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2013-11-19 10:11:45 AM  
"You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.
 
2013-11-19 10:23:38 AM  
I still call it Obamacare.
 
2013-11-19 10:25:03 AM  
I don't call it Obamacare, because that's not its name.
 
2013-11-19 10:25:04 AM  
uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.
 
2013-11-19 10:29:12 AM  
Notice how Republicans aren't keen on recognizing Afghanistan as Dubya War One and Iraq as Dubya War Two?
 
2013-11-19 10:34:10 AM  

doublesecretprobation: uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.


don't let the truth get in the way of their "victory"
 
2013-11-19 11:27:03 AM  
Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 11:42:23 AM  
No, I still see it called that and I still call it that.
 
2013-11-19 11:54:46 AM  
I use the names interchangeably.
 
2013-11-19 12:06:26 PM  
I tend to refer to it as the PPACA/"Obamacare" or the ACA/"Obamacare" the first time I mention it, and the PPACA or the ACA after that.

However, I also work in healthcare and am more often referring to aspects of the PPACA that have nothing to do with health insurance (meaningful use targets and such).  The exchanges are a tiny part of the PPACA and quite possibly the least important (though politically the most "costly").
 
2013-11-19 12:24:12 PM  
I call it "BoehnerCare", like those Tea Party folks suggested.
 
2013-11-19 12:39:04 PM  
I call it "HeritageCare" to memorialize its origin.
 
2013-11-19 12:42:08 PM  
I call it "NoOneCare" because no one really cares what you call it.
 
2013-11-19 12:43:49 PM  
So there's some conservatives out there that believe Democrats started calling it "Obamacare" because we wanted to tie this law to Obama forever and ever?

There's a lot of dumb people out there.
 
2013-11-19 12:46:51 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


I've been assured multiple times on Fark that democrats love the name Obamacare. The reasoning goes that in 50 years the ACA will be recognized as a seminal piece of legislation like social security, and the name "Obamacare" forever been links the legislation to a democrat president by name.

So yes, really.
 
2013-11-19 12:47:24 PM  
I call it Ted.
 
2013-11-19 12:49:37 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


Yup. I've always referred to it as the ACA.
 
2013-11-19 12:58:53 PM  
It's not Obamacare because it isn't anything like what Obama wanted in the first place.
 
2013-11-19 01:05:20 PM  
Call it whatever you want, but don't call it late for dinner!

...fine, I'll leave.
 
2013-11-19 01:10:26 PM  

ShawnDoc: I call it Ted.


media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-19 01:13:32 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


Aside from the first Obama-Romney debate? Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?
 
2013-11-19 01:14:38 PM  
Does this mean that we don't get to keep the death panels?

I have a granny that needs killin'.
 
2013-11-19 01:16:44 PM  
To be fair - the was an edict from the White House right after the bill was passed that basically told the media and others not to call it "Obamacare."  I kind of work in the industry and it's a big no-no to use it when in meetings etc.  We call it "ACA" instead.
 
2013-11-19 01:20:19 PM  

abb3w: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

Aside from the first Obama-Romney debate? Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?


Exactly.  Obama did what he often does - tried to own the weapons used against him.

It's usually a good tactic.  Unfortunately the rollout really stepped on that strategy.
 
2013-11-19 01:21:33 PM  

Elegy: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

I've been assured multiple times on Fark that democrats love the name Obamacare. The reasoning goes that in 50 years the ACA will be recognized as a seminal piece of legislation like social security, and the name "Obamacare" forever been links the legislation to a democrat president by name.

So yes, really.


"Some people say" is not the basis of a party behavior as a whole. By and large, democrats (elected or professional pundits) refer to it as ACA or some variation. Hell, I have occasionally been known to call it obamacare as a matter of expedience (because it's become such common vernacular) but not as a means of basking in obama's reflected glow.

The idea that the party as a whole are running away from the term is ridiculous because it was never commonly used by elected democrats to begin with.
 
2013-11-19 01:22:19 PM  
I call it Romneycare
 
2013-11-19 01:24:20 PM  
I call it Betty, and it can call me Al.
 
2013-11-19 01:25:28 PM  

James!: I still call it Obamacare.


This.  I use them interchangeably.  If anything, I've seen conservatives using "ACA" more often.  I think because it is just shorter.
 
2013-11-19 01:26:39 PM  
I've noticed the republicans are ever so slowly starting to call it the ACA once in a while. It's almost like some of them know the website ooga booga isn't going to last long. When the website is functioning like it is supposed to the talking point on cancelations goes away as well because people will have an affordable option that is actually better.

Let's not forget that they kicked the budget/debt ceiling fiasco all the way down the road to Jan 2014. They only have a handful of working days to get that done. So the news cycle will be bored with the ACA and we will be back at budget showdown mode before we know it.

I predict that will be another tantrum over the ACA/Ocare will be thrown during the next budget showdown. The usual House teatards will be a little over 10 months away from another election and they could care less about the national brand of the GOP. They are playing to their base and will be full retard mode until 11/4/2014.

In short the dems need to just ride it out. The teatards will snatch embarrassment from victory all on their own in due time.
 
2013-11-19 01:27:33 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
Ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson
 
2013-11-19 01:34:03 PM  
No

Is this relevant to...anything?
 
2013-11-19 01:37:41 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.


In a few more weeks, they will wish 0bamacare had favor-ability ratings as high as the POTUS.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:03 PM  
I think it's really stupid that people hate Obamacare, but are fine with the ACA. Conservatives need to hate Obama SO BADLY that they can't stand to be in favor of anything with his name on it. It's silly is what it is.

/never called it Obamacare
//because that's not its name
 
2013-11-19 01:40:25 PM  
I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:32 PM  

SlothB77: Lt. Cheese Weasel: "You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.

In a few more weeks, they will wish 0bamacare had favor-ability ratings as high as the POTUS.


The rumors of Obama's demise have been greatly exaggerated.  Again.  *yawn*
 
2013-11-19 01:43:10 PM  

nmrsnr: I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.


That's probably your best bet.  When having a serious political discussion about it with intelligent people, you'd expect them to know what the ACA is.  The GOP branding it Obamacare is definitely a risky move, because what if it turns out that a lot of people who otherwise had no options can now afford health insurance?  Sure, it will be GREAT for them if the whole thing turns out to be a huge failure, but that remains to be seen.
 
2013-11-19 01:47:03 PM  

abb3w: Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?


No, I don't, since he wasn't.
 
2013-11-19 01:47:08 PM  

abb3w: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

Aside from the first Obama-Romney debate? Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?


They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.  Now that it's clear that it is a complete clusterf*ck, they will call it Potatos to protect the ego of Dear Leader.

I call it shiat. Because that is what it is.
 
2013-11-19 01:55:35 PM  

bradkanus: To be fair - the was an edict from the White House right after the bill was passed that basically told the media and others not to call it "Obamacare."


No, this never happened.
 
2013-11-19 01:55:57 PM  
President Barack Obama and loyal Democrats once embraced the term Obamacare to sell the American people on health care reform.

Ha, no.
 
2013-11-19 01:57:11 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: abb3w: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

Aside from the first Obama-Romney debate? Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?

They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.  Now that it's clear that it is a complete clusterf*ck, they will call it Potatos to protect the ego of Dear Leader.

I call it shiat. Because that is what it is.


So you actually think Democrats invented the term "Obamacare"?
 
2013-11-19 01:57:33 PM  

obenchainr: I tend to refer to it as the PPACA/"Obamacare" or the ACA/"Obamacare" the first time I mention it, and the PPACA or the ACA after that.

However, I also work in healthcare and am more often referring to aspects of the PPACA that have nothing to do with health insurance (meaningful use targets and such).  The exchanges are a tiny part of the PPACA and quite possibly the least important (though politically the most "costly").


I like to call it "El PPACA".
 
2013-11-19 01:57:45 PM  
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

What?  Call it by its right name rather than by the name the right-wing think tanks came up with to turn people against it?  That's silly!
 
2013-11-19 01:58:30 PM  
Thanks for keeping me infromed of something that was never true.
 
2013-11-19 01:59:11 PM  
I call it Obarmacare and you call it Obaymacare, let's call the whole thing off.
 
2013-11-19 01:59:46 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: abb3w: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

Aside from the first Obama-Romney debate? Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?

They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.  Now that it's clear that it is a complete clusterf*ck, they will call it Potatos to protect the ego of Dear Leader.

I call it shiat. Because that is what it is.


Of all the things that never happened, this one never happened the most.
 
2013-11-19 02:00:40 PM  

Arkanaut: I like to call it "El PPACA".


El chuPPACAbre?
 
2013-11-19 02:00:45 PM  
media.salon.com

media.salon.com

media.salon.com
 
2013-11-19 02:00:52 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.


Really?

Is it your goal to be taken seriously by no one?
 
2013-11-19 02:01:00 PM  
What definition of "liberal" are we using this week?
 
2013-11-19 02:02:46 PM  
I call it Islamascam because that's what some of the blogodome's most illustrious and inventive commenters call it.

/i also call it Fartcare
 
2013-11-19 02:02:58 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.


Well, it's time to put you back on the ignore list. Even if you're not serious, that shiat gets tiring.
 
2013-11-19 02:02:59 PM  
This thread has great potential.
 
2013-11-19 02:03:18 PM  

Shostie: ShawnDoc: I call it Ted.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x282]


No... I farked you.
www.midnightreview.co.uk
 
2013-11-19 02:04:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.

Really?

Is it your goal to be taken seriously by no one?


What do you mean, "to be"? Almost no one takes him seriously now.
 
2013-11-19 02:04:44 PM  
holy shiat, there isn't a jpeg of a projector large enough for this one
 
2013-11-19 02:05:03 PM  
csb: My Tea Party uncle just referred to it yesterday as the ACA and said that it's the "mainstream media" that insists on calling the ACA "Obamacare."
 
2013-11-19 02:06:41 PM  
FTFH
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

because you Libulardos can't live with the fact that your socialist illegal legislation sucks.

Crown me.
 
2013-11-19 02:07:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-19 02:07:23 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

 
2013-11-19 02:07:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.

Really?

Is it your goal to be taken seriously by no one?


he's succeeded in that long before this thread.
 
2013-11-19 02:07:37 PM  

James!: I still call it Obamacare.


DINO!!!!
 
2013-11-19 02:08:23 PM  

Rhino_man: Of all the things that never happened, this one never happened the most.


Of all the things that I have read on FARK, I love this one the most.

/Today, so far, at least.
 
2013-11-19 02:08:25 PM  

mrshowrules: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

This.  I use them interchangeably.  If anything, I've seen conservatives using "ACA" more often.  I think because it is just shorter.


I've seen conservatives using ACA lately too. I think it's because they know now that they won't be able to repeal it before January 1st and have that realized that once it kicks in, many people won't want to give it up no matter what it's called. If the GOP keeps calling it Obamacare they won't be able to as easily make the pivot from trying to get rid of it to taking credit for it.
 
2013-11-19 02:13:23 PM  
Call it Ishmael.
 
2013-11-19 02:14:27 PM  
So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"You
have to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//
"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain
 
2013-11-19 02:16:39 PM  
Lou Gehrig sympathizes.
 
2013-11-19 02:16:42 PM  

apoptotic: mrshowrules: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

This.  I use them interchangeably.  If anything, I've seen conservatives using "ACA" more often.  I think because it is just shorter.

I've seen conservatives using ACA lately too. I think it's because they know now that they won't be able to repeal it before January 1st and have that realized that once it kicks in, many people won't want to give it up no matter what it's called. If the GOP keeps calling it Obamacare they won't be able to as easily make the pivot from trying to get rid of it to taking credit for it.


I think you give them to much credit.  I think many of them have actually convinced themselves that Obamacare is now a failure.  You are getting "I told you so" more and more often.

They've done that echo-chamber thing where the convince themselves of what the want to be true.  You know that thing that makes them look like fools when the delusion inevitably collides with reality.
 
2013-11-19 02:16:48 PM  
Have you noticed Republicans don't mention George W. Bush anymore?
 
2013-11-19 02:19:34 PM  

I_C_Weener: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

DINO!!!!


img2.timeinc.net

I prefer Dean-o.
 
2013-11-19 02:21:56 PM  
Nope, not calling it Obamacare here.

Typical libtarded DailyKos, running from the term like scared little libulardos.
 
2013-11-19 02:22:22 PM  
Democrats never called it Obamacare...
 
2013-11-19 02:22:40 PM  

doublesecretprobation: uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.


He mixes and matches. He has called it Obamcare, mostly commonly on "his" Facebook feed. It specifically started the day the SCOTUS upheld it.
 
2013-11-19 02:23:21 PM  
I usually use ACA because it saves a lot of characters in my tweets.
 
2013-11-19 02:26:37 PM  
Since Obamacare became law in March 23, 2010, the GDP has increased by 8%, unemployment has dropped from 9.9% to 7.3%, and the DOW has climbed from 10,000 to 16,000.

That's change we can believe in.
 
2013-11-19 02:26:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: I call it "HeritageCare" to memorialize its origin.


I call it Bob Dole Care, since Bob Dole would call it Bob Dole Care.

/Bob Dole
 
2013-11-19 02:27:06 PM  
Notice how Democrats never called it Obamacare?

Ok, good then.

next stupid ACA thread...
 
2013-11-19 02:28:36 PM  
Notice how Republicans are always prematurely triumphant?
 
2013-11-19 02:29:11 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does this mean that we don't get to keep the death panels?

I have a granny that needs killin'.


Is she preggo?  I was told if you got a preggo granny that the obamacare death squads will be right at your door!
 
2013-11-19 02:29:23 PM  
This just in...

Actual biologists don't call evolution evilution either.


/film at eleven
 
2013-11-19 02:30:46 PM  
 Funny, just last week it was still being held a great piece of legislation. Now Dems are trying to change the terms in hopes people are dumb enough to think that the ACA and Obamacare are two different things.
 
2013-11-19 02:32:10 PM  
is there really nothing else worthy of threads on the politics tab other than the ACA?? I'm really farking tired of the trolls and the repeated bad (and good) information. there's really nothing else to discuss here, can we maybe move on to something else?

Conservatards: It's the law, you're not getting rid of it, shut the fark up and move on.

Libulardos: It's not farking perfect, get over it, it will get better with time.

What's new with behghazi? is that a thing yet? no? hmm.
 
2013-11-19 02:32:57 PM  

pmdgrwr: Funny, just last week it was still being held a great piece of legislation. Now Dems are trying to change the terms in hopes people are dumb enough to think that the ACA and Obamacare are two different things.


Yes.  That's exactly what is happening.  Exactly.

In at least one alternate dimension, at least.
 
2013-11-19 02:34:13 PM  

Masso: Democrats never called it Obamacare...


Is Obama not a Democrat?
 
2013-11-19 02:36:27 PM  
I call it the Affordable Care Act. Mostly for the irony.
 
2013-11-19 02:37:38 PM  
 

Lando Lincoln: So there's some conservatives out there that believe Democrats started calling it "Obamacare" because we wanted to tie this law to Obama forever and ever?


 

Lando Lincoln: abb3w: Or do you not consider the President serious when he said he'd "become fond of this term"?

No, I don't, since he wasn't.


Just admit you're wrong.
 
2013-11-19 02:39:21 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


- RAND PAUL
 
2013-11-19 02:40:32 PM  

Elegy: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

I've been assured multiple times on Fark that democrats love the name Obamacare. The reasoning goes that in 50 years the ACA will be recognized as a seminal piece of legislation like social security, and the name "Obamacare" forever been links the legislation to a democrat president by name.

So yes, really.


Which is not the point at hand. The question was "Did we ever really?" and the answer is, for the most part, an emphatic no. Not that I expect you to let facts get in the way of your righteous rant.
 
2013-11-19 02:41:23 PM  

doublesecretprobation: uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.


Lie.
 
2013-11-19 02:42:22 PM  

Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain


Allow me to explain how reconciliation works.  The House and Senate each pass a version of the same bill, then a reconciliation committee is formed to come up with a final version that is supposed to be a compromise of the two.  That bill is then presented to the President.

So yes, we had to pass the Senate version of the bill to find out what would be in the final version of the bill, which had not yet been created.
 
2013-11-19 02:42:42 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lt. Cheese Weasel: They called it Obamacare before hand to appease the ego of Dear Leader.

Really?

Is it your goal to be taken seriously by no one?


I put him on ignore after he got his promotionto General Whargarble.

You should too.
 
2013-11-19 02:43:35 PM  
And here we have it being used by Democrats and Democrat groups.
 
2013-11-19 02:43:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: SlothB77: Lt. Cheese Weasel: "You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.

In a few more weeks, they will wish 0bamacare had favor-ability ratings as high as the POTUS.

The rumors of Obama's demise have been greatly exaggerated.  Again.  *yawn*


I don't know, I think he's guaranteed he'll never be elected again.
 
2013-11-19 02:45:33 PM  
And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.
 
2013-11-19 02:45:56 PM  
Whatever. It's all a propagandist's version of a priori blame. If you aren't intelligent enough to see through that, you're an idiot.
 
2013-11-19 02:46:12 PM  

Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain


Sorta went for the hat trick of stupidity, didn't ya?
 
2013-11-19 02:46:12 PM  
I think the implication here is that Democrats are trying to distance themselves from the ACA by removing the leader of their party's name from its commonly used, though not official, title. This, by inference, would indicate they believe the act itself is toxic politically, at least in the short term.

There seems to be some confusion.
 
2013-11-19 02:47:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: And here we have it being used by Democrats and Democrat groups.


....in an article about embracing the underhanded GOP tactics titled "democrats-embrace-once-pejorative-obamacare-tag. ". Are you this intellectually dishonest in evertday life? Doesn't it get tiring having to constantly refit facts in the face of your worldview?
 
2013-11-19 02:48:00 PM  

James!: I_C_Weener: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

DINO!!!!

[img2.timeinc.net image 350x400]

I prefer Dean-o.


Sheesh. Amazing how many of those stars died from cigarettes.
 
2013-11-19 02:49:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.


I_C_Weener: And here we have it being used by Democrats and Democrat groups.


mrwgifs.com
 
2013-11-19 02:50:13 PM  

Maud Dib: James!: I_C_Weener: James!: I still call it Obamacare.

DINO!!!!

[img2.timeinc.net image 350x400]

I prefer Dean-o.

Sheesh. Amazing how many of those stars died from cigarettes.


Cigarettes may have killed him, but he took thousands of those bastards down before they did.  Burned the farkers alive.
 
2013-11-19 02:50:22 PM  

Rhino_man: Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain

Allow me to explain how reconciliation works.  The House and Senate each pass a version of the same bill, then a reconciliation committee is formed to come up with a final version that is supposed to be a compromise of the two.  That bill is then presented to the President.

So yes, we had to pass the Senate version of the bill to find out what would be in the final version of the bill, which had not yet been created.


Well, yes, but this wasn't the context of Pelosi's comment.  She was talking to a constituent group, and saying that they wouldn't realize the benefits until it was passed.  She wasn't, as conservatives seem to suggest, talking to her caucus or dodging a question about what was in the bill.
 
2013-11-19 02:52:31 PM  

Rhino_man: I_C_Weener: And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.

I_C_Weener: And here we have it being used by Democrats and Democrat groups.

[mrwgifs.com image 450x306]


The herpers in here claiming it was never used, or embraced, or even hinted at by any Democrat in the history of socialism.
 
2013-11-19 02:53:21 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "You want the law to have approval rating higher than POTUS has," a Democratic official said Monday.

Lulz. That shouldn't be too hard. Just keep polishing that turd, it'll work out.


It still has a higher approval rating than Congress. So it's got that going for it.
 
2013-11-19 02:55:12 PM  

Cletus C.: I think the implication here is that Democrats are trying to distance themselves from the ACA by removing the leader of their party's name from its commonly used, though not official, title. This, by inference, would indicate they believe the act itself is toxic politically, at least in the short term.

There seems to be some confusion.


 
So at this point, even Democrats want to remove Obama... from Obamacare.

...probably a smart move.    It won't look good when Congress shuts the whole thing down if he is still associated with it.
 
2013-11-19 02:56:20 PM  
I guess HuffPo didn't get the memo.

And yes, Obama himself embraced the term in October 2012, using it in speeches dozens of times.

And good for him. It's his baby. There's nothing wrong with attaching his name to it, good or bad, and it's going to happen whether he "wants" it to or not. He should be PROUD to attach his name to it, if he's proud of the legislation.. shouldn't he?
 
2013-11-19 03:05:32 PM  

Shostie: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 248x203]
Ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson


"I'm sick of him already" - Lisa Simpson
 
2013-11-19 03:08:51 PM  

I_C_Weener: And here is a poll indicating that Democrat voters like the ACA better when called Obamacare than the real name.


And Conservatives hate Obamacare, but like what the ACA has to offer.

I like them both the same BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME
 
2013-11-19 03:09:41 PM  

Arkanaut: President Barack Obama and loyal Democrats once embraced the term Obamacare to sell the American people on health care reform.

Ha, no.



Ha, yes.

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/10/03/obam a- likes-obamacare/">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/w p/2012/10/03/obama- likes-obamacare/
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 03:10:08 PM  
I don't call it that. I don't think I ever did.
 
2013-11-19 03:11:44 PM  

incendi: Arkanaut: I like to call it "El PPACA".

El chuPPACAbre?


Yeah, chupathingy.
 
2013-11-19 03:12:52 PM  
It makes as much sense to call it ObamaCare as calling free government phones ObamaPhones or free government debit cards ObamaOhSnap.

Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x to create a larger pool of dependency to vote on people like him.  We should call them ObamaSheep.
 
2013-11-19 03:15:24 PM  
You want to call it 'Obamacare'? That's OK because I do care," Obama said in a March 16 speech.
Supporters of Obama's re-election can go to the http://store.barackobama.com/">campaign's website and order t-shirts, bumper stickers and buttons that say, "I Like Obamacare." For $35, you can get the "Obamacare Pack," which includes all three.
A http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/ilikeobamacare-because">March 23 blog post asked supporters to use the hashtag #ILikeObamacare. The campaign also has a https://www.facebook.com/ilikeobamacare">Facebook page called "Obamacare."

http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-left-with-little-choice-embra c es-term-obamacare-72330/">http://www.christianpost.com/news/obama-lef t-with-little-choice-embrac es-term-obamacare-72330/
 
2013-11-19 03:19:37 PM  
So, this means I won't get to participate in a death panel?

Damnit!

But how will my bloodlust for your grandma be satiated now?
 
2013-11-19 03:31:37 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Elegy: Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.

I've been assured multiple times on Fark that democrats love the name Obamacare. The reasoning goes that in 50 years the ACA will be recognized as a seminal piece of legislation like social security, and the name "Obamacare" forever been links the legislation to a democrat president by name.

So yes, really.

Which is not the point at hand. The question was "Did we ever really?" and the answer is, for the most part, an emphatic no. Not that I expect you to let facts get in the way of your righteous rant.


What righteous rant? What in the hell are you even talking about? All I was doing was pointing out that the GOP coined a "clever" turn of phrase the believe derogatory towards the ACA, while some democrats have embraced the term in the belief that in the long term, associating healthcare reform with a democratic president is a good thing.

And what "facts"? Are you suggesting that democrats don't use the term?

I_C_Weener has posted at least three links in this thread (including the one above) that show that yes, in fact, democrats have taken to the term "Obamacare" and used it as a stand in for "ACA."

But please, don't let me get in the way of you frothing at the mouth for no damn reason at all.

/dang it, now I gotta make sure my rabies vacc is up to date
 
2013-11-19 03:37:11 PM  
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

No.
 
2013-11-19 03:40:48 PM  
I call it Hal.
 
2013-11-19 03:41:56 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: It makes as much sense to call it ObamaCare as calling free government phones ObamaPhones or free government debit cards ObamaOhSnap.

Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x to create a larger pool of dependency to vote on people like him.  We should call them ObamaSheep.


Of course he did dear.

Now here's a cookie.  Go outside and play.
 
2013-11-19 03:45:48 PM  

Ambivalence: Did we ever? Really? That term was coined by republicans as an attempt to tie it around obama's neck so he wouldn't get reelected. It was never used seriously by democrats.


Seriously?  Ever watched MSNBC?  Maddow, Ed (whatever his last name is), Hayes and O'Donnell call it "Obamacare" all the time, and I cringe every time I hear it.
 
2013-11-19 03:46:18 PM  
Fark 2014: Notice how Republicans aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?"

I say son, you cannot dispute that the ACA law passed while I was in congress.
 
2013-11-19 03:58:30 PM  
I still use Obamacare a lot because most people just look at you with a blank stare if you say "ACA".
 
2013-11-19 04:08:27 PM  
This is bad news.

For Obama.
 
2013-11-19 04:08:52 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: We should call them ObamaSheep.


Don't you already call them ObamaBots?
 
2013-11-19 04:18:12 PM  

doublesecretprobation: uh, democrats have been referring to it by it's proper name all along, the president especially.


This times a million.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 04:30:28 PM  
marccortez.com
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 04:32:34 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Kangaroo_Ralph: We should call them ObamaSheep.

Don't you already call them ObamaBots?


Agreeing with Obama on an individual point or program = ObamaBot

Disagreeing with Obama on anything = OMG FREETHINKING ANTI-COMMUNIST LIBERTY LOVING FREE MAN!
 
2013-11-19 04:33:08 PM  
You can call it a turd sandwich if you want. Just make the damn thing work.
 
2013-11-19 04:49:17 PM  

Evil Democrats referring to the ACA as Obamacare just this weekend:

How we got Obamacare to work

 
2013-11-19 05:07:18 PM  
images.intomobile.com

The world according to Garp BOB
 
2013-11-19 05:10:15 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I don't call it Obamacare, because that's not its name.


I started calling it Obamacare instead of "the ACA" once Obama and the Democrats started using the term (a year or so ago).
 
2013-11-19 05:16:07 PM  
Nothing has changed at all. When discussing something informally or for a wider audience people sometimes use an informal term. When discussing it formally or in detail they tend to use more formally correct terms. Sometimes these terms are used completely interchangeably.

Doesn't alter the fact it is a good thing, has already helped millions, will help countless millions more and will in the end be a success and attached to his name. The entire attempt to suggest it 'has failed' is laughable and relies on the press running with that as story of the month. Next month there will be a different story, they are already getting bored of this one.

Don't like it? who farking cares?
 
2013-11-19 05:18:51 PM  
So here's the deal. Democratic politicians have generally avoided calling it "Obamacare" because in the short term, with the Koch machine at full blast and the positive aspects of the law not yet fully manifest, it's politically risky to tie themselves too closely to the law. (The obvious exception, of course, was Obama himself, who had no realistic expectation of distancing himself from his own most prominent change to public policy.)

Democratic activists, meanwhile, more willing to take the long view and believing that the merits of the law will eventually make it a winner, have been a lot more willing to embrace the "Obamacare" term.

The website fiasco and the cancellation letters, to be sure, have probably caused the latter to lose some steam of late, but you'll still find some activists willing to stay the course.
 
2013-11-19 05:31:35 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Obama took ideas intended to help the poor and exploded the taxpayer funding of them 1000x


That's an interesting claim. I'd love to see some evidence.
 
2013-11-19 05:32:03 PM  
Well I was drunk the day Obammy ruined insurance
And I still can't log in to healthcare.gov
But before I could slam ACA as ObamaCare
Them dang Libtards went and changed its name

And I'll piss and moan because he wants to help me
And I never minded saying ACA
And you don't have to call me ObamaCare, darlin'
You never even called me, well I wondered why you don't call me?
Why don't you ever call me by my name?
 
2013-11-19 05:39:40 PM  

Shostie: Ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson


Goddamn that's old.

So am I, since I remember that.
 
2013-11-19 05:47:39 PM  
Boulder Liberal Uranus is Huge! calls it Obamacare.

And I will continue to do so. In ten years we'll see misspelled Tea Party signs reading "Keep govermant out of my 0bamacair."
 
2013-11-19 06:05:21 PM  
Notice how Democrats aren't calling it "Obamacare" anymore?

Calling it the 'Affordable' Care Act isn't exactly accurate either. Maybe they should take a cue from Prince and name it some unpronounceable glyph.

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-19 06:10:13 PM  
Kind of like Democrats called the Strategic Defense Initiative "Star Wars."

Personally, I think the losing side should be able to name legislation that passes. It would make the names far more entertaining.
 
2013-11-19 06:10:59 PM  

nmrsnr: I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.


What people are going to remember is losing their existing plans and doctors, contrary to what they were told, just like they remembered "Read my lips: no new taxes".
 
2013-11-19 06:12:28 PM  
It's awful.  As soon as the website went down my sister got dropped from our parents' health plan and now she can't get insurance because of her pre-existing condition.  They really should have backed up the law someplace else instead of storing everything on healthcare.gov
 
2013-11-19 06:13:43 PM  

Snarfangel: Kind of like Democrats called the Strategic Defense Initiative "Star Wars."

Personally, I think the losing side should be able to name legislation that passes. It would make the names far more entertaining.


That's an interesting thought. I foresee the, "Republicans Want Children And Old People To DIE" and "Democrats Want To Enslave You" acts.
 
2013-11-19 06:17:26 PM  

jjorsett: nmrsnr: I use ACA among people who will know what that is, and Obamacare elsewhere. Long term I still think it was a bad move by Republicans for reminding everybody who is responsible for giving them access to health insurance. The website thing will blow over, but the insurance will stick around.

What people are going to remember is losing their existing plans and doctors, contrary to what they were told, just like they remembered "Read my lips: no new taxes".


And then they'll remember getting cheaper or outright subsidized plans that offered far better coverage.

/Won't someone PLEASE think of the scammy "insurance" companies?!
 
2013-11-19 06:24:16 PM  
I like how democrats who are ashamed of being called liberal, you know... because liberal, like to call themselves progressive. Which has nothing to do with Flo.
 
2013-11-19 06:25:37 PM  

Skleenar: Rhino_man: Swampmaster: So, we will now do a "Comment log review to see all the democrat f@rk3rs who cheered so drunkenly for this legislation over the last few months...

"With the president's approval ratings at record lows, a broken website and Obama under fire for his pledge that people could keep their plans, the "Affordable Care Act" has returned.

The president didn't say "Obamacare" once..."

Hey, it's a written law right?  No changes/ no complaints/ no do-overs...

/"Youhave to  pass the [health care]  bill so that  you can  find out what's in it!" Nancy Pelosi
//"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of  Congress; but I repeat myself." -  Mark Twain

Allow me to explain how reconciliation works.  The House and Senate each pass a version of the same bill, then a reconciliation committee is formed to come up with a final version that is supposed to be a compromise of the two.  That bill is then presented to the President.

So yes, we had to pass the Senate version of the bill to find out what would be in the final version of the bill, which had not yet been created.

Well, yes, but this wasn't the context of Pelosi's comment.  She was talking to a constituent group, and saying that they wouldn't realize the benefits until it was passed.  She wasn't, as conservatives seem to suggest, talking to her caucus or dodging a question about what was in the bill.


To be specific, she was addressing the National Association of COunties (NACo), an organization of county-level legislators and administrators.

Note the backdrop:
i1.ytimg.com

She was telling these county-level lawmakers and administrators at their 2010 Legislative Conference: "But we [Congress] have to pass the bill so that you [local government legislators and administrators] can find out what is in it ― away from the fog of controversy."
 
2013-11-19 06:50:46 PM  
Politico sounds.......concerned.
 
2013-11-19 06:57:18 PM  
Obamacare Obamacare  Obamacare  Obamacare  Obamacare

BOO!
 
2013-11-19 07:01:37 PM  
Seriously?  D's did not start calling it Obamacare.  Obama made that comment during the debate to make the term less of a derogatory term.
 
2013-11-19 07:22:32 PM  
I don't remember democrats ever calling it Obamacare. In fact calling it Obamacare is one reason republicans don't like it. If it was just the affordable health care act people wouldn't be objecting as much.
 
2013-11-19 07:40:30 PM  
Rhino_man:

Of all the things that never happened, this one never happened the most.


Whoa. I mean that in a good way.
 
2013-11-19 08:10:13 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I don't call it Obamacare, because that's not its name.


If you were truly an angry drunk bureaucrat, that would have had a misspelling and an exclamation point.
 
2013-11-19 08:10:41 PM  
You can call it what you want but I'd bet $100 that if you asked 1000 random folks what the ACA was they wouldn't know, but they'd sure as heck know what Obamacare was.

It is hilarious seeing the "I ALWAYS CALLED IT the ACA" folks here on Fark....  If someone you know wants a turd polisher for Christmas, you better let them know the bad news now instead of letting them wait. There are no more left anywhere because the usual suspects already bought them all.

I also find it amusing seeing folks here who throw around the term "teabagger" at any opportunity getting upset about the term "Obamacare."
 
2013-11-19 08:20:17 PM  
I call it Obama's Shaft because it will raise my premiums from $0 to whatever I wind up having to pay.  "W"'s Shaft was his tax cut that raised my taxes.  American politicians!  Helping Americans spend their money since 1776!  Before that it was King George and the Crown's taxation.  At least we got representation out of that deal.
 
2013-11-19 08:20:46 PM  
ObamaCare is easy to say, its easy to remember, and its damn catchy
 
2013-11-19 09:27:43 PM  
Undoubtedly written by the same people who, after fighting this abomination tooth and nail for years, are suddenly outraged, OUTRAGED, that the program isn't signing people up fast enough.
 
2013-11-19 09:49:39 PM  

skylabdown: You can call it what you want but I'd bet $100 that if you asked 1000 random folks what the ACA was they wouldn't know, but they'd sure as heck know what Obamacare was.

It is hilarious seeing the "I ALWAYS CALLED IT the ACA" folks here on Fark....  If someone you know wants a turd polisher for Christmas, you better let them know the bad news now instead of letting them wait. There are no more left anywhere because the usual suspects already bought them all.

I also find it amusing seeing folks here who throw around the term "teabagger" at any opportunity getting upset about the term "Obamacare."


I don't really care what it's called.  HeritageCare, GingrichCare, RomneyCare, ObamaCare.  Take your pick.  They're all accurate.
 
x23
2013-11-19 10:23:08 PM  

skylabdown: I also find it amusing seeing folks here who throw around the term "teabagger" at any opportunity getting upset about the term "Obamacare."



except the ACA was never officially called "Obamacare" whereas "Teabagger" was what they originally preferred to be called until they realized how ridiculous it was. so not really comparable at all.

some Farker has a linked/cited list of the "Teabagger" naming history that pretty conclusively proves it.
 
2013-11-19 10:45:17 PM  

bintherdunthat: I call it Obama's Shaft because it will raise my premiums from $0 to whatever I wind up having to pay.  "W"'s Shaft was his tax cut that raised my taxes.  American politicians!  Helping Americans spend their money since 1776!  Before that it was King George and the Crown's taxation.  At least we got representation out of that deal.


Not sure if herp or derp.

And yes it has to be one or the other.
 
2013-11-19 11:13:37 PM  

edmo: Undoubtedly written by the same people who, after fighting this abomination tooth and nail for years, are suddenly outraged, OUTRAGED, that the program isn't signing people up fast enough.


They aren't outraged, not in the slightest. They called it a long time before this thing went live. If anything they are saying "I told you so.". It was obvious just from a business point of view that the funding just wasn't going to work even if the website worked perfectly. It needed about 375,000 PER DAY to sign up in order to meet the goal set of 30 million new people in the insurance pool (and that ignores the people who got cancelled and had to go into the exchanges to replace the cancelled policies).

Now, there are going to be millions of people who either don't have healthcare because the system is clogged up and they won't be able to even find out by Dec 15th what they owe and to whom or because they can't afford the new premiums or any other number of reasons. This is going to cause the government subsidies to the ins. Co's to go even higher. Very few pro-ACA people talked about that bit of the law that had the sliding scale subsidies in it other than to say that the Ins. Co's could only make so much of a profit and then they would have to rebate the excess to the premium holders and then not mention the other side of that coin. The flip side of that coin is that they are also guaranteed a minimum profit as well, and that will come from the taxpayers in the form of higher subsidies.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven and in the end the insurance companies are going to be laughing all the way to the bank no matter how it ends up for the rest of us.
 
2013-11-19 11:15:21 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Now, there are going to be millions of people who either don't have healthcare because the system is clogged up and they won't be able to even find out by Dec 15th what they owe and to whom or because they can't afford the new premiums or any other number of reasons. This is going to cause the government subsidies to the ins. Co's to go even higher. Very few pro-ACA people talked about that bit of the law that had the sliding scale subsidies in it other than to say that the Ins. Co's could only make so much of a profit and then they would have to rebate the excess to the premium holders and then not mention the other side of that coin. The flip side of that coin is that they are also guaranteed a minimum profit as well, and that will come from the taxpayers in the form of higher subsidies.


Citations needed. No, Fox News doesn't count.
 
2013-11-19 11:16:31 PM  

Mentat: I don't really care what it's called.  HeritageCare, GingrichCare, RomneyCare, ObamaCare.  Take your pick.  They're all accurate.


That's a bit dishonest. Obamacare is different from all those other examples and you know it.
 
2013-11-19 11:53:54 PM  

cman: ObamaCare is easy to say, its easy to remember, and its damn catchy


So is the Clap.
 
2013-11-20 12:27:54 AM  

Brick-House: cman: ObamaCare is easy to say, its easy to remember, and its damn catchy

So is the Clap.


Thankfully ObamaCare will cover that for you.
 
2013-11-20 11:30:46 AM  

whidbey: Mentat: I don't really care what it's called.  HeritageCare, GingrichCare, RomneyCare, ObamaCare.  Take your pick.  They're all accurate.

That's a bit dishonest. Obamacare is different from all those other examples and you know it.


True.  ObamaCare was proposed by a Democrat.
 
2013-11-20 02:39:35 PM  

Mentat: whidbey: Mentat: I don't really care what it's called.  HeritageCare, GingrichCare, RomneyCare, ObamaCare.  Take your pick.  They're all accurate.

That's a bit dishonest. Obamacare is different from all those other examples and you know it.

True.  ObamaCare was proposed by a Democrat.


One who has fathered 2 mixed-race children with a Negress.
 
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