massive enrollments, and states where the governors and state legislatures are actively trying to sabotage the law the people are having issues?  Color me shocked.

/"shocked" as a color is very similar to chartreuse.
 
2013-11-20 10:40:59 AM

Kangaroo_Ralph: If The New Yorker wanted to know something about circle-jerks, they should ask Farkers. There aren't enough mops to clean what's been piling up on the Politics tab the past few years.


Oh, wow, I haven't seen *you* show your face around here for a while. Not since the election, but perhaps I'd just missed it.
 
2013-11-20 10:41:38 AM

UberDave: I wonder what 1000 year reign of teabag-like conservatism would look like...


[s24.postimg.org image 850x353]


You mean like Democrat Detroit now.
 
2013-11-20 10:41:42 AM

InmanRoshi: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

So Republicans are going to run on stripping away privately purchased insurance from hundreds of thousands of Americas, re-implementing pre-existing condition clauses, and putting lifetime coverage caps on children with cancer?


Just the first part.
 
2013-11-20 10:41:46 AM
Well, I'm sure the liberal MSM mainstream media will get around to doing extensive segments involving interviews with people that are happy with the ACA and experts offering advice and explanations of problems.

Any minute now.
 
Bf+
2013-11-20 10:43:55 AM

BunkoSquad: SlothB77 [TotalFark] 2012-11-06 11:33:38 AM

When Romney wins, it is threads like this that Fark.com will delete and farkers everyone will pretend never existed.



Dayum!
Sloth is going to need Obamacare to help pay for the burn treatments.
 
2013-11-20 10:45:32 AM

SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.


Good, another conservative on board with single payer. You guys shouldn't have fought against it 3 years ago
 
2013-11-20 10:45:48 AM

Garet Garrett: While the press circle jerks about who can first report on the death of liberalism and the glorious coming thousand year reign of conservatism, people are getting insured they're forgetting there's a looming death spiral, too

FTFY, smitty.


When was the last time you studied actuarial science?
 
2013-11-20 10:45:54 AM

Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Wanna bet?

I, too, will take that bet.


Obamacare dieing to Single Payer (paving the way for it)? Utterly possible in my book. So, no, I won't take that bet.
 
2013-11-20 10:46:04 AM

Kevin72: States' rights. States like Cal with their own website getting healthcare. States being obstinate azzholes being hellholes. Sucks to be them. But at least its getting tougher to get an abortion, gotta love the vaginal ultrasound probe, that's the healthcare we need.


Thankfully, my state will soon be joining the caucus of the civilized.
www.lifesitenews.com

/McAuliffe might not be the greatest, but he promised to expand Medicaid and take over Virginia's exchange.
 
2013-11-20 10:47:47 AM

qorkfiend: Garet Garrett: While the press circle jerks about who can first report on the death of liberalism and the glorious coming thousand year reign of conservatism, people are getting insured they're forgetting there's a looming death spiral, too

FTFY, smitty.

Can you expound on that?


Um, sure.  So far the anecdotal evidence that's been put out about enrollments (and that's all that's been made available, a subject I'll address shortly), those that have managed to enroll in private plans (not the expanded Medicaid) have been among the "neediest" people - people with cancer, chronic illnesses, etc.  Heavy users of the system.  In order to maintain some sort of financial balance, for each of them, O'care needs about 20 people whose premiums exceed their medical expenses - basically, young healthy men (sorry ladies, you're expensive at any age, NTTAWWT).

Those guys are harder to track down than a will-o-the-wisp.  They need to be healthy, employed, make enough money to pay for the health insurance but not get it from their employer, not have a plan that O's latest promise will "let them keep," etc.  Oh, and be willing to pay more in premiums than they're likely to spend in healthcare plus the paltry tax penalty for not carrying insurance.

Now, if the exchanges were seeing the kind of ratios between net contributors and net takers from the system, Jay Carney would lead with that at every frigging news conference.  But they're not, so the anecdotes ("gammy finally can afford the rehab that will get her walking!") appear to be, by and large, representative (i.e., just what we'd expect - the people signing up are the people with a perceived acute need for insurance).  Which means the plans being offered are going to go upside down very, very quickly, and the insurers will be raising premiums dramatically to try to make the plans work financially.  Which will drive more and more non-heavy users out of the system, which will, in turn, drive greater premium increases.  I.e., a death spiral.

Of course, the cynical folks will suspect that the Obamas and Sebelius's of the world are hoping that the system fails into single payer.  But that's just speculation, right?
 
2013-11-20 10:50:09 AM

Heliovdrake: Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Liberalism won't die.  But Obamacare will.

Wanna bet?

I, too, will take that bet.

By Ayn Rand's mighty pen, sign me up for this bet as well.

500 Quatloos against the sloth like one.


All Fark bets must be made in gold-pressed latinum.  Your quatloos are no good here, buddy.
 
2013-11-20 10:50:09 AM

Kevin72: States' rights. States like Cal with their own website getting healthcare. States being obstinate azzholes being hellholes. Sucks to be them. But at least its getting tougher to get an abortion, gotta love the vaginal ultrasound probe, that's the healthcare we need.


And stuff like a Virginia state senator's son who gets evaluated but since there are no psych beds available he's sent home and gets all stabby on his dad then shoots himself. It's interesting that Virginia isn't expanding Medicaid to help poor people pay for their Obamacare. Not that a state senator's son is poor, right?

States' Rights, every damned day, especially here in George "Macaca" Allen's Confederate Paradise.
 
2013-11-20 10:51:57 AM

Dog Welder: Wait, do you mean to tell me that states that actively tried to work with the law and expand the Medicare coverage are seeing massive enrollments, and states where the governors and state legislatures are actively trying to sabotage the law the people are having issues?  Color me shocked.

/"shocked" as a color is very similar to chartreuse.


Yes, the republican governors were particularly brilliant weren't they?  Expand medicare and run your own exchange and shoulder some of the expense, or just let the federal government handle their own law themselves and not risk taking on any of the expense.  Tough choice.

The smart ones are letting the Feds take all the risk.  As the costs skyrocket, their budgets won't take a hit.  Been nice knowing ya California!
 
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