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(Gawker)   The Methodist pastor facing judgement for performing a same-sex marriage has been convicted. All thanks to one man who filed a complaint one month before the six-year statute of limitations was out   (gawker.com) divider line 210
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2013-11-19 12:36:15 PM
Oooh, it's just a BS church thing.

If you disagree with the core principles of the church you probably should consider a different one, there are plenty out there.
 
2013-11-19 01:18:58 PM
I bet that "one man" is a blast at parties.
 
2013-11-19 01:19:29 PM
Hey, don't do the crime if you can't do the time.


/and keep your eye on the sparrow
 
2013-11-19 01:20:07 PM
They must have invented the fully automated car.
 
2013-11-19 01:20:49 PM
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love*. But the greatest of these is love*.


* applies only to a male and female heterosexual relationship.
 
2013-11-19 01:20:51 PM
"nor has he apologized to anyone."

Nor should he.
 
2013-11-19 01:21:05 PM
The nice thing is that you can just move along to another religion more to your liking.
 
2013-11-19 01:21:27 PM
I was raised Methodist, and I am revolted by this.  We always had a pretty hands off policy on this kind of thing, and I still think of Methodism as one of the more laid back and tolerant branches of Protestantism.
 
2013-11-19 01:21:30 PM
Ah, the Church. Continuing the thousand+ year tradition of extra-governmental persecution of people who don't toe the denominational line.
 
2013-11-19 01:21:55 PM
He admits he did it, and then pleads not guilty?

He's certainly guilty of a couple of things, including being an idiot and a liar.
 
2013-11-19 01:22:39 PM
THANKS, CAESAR!
 
2013-11-19 01:23:07 PM

fireclown: I was raised Methodist, and I am revolted by this.  We always had a pretty hands off policy on this kind of thing, and I still think of Methodism as one of the more laid back and tolerant branches of Protestantism.


I was also raised Methodist and feel the exact same way.

What happened Methodists, you used to be cool?
 
2013-11-19 01:24:03 PM

hardinparamedic: Ah, the Church. Continuing the thousand+ year tradition of extra-governmental persecution of people who don't toe the denominational line.


The Sanhedrin frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2013-11-19 01:24:57 PM
It's statue.


//I know. It's a different episode
 
2013-11-19 01:25:17 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I bet that "one man" is a blast at parties.


What I was thinking. Christ, what an asshole. Dozens of other people in his church who are polite enough to mind their own damned knitting, but there's always one.
 
2013-11-19 01:25:29 PM
FTA "three of his four children are gay."

So many questions. . .
 
2013-11-19 01:25:30 PM

Descartes: He admits he did it, and then pleads not guilty?

He's certainly guilty of a couple of things, including being an idiot and a liar.


Guilt implies that you think you did something wrong.  Not being a bigot isn't wrong.
 
2013-11-19 01:26:38 PM
At least he isn't facing judgment.
 
2013-11-19 01:27:34 PM
He obviously did not listen to this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-GIAACClc
 
2013-11-19 01:27:46 PM
Pastebin link for those interested:

http://pastebin.com/1xwqn02H
 
2013-11-19 01:27:51 PM
Jesus is going to leave a lump of coal in Snitchy McSnitch's Christmas stocking >:(
 
2013-11-19 01:28:05 PM

Russ1642: They must have invented the fully automated car.


Hah... I know what happened here!
 
2013-11-19 01:28:22 PM

EvilEgg: Oooh, it's just a BS church thing.

If you disagree with the core principles of the church you probably should consider a different one, there are plenty out there.


"Marriage" is a social principle of the UMC, not a part of the core doctrine (you can look this stuff up in the Discipline, you know - it is online now).  And the UMC has a method in place to modify stuff; in fact, every four years, there is a big get together simply for the purpose of modifying the Discipline (I totally wish they would start calling said conference MethCon).
 
2013-11-19 01:28:37 PM
Rodney Wills feels your pain.

http://newsone.com/2665196/pastor-rodney-will-rick-ross/">http://new sone.com/2665196/pastor-rodney-will-rick-ross/
 
2013-11-19 01:29:28 PM
Jon Boger should be kicked in the balls. Every day for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-11-19 01:29:29 PM

fireclown: I was raised Methodist, and I am revolted by this. We always had a pretty hands off policy on this kind of thing, and I still think of Methodism as one of the more laid back and tolerant branches of Protestantism.


I was baptized a Methodist, but confirmed as a Congregationalist. While the difference between the two may be like vanilla versus French vanilla, Congregational Protestantism seems to be slightly more of a free spirit sect. If he wished to join them as a pastor, I wouldn't be surprised to see them accept him, no questions asked.
 
2013-11-19 01:30:15 PM
Everybody here needs to remember that the UMC is a global church and not just merely look at is an American institution if you want to understand this decision.
 
2013-11-19 01:30:27 PM

busy chillin': And now these three remain: faith, hope and love*. But the greatest of these is love*.


* applies only to a male and female heterosexual relationship.


Ballsiest thing I ever heard in a church was back when I lived in Lakeview in Chicago which bordered North Halstead, AKA"Boy's town" Chicago's "gay district" (complete with rainbow rings on lampposts installed by the city-but really jus t the gay MEN's district, the lesbians actually lived two neighborhoods north in Andersonville with the elderly Swedes)

The gorgeous old Church in the neighborhood had a special AGLO mass (Archbishop's Gay and Lesbian Outreach-if you can imagine such a thing in the RC church) at 7:00 sunday nights, which was often about the time my Catholic guilt for missing mass kicked in, and since I was in walking distance...(besides, the choir for that mass? faaaaabulous!)

One night, I heard an openly gay priest deliver a sermon to that congregation telling them in no uncertain terms that the greatest, most serious sin they could possibly commit in life was to refuse to love those that God had put in their life to love.

One of the reasons I didn;t give up on the church entirely in the last decade was remebering that sermon and the evidence it provided that maybe a few people associated with the brand actually understand what it's really all about.
 
2013-11-19 01:31:17 PM
Damn these people, believing what they want to believe.
 
2013-11-19 01:31:27 PM

HMS_Blinkin: I bet that "one man" is a blast at parties.


And, as it turns out, he doesn't even live in the area any more, but felt like being a dick for family revenge reasons.
 
2013-11-19 01:32:03 PM

Descartes: He admits he did it, and then pleads not guilty?

He's certainly guilty of a couple of things, including being an idiot and a liar.


You could argue that you did the deed you are accused of doing but it was not a crime or violation.
 
2013-11-19 01:32:13 PM

phalamir: EvilEgg: Oooh, it's just a BS church thing.

If you disagree with the core principles of the church you probably should consider a different one, there are plenty out there.

"Marriage" is a social principle of the UMC, not a part of the core doctrine (you can look this stuff up in the Discipline, you know - it is online now).  And the UMC has a method in place to modify stuff; in fact, every four years, there is a big get together simply for the purpose of modifying the Discipline (I totally wish they would start calling said conference MethCon).


And every four years, they have held up this part of the discipline and refused to change it. With the coming of full representation of the African wing of the UMC in future conferences, this change will not come any time soon.
 
2013-11-19 01:32:19 PM

Since when do we report on "church law" like it farking matters!?

Oh, noes! A bunch of folks in a club have decided that one of its members doesn't belong, because he broke a club rule! In return, the other club members will decide if he should be punished... how, exactly?
It's not like they can levy financial penalties, or jail time, or anything other than "your activities within the club will be negatively impacted, up to and including expulsion from the club." Big deal.

In other words, these Methodists are intolerant assholes - but, we knew this already. This guy tried to be more tolerant, and as a result, he could end up unable to minister to these intolerant assholes. I fail to see the downside here.
 
2013-11-19 01:33:18 PM
His actions are going to lead to wide changes in the Methodist church: http://www.appeal-democrat.com/features/article_bad02254-3d09-11e3-96 6 0-001a4bcf6878.html

My wife and I are both pretty active in the Balt/DC Conference (she is studying to become a pastor and I do other ministries). We're pretty tied in with the younger clergy set, and I've had to opportunity to speak a few times at gatherings of the entire conference, on the need for the church to reframe it's discipline and teachings on homosexuality. Good stuff is happening.
 
2013-11-19 01:33:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-19 01:34:40 PM
Not surprising. Methodists are just Baptists who can read.
 
2013-11-19 01:34:55 PM
He said he understood Schafer's motivation.

"It's his son. He loves his son. In a way I felt bad for him," Boger said.


But you decided to be a monumental cock anyway. I hope you rot in whatever fictional hell you've created in your delusional, bigoted, UNCHRISTIAN psyche.

F*cker.
 
2013-11-19 01:35:05 PM

generallyso: [i.imgur.com image 660x881]


Pretty much.
 
2013-11-19 01:35:07 PM
Step 2: Starts his own church

Step 3: Same as usual
 
2013-11-19 01:35:37 PM
But did he color outside the lines?? DID HE!?!?
 
2013-11-19 01:36:00 PM
Judgement, huh?

Does anyone bother to read the farking bible anymore?

Luke 6:37
Matthew 7:1-5
Romans 14:1-23
Corinthians 4:1-21
John 8:7

etc... etc...
 
2013-11-19 01:38:12 PM

George Babbitt: Everybody here needs to remember that the UMC is a global church and not just merely look at is an American institution if you want to understand this decision.


It does play a pretty major role in things. The UMC is about 2/3rds USA (and 95% of the money is), but the non-USA opinion is important here. There are also quite a lot of black UMC churches/pastors in the US (unlike some of the other mainline liberal protestants), and they've been... hesitant. They'd very likely be following the UCC, ELCA, United Church of Canada, etc if it were just the white US congregations many of us grew up in.
 
2013-11-19 01:38:15 PM

Magorn: most serious sin they could possibly commit in life was to refuse to love those that God had put in their life to love.


The argument being put forth that people don't have the right to define what love is regarding persons coming into a relationship outside the definition of the church's position also holds true for other people not having the right to define what love is when it is regarding the church and how it wishes to express their love for the people that "God had put in their life to love." You take away the credibility of the argument for the validity of the love that one person defines if you refuse to acknowledge the validity of the love that the church and its people have for others.
 
2013-11-19 01:38:33 PM

dr.zaeus: Does anyone bother to read the farking bible anymore?


Anecdotally, Christians who read the bible tend to not be Christians afterward.
 
2013-11-19 01:39:07 PM

Descartes: He admits he did it, and then pleads not guilty?

He's certainly guilty of a couple of things, including being an idiot and a liar.


I be that makes you really angry.
 
2013-11-19 01:39:22 PM
He could have avoided the trial altogether if he had agreed to never again perform a same-sex wedding but he refused because three of his four children are gay.

This seems...unusual.
 
2013-11-19 01:39:53 PM
from the snitch: "When pastors take the law of the church in their own hand ... it undermines their own credibility as a leader and also undermines the integrity of the church as a whole," Boger said.

depending on the observer, actions taken by the church didn't change that outcome.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:07 PM

The Muthaship: Step 2: Starts his own church

Step 3: Same as usual


Alternate steps: gets enough publicity as a victim that the UCC or Unitarians beg him to change denominations.
 
2013-11-19 01:40:59 PM

INeedAName: My wife and I are both pretty active in the Balt/DC Conference (she is studying to become a pastor and I do other ministries). We're pretty tied in with the younger clergy set, and I've had to opportunity to speak a few times at gatherings of the entire conference, on the need for the church to reframe it's discipline and teachings on homosexuality. Good stuff is happening.


blog.chabad.edu
 
2013-11-19 01:41:44 PM
Here's an idea, if you are so at odds with the organization you belong to, find another organization.
 
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