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(Politico)   Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?   (politico.com) divider line 164
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2013-11-19 02:50:13 PM  

Maud Dib: James!: I_C_Weener: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

DINO!!!!

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I prefer Dean-o.

Sheesh. Amazing how many of those stars died from cigarettes.


Cigarettes may have killed him, but he took thousands of those bastards down before they did.  Burned the farkers alive.
 
2013-11-19 02:50:22 PM  

Rhino_man: Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain

Allow me to explain how reconciliation works.  The House and Senate each pass a version of the same bill, then a reconciliation committee is formed to come up with a final version that is supposed to be a compromise of the two.  That bill is then presented to the President.

So yes, we had to pass the Senate version of the bill to find out what would be in the final version of the bill, which had not yet been created.


Well, yes, but this wasn't the context of Pelosi's comment.  She was talking to a constituent group, and saying that they wouldn't realize the benefits until it was passed.  She wasn't, as conservatives seem to suggest, talking to her caucus or dodging a question about what was in the bill.
 
2013-11-19 02:52:31 PM  

Rhino_man: I_C_Weener: And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.

I_C_Weener: And here we have it being used by Democrats and Democrat groups.

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The herpers in here claiming it was never used, or embraced, or even hinted at by any Democrat in the history of socialism.
 
2013-11-19 02:53:21 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.


It still has a higher approval rating than Congress. So it's got that going for it.
 
2013-11-19 02:55:12 PM  

Cletus C.: I think the implication here is that Democrats are trying to distance themselves from the ACA by removing the leader of their party's name from its commonly used, though not official, title. This, by inference, would indicate they believe the act itself is toxic politically, at least in the short term.

There seems to be some confusion.


 
So at this point, even Democrats want to remove Obama... from Obamacare.

...probably a smart move.    It won't look good when Congress shuts the whole thing down if he is still associated with it.
 
2013-11-19 02:56:20 PM  
I guess HuffPo didn't get the memo.

And yes, Obama himself embraced the term in October 2012, using it in speeches dozens of times.

And good for him. It's his baby. There's nothing wrong with attaching his name to it, good or bad, and it's going to happen whether he "wants" it to or not. He should be PROUD to attach his name to it, if he's proud of the legislation.. shouldn't he?
 
2013-11-19 03:05:32 PM  

Shostie: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 248x203]
Ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson


"I'm sick of him already" - Lisa Simpson
 
2013-11-19 03:08:51 PM  

I_C_Weener: And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.


And Conservatives hate Obamacare, but like what the ACA has to offer.

I like them both the same BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME
 
2013-11-19 03:09:41 PM  

Arkanaut: President Barack Obama and loyal Democrats once embraced the term Obamacare to sell the American people on health care reform.

Ha, no.



Ha, yes.

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/10/03/obam a- likes-obamacare/">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/w p/2012/10/03/obama- likes-obamacare/
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 03:10:08 PM  
I don't call it that. I don't think I ever did.
 
2013-11-19 03:11:44 PM  

incendi: Arkanaut: I like to call it "El PPACA".

El chuPPACAbre?


Yeah, chupathingy.
 
2013-11-19 03:12:52 PM  
It makes as much sense to call it ObamaCare as calling free government phones ObamaPhones or free government debit cards ObamaOhSnap.

Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x to create a larger pool of dependency to vote on people like him.  We should call them ObamaSheep.
 
2013-11-19 03:15:24 PM  
You want to call it 'Obamacare'? That's OK because I do care," Obama said in a March 16 speech.
Supporters of Obama's re-election can go to the http://store.barackobama.com/">campaign's website and order t-shirts, bumper stickers and buttons that say, "I Like Obamacare." For $35, you can get the "Obamacare Pack," which includes all three.
A http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/ilikeobamacare-because">March 23 blog post asked supporters to use the hashtag #ILikeObamacare. The campaign also has a https://www.facebook.com/ilikeobamacare">Facebook page called "Obamacare."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-left-with-little-choice-embra c es-term-obamacare-72330/">http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-lef t-with-little-choice-embrac es-term-obamacare-72330/
 
2013-11-19 03:19:37 PM  
So, this means I won't get to participate in a death panel?

Damnit!

But how will my bloodlust for your grandma be satiated now?
 
2013-11-19 03:31:37 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Elegy: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

I've been assured multiple times on Fark that democrats love the name Obamacare. The reasoning goes that in 50 years the ACA will be recognized as a seminal piece of legislation like social security, and the name "Obamacare" forever been links the legislation to a democrat president by name.

So yes, really.

Which is not the point at hand. The question was "Did we ever really?" and the answer is, for the most part, an emphatic no. Not that I expect you to let facts get in the way of your righteous rant.


What righteous rant? What in the hell are you even talking about? All I was doing was pointing out that the GOP coined a "clever" turn of phrase the believe derogatory towards the ACA, while some democrats have embraced the term in the belief that in the long term, associating healthcare reform with a democratic president is a good thing.

And what "facts"? Are you suggesting that democrats don't use the term?

I_C_Weener has posted at least three links in this thread (including the one above) that show that yes, in fact, democrats have taken to the term "Obamacare" and used it as a stand in for "ACA."

But please, don't let me get in the way of you frothing at the mouth for no damn reason at all.

/dang it, now I gotta make sure my rabies vacc is up to date
 
2013-11-19 03:37:11 PM  
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

No.
 
2013-11-19 03:40:48 PM  
I call it Hal.
 
2013-11-19 03:41:56 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: It makes as much sense to call it ObamaCare as calling free government phones ObamaPhones or free government debit cards ObamaOhSnap.

Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x to create a larger pool of dependency to vote on people like him.  We should call them ObamaSheep.


Of course he did dear.

Now here's a cookie.  Go outside and play.
 
2013-11-19 03:45:48 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


Seriously?  Ever watched MSNBC?  Maddow, Ed (whatever his last name is), Hayes and O'Donnell call it "Obamacare" all the time, and I cringe every time I hear it.
 
2013-11-19 03:46:18 PM  
Fark 2014: Notice how Republicans aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?"

I say son, you cannot dispute that the ACA law passed while I was in congress.
 
2013-11-19 03:58:30 PM  
I still use Obamacare a lot because most people just look at you with a blank stare if you say "ACA".
 
2013-11-19 04:08:27 PM  
This is bad news.

For Obama.
 
2013-11-19 04:08:52 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: We should call them ObamaSheep.


Don't you already call them ObamaBots?
 
2013-11-19 04:18:12 PM  

doublesecretprobation: uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.


This times a million.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 04:30:28 PM  
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d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 04:32:34 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Kangaroo_Ralph: We should call them ObamaSheep.

Don't you already call them ObamaBots?


Agreeing with Obama on an individual point or program = ObamaBot

Disagreeing with Obama on anything = OMG FREETHINKING ANTI-COMMUNIST LIBERTY LOVING FREE MAN!
 
2013-11-19 04:33:08 PM  
You can call it a turd sandwich if you want. Just make the damn thing work.
 
2013-11-19 04:49:17 PM  

Evil Democrats referring to the ACA as Obamacare just this weekend:

How we got Obamacare to work

 
2013-11-19 05:07:18 PM  
images.intomobile.com

The world according to Garp BOB
 
2013-11-19 05:10:15 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I don't call it Obamacare, because that's not its name.


I started calling it Obamacare instead of "the ACA" once Obama and the Democrats started using the term (a year or so ago).
 
2013-11-19 05:16:07 PM  
Nothing has changed at all. When discussing something informally or for a wider audience people sometimes use an informal term. When discussing it formally or in detail they tend to use more formally correct terms. Sometimes these terms are used completely interchangeably.

Doesn't alter the fact it is a good thing, has already helped millions, will help countless millions more and will in the end be a success and attached to his name. The entire attempt to suggest it 'has failed' is laughable and relies on the press running with that as story of the month. Next month there will be a different story, they are already getting bored of this one.

Don't like it? who farking cares?
 
2013-11-19 05:18:51 PM  
So here's the deal. Democratic politicians have generally avoided calling it "Obamacare" because in the short term, with the Koch machine at full blast and the positive aspects of the law not yet fully manifest, it's politically risky to tie themselves too closely to the law. (The obvious exception, of course, was Obama himself, who had no realistic expectation of distancing himself from his own most prominent change to public policy.)

Democratic activists, meanwhile, more willing to take the long view and believing that the merits of the law will eventually make it a winner, have been a lot more willing to embrace the "Obamacare" term.

The website fiasco and the cancellation letters, to be sure, have probably caused the latter to lose some steam of late, but you'll still find some activists willing to stay the course.
 
2013-11-19 05:31:35 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x


That's an interesting claim. I'd love to see some evidence.
 
2013-11-19 05:32:03 PM  
Well I was drunk the day Obammy ruined insurance
And I still can't log in to healthcare.gov
But before I could slam ACA as ObamaCare
Them dang Libtards went and changed its name

And I'll piss and moan because he wants to help me
And I never minded saying ACA
And you don't have to call me ObamaCare, darlin'
You never even called me, well I wondered why you don't call me?
Why don't you ever call me by my name?
 
2013-11-19 05:39:40 PM  

Shostie: Ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson


Goddamn that's old.

So am I, since I remember that.
 
2013-11-19 05:47:39 PM  
Boulder Liberal Uranus is Huge! calls it Obamacare.

And I will continue to do so. In ten years we'll see misspelled Tea Party signs reading "Keep govermant out of my 0bamacair."
 
2013-11-19 06:05:21 PM  
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

Calling it the 'Affordable' Care Act isn't exactly accurate either. Maybe they should take a cue from Prince and name it some unpronounceable glyph.

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2013-11-19 06:10:13 PM  
Kind of like Democrats called the Strategic Defense Initiative "Star Wars."

Personally, I think the losing side should be able to name legislation that passes. It would make the names far more entertaining.
 
2013-11-19 06:10:59 PM  

nmrsnr: I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.


What people are going to remember is losing their existing plans and doctors, contrary to what they were told, just like they remembered "Read my lips: no new taxes".
 
2013-11-19 06:12:28 PM  
It's awful.  As soon as the website went down my sister got dropped from our parents' health plan and now she can't get insurance because of her pre-existing condition.  They really should have backed up the law someplace else instead of storing everything on healthcare.gov
 
2013-11-19 06:13:43 PM  

Snarfangel: Kind of like Democrats called the Strategic Defense Initiative "Star Wars."

Personally, I think the losing side should be able to name legislation that passes. It would make the names far more entertaining.


That's an interesting thought. I foresee the, "Republicans Want Children And Old People To DIE" and "Democrats Want To Enslave You" acts.
 
2013-11-19 06:17:26 PM  

jjorsett: nmrsnr: I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.

What people are going to remember is losing their existing plans and doctors, contrary to what they were told, just like they remembered "Read my lips: no new taxes".


And then they'll remember getting cheaper or outright subsidized plans that offered far better coverage.

/Won't someone PLEASE think of the scammy "insurance" companies?!
 
2013-11-19 06:24:16 PM  
I like how democrats who are ashamed of being called liberal, you know... because liberal, like to call themselves progressive. Which has nothing to do with Flo.
 
2013-11-19 06:25:37 PM  

Skleenar: Rhino_man: Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain

Allow me to explain how reconciliation works.  The House and Senate each pass a version of the same bill, then a reconciliation committee is formed to come up with a final version that is supposed to be a compromise of the two.  That bill is then presented to the President.

So yes, we had to pass the Senate version of the bill to find out what would be in the final version of the bill, which had not yet been created.

Well, yes, but this wasn't the context of Pelosi's comment.  She was talking to a constituent group, and saying that they wouldn't realize the benefits until it was passed.  She wasn't, as conservatives seem to suggest, talking to her caucus or dodging a question about what was in the bill.


To be specific, she was addressing the National Association of COunties (NACo), an organization of county-level legislators and administrators.

Note the backdrop:
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She was telling these county-level lawmakers and administrators at their 2010 Legislative Conference: "But we [Congress] have to pass the bill so that you [local government legislators and administrators] can find out what is in it ― away from the fog of controversy."
 
2013-11-19 06:50:46 PM  
Politico sounds.......concerned.
 
2013-11-19 06:57:18 PM  
Obamacare Obamacare  Obamacare  Obamacare  Obamacare

BOO!
 
2013-11-19 07:01:37 PM  
Seriously?  D's did not start calling it Obamacare.  Obama made that comment during the debate to make the term less of a derogatory term.
 
2013-11-19 07:22:32 PM  
I don't remember democrats ever calling it Obamacare. In fact calling it Obamacare is one reason republicans don't like it. If it was just the affordable health care act people wouldn't be objecting as much.
 
2013-11-19 07:40:30 PM  
Rhino_man:

Of all the things that never happened, this one never happened the most.


Whoa. I mean that in a good way.
 
2013-11-19 08:10:13 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I don't call it Obamacare, because that's not its name.


If you were truly an angry drunk bureaucrat, that would have had a misspelling and an exclamation point.
 
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