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(Some Guy)   Biggest motivation for Atlanta Braves move to suburban Cobb County is that there will be more parking. Never mind fact that new stadium will have 2,500 fewer parking spaces than Turner Field -- trust us, there will be more parking   (fieldofschemes.com) divider line 40
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2013-11-20 09:27:50 AM  
The stadium will also hold fewer people, so of course there will be fewer parking spaces, but the Braves will actually make money off those spaces. But, hey, don't let facts interfere with anything.
 
2013-11-20 09:29:17 AM  
Just park on 285. The people behind you won't notice a difference one way or the other.
 
2013-11-20 09:43:17 AM  
The point of the stadium is that they can get more money out of Cobb County government than they can get out of Atlanta.  They will get more for parking, concessions, and for the actual stadium itself.  They are literally getting $300M straight cash (as of now) and are responsible for zero of the interest on that.  Nobody can or wants to match that.  That's why it's not in Doraville (because people keep asking this).

They'll have around 20% less seats, but it doesn't really matter.   The money is in TV contracts now.   The Braves have a smaller contract than the Brewers.  The renegotiation of that will make them profitable.

If Cobb County wants to show everyone how they can do it better than the city, then I say more power to them.  I look forward to attending a game, preferably on a weekend.  There's no way I'm driving up to Cobb County on a workday.
 
2013-11-20 10:11:23 AM  
well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?
 
2013-11-20 10:18:09 AM  

johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?


You do realize that Cobb is only ~55% white, right?
 
2013-11-20 10:18:11 AM  

johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?


Or having their car stolen or being assaulted or robbed at gunpoint. Having to park in some thugs grandmothers backyard will be a greatly missed.

The smell of urine on the way to the 30 minute walk to the stadium will be missed.
 
2013-11-20 10:25:22 AM  

flak attack: johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?

You do realize that Cobb is only ~55% white, right?


i think its closer to 60+% and regardless, as opposed to atlanta??
 
2013-11-20 10:26:45 AM  

mikeray: The smell of urine on the way to the 30 minute walk to the stadium will be missed.


when did we start talking about the Phillies Cubs?
 
2013-11-20 10:28:15 AM  

flak attack: johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?

You do realize that Cobb is only ~55% white, right?


This is true, but if you've been to a Braves game over the last 5 years, it has gotten progressively more redneck friendly.  They play "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" and the damn "Chattahoochee" song eight times a game.  I went to the Braves/Cards play-in game last year and it was the most redneck crowd ever.  I literally saw six people packed into the front seat of a rusty pickup.  Some white guy asked me a question and I couldn't understand a word he said.  It sounded like merfercomeonbacknowpickledpotatoooooo.

The game ended with white trash littering the field with trash.  Some dumb hick asked if I would give him my $6 beer so he could throw it on the field.  My enthusiasm for the team has waned a bit since then.  I don't really like to be associated with those people.
 
2013-11-20 10:41:45 AM  

Rapmaster2000: $6 beer


The Braves have $6 beer at their games?
 
2013-11-20 10:43:27 AM  

dukeblue219: Rapmaster2000: $6 beer

The Braves have $6 beer at their games?


I believe they have $6 Bud Light 16 oz plastic bottles.
 
2013-11-20 10:44:29 AM  

mikeray: Or having their car stolen or being assaulted or robbed at gunpoint. Having to park in some thugs grandmothers backyard will be a greatly missed.


I lived in Atlanta from 2004-2010. Am I the only one that never had trouble parking for Braves games? I've seen this mentioned repeatedly, but I thought they had plenty of parking in the official lots. It was either $10 or $12... can't exactly remember... but it seemed affordable and available at the time.

That said, the area around the stadium IS terrible, no argument there, and more power to them if they can create an environment on par with other stadiums around the country.
 
2013-11-20 10:47:28 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I believe they have $6 Bud Light 16 oz plastic bottles.


Wow. I think it's $9 for a domestic bottle at Nationals games. Then again, at some bars around here it's $6 for a Bud Light anyway, so I would expect higher at a game.
 
2013-11-20 10:55:27 AM  

dukeblue219: Rapmaster2000: I believe they have $6 Bud Light 16 oz plastic bottles.

Wow. I think it's $9 for a domestic bottle at Nationals games. Then again, at some bars around here it's $6 for a Bud Light anyway, so I would expect higher at a game.


I went to a Nats game once.  The only bad part I remember was the Nats themselves.  Just bad baseball.
 
2013-11-20 10:55:45 AM  

johnny_vegas: flak attack: johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?

You do realize that Cobb is only ~55% white, right?

i think its closer to 60+% and regardless, as opposed to atlanta??


http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13067.html

While alone (non Hispanic) is 55.4%.

Black people tend to hang out around Powder Springs.  The area where the stadium is proposed is mostly Hispanic.  My parents live a stones throw from Kennesaw and their neighborhood is like a UN delegation.  Much to Dent Meyer's (and other Neanderthals) chagrin, Cobb County isn't a lily white area anymore.
 
2013-11-20 11:25:36 AM  
I just hope the new stadium looks good on TV, since that's how I watch the games.
 
2013-11-20 11:42:39 AM  

Rapmaster2000: The point of the stadium is that they can get more money out of Cobb County government than they can get out of Atlanta.  They will get more for parking, concessions, and for the actual stadium itself.  They are literally getting $300M straight cash (as of now) and are responsible for zero of the interest on that.  Nobody can or wants to match that.  That's why it's not in Doraville (because people keep asking this).

They'll have around 20% less seats, but it doesn't really matter.   The money is in TV contracts now.   The Braves have a smaller contract than the Brewers.  The renegotiation of that will make them profitable.

If Cobb County wants to show everyone how they can do it better than the city, then I say more power to them.  I look forward to attending a game, preferably on a weekend.  There's no way I'm driving up to Cobb County on a workday.


pretty much all of this

I told my wife that (if this goes through) I'm waiting for the Friday night there's a Braves game, a concert at Chastain and a big event at Six Flags - it would be a race to see if the traffic would hit North Carolina or Alabama first.
 
2013-11-20 11:43:36 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I just hope the new stadium looks good on TV, since that's how I watch the games.


I'm sure it will. I know it will look good from my office building which will be a five minute drive away
 
2013-11-20 12:37:46 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I just hope the new stadium looks good on TV, since that's how I watch the games.


If the Pics from the Vagina stadium were true it's going to look like a puckering butthole from above.
 
2013-11-20 12:40:13 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: johnny_vegas: flak attack: johnny_vegas: well at least the homogeneous white redneck fan base won't have to put up with as many black people right?

You do realize that Cobb is only ~55% white, right?

i think its closer to 60+% and regardless, as opposed to atlanta??

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/13067.html

While alone (non Hispanic) is 55.4%.

Black people tend to hang out around Powder Springs.  The area where the stadium is proposed is mostly Hispanic.  My parents live a stones throw from Kennesaw and their neighborhood is like a UN delegation.  Much to Dent Meyer's (and other Neanderthals) chagrin, Cobb County isn't a lily white area anymore.


thanks I had only looked at the first line, white alone 66%
 
2013-11-20 12:43:14 PM  

johnny_vegas: mikeray: The smell of urine on the way to the 30 minute walk to the stadium will be missed.

when did we start talking about the Phillies Cubs?


The best part about going to a Cubs game is riding the Red Line to the Belmont stop and then bar hopping up Sheffield and Clark to Wrigley. I've literally been so buzzed by the time I got into the ballpark I use the gametime to drink water and soda to sober up.
 
2013-11-20 01:22:04 PM  

mjohnson71: The best part about going to a Cubs game is riding the Red Line to the Belmont stop and then bar hopping up Sheffield and Clark to Wrigley. I've literally been so buzzed by the time I got into the ballpark I use the gametime to drink water and soda to sober up.


That's stupid. You're wasting prime gettin'-drunk-and-actin'-like-an-ass time.
 
2013-11-20 01:24:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: mjohnson71: The best part about going to a Cubs game is riding the Red Line to the Belmont stop and then bar hopping up Sheffield and Clark to Wrigley. I've literally been so buzzed by the time I got into the ballpark I use the gametime to drink water and soda to sober up.

That's stupid. You're wasting prime gettin'-drunk-and-actin'-like-an-ass time.


My name isn't Chad.
 
2013-11-20 01:55:38 PM  
Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but I really think that a pro team ought not call themselves the $PLACE $NICKNAMEs if they don't play their home games within the political boundaries of $PLACE.  It's just a misrepresentation of fact, plain and simple.  False advertising, if you will.

So if the Braves want to move to Cobb County, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to claim Atlanta-ness any more.  Likewise, the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, and Islanders would be fine, since all of them play within the boundaries of New York City and/or NY State, but the pro football teams would have to change.  In particular, I think the names "New Jersey Gnats" and "New Jersey Jorts" are actually quite representative of the state, and thus quite appropriate.
 
2013-11-20 02:14:34 PM  

Robo Beat: I think the names "New Jersey Gnats" and "New Jersey Jorts" are actually quite representative of the state, and thus quite appropriate.


The Joisey Guidos
 
2013-11-20 02:42:40 PM  

Robo Beat: Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but I really think that a pro team ought not call themselves the $PLACE $NICKNAMEs if they don't play their home games within the political boundaries of $PLACE.  It's just a misrepresentation of fact, plain and simple.  False advertising, if you will.

So if the Braves want to move to Cobb County, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to claim Atlanta-ness any more.  Likewise, the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, and Islanders would be fine, since all of them play within the boundaries of New York City and/or NY State, but the pro football teams would have to change.  In particular, I think the names "New Jersey Gnats" and "New Jersey Jorts" are actually quite representative of the state, and thus quite appropriate.


The new stadium is in Atlanta and has an Atlanta address.
 
2013-11-20 02:46:50 PM  

dukeblue219: mikeray: Or having their car stolen or being assaulted or robbed at gunpoint. Having to park in some thugs grandmothers backyard will be a greatly missed.

I lived in Atlanta from 2004-2010. Am I the only one that never had trouble parking for Braves games? I've seen this mentioned repeatedly, but I thought they had plenty of parking in the official lots. It was either $10 or $12... can't exactly remember... but it seemed affordable and available at the time.

That said, the area around the stadium IS terrible, no argument there, and more power to them if they can create an environment on par with other stadiums around the country.


Nobody has trouble finding parking that's not the issue. The issue is that for the good of the business they need to own their own stadium and parking. The business model for a professional sports team has changed drastically since 1997 and this is just a product of that change.

A team like the Braves who's previous owner screwed them out of 20 years of TV money to line his own pockets needs to explore as many revenue streams as possible.
 
2013-11-20 02:50:27 PM  
And not only did Ted screw them out of 20 years of TV money but the stadium is still named after him after he crippled the franchise. That place just needs to go. Its time to start over in the nice part of Atlanta.
 
2013-11-20 03:48:32 PM  

azwethnkweiz: A team like the Braves who's previous owner screwed them out of 20 years of TV money to line his own pockets needs to explore as many revenue streams as possible.


Ted was the best owner they ever had. The 90s dominance wouldn't have been without him.
 
2013-11-20 03:56:06 PM  

azwethnkweiz: Robo Beat: Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but I really think that a pro team ought not call themselves the $PLACE $NICKNAMEs if they don't play their home games within the political boundaries of $PLACE.  It's just a misrepresentation of fact, plain and simple.  False advertising, if you will.

So if the Braves want to move to Cobb County, that's fine, but they shouldn't be able to claim Atlanta-ness any more.  Likewise, the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, and Islanders would be fine, since all of them play within the boundaries of New York City and/or NY State, but the pro football teams would have to change.  In particular, I think the names "New Jersey Gnats" and "New Jersey Jorts" are actually quite representative of the state, and thus quite appropriate.

The new stadium is in Atlanta and has an Atlanta address.


Incorrect.  It has an Atlanta address.  It falls under the jurisdiction of unincorporated Cobb County.

Emory is another place with an Atlanta address that is about a mile away from the actual city limits and is in unincorporated DeKalb County.
 
2013-11-20 05:45:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: The point of the stadium is that they can get more money out of Cobb County government than they can get out of Atlanta.


Like most intown people screaming, the real issue has always been control over money inside the stadium, the city was not allowing any of that to change and wanted to control it all, along with keeping the surrounding area a war zone with nothing developed or anything to draw fans to the area.

Rapmaster2000: Incorrect. It has an Atlanta address. It falls under the jurisdiction of unincorporated Cobb County.


Doesnt matter, its still an atlanta address, there are a lot of major sports franchises who do not play inside the city limits of their geographic name.
 
2013-11-20 05:57:03 PM  

steamingpile: Doesnt matter, its still an atlanta address, there are a lot of major sports franchises who do not play inside the city limits of their geographic name.


Hell, the Bills play some of their home games in an entirely different country!
 
2013-11-20 06:02:49 PM  
Subby obviously doesn't try to travel in I-75 in that area of Cobb, the entire interstate is a parking lot...
 
2013-11-20 06:04:38 PM  

jpo2269: Subby obviously doesn't try to travel in I-75 in that area of Cobb, the entire interstate is a parking lot...


Yes until around 7PM when people are heading home, most of their fans are coming from further up north and 75 south is easy to navigate against the rush hour traffic
 
2013-11-20 06:50:30 PM  

steamingpile: Rapmaster2000: The point of the stadium is that they can get more money out of Cobb County government than they can get out of Atlanta.

Like most intown people screaming, the real issue has always been control over money inside the stadium, the city was not allowing any of that to change and wanted to control it all, along with keeping the surrounding area a war zone with nothing developed or anything to draw fans to the area.


You realize that none of this disagrees with what I said.

Rapmaster2000: Incorrect. It has an Atlanta address. It falls under the jurisdiction of unincorporated Cobb County.

Doesnt matter, its still an atlanta address, there are a lot of major sports franchises who do not play inside the city limits of their geographic name.


No, it does matter.  The point is it isn't in Atlanta, GA any more than it's in Atlanta, IN.  Both cities have equal jurisdiction over a stadium in another jurisdiction.  If it "doesn't matter" then Kasim Reed would be involved as much as Jenny Beth Martin.  You can call it "Atlanta" as much as you call Buckhead "downtown Atlanta".  It doesn't change geography.

It's probably a rebranding attempt anyway away from the Indian iconography.  This will be the end of the Screaming Indian logo.
 
2013-11-20 11:37:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: You realize that none of this disagrees with what I said.


Actually it does in that its the city who shiat the bed with what they wouldnt give up since they gave those contracts to their buddies, you can argue it all you want but there is no change from the good old boy politics of the old south to the politics of the 70s-now Atlanta. It was wrong then and its wrong now, if you have a business relationship with a company they should be forbidden from bidding on contracts for city owned entities you have control or influence over.

Rapmaster2000: No, it does matter. The point is it isn't in Atlanta, GA any more than it's in Atlanta, IN. Both cities have equal jurisdiction over a stadium in another jurisdiction. If it "doesn't matter" then Kasim Reed would be involved as much as Jenny Beth Martin. You can call it "Atlanta" as much as you call Buckhead "downtown Atlanta". It doesn't change geography.

It's probably a rebranding attempt anyway away from the Indian iconography. This will be the end of the Screaming Indian logo.


So then NY doesnt have a football team any longer according to your thought process, Dallas as well, Miami, and quite a few others and LA no longer has a basketball team, I will let them know you say they can no longer claim their respective cities.

And nobody calls buckhead downtown, its north atlanta, then midtown, then downtown, oh isnt that where a girl was shot this morning on her way to work? A mile away from the Ted? Why on earth would they move from such a fine area?
 
2013-11-21 08:54:58 AM  

steamingpile: Rapmaster2000: You realize that none of this disagrees with what I said.

Actually it does in that its the city who shiat the bed with what they wouldnt give up since they gave those contracts to their buddies, you can argue it all you want but there is no change from the good old boy politics of the old south to the politics of the 70s-now Atlanta. It was wrong then and its wrong now, if you have a business relationship with a company they should be forbidden from bidding on contracts for city owned entities you have control or influence over.

Rapmaster2000: No, it does matter. The point is it isn't in Atlanta, GA any more than it's in Atlanta, IN. Both cities have equal jurisdiction over a stadium in another jurisdiction. If it "doesn't matter" then Kasim Reed would be involved as much as Jenny Beth Martin. You can call it "Atlanta" as much as you call Buckhead "downtown Atlanta". It doesn't change geography.

It's probably a rebranding attempt anyway away from the Indian iconography. This will be the end of the Screaming Indian logo.

So then NY doesnt have a football team any longer according to your thought process, Dallas as well, Miami, and quite a few others and LA no longer has a basketball team, I will let them know you say they can no longer claim their respective cities.

And nobody calls buckhead downtown, its north atlanta, then midtown, then downtown, oh isnt that where a girl was shot this morning on her way to work? A mile away from the Ted? Why on earth would they move from such a fine area?


LOL.  Hicks from the sticks hate the city so much that they can't ever stop comparing themselves to it.  Toast your good decision making tonight over an Xtreme Taco Tower tonight at Applebee's.
 
2013-11-21 10:57:39 AM  

Rapmaster2000: LOL. Hicks from the sticks hate the city so much that they can't ever stop comparing themselves to it. Toast your good decision making tonight over an Xtreme Taco Tower tonight at Applebee's.


No where near the sticks and personally we have discussed moving to New York or if we get job offers we would move to Paris in a heartbeat, the issue has and always will remain the city sucks at infrastructure.

When they tried to float proposals to expand marta they were talking about having stops every exit which is just moronic and saves very little time, if they wanted to actually expand the rail system they could have partnered with the state as was suggested to make mega parking decks and trains that have 3 stops max to get out to the far reaches of the burbs.

Marta rejected the proposal and would not entertain any other options, their reason? Because they would not be in charge of the entire rail line and give up some authority, which is why you have the shiatty rail lines in other major counties using state funds. I dont hate the city but they do not seem to recognize issues exist and they need to work to solve them instead of trying to keep power so much, it reminds me of when they tried to demolish the Fox years ago after they destroyed the old Carnegie library because they were symbols of the "old south". You cant change history by tearing down structure you dont like.
 
2013-11-21 12:01:19 PM  

steamingpile: Rapmaster2000: LOL. Hicks from the sticks hate the city so much that they can't ever stop comparing themselves to it. Toast your good decision making tonight over an Xtreme Taco Tower tonight at Applebee's.

No where near the sticks and personally we have discussed moving to New York or if we get job offers we would move to Paris in a heartbeat, the issue has and always will remain the city sucks at infrastructure.

When they tried to float proposals to expand marta they were talking about having stops every exit which is just moronic and saves very little time, if they wanted to actually expand the rail system they could have partnered with the state as was suggested to make mega parking decks and trains that have 3 stops max to get out to the far reaches of the burbs.

Marta rejected the proposal and would not entertain any other options, their reason? Because they would not be in charge of the entire rail line and give up some authority, which is why you have the shiatty rail lines in other major counties using state funds. I dont hate the city but they do not seem to recognize issues exist and they need to work to solve them instead of trying to keep power so much, it reminds me of when they tried to demolish the Fox years ago after they destroyed the old Carnegie library because they were symbols of the "old south". You cant change history by tearing down structure you dont like.


Paris!  New York!  Movie stars!  Caviar!
 
2013-11-21 08:28:57 PM  

Rapmaster2000: steamingpile: Rapmaster2000: LOL. Hicks from the sticks hate the city so much that they can't ever stop comparing themselves to it. Toast your good decision making tonight over an Xtreme Taco Tower tonight at Applebee's.

No where near the sticks and personally we have discussed moving to New York or if we get job offers we would move to Paris in a heartbeat, the issue has and always will remain the city sucks at infrastructure.

When they tried to float proposals to expand marta they were talking about having stops every exit which is just moronic and saves very little time, if they wanted to actually expand the rail system they could have partnered with the state as was suggested to make mega parking decks and trains that have 3 stops max to get out to the far reaches of the burbs.

Marta rejected the proposal and would not entertain any other options, their reason? Because they would not be in charge of the entire rail line and give up some authority, which is why you have the shiatty rail lines in other major counties using state funds. I dont hate the city but they do not seem to recognize issues exist and they need to work to solve them instead of trying to keep power so much, it reminds me of when they tried to demolish the Fox years ago after they destroyed the old Carnegie library because they were symbols of the "old south". You cant change history by tearing down structure you dont like.

Paris!  New York!  Movie stars!  Caviar!


Culture, Atlanta has none.
 
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