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(National Post)   Canadians appalled that their conservatives ignore bad behavior by conservatives and blame everything on the liberal media, or what Americans call Tuesday   (fullcomment.nationalpost.com) divider line 34
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2013-11-19 01:00:09 PM
Apparently it is infecting the north now.
 
2013-11-19 01:07:39 PM
Single payer health care made him smoke crack.
 
2013-11-19 01:08:44 PM
What canadian politics might look like
 
2013-11-19 01:09:18 PM
Not so smug now, are you, Canada?

On the other hand, that giant, sloppy, Molson-soaked crackhead did perform the most polite tackle of a female colleague in political history.
 
2013-11-19 01:10:01 PM
If you ever doubted that Canada is just as dumb as the U.S., watch all 6 hours of Hockey Night In Canada some Saturday night.

By the time P.J. Stock shows up, you'll be wishing for the rational, intelligent commentary of Wolf Blitzer and Glenn Beck.
 
2013-11-19 01:13:51 PM

sigdiamond2000: If you ever doubted that Canada is just as dumb as the U.S., watch all 6 hours of Hockey Night In Canada some Saturday night.

By the time P.J. Stock Glenn Healy shows up, you'll be wishing for the rational, intelligent commentary of Wolf Blitzer and Glenn Beck.


FTFY
 
2013-11-19 01:15:04 PM

sigdiamond2000: If you ever doubted that Canada is just as dumb as the U.S., watch all 6 hours of Hockey Night In Canada some Saturday night.

By the time P.J. Stock shows up, you'll be wishing for the rational, intelligent commentary of Wolf Blitzer and Glenn Beck.


THIS^
 
2013-11-19 01:19:40 PM
So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?
 
2013-11-19 01:34:06 PM
Those poor oppressed Canadian liberals.

*sheds a single tear*
 
2013-11-19 01:34:18 PM
Canadians appalled that their conservatives ignore bad behavior by conservatives and blame everything on the liberal media, or what Americans call Tuesday every day that ends with a Y.

/FTFY
 
2013-11-19 01:37:29 PM
The logic in all cases was a variation of either (a) Yeah, but Ford reduced taxes and cut spending; or (b) Yeah, but this was all somehow ginned up by "the liberal media." And in both cases, this is indicative of a crisis in conservative thought in this country.

In case (a), the Ford apologism suggests that conservatism can be reduced to Tea Party slogans about cutting the size of government - at the expense of building strong communities, and all the other goals that traditionally have been part of conservative ideology, such as respect for the rule of law, self-control, family values, a strong work ethic and honesty. (The spectacle of hypocrites who cheerlead Stephen Harper's and Peter MacKay's hysterical tough-on-marijuana posturing while, in the same breath, blowing off the Mayor of Toronto's admitted crack use, is especially appalling.) In case (b), the idea that Ford's self-inflicted humiliations and admitted criminal acts would be ignored if he were not a right-wing icon bespeaks a level of political paranoia that one rarely expects to find, in this country at least, outside of fringe news channels and call-in AM radio.


There's almost nothing to add to that.
 
2013-11-19 01:38:46 PM

Contribution Corsair: Apparently it is infecting the north now.


On our worst day I would hope that a prominent republican caught smoking crack and saying half the crazy shiat ford has wouldn't illicit this much support from conservatives. If only because the fundy Christians would be appalled by the prostitutes and talk about oral sex.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:16 PM

Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?


I'm sure Harper is working on it.
 
2013-11-19 01:41:24 PM

Contribution Corsair: Apparently it is infecting the north now.


monoski: Single payer health care made him smoke crack.


In other news, Krokodil has hit Toronto today. . .
 
2013-11-19 01:57:40 PM

Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?


It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.
 
2013-11-19 02:30:26 PM

costermonger: There's almost nothing to add to that.


I wouldn't say that...
 
2013-11-19 02:31:20 PM
Self-serving double-standards are great.

"Ford smoked crack? Who cares, he lowered my taxes!"

"Clinton got a bj? Lynch the farker and his socialist ways!"
 
2013-11-19 02:37:48 PM
No subby, we call that a day that ends with Y.
 
2013-11-19 02:39:49 PM
If anything, PM Sweatervest is probably making videos of Rob Ford's antics.  He can then play them to backbenchers as a reason that he keeps such tight reigns on his caucus.

/$5 says that if Ford was in his government when the news of the video first came out Ford would have been either sent to the backbench or turfed from caucus faster than the could order a happy meal.
 
2013-11-19 03:30:37 PM

Girl Pants: Self-serving double-standards are great.

"Ford smoked crack? Who cares, he lowered my taxes!"

"Clinton got a bj? Lynch the farker and his socialist ways!"


Even better...

"Ford smoked crack?  Who cares, he lowered my taxes!"
"Justin Trudeau smoked marijuana?  Unfit for leadership!"
 
2013-11-19 03:41:43 PM

apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.


Can you elaborate, please?
 
2013-11-19 03:43:20 PM

Jaroga: apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.

Can you elaborate, please?


I'll handle this... we just have to make sure that the Conservatives don't get elected next time around.
 
2013-11-19 03:45:08 PM

Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?


It is private. Except for hospitals.

Every doctor is an entrepreneur who bills for services performed.  They acquire real estate on their own dime.  They furnish their offices on their own.  They hire staff on their own.  They market themselves to generate a patient base.  They set their own hours.  If you don't have insurance* you pay cash.  If you do have insurance* the insurance company sets the payable rate structure via negotiations with the regional College of Physicians.

Now, that insurance* is a completely socialized system.  It is funded through taxpayer dollars, and through payroll tax.

The only difference between this system and the (old) American system is that there is one insurance, and the  personal premiums are income tax and employer benefits are a payroll tax.
 
2013-11-19 04:16:16 PM

Mercutio74: Jaroga: apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.

Can you elaborate, please?

I'll handle this... we just have to make sure that the Conservatives don't get elected next time around.


Agreed. The "kick in" phrase made me think I missed some recent, under-reported change in language to the Accord. My bad.

Given the MO of Cyberman Harper, I expect you can understand my worry.  Back to your regularly-scheduled Ford fiasco.
 
2013-11-19 04:26:05 PM
I thought it was just our conservatives that were crazy.
 
2013-11-19 04:30:27 PM

mightybaldking: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It is private. Except for hospitals.

Every doctor is an entrepreneur who bills for services performed.  They acquire real estate on their own dime.  They furnish their offices on their own.  They hire staff on their own.  They market themselves to generate a patient base.  They set their own hours.  If you don't have insurance* you pay cash.  If you do have insurance* the insurance company sets the payable rate structure via negotiations with the regional College of Physicians.

Now, that insurance* is a completely socialized system.  It is funded through taxpayer dollars, and through payroll tax.

The only difference between this system and the (old) American system is that there is one insurance, and the  personal premiums are income tax and employer benefits are a payroll tax.


Learn something new every day. Thanks for the insight.

Aura226: I thought it was just our conservatives that were crazy.


Ours weren't crazy enough so we imported Cruz.
 
2013-11-19 04:31:33 PM

Jaroga: apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.

Can you elaborate, please?


IIRC, the level of transfer payments to the provinces will be reduced and tied to GDP instead of population, and the provinces will be responsible for a larger share of healthcare funding.

This article  and this one probably explain it better than I can.
 
2013-11-19 04:34:45 PM

Jaroga: Mercutio74: Jaroga: apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.

Can you elaborate, please?

I'll handle this... we just have to make sure that the Conservatives don't get elected next time around.

Agreed. The "kick in" phrase made me think I missed some recent, under-reported change in language to the Accord. My bad.

Given the MO of Cyberman Harper, I expect you can understand my worry.  Back to your regularly-scheduled Ford fiasco.


Ah, no. I just meant that if the Conservatives somehow manage to hang on to a majority in the next election, Harper's agenda will proceed as planned.
 
2013-11-19 04:57:28 PM

apoptotic: Jaroga: apoptotic: Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?

It's happening now. It will become more obvious in 2017 when Harper's changes to the funding formula in the Canada Health Accord kick in.

Can you elaborate, please?

IIRC, the level of transfer payments to the provinces will be reduced and tied to GDP instead of population, and the provinces will be responsible for a larger share of healthcare funding.

This article  and this one probably explain it better than I can.


Thanks for the links. I somehow missed this.  Too concerned with provincial destruction, I guess.

Just what we want: the Redford government handling more the health system, too.  Or worse, the Wild Rose party.
 
2013-11-19 06:48:42 PM
In the spirit of ignoring bad behavior*, SunNews has cancelled Ford Nation after only one episode.

*a stretch, I know, but there's not a current Ford thread so that was just a weak attempt to be at least tangentially on topic here. The reasons they actually gave for the cancellation are production costs and the Ford brothers' inexperience in tv.
 
2013-11-20 12:09:14 AM

Jaroga: Just what we want: the Redford government handling more the health system, too.


As someone that worked in higher ed until Redford and Tommy the tard declared war on educated people this terrifies me.
 
2013-11-20 12:44:57 AM

strathcona: Jaroga: Just what we want: the Redford government handling more the health system, too.

As someone that worked in higher ed until Redford and Tommy the tard declared war on educated people this terrifies me.


I'm sorry to hear that. I'm in higher ed here, too. We lost a lot of good people and programs. And Tommy is a smug, dismissive, arrogant tool who has no idea how advanced education and research work.  Again, I'm really sorry to hear that you are one of the victims of the assault on education.

Also, sorry for the thread-jack.
 
2013-11-20 03:56:28 AM

Bugerz: So, how long before you guys privatize your healthcare industry up there?


Canada's healthcare system is private. It's the exact same system as America.

The only difference is that the government taxes us to pay for it.

It's easier to think of it as not socialized healthcare, but rather socialized health insurance.
 
2013-11-20 04:15:29 AM

Jaroga: strathcona: Jaroga: Just what we want: the Redford government handling more the health system, too.

As someone that worked in higher ed until Redford and Tommy the tard declared war on educated people this terrifies me.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm in higher ed here, too. We lost a lot of good people and programs. And Tommy is a smug, dismissive, arrogant tool who has no idea how advanced education and research work.  Again, I'm really sorry to hear that you are one of the victims of the assault on education.

Also, sorry for the thread-jack.


My faculty lost 25 long-service, dedicated employees, and they've decided to centralize what little remains of the admin staff in the departments to faculty level.  The loss of corporate knowledge and experience of the various programs in each department will be irretrievable.
 
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