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2013-11-19 05:53:45 PM
to be fair, she was insulting their core audience.
 
2013-11-19 05:55:46 PM
Did she include race pimps as well?
 
2013-11-19 05:58:59 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Did she include race pimps as well?


Andrew Breitbart is already dead.
 
2013-11-19 06:00:05 PM
i51.tinypic.com

/oblig
 
2013-11-19 06:03:35 PM

Sgt Otter: Andrew Breitbart is already dead


And shiatty Sharpton is still alive.
 
2013-11-19 06:08:28 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Sgt Otter: Andrew Breitbart is already dead

And shiatty Sharpton is still alive.


You can always count on Dancin_in_Anson to bring confirmation bias into the conversation. Staying on topic? IMPOSSIBLE!

"What about the black guy!?!?!"
 
2013-11-19 06:12:17 PM

mediablitz: Staying on topic? IMPOSSIBLE!


Then why don't you? I am completely on topic. Naturally you have a problem with this.
 
2013-11-19 06:13:26 PM
Is that an real article?  It didn't actually include any quotes from Oprah Winfrey (other than the one word "die) and it didn't include any quotes from any of the people at Fox News.

But it did have links.

The first one I clicked showed Oprah saying "When the senator yelled out 'you're a liar'".  Oh really?  He mouthed those words.  He didn't yell them.  WTF?  And all of a sudden, she's worried about the "respect for the office"?

Just because people disagree with or criticize Obama does not mean it's based in racism.  Like him or not, there are things which people would disagree with Obama on even if he were whiter than Snow White.

It's not always about race and as long as people like Oprah continue to stoke that fire they will only increase racism.
 
2013-11-19 06:17:55 PM
I don't like his white side either so I must not be a racist.

All others should be ashamed.
 
2013-11-19 06:23:38 PM
Fox News confirming once again that the only thing worse than racism is a white person being accused of it.
 
2013-11-19 06:28:01 PM
i remember the time dancin_in_anson spent hours and hours and hours trying to claim there was nothing racist about using the curious george monkey on an anti-obama t-shirt. he revels in his racism
 
2013-11-19 06:31:02 PM

gfid: Is that an real article?  It didn't actually include any quotes from Oprah Winfrey (other than the one word "die) and it didn't include any quotes from any of the people at Fox News.

But it did have links.

The first one I clicked showed Oprah saying "When the senator yelled out 'you're a liar'".  Oh really?  He mouthed those words.  He didn't yell them.  WTF?  And all of a sudden, she's worried about the "respect for the office"?

Just because people disagree with or criticize Obama does not mean it's based in racism.  Like him or not, there are things which people would disagree with Obama on even if he were whiter than Snow White.

It's not always about race and as long as people like Oprah continue to stoke that fire they will only increase racism.


which senator are you taking about?
 
2013-11-19 06:31:40 PM
/talking
 
2013-11-19 06:34:56 PM

gfid: Just because people disagree with or criticize Obama does not mean it's based in racism.


Correct!

gfid: It's not always about race and as long as people like Oprah continue to stoke that fire they will only increase racism


Correct! Not always = sometimes yes. You're agreeing with Oprah. Progress!
 
2013-11-19 06:43:16 PM

21-7-b: i remember the time dancin_in_anson spent hours and hours and hours trying to claim there was nothing racist about using the curious george monkey on an anti-obama t-shirt


I remember that too. I posted a set of pictures of Bush set next to monkeys  and the same set with Obama. You said that you were offended by only set one because you think only black people  look like monkeys.
 
2013-11-19 06:47:30 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: 21-7-b: i remember the time dancin_in_anson spent hours and hours and hours trying to claim there was nothing racist about using the curious george monkey on an anti-obama t-shirt

I remember that too. I posted a set of pictures of Bush set next to monkeys  and the same set with Obama. You said that you were offended by only set one because you think only black people  look like monkeys.


Or, y'know, the history of directly comparing black people to monkeys both in cultural, racial humor and in literally saying black people are biologically closer to monkeys than white people. But that's historical context that informs race relations today, and as we've seen you're basically shiat at context.
 
2013-11-19 06:50:24 PM

Bloody William: Or, y'know, the history of directly comparing black people to monkeys both in cultural, racial humor and in literally saying black people are biologically closer to monkeys than white people. But that's historical context that informs race relations today, and as we've seen you're basically shiat at context.


Calling Marty McFly "yellow" and calling Michelle Malkin "yellow" is the same thing because the words are the same.
 
2013-11-19 06:59:34 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: Or, y'know, the history of directly comparing black people to monkeys both in cultural, racial humor and in literally saying black people are biologically closer to monkeys than white people. But that's historical context that informs race relations today, and as we've seen you're basically shiat at context.

So you think so too eh? Keep fanning the flames. It's the only way to put out the fire. Hell of a plan.


That's a pretty awful analogy. So you're basically shiat at context and analogies.

Calling Bush a monkey is a direct insult taken at face value. Calling black people monkeys, or any single black person a monkey, is an insult colored by a length history of rhetoric supporting actual oppression and discrimination against an entire race.
 
2013-11-19 07:04:13 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Keep fanning the flames. It's the only way to put out the fire.


Better to ignore the flames completely!

You can't even acknowledge that a fire exists. That ensures nothing will ever change. And as a white person, the status quo is advantageous to you. And me. The difference being I admit a fire exists.
 
2013-11-19 07:05:48 PM

21-7-b: which senator are you taking about?


Obviously not Joe Wilson...Since I posted that comment I did hear what he said - which quite possibly could fairly be argued to have yelled.  I must have been asleep that week.

I thought she was referring to another legislator who only mouthed those words.

At any rate, I don't think this is all motivated by race.  Republicans never stopped their attacks on Bill Clinton while he was in office during the '90s and I'm pretty sure Clinton was white.

I do think it's possible to criticize Obama or to disagree with him without being racist though and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".
 
2013-11-19 07:06:52 PM

gfid: and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".


Which Oprah didn't do.

gfid: I do think it's possible to criticize Obama or to disagree with him without being racist


Again, you and Oprah agree.
 
2013-11-19 07:15:23 PM

gfid: I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".


Something that is primarily occurring in the fevered brains of republicans.
 
2013-11-19 07:20:54 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Sgt Otter: Andrew Breitbart is already dead

And shiatty Sharpton is still alive.


I finally agree with you on something! It's a Thanksgivikah Miracle!
 
2013-11-19 07:25:44 PM

gfid: 21-7-b: which senator are you taking about?

Obviously not Joe Wilson...Since I posted that comment I did hear what he said - which quite possibly could fairly be argued to have yelled.  I must have been asleep that week.

I thought she was referring to another legislator who only mouthed those words.

At any rate, I don't think this is all motivated by race.  Republicans never stopped their attacks on Bill Clinton while he was in office during the '90s and I'm pretty sure Clinton was white.

I do think it's possible to criticize Obama or to disagree with him without being racist though and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".


if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week. perhaps you should check whether anything has happened during your prolonged slumber before coming out and calling someone a liar

of course it is possible to objectively find fault with obama, but a cursory glance at any message board where right-wing comments abound demonstrates the racist undertone to the debate
 
2013-11-19 07:27:46 PM

21-7-b: gfid: 21-7-b: which senator are you taking about?

Obviously not Joe Wilson...Since I posted that comment I did hear what he said - which quite possibly could fairly be argued to have yelled.  I must have been asleep that week.

I thought she was referring to another legislator who only mouthed those words.

At any rate, I don't think this is all motivated by race.  Republicans never stopped their attacks on Bill Clinton while he was in office during the '90s and I'm pretty sure Clinton was white.

I do think it's possible to criticize Obama or to disagree with him without being racist though and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".

if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week. perhaps you should check whether anything has happened during your prolonged slumber before coming out and calling someone a liar

of course it is possible to objectively find fault with obama, but a cursory glance at any message board where right-wing comments abound demonstrates the racist undertone to the debate


Undertones is an understatement. Some of them are just out and out racist.
 
2013-11-19 07:28:40 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: gfid: and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".

Which Oprah didn't do.


It was kind of hard to tell what she actually said since the Huff-Po piece didn't actually quote her.  The clips from that BBC interview which were included in the Fox News pieces did certainly seem to suggest that she though Obama was unfairly criticized because of his skin color though.

Uh, yeah - I just re-watched that, and that's exactly what she said - some of the criticism of Obama is simply because he is an African-American.  ("Just the level of disrespect") as if every president who ever served has never been criticized in our country's entire history.

Okay, she didn't say all criticism of Obama was due to his skin color, but she seems to believe a significant portion of it is.  You know, some of us are getting a little sick of this bullshiat.  We don't hire a black guy for a job.  Queue EEOC complaint in 3, 2, 1.  Anytime a black person gets into a disagreement with a white person, the race card gets played early on.  It's not always the case.  Sometimes black people are unqualified for certain jobs.  Sometimes they're assholes.  That's not to say white people can't be racist, but that's not always the case and Oprah is playing the race card hard in that interview.

Oprah is a little too full of herself.  Remember hearing about the "angry white man"?  Well, Oprah is the "angry black woman" and she is one of the richest most privileged people in our country.  She has no idea what it's like to be discriminated against.  If something doesn't go her way, she thinks it's racist and the truth is it's probably not.
 
2013-11-19 07:33:33 PM

gfid: Okay, she didn't say all criticism of Obama was due to his skin color, but she seems to believe a significant portion of it is.  You know, some of us are getting a little sick of this bullshiat.  We don't hire a black guy for a job.  Queue EEOC complaint in 3, 2, 1.  Anytime a black person gets into a disagreement with a white person, the race card gets played early on.  It's not always the case.  Sometimes black people are unqualified for certain jobs.  Sometimes they're assholes.  That's not to say white people can't be racist, but that's not always the case and Oprah is playing the race card hard in that interview.


You and Oprah agree. I'm not sure what all the blustering is about.
 
2013-11-19 07:47:13 PM

21-7-b: if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week.


No, I just don't watch Rachel Maddow every day.  I'm sure she milked that for a long time.  And I sort of do remember it vaguely now that I re-watched it..  I just didn't think it was racially motivated or a big deal.  I actually thought she was referring to Justice Alito mouthing "Not true" during a SOTU address.  The press tried to make that into a huge scandal.  Sometimes I just can't be bothered with such nonsense and if you've ever heard the fable about the boy who called wolf, you might understand why it was easily forgotten.

And Obama was lying and that was over 4 years ago anyway.

Unfortunately we've come to expect that from our politicians, white, black, male or female most of them are liars and all liars have one thing in common.  They are selfish.
 
2013-11-19 07:50:17 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: You and Oprah agree. I'm not sure what all the blustering is about.


You keep saying this.  What is the quote where she agrees with me?

It's odd that Huff-Po (and you) seem afraid to repeat what she actually said.
 
2013-11-19 07:58:00 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: remember that too. I posted a set of pictures of Bush set next to monkeys  and the same set with Obama. You said that you were offended by only set one because you think only black people  look like monkeys.


You're not really that stupid, are you?
 
2013-11-19 07:58:26 PM

gfid: 21-7-b: if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week.

No, I just don't watch Rachel Maddow every day.  I'm sure she milked that for a long time.  And I sort of do remember it vaguely now that I re-watched it..  I just didn't think it was racially motivated or a big deal.  I actually thought she was referring to Justice Alito mouthing "Not true" during a SOTU address.  The press tried to make that into a huge scandal.  Sometimes I just can't be bothered with such nonsense and if you've ever heard the fable about the boy who called wolf, you might understand why it was easily forgotten.

And Obama was lying and that was over 4 years ago anyway.

Unfortunately we've come to expect that from our politicians, white, black, male or female most of them are liars and all liars have one thing in common.  They are selfish.


Here's the thing you might want to consider. Obama is the the first black president. I know it's the race card, but it's true and kind of a big deal from a historical perspective.

Now, name a policy or action that Obama has taken that Republicans agree with? Just one. Remember, your in the camp where bin Laden was captured because of Bush's efforts.

Seriously, judge appointees nominated by Obama? How many have been confirmed?

Now, show the same confrontation for any other administration. Clinton impeached for a blow job? Fine. Welfare reform with Gingrich? That happened.

Again, show where this intransigence has happened before.

You're party is quite silly.
 
2013-11-19 07:58:55 PM
www.todayifoundout.com
 
2013-11-19 08:02:23 PM

ManateeGag: 21-7-b: gfid: 21-7-b: which senator are you taking about?

Obviously not Joe Wilson...Since I posted that comment I did hear what he said - which quite possibly could fairly be argued to have yelled.  I must have been asleep that week.

I thought she was referring to another legislator who only mouthed those words.

At any rate, I don't think this is all motivated by race.  Republicans never stopped their attacks on Bill Clinton while he was in office during the '90s and I'm pretty sure Clinton was white.

I do think it's possible to criticize Obama or to disagree with him without being racist though and I don't think it helps to label any criticism of him as "racist".

if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week. perhaps you should check whether anything has happened during your prolonged slumber before coming out and calling someone a liar

of course it is possible to objectively find fault with obama, but a cursory glance at any message board where right-wing comments abound demonstrates the racist undertone to the debate

Undertones is an understatement. Some of them are just out and out racist.


51% of americans (79% of republicans) express explicit anti-black sentiment, according to an ap poll.
 
2013-11-19 08:02:39 PM

gfid: You keep saying this.  What is the quote where she agrees with me?

It's odd that Huff-Po (and you) seem afraid to repeat what she actually said.


There's a link to it article. You both agree racism is not always the case. She was acknowledging that with respect to the president, in some and maybe even many cases it is the case. And for that you've called her an angry black woman who has no idea what it's like to be discriminated against. Because she discussed racism. Because she stated her opinion on the subject. Because she answered a question she was asked. That's pretty f*cked up.
 
2013-11-19 08:02:52 PM
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2013-11-19 08:13:03 PM
To claim that all criticism of Obama is motivated by race is disingenuous. To claim that race plays no role is ridiculous.
 
2013-11-19 08:24:40 PM

gfid: 21-7-b: if you've missed the whole joe wilson thing you've been asleep for a lot longer than a week.

No, I just don't watch Rachel Maddow every day.  I'm sure she milked that for a long time.  And I sort of do remember it vaguely now that I re-watched it..  I just didn't think it was racially motivated or a big deal.  I actually thought she was referring to Justice Alito mouthing "Not true" during a SOTU address.  The press tried to make that into a huge scandal.  Sometimes I just can't be bothered with such nonsense and if you've ever heard the fable about the boy who called wolf, you might understand why it was easily forgotten.

And Obama was lying and that was over 4 years ago anyway.

Unfortunately we've come to expect that from our politicians, white, black, male or female most of them are liars and all liars have one thing in common.  They are selfish.


i didn't realize justice alito was a senator. i've never watched an episode of maddow in my life, and i was well aware of joe wilson's outburst

joe wilson thinks obama lied and so does american thinker, politifact doesn't

but this is a distraction. the question is about racism. you chose not to quote and respond to the part of my post that encouraged you to look on any message board where right-wing comments abound for evidence of racism. we are supposedly talking about racism here
 
2013-11-19 08:42:09 PM

djkutch: Here's the thing you might want to consider. Obama is the the first black president. I know it's the race card, but it's true and kind of a big deal from a historical perspective.

Now, name a policy or action that Obama has taken that Republicans agree with? Just one. Remember, your in the camp where bin Laden was captured because of Bush's efforts.

Seriously, judge appointees nominated by Obama? How many have been confirmed?

Now, show the same confrontation for any other administration. Clinton impeached for a blow job? Fine. Welfare reform with Gingrich? That happened.

Again, show where this intransigence has happened before.

You're party is quite silly.


lolwut?  Okay, I applaud Obama's role in taking down Bin Laden.  That's easy.  I know there are some who will say we encroached on Pakistan's sovereignty, but I think that was one of Obama's finest moments even if he wasn't right there in the helicopters with Seal Team 6.

I think that's something most will agree on.

And yeah, he's the first black president.  That in and of itself is a milestone in US history.  Since black people are still a minority in the US that tells us that a lot of white people voted for him too.  I'm not sure what your point is, but if it's that we're a country full of racists you couldn't have presented a better argument against that.

Judges?  Ever heard of Sotomayor or Kagan?  Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're both serving on the Supreme Court.

And I don't know if you were alive in the '90s, but Clinton's impeachment was a pretty big deal.  And you can call me crazy, but I also think it was largely politically instead of racially motivated.  It's so obvious that you even brought it up.

You're party is quite silly

LOL. Okay, sometimes I make silly mistakes too so I won't hammer on you about using "you're" instead of "your", but I will come down on you hard for assuming I'm a Republican and I will severely chastise you for linking to Al Sharpton.  Look, talking loudly doesn't make your point any more valid Reverend Sharpton is a blowhard idiot and Reagan hasn't been in office sine the '80s and he's awfully dead by now anyway.

I don't vote based upon party affiliation and you shouldn't either, but the ballots I've cast have almost always have more Democrat circles filled in that Republicans.  I'm also not afraid to vote for 3rd parties if I think their candidate is better than the Dems or Republicans.
 
2013-11-19 08:42:26 PM
There are certainly some people who do not care for Mr. Obama's race, but I doubt those same people would be swooning over his policies if he were a white guy.
 
2013-11-19 08:45:13 PM

gfid: djkutch: Here's the thing you might want to consider. Obama is the the first black president. I know it's the race card, but it's true and kind of a big deal from a historical perspective.

Now, name a policy or action that Obama has taken that Republicans agree with? Just one. Remember, your in the camp where bin Laden was captured because of Bush's efforts.

Seriously, judge appointees nominated by Obama? How many have been confirmed?

Now, show the same confrontation for any other administration. Clinton impeached for a blow job? Fine. Welfare reform with Gingrich? That happened.

Again, show where this intransigence has happened before.

You're party is quite silly.

lolwut?  Okay, I applaud Obama's role in taking down Bin Laden.  That's easy.  I know there are some who will say we encroached on Pakistan's sovereignty, but I think that was one of Obama's finest moments even if he wasn't right there in the helicopters with Seal Team 6.

I think that's something most will agree on.

And yeah, he's the first black president.  That in and of itself is a milestone in US history.  Since black people are still a minority in the US that tells us that a lot of white people voted for him too.  I'm not sure what your point is, but if it's that we're a country full of racists you couldn't have presented a better argument against that.

Judges?  Ever heard of Sotomayor or Kagan?  Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're both serving on the Supreme Court.

And I don't know if you were alive in the '90s, but Clinton's impeachment was a pretty big deal.  And you can call me crazy, but I also think it was largely politically instead of racially motivated.  It's so obvious that you even brought it up.

You're party is quite silly

LOL. Okay, sometimes I make silly mistakes too so I won't hammer on you about using "you're" instead of "your", but I will come down on you hard for assuming I'm a Republican and I will severely chastise you for linking to Al Sharpton.  Look, talking loudly doesn' ...


How "independent" of you.
 
2013-11-19 08:55:49 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: gfid: You keep saying this.  What is the quote where she agrees with me?

It's odd that Huff-Po (and you) seem afraid to repeat what she actually said.

There's a link to it article. You both agree racism is not always the case. She was acknowledging that with respect to the president, in some and maybe even many cases it is the case. And for that you've called her an angry black woman who has no idea what it's like to be discriminated against. Because she discussed racism. Because she stated her opinion on the subject. Because she answered a question she was asked. That's pretty f*cked up.


I didn't see any links where Oprah said racism was not always the root of disagreement with Obama.  Perhaps you can kindly provide me with what exactly she said.  Her exact words will work.
 
2013-11-19 09:00:42 PM

21-7-b: joe wilson thinks obama lied and so does american thinker, politifact doesn't


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obamas-health-care-speech/
 
2013-11-19 09:06:01 PM
This thread is and, I'm sure will continue to be, a great example of the phrase, "If you meet one asshole in a day, he's probably an asshole. If all you meet are assholes all day, you're probably the asshole," in action.
 
2013-11-19 09:09:24 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: This thread is and, I'm sure will continue to be, a great example of the phrase, "If you meet one asshole in a day, he's probably an asshole. If all you meet are assholes all day, you're probably the asshole," in action.


Or it's a convention

/but then you get those little HELLO MY NAME IS things
 
2013-11-19 09:13:02 PM

Nabb1: How "independent" of you.


I don't see how that is a bad thing.  Blindly voting straight party tickets just seems like a bad idea.  I actually want to hear what the people I vote for have to say on the issues and how they've voted in the past before I cast my ballot.

I used to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school when I was a kid.  I did not pledge allegiance to any particular political party.

It takes more time for me to vote than those who just look for a "D" or an "R" next to the candidates name, but it's worth it.  I suppose some people like you would prefer to see skin color listed as well,    That way you could be sure you didn't accidentally vote for any black people.
 
2013-11-19 09:17:08 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bareefer Obonghit: This thread is and, I'm sure will continue to be, a great example of the phrase, "If you meet one asshole in a day, he's probably an asshole. If all you meet are assholes all day, you're probably the asshole," in action.

Or it's a convention

/but then you get those little HELLO MY NAME IS things


And everyone puts things like "SLIM SHADY" or "NUNYA" on them.

/or Bareefer Obonghit
//I'm one of them
 
2013-11-19 09:19:38 PM
Did she say that old racists should fark off and die?

No?

Too bad... they should.
 
2013-11-19 09:20:51 PM

gfid: Nabb1: How "independent" of you.

I don't see how that is a bad thing.  Blindly voting straight party tickets just seems like a bad idea.  I actually want to hear what the people I vote for have to say on the issues and how they've voted in the past before I cast my ballot.

I used to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school when I was a kid.  I did not pledge allegiance to any particular political party.

It takes more time for me to vote than those who just look for a "D" or an "R" next to the candidates name, but it's worth it.  I suppose some people like you would prefer to see skin color listed as well,    That way you could be sure you didn't accidentally vote for any black people.


It's a joke. There are no "independents" on FARK, according to some. Just closet Republicans.
 
2013-11-19 09:21:56 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bareefer Obonghit: This thread is and, I'm sure will continue to be, a great example of the phrase, "If you meet one asshole in a day, he's probably an asshole. If all you meet are assholes all day, you're probably the asshole," in action.

Or it's a convention

/but then you get those little HELLO MY NAME IS things

And everyone puts things like "SLIM SHADY" or "NUNYA" on them.

/or Bareefer Obonghit
//I'm one of them


Well, at least my middle name IS Mutant

/or so I have been repeatedly told
//notably by my ex
 
2013-11-19 09:29:20 PM

gfid: "you're" instead of "your",


You became a grammar Nazi. And, you failed to respond to Reagan's actual words. Telling.

I give you the Supreme nominees. I would hope a third grader would understand those had to be done  Now account for the rest of judicial hold ups.

Clinton a big deal? It sure was. And his ratings then and now speak to how he is viewed. The point was that it was all white guys. You didn't mention welfare reform. I'm sorry that wasn't convenient for you.

bin Laden

The return of the Fark Independent voting for Democrats. A sight to behold.
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com


Thanks for bringing back a favorite.
 
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