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2013-11-19 04:33:34 PM
I had a dream about 1976 that I remembered for over 20 years as a real memory of something that totally happened. It didn't and there was an element to the dream that was obviously wrong, that I should have noticed the next day but because I was so certain that it happened I never even thought about it.
 
2013-11-19 06:51:34 PM
I had a dream the other night that my wife tried out the new soyaki sauce that she picked up. She said it was pretty good. Upon waking, I asked her if she'd tried the new soyaki sauce yet and she said that she hadn't.
 
2013-11-19 06:59:25 PM
Now I just need a way to convince Marilu Henner to "remember" that she and I agreed that I could come over and have sex with her whenever I wanted.
 
2013-11-19 07:01:24 PM
Clicks on link. Hits Control-F. Types in LOFTUS.

Yeeeeep.

/she's ma hero.
 
2013-11-19 07:17:58 PM
i125.photobucket.com

2 spooky
 
2013-11-19 07:40:57 PM
I remember this one time where I made a completely logical and rational post on fark and won an argument on the internet!
 
2013-11-19 07:50:12 PM
I'm still a virgin?
 
2013-11-19 08:09:32 PM
I'm pretty sure the things I remember happening happened. But I've forgotten plenty of the little things. But then again, life is mostly filler. 2013 will go down as filler. No new jobs or products, no new friends or romances, no new hobbies despite trying a few things.
 
2013-11-19 08:14:19 PM
Link is fooked. So I'll just pretend that this is relevant:

Every time you access a memory, it gets sifted through your current filters. So it changes, slightly. The more often you remember this thing, the more you screw up the memory.

/amnesiacs have the best memory.
 
2013-11-19 08:16:14 PM

wildcardjack: I'm pretty sure the things I remember happening happened. But I've forgotten plenty of the little things. But then again, life is mostly filler. 2013 will go down as filler. No new jobs or products, no new friends or romances, no new hobbies despite trying a few things.


If you don't remember a 7 foot clown his heart out then I pity your 2013, friend.
 
2013-11-19 08:18:19 PM
When you remember things, you're actually reconstructing most of the details around a few key hooks.

Relevant: http://theczardictates.blogspot.com/2013/11/on-fallibility-of-autobio g raphical.html

/Yes, I know: my blog sucks
 
2013-11-19 08:21:26 PM
This is exactly what I keep telling the women I've interfered with sexually.

Never convicted!
 
2013-11-19 08:56:24 PM
For decades I thought my first memory was being taken to see ostriches at a park. A while back found a photo of it, and noticed on the back it was my parents with holding my older cousin - two years before I was born. Presumably I had seen that picture when I was young and for some reason the brain decided to create a memory of it happening to me. It does make you wonder what else I think I remember happening that never did.
 
2013-11-19 08:58:34 PM
Interesting won out over obvious?

Having good recall =\= recording and perception(visual[and other senses] and mental perception of events)

Your play back works awesome, but your recording equipment and medium suck donkey balls.

It's like recording a song, but there is electromagnetic interference that you can't detect at the time.  It'll play back every time, but it was altered even as it was recorded.

Even great equipment is not immune to various forms of interference.
 
2013-11-19 09:06:22 PM

Evil High Priest: Link is fooked. So I'll just pretend that this is relevant:

Every time you access a memory, it gets sifted through your current filters. So it changes, slightly. The more often you remember this thing, the more you screw up the memory.

/amnesiacs have the best memory.


There was a good article on Fark that had the analogy that memory is less like a film and more like a script. Basically you reinterpret what happened every time you remember something.

Or maybe I just made that up. Who knows?
 
2013-11-19 09:22:20 PM
I can remember everything that never happened.
 
2013-11-19 09:31:01 PM
So you mean the Great Zombie Apocalypse of December 2012 didn't happen?
 
2013-11-19 09:34:52 PM
So in other words, politics in general.  Also your sexual history
 
2013-11-19 09:51:14 PM
Not surprising.  The brain maintains memories by connecting related memories.  Evolution likely favors the ability to retain memories but the chemistry of the brain doesn't know a real from a false memory.  The same characteristics that allow heightened memory retention aren't necessarily discriminating between true or contrived memories.
 
2013-11-19 09:54:13 PM

big pig peaches: There was a good article on Fark that had the analogy that memory is less like a film and more like a script. Basically you reinterpret what happened every time you remember something.


That's a much better analogy. You remember key slug lines and fabricate the details. As I mentioned upthread somewhere I can remember certain drives and other events around cars from back when I lived in England... except that my memory playback has me sitting on the left, driving on the right. Unless I make a conscious effort to correct, I don't play it back the way it certainly happened.
 
2013-11-19 10:07:23 PM

hogans: This is exactly what I keep telling the women I've interfered with sexually.

Never convicted!


I need to know more about what this is.
 
2013-11-19 10:13:15 PM

Evil High Priest: Link is fooked. So I'll just pretend that this is relevant:

Every time you access a memory, it gets sifted through your current filters. So it changes, slightly. The more often you remember this thing, the more you screw up the memory.

/amnesiacs have the best memory.


And there's a backwards old town that's often remembered, So many times that my memories are worn.
 
2013-11-19 10:27:03 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Also your sexual history


To some people, this is a good thing.
 
2013-11-19 10:47:31 PM
When I was 18 months old I stuck my mom's car keys in the electrical outlet and electrocuted myself.  For years this was my first 'memory' except I realized at some point that my vocabulary must've been incredible for an 18-month-old and I'm almost 100% certain at this point that I reconstructed the memory based on having heard the story.
 
2013-11-19 10:51:27 PM
Yeah, try telling my mother that.
 
2013-11-19 11:03:15 PM

grumpfuff: Smeggy Smurf: Also your sexual history

To some people, this is a good thing.


Who hasn't done somebody they would rather forget?  Snaggletooth McFatty and alcohol always seem to be hooking up
 
2013-11-19 11:34:32 PM
Ever feel like you've wandered into a parallel universe, where everything is exactly the same except for something that is different from the way you remember it. Now, it could just be that my memory is faulty, but I choose to believe that I'm fine and the rest of the universe is wrong.
 
2013-11-19 11:50:56 PM
There are so many things I remember that I wish I could forget. I don't meet the classification of hypermnesia, but I can recall lots of mundane things from many years ago. The other day I thanked an old friend for his gift of the two CD set Substance, by New Order. He received two of them from the record club, and gave me one. In late 1988. That's a good one, I don't mind that. Remembering the details of an awkward double date in late 1984? Yeah, that could go in the recycle bin. But it won't.

A false memory I realized I had: I saw Star Wars twice in 1977. You youngsters may not be aware, but back then movies would get stuck in vaults, and even if you wanted to see it, if it wasn't playing in a theater somewhere, tough titty. The summer of 1978, I read Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Star Wars, since that was the closest I could come to seeing the film. Years later, I thought that I remembered Obi Wan mentioning to Luke (when he met him, and gave him his father's light saber) "Even a duck needs to learn how to swim". As this is the only mention of an Earth animal, or really anything pertaining to Earth at all, I really noticed it. And I noticed that it wasn't in the scene whenever I saw the film later on. I thought maybe I'd seen an early release that had a scene that had been later deleted. But it turned out that this was only in Foster's novelization (same as Luke asking his friends about seeing the battle above them). I'd taken that line from the book, and grafted it into my memory of the film.

Oh, here's the actual quote: Obi-Wan: "Still, even a duck has to be taught to swim."
Luke: "What's a duck?"
Obi-Wan: "Never mind."
 
2013-11-20 12:06:35 AM

Repo Man: There are so many things I remember that I wish I could forget. I don't meet the classification of hypermnesia, but I can recall lots of mundane things from many years ago. The other day I thanked an old friend for his gift of the two CD set Substance, by New Order. He received two of them from the record club, and gave me one. In late 1988. That's a good one, I don't mind that. Remembering the details of an awkward double date in late 1984? Yeah, that could go in the recycle bin. But it won't.

A false memory I realized I had: I saw Star Wars twice in 1977. You youngsters may not be aware, but back then movies would get stuck in vaults, and even if you wanted to see it, if it wasn't playing in a theater somewhere, tough titty. The summer of 1978, I read Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Star Wars, since that was the closest I could come to seeing the film. Years later, I thought that I remembered Obi Wan mentioning to Luke (when he met him, and gave him his father's light saber) "Even a duck needs to learn how to swim". As this is the only mention of an Earth animal, or really anything pertaining to Earth at all, I really noticed it. And I noticed that it wasn't in the scene whenever I saw the film later on. I thought maybe I'd seen an early release that had a scene that had been later deleted. But it turned out that this was only in Foster's novelization (same as Luke asking his friends about seeing the battle above them). I'd taken that line from the book, and grafted it into my memory of the film.

Oh, here's the actual quote: Obi-Wan: "Still, even a duck has to be taught to swim."
Luke: "What's a duck?"
Obi-Wan: "Never mind."


A similar thing happened to me with ET.

I was too young to see ET in the theater. Just 1 year old. So I read the novelization first. As you know, we make images in our heads when we read, so I obviously made the movie in my head.

When I finally caught it on TV I was amazed that what I made up in my head was so close to what I was seeing and of course patted myself in the back for being a "genius". I was like 9.

When I got older I realized that I must have seen the movie earlier and didn't remember seeing it. Which explains why it played so similar in my head when i read the book.
 
2013-11-20 01:09:28 AM
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2013-11-20 01:37:44 AM
"Booker...your nose is bleeding..."
 
2013-11-20 02:04:07 AM
"What I love about the study is how it communicates something that memory distortion researchers have suspected for some time: that perhaps no one is immune to memory distortion," Patihis said.

I think the fact that 'memory distortion researcher' is a big enough field with enough people specializing in it and nothing else to have its own name probably communicates that even more thoroughly.

Not that this isn't an interesting null-result (about as interesting as "we didn't find anything" ever gets, honestly) the fact that human memory has amazing precision but really shiatty accuracy isn't really something new and dramatic in itself.

// Precision = how consistently you hit in the same place and accuracy = how close you get to what you actually are aiming at, if that metaphor is unclear to the people from places where shooting sports aren't common.
 
2013-11-20 02:15:15 AM
The inverse of this is called gaslighting: It's where you convince other people that they did something or that something happened and they don't remember, usually in an effort to sow suspicion, confusion, doubt and fear for the sake of some nefariously devious long-term scheme.

It's usually only successful in works of fiction, however.
 
2013-11-20 02:44:52 AM
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2013-11-20 07:23:34 AM
So there's a chance W was never actually president?

/phew
//had to inject a political jab into otherwise decent thread
 
2013-11-20 07:24:21 AM
I need to show this to my wife. I swear she slips into another dimension were bizarro me does shiat, then she comes back here and is pissed at me for it.
 
2013-11-20 08:26:18 AM

abhorrent1: I need to show this to my wife. I swear she slips into another dimension were bizarro me does shiat, then she comes back here and is pissed at me for it.


Do you ever have that thing where you dream about somebody doing something really annoying, and when you wake up you can't shake being angry at them even though you know they didn't actually do anything?
 
2013-11-20 11:04:48 AM

FarkingReading: So there's a chance W was never actually president?

/phew
//had to inject a political jab into otherwise decent thread


Yes, but in that reality, Palin is President now.
 
2013-11-20 11:51:25 AM

soporific: FarkingReading: So there's a chance W was never actually president?

/phew
//had to inject a political jab into otherwise decent thread

Yes, but in that reality, Palin is President now.


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