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(Opposing Views)   Eight-year-old girl divorces her 14-year-old husband. No, it's not two people born on Leap Day, it's two Indian children whose rocky marriage has resulted in a family feud   (opposingviews.com) divider line 12
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2013-11-20 09:29:56 AM
2 votes:
The divorce came about via the girl's father - he finally woke up to the cruelty. Posting this below for the benefit of the trolls above who are acting like the girl's feelings are irrelevant because 'its a tradition in their country' bs.

ftfa:
(the girl's father) Anil said he wanted the girl to wait until she was 18 before leaving.

He said: 'I finally realised that this practice of marrying off daughters so young was wrong and that she should have a childhood, and that it was my duty to provide that.'

link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic le-2509909/Indian-girl-8-divorce s -husband-14-father-regrets-marriage-4. html

/If you wouldn't want to be a kid sold to a stranger, why would you allow it to happen to others?
//And if you're not willing to let me put you up for sale on Craigslist4HouseholdSlaves then you can't declare that 'tradition' should allow you to look the other way when it happens to someone else.
2013-11-20 09:14:33 AM
2 votes:
Fark India. There are few places I want to visit less and all of them are covered in a lot less feces.
2013-11-20 09:00:44 AM
2 votes:

mediablitz: Weird typo's everywhere. So many people can't count.

Headline says 8 year old and 14 year old. So does the story. Anyone have their real ages, cuz that shiat CAN'T be true.


In India? Wanna bet?

In my teens, I had two Chinese friends whose parents were immigrants. Both girls were expected to go back to China at 18 to be married to the men to whom their marriages had been arranged when they were born. Their brothers had done the same at 18--returned to China to marry the women to whom their marriages had been arranged when they were born. (The boys and the girl of one family simply shrugged and said "this is what we do." The other girl, a bit younger and more Americanized, railed against the unfairness of it. Personally, I wouldn't--and don't--necessarily like it, but I don't necessarily see it as farked up--it is the culture of another nation. What is, is. So long as people are responsible and don't do what the boy's parents did here--sending a child off to marry a child, and wait until both parties in the arrangement are of legal age, I'm not about to judge another culture when ours has the highest rate of incarceration, ranks towards the middle to bottom in education, and has people going door to door to proselytize because GAWD WILLS IT!)

In some parts of Asia, it is still the cultural norm to arrange marriages for children as young as birth--though in many places, it is customary to at least wait to actually have the ceremony/claim the bride until she is at least considered an adult. Yes, dletter, sometimes wrong is just wrong... so take a look around you: when a group of white athletes can lose their reputation, education, and possibly careers based on a false story of a black woman; when little girls can be bullied and harassed after being raped and left for dead by members of the football team and their mothers can be fired and their homes burned down because they reported it and fought for justice, when kids can be beaten or neglected to the point that they die and their murderers don't get so much as a summons to appear, when people can go to jail for the crime of being black or hispanic while in a cop's presence but not have actually broken the law, when LGBTQ folks can get harassed and beaten to death as they walk down a small town street (it does still happen in our country, it's not just Russia) and when anyone is free to marry whomever they love in the United States, nationwide, and when I can no longer see "n****r, s**c, w*****k and farkin j*w on facebook first thing in the morning in the United States from so-called patriots "fighting for our way of life and the founding fathers"... then you have the right to be outraged about someone else's culture. Once you correct and take a stand about the farked up shiat in our own culture, you can get pissed about Asian culture--which is far older than our own.
2013-11-19 11:58:16 PM
2 votes:
Hey, it is 8 and 14 instead of 8 and 40, so, I guess that's progress (?)
2013-11-20 02:50:08 PM
1 votes:

pho75: It's not as though the girl was sold in to sexual slavery. It was an arranged marriage, which was likely done for some economic benefit.


And, as a wife, she'll be expected to submit to her husband's sexual advances, whether or not she's interested... (The horny little farker came around at 14 in an attempt to "claim" her when she was just 8, meaning he intended to rape the shiat out of an 8-year-old girl!!) How is that so different from sexual slavery again?
2013-11-20 09:19:17 AM
1 votes:

pho75: dletter: Some people want to say "Well, we can't judge societies that are not ours".... b.s., sometimes, wrong is just wrong.

On what basis do you proclaim these apparent moral certanties? The notion that all people are created equal and are born with inalienable rights is, in the relm of things, a fairly new idea. Indeed, America was founded on that idea and yet 200 years later we still struggle to bring it to fruition in practice. Why then should we condem and attack other cultures who might appear "behind the times," especially when they live in places where the culture is so vastly different than our own. While I don't subscribe to moral relativism completely, I don't buy the notion that one culture is "better" than another simply because it proclaims to provide greater "rights" to all persons.

I think you have to ask yourself - what is the purpose of a culture and the purpose of marriage? If arranged marriages fulfull a valid purpose, then why should they be banned? If it is an issue of age, then at what age does it become appropriate? Or are you of the belief that it is never appropriate to have an arranged marriage?

I don't want to sound like I am defending the practice in this case, as I would never wish to see such behavior in my own society. But I don't see how it is appropriate or wise to make judgements about they way other people live their lives. I don't see how it is appropriate to proclaim that this is "morally wrong." It's not as though the girl was sold in to sexual slavery. It was an arranged marriage, which was likely done for some economic benefit. Which, again, is something that was commonplace throughout most of history. Did the practice stop because it was morally wrong, or because it was no longer economically necessary?


I base it on my personal belief that all people deserve to have a basic level of "free will".... there are a lot of customs that come from centuries or millenia old practices.... and this situation is probably from an area that is closer to 1813 than 2013 in how "modern" the thinking of the society is, so, I get that, yes, you do have some of that to combat.    It still doesn't mean that this type of thing should not try to be discouraged in this "day and age".

And saying things have been "common throughout history" is not a litmus test for the validity of something, I don't think I have to go list off the beliefs and practices that we'd still have going on if that was the reason to keep them going.
2013-11-20 08:32:01 AM
1 votes:

pho75: Terlis: It's a sick practice that should have been stopped years ago.

Why is it "sick"? It is certainly different, but historically it was not uncommon. I don't approve of it personally, but I don't see a basis to proclaim that it is sick or somehow morally wrong. Given the problems in our own society, I see no reason to blast people who view the world differently. I certainly don't see a basis to proclaim this a women's rights issue - the "husband" too was just a child. Everyone needs to just get a bit of perspective before running around like chicken little proclaiming that the practices of other cultures are "sick."


I have no problem proclaiming that marrying off your kids (of either sex) when they are 8 is just plain wrong..... or your King requiring all of the 13 year old girls to come dance naked for him so he can pick out his next wife.  Or stoning a woman to death because she showed skin above her ankle in public.  And as much as you want to try to whitewash it, 99% of these "rules/laws" are to mute down anybody who is not a straight male of the religion that the majority approves of in that country, which means they predominantly try to subdue women.

Some people want to say "Well, we can't judge societies that are not ours".... b.s., sometimes, wrong is just wrong.
2013-11-20 08:17:50 AM
1 votes:

Terlis: It's a sick practice that should have been stopped years ago.


Why is it "sick"? It is certainly different, but historically it was not uncommon. I don't approve of it personally, but I don't see a basis to proclaim that it is sick or somehow morally wrong. Given the problems in our own society, I see no reason to blast people who view the world differently. I certainly don't see a basis to proclaim this a women's rights issue - the "husband" too was just a child. Everyone needs to just get a bit of perspective before running around like chicken little proclaiming that the practices of other cultures are "sick."
2013-11-20 07:30:28 AM
1 votes:

mediablitz: Weird typo's everywhere. So many people can't count.

Headline says 8 year old and 14 year old. So does the story. Anyone have their real ages, cuz that shiat CAN'T be true.


Child marriages happen in some parts of the world, dude.

/doesn't really mean they are screwing. Think of it as an early arrangement.
2013-11-20 06:52:37 AM
1 votes:

mediablitz: Headline says 8 year old and 14 year old. So does the story. Anyone have their real ages, cuz that shiat CAN'T be true.


Unfortunately, these ages are probably true.  My company hires a number of H1B visa workers from India. (IT development)  I've had a number of guys tell me that the minute they go back to India, their family will want them to marry the woman that was pick out for them before he turned 18.  And the women that are here in the States have it even worse, depending on which part of India they are from.  Only reason they are allowed to come to the States is to help pay for the dowry that their dad promised his neighbor 10 years before.

It's a sick practice that should have been stopped years ago.
2013-11-20 06:19:08 AM
1 votes:
While 8 year olds can be difficult at times, if they aren't spoiled by their parents they are typically very sweet and loving.

My son is 8 and there's a huge variety personalities among his friends. But the sweet kids are really sweet.
2013-11-20 12:00:22 AM
1 votes:
easy enough to fix
kill the parents
put the kids in orphanages

tada

do that enough and you will wipe out the problem
 
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