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(Ars Technica)   Boston Police patrol cars to be outfitted with GPS, surprisingly some officers have a problem with this. Officer: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?"   (arstechnica.com) divider line 96
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2013-11-19 12:40:25 PM  
"No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.
 
2013-11-19 12:44:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.


Fark you pall. I joined this force to taze anyone and everyone that disrespects my authority. How will we get talent on the police force without those perks?
 
2013-11-19 12:46:44 PM  
Come on subby.. he didn't really say that...

*click*

What a maroon.
 
2013-11-19 12:48:08 PM  
Deja vu.

Repeat!
 
2013-11-19 12:48:10 PM  
How the fark are you supposed to deploy your resources effectively without AVL?
 
2013-11-19 12:48:24 PM  
Good.  Let's keep law enforcement tracked and accountable.
 
2013-11-19 12:48:54 PM  
Do NSA agents carry cellphones?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
 
2013-11-19 12:49:04 PM  
I'm surprised this isn't a thing they already do.
 
2013-11-19 12:49:28 PM  
Fark mods should attach a gps to each green light.
 
2013-11-19 12:49:31 PM  
GPS on the cars, cameras directly on the officers.

Pretty soon we'll be expecting them to do their jobs in a reasonable and responsible manner.

/how they going to go beating on innocent black kids violent perps with drugs on them when we're tracking and watching their every move?
 
2013-11-19 12:50:29 PM  
Who needs a GPS?!?!!?
technologywonk.com
 
2013-11-19 12:50:35 PM  
Boo farking hoo.
 
2013-11-19 12:50:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.


Word.

Too much power without rock solid accountability leads to abuse of power. Period.
 
2013-11-19 12:51:29 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: How the fark are you supposed to deploy your resources effectively without AVL?


Seriously, there are agencies that DON'T use this still? " hey, no one has heard from Donny in a while." " Yeah, too bad we don't have any way to pinpoint his location to save his ass."
 
2013-11-19 12:51:55 PM  
Sir, we're detecting a large accumulation of signals coming from the WaffleHouse parking lot!  Is there some kind of major incident happening there?
 
2013-11-19 12:51:56 PM  
Whose gotten exploding irony gif?
 
2013-11-19 12:52:35 PM  
While we're at it, we might as well put GPS trackers on every badge.
 
2013-11-19 12:52:49 PM  
I'm guessing that "black box" devices are already pretty much standard in cop cars thanks to the lawyers, accountants and insurance adjustors at GM and elsewhere. So who needs GPS? We'll know exactly how fast you were going when you hit the school bus during that unnecessary car chase.

Profits depend on it. It is so.
 
2013-11-19 12:53:24 PM  

Klippoklondike: I'm surprised this isn't a thing they already do.


Smaller police forces already monitor car locations. When they began doing that in my county, the county police quickly found ways to tamper with them just enough to make them inoperable, but not look like it was intentional. After a year, 25% were untrackable. Within 3 years, they ended the program because less than 50% were trackable at any time and it just wasn't worth the repair time.
 
2013-11-19 12:53:47 PM  
Still don't have much to say about this other than "You're a public official, you should be held accountable." from the last thread.
/also repeat
 
2013-11-19 12:54:38 PM  
When I was in the department, I always wanted a dash cam and shoulder recorder on me.  And GPS equipment is a godsend for people working in public safety with only a few trade offs.  Dispatch knows who is closest to a call for response, where to send backup if you need it, last known location if you end up incapacitated...  The only trade off is that you can't park somewhere and take a nap for your entire shift. 

But I also did my best not to do anything wrong or anything stupid that violated anyone's rights.  I get the not wanting to feel micro managed when you take an extra few minutes to eat your lunch (our ambulances were all equipped, and this happened thankfully rarely), but I have a silly feeling this is more about wanting to screw around and not be tracked while doing so.
 
2013-11-19 12:55:50 PM  

brantgoose: I'm guessing that "black box" devices are already pretty much standard in cop cars thanks to the lawyers, accountants and insurance adjustors at GM and elsewhere. So who needs GPS? We'll know exactly how fast you were going when you hit the school bus during that unnecessary car chase.

Profits depend on it. It is so.


If you've bought a car in the last 10+ years, you can pretty much guarantee that it has a blackbox.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 12:56:21 PM  
When they began doing that in my county, the county police quickly found ways to tamper with them just enough to make them inoperable, but not look like it was intentional. After a year, 25% were untrackable. Within 3 years, they ended the program because less than 50% were trackable at any time and it just wasn't worth the repair time.

Make department policy no overtime or detail assignments in cars without GPS. Watch the units come back online.
 
2013-11-19 12:56:27 PM  

brimed03: Deja vu.

Repeat!


It's not a repeat. It was merely circling the block, looking for suspects.
 
2013-11-19 12:56:53 PM  
Is he kidding? We got outfitted last year and it's great. You can tell at a glance how far out your backup is. Setting up containment for a K9 track is much easier and faster when the lead officer can see where everybody is instead of asking them one by one over the radio. We can also see where the other agencies are at for when they need help and we're closer. Also that one guy who is always stopping by his house during his shift can't get away with that sh*t anymore.
 
2013-11-19 12:57:54 PM  
Aren't these the same folks who argued that the Cops shouldn't need a warrant to attach a GPS tracker surreptitiously to your vehicle because you have no expectation of privacy that your movements on public streets will not be tracked?

the technology is here, there is no excuse for every officer not to wear an always-on "badge cam with a fish-eye lens and good microphone that transmits to an encrypted DVR inside a locked container in their patrol car's  trunk whose seal can only, be broken by the court in the presence of prosecutors AND defense attorneys-preferably after the officer have already submitted a sworn statement as to the arrest.
 
2013-11-19 12:58:24 PM  
That's a bingo!
 
2013-11-19 12:58:29 PM  
Really? They were using that shiat in Police Academy 3!
 
2013-11-19 12:58:48 PM  
It all depends on how it is used.

But I am kind of surprised farkers want them to have gps. The same crowd that complains about how every police action is a violation of their rights wants a tool that reduces the individual cop's ability to slack off, and thus results in more proactive (pulling you over) and less reactive (responding to calls) force?

Perhaps you haven't thought your plans through...
 
2013-11-19 12:59:12 PM  
OK, Fine. Take the GPS out of the cars and give the pigs ankle monitors.
 
2013-11-19 12:59:24 PM  
I think the real surprise is that a police force in a major city doesn't already have the technology installed.
 
2013-11-19 12:59:41 PM  

brantgoose: Do NSA agents carry cellphones?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!


They use VOIP behind 7 proxies.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 01:00:28 PM  
big pig peaches

Some police unions have objected or demanded extra pay to be tracked.
 
2013-11-19 01:00:48 PM  
I worked in IT for a Public Safety department, and we installed these on all our public safety vehicles. The police officers were the biggest opponents to these, and we quickly found out why. A very common practice for the officers who drove their patrol cars home was to call into dispatch at like 7am to "clock in", and then go back inside their home to eat breakfast, jerk off or whatever for an hour. Once we had GPS on we knew they were home, and not working...

We also found out our building inspectors had a nasty habit of going to the movies in the middle of the day...
 
2013-11-19 01:01:06 PM  
How dare you question your masters!?
 
2013-11-19 01:01:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.


...you realize that's exactly what the NSA says, right?
 
2013-11-19 01:01:34 PM  

Shadowknight: but I have a silly feeling this is more about wanting to screw around and not be tracked while doing so.


Ex cop.
That feeling isn't silly.
It's a good hunch.
 
2013-11-19 01:01:40 PM  

Shadowknight: I get the not wanting to feel micro managed


As do I. Fortunately, I work in a place that doesn't do that. The biggest reason they don't is that nobody has given them a reason to do so.
 
2013-11-19 01:01:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: But I am kind of surprised farkers want them to have gps. The same crowd that complains about how every police action is a violation of their rights wants a tool that reduces the individual cop's ability to slack off, and thus results in more proactive (pulling you over) and less reactive (responding to calls) force monitors them for potential violations of rights?


FTFY. Not that hard to figure out, at all.
 
2013-11-19 01:01:47 PM  
Well they should just listen to their own advice. "If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried"
 
2013-11-19 01:01:48 PM  

brantgoose: I'm guessing that "black box" devices are already pretty much standard in cop cars thanks to the lawyers, accountants and insurance adjustors at GM and elsewhere. So who needs GPS? We'll know exactly how fast you were going when you hit the school bus during that unnecessary car chase.

Profits depend on it. It is so.


Just so you know...most cars made since 1995 are capable of tracking all kinds of information about what the vehicle has been up to. That's actually how Progressive Insurance's "snapshot" thing works. You plug it into your OBD2 port, and it reads your ECU. It lets them know how fast you are accelerating, how hard you are braking, stuff like that. And with modern cars coming as 'wired up' as they are today, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to tap into everything controlled by the computer...like the backup camera, GPS...hell, even the power windows.
 
2013-11-19 01:02:45 PM  

vudukungfu: Shadowknight: but I have a silly feeling this is more about wanting to screw around and not be tracked while doing so.

Ex cop.
That feeling isn't silly.
It's a good hunch.


Ex-cop, ex-paramedic.  Trust me, I know.
 
2013-11-19 01:02:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-19 01:02:51 PM  
It's not a repeat, it's an homage.
 
2013-11-19 01:03:11 PM  

FarkinHostile: scottydoesntknow: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.

Word.

Too much power without rock solid accountability leads to abuse of power. Period.


The problem, of course, is that such "solutions" to these things only really move it around...this time to whoever monitors the GPS. Especially if they know how to forge GPS data, which I'm sure is technically possible.
 
2013-11-19 01:03:23 PM  

Smackledorfer: It all depends on how it is used.

But I am kind of surprised farkers want them to have gps. The same crowd that complains about how every police action is a violation of their rights wants a tool that reduces the individual cop's ability to slack off, and thus results in more proactive (pulling you over) and less reactive (responding to calls) force?

Perhaps you haven't thought your plans through...


Who wouldnt? These would provide a means of measurement of just how much enforcement each unit provides. Where they went, actions, recollections. Even providing evidence for them. Yeah I'm in.

Dont know why/ how that would make them give out more speeding tickets?
 
2013-11-19 01:03:27 PM  
Baelz:We also found out our building inspectors had a nasty habit of going to the movies in the middle of the day...

Great, now there are a bunch of unsafe, improperly inspected theaters in your area.
 
2013-11-19 01:03:55 PM  

Shadowknight: The only trade off is that you can't park somewhere and take a nap for your entire shift.


Wow, almost like a real job.

Smackledorfer: But I am kind of surprised farkers want them to have gps. The same crowd that complains about how every police action is a violation of their rights wants a tool that reduces the individual cop's ability to slack off, and thus results in more proactive (pulling you over) and less reactive (responding to calls) force?


They already insist on being able to monitor us for no reason.  A crappy rule that's applied equally is better than any rule that's applied unequally.
 
2013-11-19 01:04:14 PM  

IlGreven: scottydoesntknow: "No one likes it. Who wants to be followed all over the place?" said one officer who spoke anonymously to the Globe because department rules forbid police from speaking to the media without authorization. "If I take my cruiser and I meet [reluctant witnesses] to talk, eventually they can follow me and say, 'Why were you in a back dark street for 45 minutes?' It's going to open up a can of worms that can't be closed."

Are you farking serious?

GPS, microphone, 24-hour video recording, I don't care. Do everything possible to ensure that they know someone is watching and that person is not their friend.

...you realize that's exactly what the NSA says, right?


Except your average citizen can't potentially destroy someone's life and get away with it. Your average citizen is not paid by taxes.

I'm not saying we should monitor cops when they're off-duty, but if you're in uniform, your actions should be watched.
 
2013-11-19 01:04:37 PM  
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