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(LA Times)   NYC residents now living in RVs to beat the high cost of rent. Apparently it works great ... until the owner of the RV finds out   (latimes.com) divider line 63
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2013-11-20 08:46:49 AM
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2013-11-20 08:48:27 AM
He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent. A new   is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

Woah, he's like, totally back to the land, man. Actually living the pioneer dream.
 
2013-11-20 08:51:26 AM
If you want to live in an RV and don't cause any fire/health hazards, I'm cool with that. I'm not cool with people tapping electricity, opening fire hydrants, and apparently being leeching douchebags.
 
2013-11-20 08:52:23 AM
Those Homesteaders in Alaska have nothing on him.
 
2013-11-20 08:52:51 AM
Finding parking around Park Slope is hard enough with a sedan. I couldn't imagine dealing with alternate side parking rules 4 times a week in an RV.
 
2013-11-20 08:53:49 AM

redmid17: If you want to live in an RV and don't cause any fire/health hazards, I'm cool with that. I'm not cool with people tapping electricity, opening fire hydrants, and apparently being leeching douchebags.


but, but, but...society! They're part of  society!which means that they are entitled to be provided basic services and whatnot!
 
2013-11-20 08:55:55 AM
"I've got everything," said Cintron, a husky 34-year-old with a close-cropped beard and gold chain, as his fan and portable air conditioner whir. "I'm comfortable here."
Cintron was looking for a new place to live last spring after splitting up with his girlfriend. Unable to find an affordable apartment that would also allow his dog, he found inspiration in a friend who owns an RV. So he bought a 1996 Gulf Stream Ultra posted on
He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent.


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This is what our affluent society has returned to, as the rich shovel their money offshore and half the government aims only to eliminate the benefits of government.

A new Whole Foods is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

... and farking yuppies ruining  everything.
 
2013-11-20 08:56:18 AM
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"You're living in a fool's paradise, Van Houten!  If you fell down in the shower, that thing would be your tomb!"
 
2013-11-20 09:00:25 AM
That there's an RV.
 
2013-11-20 09:01:21 AM

vudukungfu: He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent. A new   is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

Woah, he's like, totally back to the land, man. Actually living the pioneer dream.


Organic juice?  Ok fine I can see how that would work, but farking artisanal pickles?  What the fark does that even mean?  How can "artisans" "craft" a pickle?
 
2013-11-20 09:04:45 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-20 09:05:29 AM

Kit Fister: redmid17: If you want to live in an RV and don't cause any fire/health hazards, I'm cool with that. I'm not cool with people tapping electricity, opening fire hydrants, and apparently being leeching douchebags.

but, but, but...society! They're part of  society!which means that they are entitled to be provided basic services and whatnot!


Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.

I pay my NYC locality tax, my Federal, and NY state tax.  I consider it money used to buy civilization.  Not theft, which is what you apparently view it as.
 
2013-11-20 09:06:21 AM
I get wanting to live in the city, but if you're going to be broke, I would think it's better to be broke someplace where the COL is so much less.  In the town where I'm from, a decent house is $150k and they still have $.75 beers.  You're only going to make ~$50k tops there, but it can't be much less than what this guy is making and you get to live a little better and build some equity.
 
2013-11-20 09:06:34 AM
So, New York is getting its own version of the Midwestern and Southern trailer trash.
 
2013-11-20 09:07:27 AM

AntonChigger: vudukungfu: He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent. A new   is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

Woah, he's like, totally back to the land, man. Actually living the pioneer dream.

Organic juice?  Ok fine I can see how that would work, but farking artisanal pickles?  What the fark does that even mean?  How can "artisans" "craft" a pickle?


Small batch pickles using organic, locally sourced, uncommon ingredients, or some combination thereof.  As opposed to pickles made in a factory using HFCS?  That's my guess.

I see you're not a pickle fan.  You should try some decent pickles one day.
 
2013-11-20 09:09:05 AM

tripleseven: AntonChigger: vudukungfu: He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent. A new   is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

Woah, he's like, totally back to the land, man. Actually living the pioneer dream.

Organic juice?  Ok fine I can see how that would work, but farking artisanal pickles?  What the fark does that even mean?  How can "artisans" "craft" a pickle?

Small batch pickles using organic, locally sourced, uncommon ingredients, or some combination thereof.  As opposed to pickles made in a factory using HFCS?  That's my guess.

I see you're not a pickle fan.  You should try some decent pickles one day.


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2013-11-20 09:11:02 AM
www.justtheplanet.com

Do the old Amsterdam on the Hudson and build houseboats.

/I'd say that it one could also escape property taxes; but with 25% of NYC property tax exempt, it sounds pretty easy to do, anyways
 
2013-11-20 09:11:16 AM
Maybe there is some space down by the river.
 
2013-11-20 09:11:45 AM

tricycleracer: tripleseven: AntonChigger: vudukungfu: He wound up parking near Brooklyn's tony Park Slope neighborhood, where he grew up but now can't afford to rent. A new   is sprouting a few blocks from an artisanal pickle store and organic juice bar.

Woah, he's like, totally back to the land, man. Actually living the pioneer dream.

Organic juice?  Ok fine I can see how that would work, but farking artisanal pickles?  What the fark does that even mean?  How can "artisans" "craft" a pickle?

Small batch pickles using organic, locally sourced, uncommon ingredients, or some combination thereof.  As opposed to pickles made in a factory using HFCS?  That's my guess.

I see you're not a pickle fan.  You should try some decent pickles one day.

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I understand the hipster distate, I really do.  Trust me, I am not glad they coopted it.  However, pickles are somewhat of an institution in NYC.  Long predating hipsters.

I recommend http://batamptepickle.com/  for starters.
 
2013-11-20 09:13:08 AM

tripleseven: Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.

I pay my NYC locality tax, my Federal, and NY state tax.  I consider it money used to buy civilization.  Not theft, which is what you apparently view it as.


Theft? nope. I pay my taxes so I get roads and a military and police and whatnot.

However, considering New York City and most urban lifestyles, I'm not sure I'd consider that "civilization".
 
2013-11-20 09:16:11 AM

Kit Fister: tripleseven: Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.

I pay my NYC locality tax, my Federal, and NY state tax.  I consider it money used to buy civilization.  Not theft, which is what you apparently view it as.

Theft? nope. I pay my taxes so I get roads and a military and police and whatnot.

However, considering New York City and most urban lifestyles, I'm not sure I'd consider that "civilization".


So, you feel entitled to drive on roads right? Because society man, like, society!


Same/same.

And, I'd venture a guess you've either never been to NYC, or, maybe once.  Went to times square, and saw all that culture.
 
2013-11-20 09:22:25 AM
I wonder how long until restrictive RV laws are put in.
 
2013-11-20 09:22:43 AM
"...and I live in a van down by the East River"
 
2013-11-20 09:23:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: I get wanting to live in the city, but if you're going to be broke, I would think it's better to be broke someplace where the COL is so much less.  In the town where I'm from, a decent house is $150k and they still have $.75 beers.  You're only going to make ~$50k tops there, but it can't be much less than what this guy is making and you get to live a little better and build some equity.


You can find good housing in NYC for reasonable prices. I'm paying less on my mortgage than what is quoted for rent prices in that article.

The problem is all the idiots who come to NYC to live the sex-in-the-city/gossip girl/girls lifestyle and refuse to live in a zip code that wasnt featured on a TV show.
 
2013-11-20 09:23:27 AM
 blog.rentaluniversity.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 09:25:01 AM
One town in Massachusetts didn't want that sort of people around so they made up a rule that vehicles you sleep in are subject to the building code.
 
2013-11-20 09:26:23 AM

LemSkroob: Rapmaster2000: I get wanting to live in the city, but if you're going to be broke, I would think it's better to be broke someplace where the COL is so much less.  In the town where I'm from, a decent house is $150k and they still have $.75 beers.  You're only going to make ~$50k tops there, but it can't be much less than what this guy is making and you get to live a little better and build some equity.

You can find good housing in NYC for reasonable prices. I'm paying less on my mortgage than what is quoted for rent prices in that article.

The problem is all the idiots who come to NYC to live the sex-in-the-city/gossip girl/girls lifestyle and refuse to live in a zip code that wasnt featured on a TV show.


I think the point is that a lot of people can't afford to or shouldn't be paying $2000 a month or more to rent or own *anywhere*
 
2013-11-20 09:27:00 AM
LemSkroob:

You can find good housing in NYC for reasonable prices. I'm paying less on my mortgage than what is quoted for rent prices in that article.

The problem is all the idiots who come to NYC to live the sex-in-the-city/gossip girl/girls lifestyle and refuse to live in a zip code that wasnt featured on a TV show.


I'm sure I could pay 1/4 what I pay on my mortgage and live in the same city, but I'm quite sure that I don't want to live in a neighborhood in this city that offers that mortgage.
 
2013-11-20 09:30:49 AM

redmid17: LemSkroob: Rapmaster2000: I get wanting to live in the city, but if you're going to be broke, I would think it's better to be broke someplace where the COL is so much less.  In the town where I'm from, a decent house is $150k and they still have $.75 beers.  You're only going to make ~$50k tops there, but it can't be much less than what this guy is making and you get to live a little better and build some equity.

You can find good housing in NYC for reasonable prices. I'm paying less on my mortgage than what is quoted for rent prices in that article.

The problem is all the idiots who come to NYC to live the sex-in-the-city/gossip girl/girls lifestyle and refuse to live in a zip code that wasnt featured on a TV show.

I think the point is that a lot of people can't afford to or shouldn't be paying $2000 a month or more to rent or own *anywhere*


Not really.  My point was matching your means with your wants.  I'm not seeing how it's worth it to live in any neighborhood that you can't really afford to live in.  It's also not really worth it for Bill Gates to move to Alabama even though he could probably buy the entire state.

I'm advocating that he better match-up his income/opportunity with his ability to live well and save money.
 
2013-11-20 09:33:09 AM
Years ago, some friends and I explored putting an Air Stream on a rooftop in the Meatpacking District. We thought it was the best idea ever at the time. It turned out to be impossible to do legally.
 
2013-11-20 10:06:06 AM

Kit Fister: tripleseven: Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.

I pay my NYC locality tax, my Federal, and NY state tax.  I consider it money used to buy civilization.  Not theft, which is what you apparently view it as.

Theft? nope. I pay my taxes so I get roads and a military and police and whatnot.

However, considering New York City and most urban lifestyles, I'm not sure I'd consider that "civilization".


Civilization is overrated
 
2013-11-20 10:08:19 AM

Rapmaster2000: redmid17: LemSkroob: Rapmaster2000: I get wanting to live in the city, but if you're going to be broke, I would think it's better to be broke someplace where the COL is so much less.  In the town where I'm from, a decent house is $150k and they still have $.75 beers.  You're only going to make ~$50k tops there, but it can't be much less than what this guy is making and you get to live a little better and build some equity.

You can find good housing in NYC for reasonable prices. I'm paying less on my mortgage than what is quoted for rent prices in that article.

The problem is all the idiots who come to NYC to live the sex-in-the-city/gossip girl/girls lifestyle and refuse to live in a zip code that wasnt featured on a TV show.

I think the point is that a lot of people can't afford to or shouldn't be paying $2000 a month or more to rent or own *anywhere*

Not really.  My point was matching your means with your wants.  I'm not seeing how it's worth it to live in any neighborhood that you can't really afford to live in.  It's also not really worth it for Bill Gates to move to Alabama even though he could probably buy the entire state.

I'm advocating that he better match-up his income/opportunity with his ability to live well and save money.


Which is what I was getting after...
 
2013-11-20 10:17:10 AM

Kit Fister: redmid17: If you want to live in an RV and don't cause any fire/health hazards, I'm cool with that. I'm not cool with people tapping electricity, opening fire hydrants, and apparently being leeching douchebags.

but, but, but...society! They're part of  society!which means that they are entitled to be provided basic services and whatnot!


Plus we are obligated to pay for his birth control.
 
2013-11-20 10:19:20 AM
Pitch a tent in Central Park

That worked well in the 80's
 
2013-11-20 10:21:25 AM

tripleseven: Kit Fister: tripleseven: Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.

I pay my NYC locality tax, my Federal, and NY state tax.  I consider it money used to buy civilization.  Not theft, which is what you apparently view it as.

Theft? nope. I pay my taxes so I get roads and a military and police and whatnot.

However, considering New York City and most urban lifestyles, I'm not sure I'd consider that "civilization".

So, you feel entitled to drive on roads right? Because society man, like, society!


Same/same.

And, I'd venture a guess you've either never been to NYC, or, maybe once.  Went to times square, and saw all that culture.


I wonder.... Of all the the times someone has made some insightful, sweeping generalization of someone with whom they are arguing on the internet.... If anyone has ever been right.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-20 10:26:10 AM
JohnCarter: Pitch a tent in Central Park
That worked well in the 80's


In the 1980s you could rebrand a homeless camp as an anti-apartheid protest.
 
2013-11-20 10:28:05 AM
I know where this dude is parked.  farking shantys.

On the other hand, you totally know who won that breakup.  She got the apartment and he's living in a shanty in front of a closed down Key Food.
 
2013-11-20 10:30:28 AM

ZAZ: JohnCarter: Pitch a tent in Central Park
That worked well in the 80's

In the 1980s you could rebrand a homeless camp as an anti-apartheid protest.


In the 2010's you could call it OWS.
 
2013-11-20 10:31:10 AM

tripleseven: Actually, if he's a New York City resident, he is subject to a locality income tax.  So, one could argue, he's paying for it.


Wouldn't residential utility access be tied to property taxes, rather than income taxes?
 
2013-11-20 10:31:11 AM
The ladies aren't really kicking down the door....


Golly after seeing that he basically lives in squalor I can't imagine why. No one's going to admire your resourcefulness if you live in your own filth.


This Old Box
 
2013-11-20 10:39:04 AM
artisanal pickle store

I wonder if they will have pickled beets?
 
2013-11-20 10:47:51 AM

AntonChigger: How can "artisans" "craft" a pickle?


I've been doing it for 20 years.

I make mini pickles in mini jars.
Baby cukes, and pickle in Maple syrup and I also do baby squashes.

Very popular with the Hipster tourists visiting our quaint and funky flea markets here in Vermont.

Highly profitable, and if they don't sell, which they do. they are good for a few years, make great gifts, and I can eat them anyway.
 
2013-11-20 10:49:30 AM

wiseolddude: pickled beets?


I make those, too.
I use my dad's recipe.
When the beets are gone, save the brine, and put hard boiled eggs in there.
Let me tell you, deviled eggs, with the red-to-pink-to-white-to yellow center are the bomb.
 
2013-11-20 10:50:50 AM
There's a growing little city of hipsters in beat up RVs and I believe an old school bus in an industrial area of Vancouver. I drive by it on the way to work. It's a fairly recent addition, but the idea is the same as the article. It went below freezing last night for the first time thus season, I wonder if it will last the winter?
 
2013-11-20 11:02:50 AM
The author of this piece must have searched for the rattiest looking RV he could find. He could have used one like this, more typical in the motorhomes you see traveling down the road:

www.forestriverinc.com
 
2013-11-20 11:02:57 AM
Wow...you guys are slipping.....it took this long??

www.thelunchboxdiaries.com
 
2013-11-20 11:08:49 AM
This is another example of a "lifestyle" that is only possible by leeching off others.  The article is silent on where the RV gets its electricity and water.  Adherents such as these live by:
1) Finding unguarded  power outlets and water faucettes in large big box parking lots;
2) "Borrowing" from "friends" who have homes and apartments; or (by far the least common)
3) Renting a parking spot (RV park, friend's driveway, etc).

Also not mentioned in the article is how the dude handles his gray (sink) and black (piss and shiat) water tanks.  With many of these yutzes, the solution is as nasty as you're thinking.

Don't get me wrong, it's an absolute shame for many that it has come to this.  But articles like these make it seem like these people have found a clever way to game the system.  All they've really done is found a way to impose upon others.
 
2013-11-20 11:17:05 AM

planes: The author of this piece must have searched for the rattiest looking RV he could find. He could have used one like this, more typical in the motorhomes you see traveling down the road:

[www.forestriverinc.com image 740x300]


He found one that someone was actually living in.  Blame the homeless guy for not springing for a fancier model.
 
2013-11-20 11:17:36 AM
Dear NYC:

Welcome to rural Texas.
 
2013-11-20 11:34:50 AM

ChipNASA: Wow...you guys are slipping.....it took this long??

[www.thelunchboxdiaries.com image 503x301]


No, boips hit it a little up stream
 
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