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(Richmond Times-Dispatch)   Virginia Senator Creigh Deeds' son had psych evaluation yesterday, but no psychiatric bed could be found for him in western Virginia   (timesdispatch.com) divider line 99
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2013-11-19 03:47:54 PM
I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.
 
2013-11-19 03:48:46 PM
Are there no iron gates? No restraint straps?
 
2013-11-19 03:49:37 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


Jesus is an option as well.

I hate to say that I called this as soon as the news broke. (The son being the attacker, that is)
 
2013-11-19 03:50:01 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


Or Jeebus.
 
2013-11-19 03:50:17 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


You're forgetting pills. Pills solve everything.
 
2013-11-19 03:51:34 PM
If they can't find you a bed, state law obligates them to give you a firearm.
 
2013-11-19 03:52:53 PM
FTFA: "Deeds won a special election in 2001 to fill the state Senate seat of Emily Couric, who died of cancer. The district extends from Charlottesville to the Alleghany Highlands and to the West Virginia line. It includes Bath - the third-least populous county in the commonwealth, with roughly 5,000 residents and no stoplights. "

So the jorb is CURSED and has no current way of generating traffic light income? Where do I sign up? Where can I make this popcorn?
 
2013-11-19 03:52:56 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


Someone just wasn't praying hard enough, cause prayer can cure all.
 
2013-11-19 03:53:36 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


You're forgetting taxes.  Big governments solve everything.
 
2013-11-19 03:53:54 PM
Big pharm says pills will solve all these issues. It's like putting them on leash then handing them the other end.
ok good luck out there. oh! and heres a gun permit
 
2013-11-19 03:54:04 PM

vygramul: If they can't find you a bed, state law obligates them to give you a firearm.


No. No. No. They said "saw off his arms" and at the last minute somebody didn't understand English.
 
2013-11-19 03:54:31 PM

J. Frank Parnell: You're forgetting pills. Pills solve everything.


Pills do a hell of a lot of good for severe mental illness. It's when you start medicating personality traits or childhood that they become a problem. Or when you rely on them entirely to make a really violently mentally ill person safe to be in society. No medication works perfectly forever.
 
2013-11-19 03:54:57 PM
I think it's called a "chaise lounge".
 
2013-11-19 03:56:18 PM

EdNortonsTwin: FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.

You're forgetting taxes.  Big governments solve everything.


Well...there might have been a bed available with proper funding. So yes. Yes that would have worked.
 
2013-11-19 03:56:29 PM

EdNortonsTwin: FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.

You're forgetting taxes.  Big governments solve everything.


This is correct, mental illness should be taxed at like 95% of total worth

/would generate hundreds if not thousands of dollars
 
2013-11-19 03:56:35 PM
I'm not ready to play politics with this one.

But give me time.  I'm sure I'll get there.
 
2013-11-19 03:57:26 PM
That's some shiat right there.  You try your best to get your kid some help, you get the court to rule in your favor and there are no beds.  So next thing you know your kid is stabbing you and then either shoots himself, or maybe the Senator had to shoot him.

Fark me this room is dusty.
 
2013-11-19 03:59:28 PM
I seem to remember something about President Reagan shutting down a bunch of mental hospitals at the end of his presidency and letting a bunch of severely disabled/dangerous people loose without access to adequate care or observation.  A couple of people who got let out of one of the state hospitals started burning down buildings in my town including the public library.  Maybe that was hasty?
 
2013-11-19 03:59:42 PM
Another life cut tragically short because of evil thetans. When will Lord Xenu's bloodlust be satiated.

Kids, you can avoid this. This horrible tragedy need not afflict you.

www.newhopefwb.com

WE SAVE LIVES.
 
2013-11-19 04:00:08 PM
Unfortunately there isn't a strong enough social drive to improve psychological and mental health care in the US. What with social stigmas, lack of understanding and preference to fund other things.
 
2013-11-19 04:00:26 PM
No beds? Not even a hospital psych ward (or makeshift one) for the short term while they figure shiat out? That is some piss-poor infrastructure. :/
 
2013-11-19 04:00:28 PM
Sad and Obvious tags bow their heads in mourning
 
2013-11-19 04:00:28 PM
So the Senator had them all campaigning on happy family values in 2009, dumps his wife in 2010 and marries someone else in 2012; plenty of potential for seething resentment to build up there if the son was a bit flaky to start with.
 
2013-11-19 04:01:29 PM
take two bootstraps and call me...uh... never.
 
2013-11-19 04:02:21 PM
Before this turns into a cesspool of whargarbl from both those who are for and against mental health reform and gun control, I hope everyone can pause and reflect on how this is a tragedy in the classic sense of the word. A crazed son turning violently on his father -- by all accounts a man who only wanted to help him.  That's a story as old as time.  Doesn't make it any less sad.

/you may now carry on with your regularly scheduled flamewar.
 
2013-11-19 04:02:26 PM

lennavan: That's some shiat right there.  You try your best to get your kid some help, you get the court to rule in your favor and there are no beds.  So next thing you know your kid is stabbing you and then either shoots himself, or maybe the Senator had to shoot him.

Fark me this room is dusty.


I know people will try to spin this for their own personal agenda (mental health, gun control, NRA supporter, Democrat, Republicans...)  but there are no winners in this story.
 
2013-11-19 04:03:23 PM

WizardofToast: Unfortunately there isn't a strong enough social drive to improve psychological and mental health care in the US. What with social stigmas, lack of understanding and preference to fund other things.


^^ This. And the fact that we have lobbyists (like the NRA) that freak out when any mention of mental health is mentioned. Because America...
 
2013-11-19 04:03:24 PM

lennavan: That's some shiat right there.


It certainly is. Horrible story. Gave me the chills.
 
2013-11-19 04:03:56 PM
Thank St. Reagan.

amidoingitright
 
2013-11-19 04:03:57 PM
Sofa King Smart: ..snip...

That would have been a fairly legendary simulpost right there.
 
2013-11-19 04:06:10 PM
Authorities said they were still working to determine precisely what happened as the events unfolded around 7:25 a.m. at the home of Deeds

I'm going with dad forgot to buy more Cinnamon Toast Crunch and the kid got stabby.
 
2013-11-19 04:07:09 PM
My guess is he did this because he knew he was about to be institutionalized.  If his institutionalization wasn't so imminent, he might not have done this.  But since it was just a matter of finding a bed, it was imminent for him and he decided on his own terms instead.
 
2013-11-19 04:07:43 PM

Charlie Chingas: WizardofToast: Unfortunately there isn't a strong enough social drive to improve psychological and mental health care in the US. What with social stigmas, lack of understanding and preference to fund other things.

^^ This. And the fact that we have lobbyists (like the NRA) that freak out when any mention of mental health is mentioned. Because America...


Aaaaaand, we're off!
 
2013-11-19 04:09:07 PM

blatz514: Authorities said they were still working to determine precisely what happened as the events unfolded around 7:25 a.m. at the home of Deeds

I'm going with dad forgot to buy more Cinnamon Toast Crunch and the kid got stabby.


Because he all he wanted was a Pepsi and they wouldn't give it to him... well, that's justifiable.
 
2013-11-19 04:09:35 PM

tetsoushima: I seem to remember something about President Reagan shutting down a bunch of mental hospitals at the end of his presidency and letting a bunch of severely disabled/dangerous people loose without access to adequate care or observation.  A couple of people who got let out of one of the state hospitals started burning down buildings in my town including the public library.  Maybe that was hasty?


To be fair, he did so because the places where they were living were worse than the conditions which supermax prisoners were being held in, including being restrained and tortured for mouthing off to the staff. The asylums also did little to no rehabilitation or preparation to deinstitutionalize their people, ether.
 
2013-11-19 04:11:03 PM

Inchoate: No beds? Not even a hospital psych ward (or makeshift one) for the short term while they figure shiat out? That is some piss-poor infrastructure. :/


In college i worked in the local mental health locked inpatient unit. Small town but good svcs

You be amazed at how many people randomly showed up fr
 
2013-11-19 04:12:51 PM
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From other states that were sent to calif by social workers. Funding in many states, esp the south, is abysmal.
 
2013-11-19 04:13:14 PM
Fark it I'll open my mouth. This is another irresponsible gun owner allowing a a gun to fall into the hands of a crazy person. Thankfully the crazy person chose not to go crazy on a crowd of innocents.

Also, in the 'guns actually do kill people' argument, if Creighton Sr. had been shot several time in the head and torso rather than knifed, he'd be dead.

I am sure the poor man may be wishing he was dead from time to time today. Despite my cynicism, I am very sorry for him.
 
2013-11-19 04:14:06 PM

HotWingConspiracy: FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.

Jesus is an option as well.

I hate to say that I called this as soon as the news broke. (The son being the attacker, that is)


Hate to admit it, but the first thing I thought was "shiat, are we starting in with the assassinations now?" My next action was to check the party abbreviation.

/I dunno if the real story makes me feel better or worse. . .
 
2013-11-19 04:14:06 PM

FunkOut: I guess he should have just used to willpower to conquer his mental illness.


Atlas shrugs.
 
2013-11-19 04:14:19 PM
Nobody but the police and military should have these assault knives!
 
2013-11-19 04:14:21 PM
Gods this whole thing is heartbreaking. I actually know Creigh Deeds (not a close friend, but one of many acquaintances) and he is a genuinely good man. I can't imagine how the family is doing now.
 
2013-11-19 04:15:18 PM
That 300 mil in broken website money could have bought a few beds. Possibly as many as 10 the way this government does things.
 
2013-11-19 04:17:48 PM
So which SSRI drug was he on or coming off of?
 
2013-11-19 04:19:40 PM

Sofa King Smart: I know people will try to spin this for their own personal agenda (mental health


Wait, what?
 
2013-11-19 04:21:18 PM

Inchoate: No beds? Not even a hospital psych ward (or makeshift one) for the short term while they figure shiat out? That is some piss-poor infrastructure. :/


Western Virginia is severely under-provisioned. Relative to all of their neighbors, including West Virginia.
 
2013-11-19 04:26:05 PM

hardinparamedic: tetsoushima: I seem to remember something about President Reagan shutting down a bunch of mental hospitals at the end of his presidency and letting a bunch of severely disabled/dangerous people loose without access to adequate care or observation.  A couple of people who got let out of one of the state hospitals started burning down buildings in my town including the public library.  Maybe that was hasty?

To be fair, he did so because the places where they were living were worse than the conditions which supermax prisoners were being held in, including being restrained and tortured for mouthing off to the staff. The asylums also did little to no rehabilitation or preparation to deinstitutionalize their people, ether.


And Reagan didn't do it.

All of that happened in the 1960s and 1970s.  By the states.  The federal government had nothing to do with it.
 
2013-11-19 04:27:12 PM

Warthog: Before this turns into a cesspool of whargarbl from both those who are for and against mental health reform and gun control, I hope everyone can pause and reflect on how this is a tragedy in the classic sense of the word. A crazed son turning violently on his father -- by all accounts a man who only wanted to help him.  That's a story as old as time.  Doesn't make it any less sad.

/you may now carry on with your regularly scheduled flamewar.


So the kid got the idea from a book? Time to burn the classics.
 
2013-11-19 04:31:19 PM
It seems like most everyone knows someone who has a mental illness. I think the reason that so little action is being taken in spite of this is because people still apply the stigma-the mentally ill are lazy, or deserve what happened to them. Now, in a fair number of cases, they'll deny that this applies to those who are close to them.

"Oh, Tim's not crazy, he's just having a little trouble getting started. It's a phase."

Or:

"My sister actually is mentally ill, not like the rest of those slackers."

Therefore, it's difficult for society as a whole to really care. Neither does it help that there are a good number of fakers out there. People who have bad coping skills or are just lazy but pass it off as depression. Some psychologists will just give out diagnoses in order to satisfy shiatty patients, and there's not a whole lot you can do about that. Unfortunately, those who really do have problems end up getting screwed over.

Maybe the best solution is to simply apply a stricter criteria to mental disorders.
 
2013-11-19 04:37:16 PM

Charlie Chingas: WizardofToast: Unfortunately there isn't a strong enough social drive to improve psychological and mental health care in the US. What with social stigmas, lack of understanding and preference to fund other things.

^^ This. And the fact that we have lobbyists (like the NRA) that freak out when any mention of mental health is mentioned. Because America...


I blame the lack of proper education to the public about mental health. When people think of poor mental health, they think of crazies in media that just blindly murder people because they either feel like it or the voices in their head tell them to do it. They're scary, they can hurt people and thus we shouldn't get involved with them. It's easier to explain to somebody about a broken leg, a bad heart or cancer than it is to explain chronic depression or bipolar disorder. But we support those who are physically ill while running away from those that are mentally ill. Because we're set to believe they will threaten us and not care. Mentally ill people can be violent, but the power of generalization makes it seem that ALL of them are.
 
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