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(Think Progress)   Fresh off of telling underpaid employees to "work two jobs" or "apply for food stamps" to survive on their low wages, McDonald's offers a new piece of advice for the holidays: Sell your Christmas gifts and eat less to get by   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 147
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2013-11-20 08:33:24 AM
Well, to be fair, McDonalds did say "unwanted"...
 
2013-11-20 08:50:53 AM
If you were so rich & powerful that you didn't have to worry about the effects of some backlash, you'd troll the f*ck out of people every day, too.

Hell, some of you do it every day and you're worthless!
 
2013-11-20 08:54:26 AM
In order to sell a Hot Coco Sampler box you've got to receive a Hot Coco Sampler box.
 
2013-11-20 08:55:08 AM
McDonald's: We Know PR
 
2013-11-20 08:58:36 AM
Scrooged nation.

Despite the record DOW, we're in a functional depression.
 
2013-11-20 09:07:13 AM
Let's hope they start with eating less McDonald's food.  They'd certainly be better off.
 
2013-11-20 09:12:48 AM

GoldSpider: Let's hope they start with eating less McDonald's food.  They'd certainly be better off.


Or at least start tearing it into smaller bites.
 
2013-11-20 09:13:45 AM
The second job is at WalMart, isn't it?
 
2013-11-20 09:14:08 AM
Better yet. I advise McDonalds employees to feel free to take as much food as they want home to feed their families.
 
2013-11-20 09:16:59 AM

mrlewish: Better yet. I advise McDonalds employees to feel free to take as much food as they want home to feed their families.


That certainly won't have the unintended consequence of losing your job for theft and being worse of than before.
 
2013-11-20 09:23:31 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-20 09:27:15 AM
I really am becoming more comfortable by the day with the idea of breaking out the guillotines.
 
2013-11-20 09:33:40 AM
'Come and spend your money at McDonald's where we f**k over our employees, but that couldn't possibly affect your dining experience.'

/please ignore the fact that the people preparing your food have no access to healthcare
 
2013-11-20 09:34:20 AM
I'm lovin' it!
 
2013-11-20 09:35:25 AM

GoldSpider: Let's hope they start with eating less McDonald's food.  They'd certainly be better off.


If you don't have much money, that free "shift meal" you get at some restaurants is very nice.

Not that McDonald's probably even has that.
 
2013-11-20 09:38:02 AM
hey, if you want a $1 menu you really cannot expect the people that make that shiat to get paid.
 
2013-11-20 09:41:07 AM
My six-year-old on the subject of McDonald's fries a couple of days ago: "They never go bad!"
 
2013-11-20 09:41:53 AM

cryinoutloud: GoldSpider: Let's hope they start with eating less McDonald's food.  They'd certainly be better off.

If you don't have much money, that free "shift meal" you get at some restaurants is very nice.

Not that McDonald's probably even has that.


25 years ago they didn't, so I sure as hell wouldn't expect it now.  It would affect shareholder equity.
 
2013-11-20 09:41:56 AM
FTA: "McDonald's ... cashiers earn, on average, $7.75 an hour, just 50 cents higher than the federal minimum wage."

So they earn more than the minimum. When did the least important job in society become something you should be able to earn a healthy living from? McDonald's cashier is not a life plan, it is a starting point. If people are trying to support a family off it, that is a societal problem not a corporate one.
 
2013-11-20 09:45:13 AM
The one thing my job in fast food taught me was that I did not want to work in fast food my entire life.
 
2013-11-20 09:45:33 AM
Except to the extent that minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation, they are not "underpaid". If your primary job skill is showing up on time, you should rightly expect a small paycheck. When there are tens of millions of people in this country equally qualified as you to do something, you don't have a lot of leverage to bargain for better pay.

I'm far more concerned about the fact that so many people who have more skills than that don't have anywhere else to go anymore because all the jobs that utilize those skills are gone. Jobs like those at McDonald's should be there to provide an introduction to the work world for people and give them an opportunity to prove their basic competence and trustworthiness on their way to an actual career. They should not, themselves, be a career. Unfortunately, thanks to the continued assault on the middle class by conservative politicians and business lobbying groups, this is what we get.

"Sorry, no more town factory with good wages for hard workers. We shipped that to Vietnam because our shareholders demanded an additional 0.02/share profit this quarter. Go work at McDonald's selling fatty death to your high school friends until the petcoke pile BP is dumping next door on the shady contract your mayor signed in secret finally kills you!"

/ not that any of this changes the fact that McDonald's is, apparently, run by callous dicks who give terrible advice
 
2013-11-20 09:47:48 AM
I wish McD's (along with walmart & target) would all die & go to hell. Worthless crap, worthless companies.
 
2013-11-20 09:50:01 AM

Gonz: I really am becoming more comfortable by the day with the idea of breaking out the guillotines.


Guillotines?  Hell, let's start reenactments of William Wallaces death.  We'd at least get an idea of how huge the unmitigated gall of some of these farkers is.
 
2013-11-20 09:53:02 AM
I remember when McDonald's was a job for teenagers, not for full-time workers trying to make their entire living.
 
2013-11-20 10:02:38 AM

fredbox: I remember when McDonald's was a job for teenagers, not for full-time workers trying to make their entire living.


the economy was stronger then but there were still adults working at fast food places when I was a teenager (over 30 years ago)
 
2013-11-20 10:03:18 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: If you were so rich & powerful that you didn't have to worry about the effects of some backlash, you'd troll the f*ck out of people every day, too.

Hell, some of you do it every day and you're worthless!


I'm forced to admit that I never thought of it quite that way...
 
2013-11-20 10:05:21 AM

fredbox: I remember when McDonald's was a job for teenagers, not for full-time workers trying to make their entire living.


Yeah, cause teenagers could work all hours that McDonald needed, school year or no.
 
2013-11-20 10:07:16 AM
That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?
 
2013-11-20 10:09:08 AM

TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?


Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.
 
2013-11-20 10:09:18 AM

Bareefer Obonghit: If you were so rich & powerful that you didn't have to worry about the effects of some backlash, you'd troll the f*ck out of people every day, too.

Hell, some of you do it every day and you're worthless!


Trolling isn't visceral hate of the very people who made you a fat cat CEO who lacks the public shame to realize that telling your own farking workers to go on welfare should be a reason to have you kicked off your penthouse office sans golden parachute (but with a nice golden shower at the end).  That's sociopathic.
 
2013-11-20 10:11:24 AM

cman: TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?

Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.


I'm sure the Ancient Romans thought that too.
 
2013-11-20 10:12:26 AM
Don't blame McDonald's for paying a minimum wage that we say is perfectly legal. It is acting exactly as we should expect a profit-driven corporation to act. You want to help McDonald's employees? Raise the minimum wage.
 
2013-11-20 10:12:31 AM

pueblonative: cman: TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?

Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.

I'm sure the Ancient Romans thought that too.


One cannot compare the two as our lives were incredibly different. Different culture, different technology, different social structures.
 
2013-11-20 10:16:29 AM

skozlaw: Except to the extent that minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation, they are not "underpaid". If your primary job skill is showing up on time, you should rightly expect a small paycheck. When there are tens of millions of people in this country equally qualified as you to do something, you don't have a lot of leverage to bargain for better pay.

I'm far more concerned about the fact that so many people who have more skills than that don't have anywhere else to go anymore because all the jobs that utilize those skills are gone. Jobs like those at McDonald's should be there to provide an introduction to the work world for people and give them an opportunity to prove their basic competence and trustworthiness on their way to an actual career. They should not, themselves, be a career. Unfortunately, thanks to the continued assault on the middle class by conservative politicians and business lobbying groups, this is what we get.

"Sorry, no more town factory with good wages for hard workers. We shipped that to Vietnam because our shareholders demanded an additional 0.02/share profit this quarter. Go work at McDonald's selling fatty death to your high school friends until the petcoke pile BP is dumping next door on the shady contract your mayor signed in secret finally kills you!"

/ not that any of this changes the fact that McDonald's is, apparently, run by callous dicks who give terrible advice


Sorry dude.  You've been sold out by the "liberal" politicians as well.  Without Democrat support and a Democrat president signing it, NAFTA would never have passed.

Keep thinking that some segment of the government still speaks for the middle class though.
 
2013-11-20 10:17:35 AM

cman: pueblonative: cman: TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?

Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.

I'm sure the Ancient Romans thought that too.

One cannot compare the two as our lives were incredibly different. Different culture, different technology, different social structures.


Really?  We had a candidate for President of a major political party suggest that poor kids take the jobs of janitors at schools.  Modern debtors prisons already exist American industry has basically gutted any semblance of unions in this country outside of government.  So please, explain how this will never happen.  It may be in a velvet covering, but it is already on our footsteps.  We don't stop it in our chase for cheap food and even cheaper lives we'll wake up and it will be here and then they can dispense with the niceties.
 
2013-11-20 10:19:32 AM

MagicianNamedGob: Don't blame McDonald's for paying a minimum wage that we say is perfectly legal. It is acting exactly as we should expect a profit-driven corporation to act. You want to help McDonald's employees? Raise the minimum wage.


Why didn't anybody criticizing McDonalds before make that argument?  You're a genius!
 
2013-11-20 10:23:07 AM

pueblonative: cman: pueblonative: cman: TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?

Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.

I'm sure the Ancient Romans thought that too.

One cannot compare the two as our lives were incredibly different. Different culture, different technology, different social structures.

Really?  We had a candidate for President of a major political party suggest that poor kids take the jobs of janitors at schools.  Modern debtors prisons already exist American industry has basically gutted any semblance of unions in this country outside of government.  So please, explain how this will never happen.  It may be in a velvet covering, but it is already on our footsteps.  We don't stop it in our chase for cheap food and even cheaper lives we'll wake up and it will be here and then they can dispense with the niceties.


1. I remember that specific case. It was a school that had to make a hard decision: cut money spent on educating the kids or cut non-essential staff. The idea was to let children take over those jobs as a way to teach them experience and discipline.
2. Unions are not just victims. They are not infallible. Maybe you should do some real soul searching and ask yourselves honestly why unions lost power. Don't be biased; be open minded about it.
 
2013-11-20 10:27:39 AM
This country needs a militant workforce more than anything, but it'll never happen because Americans today are petty, small people with no concept of solidarity.

When you get enough people together, you can accomplish anything you want.
 
2013-11-20 10:31:25 AM

MagicianNamedGob: Don't blame McDonald's for paying a minimum wage that we say is perfectly legal. It is acting exactly as we should expect a profit-driven corporation to act. You want to help McDonald's employees? Raise the minimum wage.


Does that strike anyone else as sounding similar to "Look at the way she was dressed -- she was  asking for it..."?  The motivation and opportunity to participate in clear wrongdoing does not absolve one of culpability.  If you leave your wallet in a restaurant, shame on you.  If I keep the contents and don't try to find you, shame on  me.
 
2013-11-20 10:32:04 AM
cman:

1. I remember that specific case. It was a school that had to make a hard decision: cut money spent on educating the kids or cut non-essential staff. The idea was to let children take over those jobs as a way to teach them experience and discipline.
2. Unions are not just victims. They are not infallible. Maybe you should do some real soul searching and ask yourselves honestly why unions lost power. Don't be biased; be open minded about it.


1.  So their answer was to take the poorer kids out of class and let them clean for their betters.  Yeah.  And I notice "raising taxes to pay for something we agree is a universal good" wasn't on the table.
2.  Unions aren't infallable, and neither are businesses.  The difference is the latter outspent the former and got a bunch of hand picked marionettes to write laws stripping the unions of any effective power in negotiation and hired a bunch of business croneys to enforce what laws were there in the first place.
 
2013-11-20 10:35:36 AM

pueblonative: cman:

1. I remember that specific case. It was a school that had to make a hard decision: cut money spent on educating the kids or cut non-essential staff. The idea was to let children take over those jobs as a way to teach them experience and discipline.
2. Unions are not just victims. They are not infallible. Maybe you should do some real soul searching and ask yourselves honestly why unions lost power. Don't be biased; be open minded about it.

1.  So their answer was to take the poorer kids out of class and let them clean for their betters.  Yeah.  And I notice "raising taxes to pay for something we agree is a universal good" wasn't on the table.
2.  Unions aren't infallable, and neither are businesses.  The difference is the latter outspent the former and got a bunch of hand picked marionettes to write laws stripping the unions of any effective power in negotiation and hired a bunch of business croneys to enforce what laws were there in the first place.


1. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is politically impossible.
2. Do you know why Unions are no longer powerful? Its because they don't want to believe the truth. The ideology must always be supported. Damn the truth, we can't let them have any win. We have a word for those people in America: Republicans.
 
2013-11-20 10:36:23 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Scrooged nation.

Despite the record DOW, we're in a functional depression.


this is due to the fact that the wealthy are becoming wealthier while the rest of us remain stagnant.

ergo: TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK.
 
2013-11-20 10:37:12 AM

cman: TheOtherGuy


I have 

pueblonative: cman: pueblonative: cman: TheOtherGuy: That we have come this far without demonstrations and unrest beyond Occupy Wall Street is astounding to me.  What's it going to take?  How much abuse are we willing to absorb from our corporate masters?

Will it take the return of workhouses?  Re-legalized child labor?  Actual debtor's prisons?  At what point will we have had enough?

Those days are not coming back. Devolution won't happen. Our standard of living has increased to the point that we have high expectations on how we are to be treated. We will evolve, yes.

I'm sure the Ancient Romans thought that too.

One cannot compare the two as our lives were incredibly different. Different culture, different technology, different social structures.

Really?  We had a candidate for President of a major political party suggest that poor kids take the jobs of janitors at schools.  Modern debtors prisons already exist American industry has basically gutted any semblance of unions in this country outside of government.  So please, explain how this will never happen.  It may be in a velvet covering, but it is already on our footsteps.  We don't stop it in our chase for cheap food and even cheaper lives we'll wake up and it will be here and then they can dispense with the niceties.


To be fair, there's every indication that the food can be all but as cheap; the owners of industry just have to either choose or be forced to be satisfied with less profit, especially in the short term.  In most cases, this simply means mere billions in profit instead of mega-billions.  10% growth per quarter instead of 40%.  We're not talking about taking a loss or razor-thin margins here.  We're talking about instead of mega-bonanza for the rich, crushing despair for everyone else, maybe we can aim for regular-bonanza for the rich, modestly good times for the rest of us...

I have to agree, though, it seems like every year is another instance of "forgotten economic horrors I never thought I'd see in the US in the 21st century".  There's no indication it's stopping or even slowing down on the way to Industrial Revolution levels of depravity and even beyond...
 
2013-11-20 10:38:53 AM

TheOtherGuy: The motivation and opportunity to participate in clear wrongdoing does not absolve one of culpability.


You are equating rape with paying someone  above the legally mandated wage threshold?

Is there a variant of Godwin's law that pertains to rape?

Also, how is paying someone  abovethe minimum wage "clear wrongdoing?" Is it not legal to pay them that much, should the employee agree to it?
 
2013-11-20 10:39:25 AM

cman: Raising taxes in an economic crisis is politically impossible


Hmmm, my property tax bill disagrees with you.  File that one under "Don't I  wish..."
 
2013-11-20 10:41:56 AM

FlashHarry: ergo: TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT WORK.


We are so close to turning the trickle down corner.

So very, very close.

If we stop giving tax cuts to the job creators, 30 years of trickle down theory goes to waste. TO WASTE!
 
2013-11-20 10:44:19 AM

cman: 1. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is politically impossible.
2. Do you know why Unions are no longer powerful? Its because they don't want to believe the truth. The ideology must always be supported. Damn the truth, we can't let them have any win. We have a word for those people in America: Republicans.


www.cbpp.org

1.  I see some people who are having less of an economic crisis than others.  Let's start there.
2.  Unions realize that they've been outspent by modern day plutocrats.  They're just too afraid of their own shadows these days to organize and fight.
 
2013-11-20 10:44:29 AM

The_Six_Fingered_Man: TheOtherGuy: The motivation and opportunity to participate in clear wrongdoing does not absolve one of culpability.

You are equating rape with paying someone  above the legally mandated wage threshold?

Is there a variant of Godwin's law that pertains to rape?

Also, how is paying someone  abovethe minimum wage "clear wrongdoing?" Is it not legal to pay them that much, should the employee agree to it?


I see I have to spell this out.  Most people, though obviously not you, believe that paying starvation wages is wrong, regardless of legality or the nature of employment.  People should be able to obtain employment even at the lowest level that pays for food, shelter, insurance, and necessities.

Your argument boiled down to equating  legal with  moral.  I was attempting to show the difference.  My point here is, yes, while you could make the assertion that certain clothing is a risky proposition for a woman in certain circumstances, her decision to take that risk does NOT change the morality of assaulting or harassing her.  It's still just as wrong as if she was in a burqa; it's not even a mitigating factor.  Just because we haven't made it illegal to pay someone so little doesn't mean it's not wrong.  Get it?

If you disagree that such low pay is wrong, fine, but don't rest the argument on its legality.
 
2013-11-20 10:47:33 AM

pueblonative: cman: 1. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is politically impossible.
2. Do you know why Unions are no longer powerful? Its because they don't want to believe the truth. The ideology must always be supported. Damn the truth, we can't let them have any win. We have a word for those people in America: Republicans.

[www.cbpp.org image 521x341]

1.  I see some people who are having less of an economic crisis than others.  Let's start there.
2.  Unions realize that they've been outspent by modern day plutocrats.  They're just too afraid of their own shadows these days to organize and fight.


Afraid?

You want to know fear?

We have politicians on both sides of the isle saying that not voting for a D or an R will result in the other side winning.

We are scared into keeping the status quo.

We perpetuate this by voting for these idiots.

Thats why unions aren't powerful. Ds and Rs love big business.
 
2013-11-20 10:49:59 AM

cman: pueblonative: cman: 1. Raising taxes in an economic crisis is politically impossible.
2. Do you know why Unions are no longer powerful? Its because they don't want to believe the truth. The ideology must always be supported. Damn the truth, we can't let them have any win. We have a word for those people in America: Republicans.

[www.cbpp.org image 521x341]

1.  I see some people who are having less of an economic crisis than others.  Let's start there.
2.  Unions realize that they've been outspent by modern day plutocrats.  They're just too afraid of their own shadows these days to organize and fight.

Afraid?

You want to know fear?

We have politicians on both sides of the isle saying that not voting for a D or an R will result in the other side winning.

We are scared into keeping the status quo.

We perpetuate this by voting for these idiots.

Thats why unions aren't powerful. Ds and Rs love big business.


BSABSVG?  Could get behind that, but getting a few short term fixes in wouldn't be so bad even if I have to hold my nose and vote Democrat for a couple of election cycles.
 
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