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(CNN)   Remember when McDonald's released a budget that they said their workers could use to live on? Well, four actual McDonald's employees let us see their budgets with predictable, pathetic results   (money.cnn.com) divider line 732
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2013-11-19 09:15:09 AM
Thank God CNN chose to organize that article into a slideshow. That would have been far too much information to digest on one page.
 
2013-11-19 09:31:15 AM
I'm just jealous that one guy only has to pay $45 a month for heating.  Imagine being a Mickey-D's worker up here in the Great White North.

/average about $150/month for heating
//yes, that's averaged over the summer, too
 
2013-11-19 10:11:03 AM

xanadian: /average about $150/month for heating


I understand that older appartments are insulated like Gilligan's bamboo hut, but cripes!  That's what I pay for heating in my 3 bedroom house.
 
2013-11-19 10:11:47 AM
Should of went to college. I worked double shifts to pay my way through Night Court and I didn't ask for anything from anybody. The all-consuming, crushing resentment I feel because of this has given me hypertension and turned me into an angry, unlovable loner, but I do own a Polaris Ranger and several Japanese swords.
 
2013-11-19 10:12:51 AM
Sad but not the slightest bit surprising.  Jobs like that are perhaps suited for teenage summer jobs, but no one can possibly raise a family on that.  I have a 6 year old daughter, just ONE kid and I couldn't even come close.  Given the option between working at McDonalds or not working at all, I would not work at all, I would just live off government benefits because I would have absolutely NOTHING to gain by working.
 
2013-11-19 10:18:30 AM

nekom: I would just live off government benefits because I would have absolutely NOTHING to gain by working.


What about the simple satisfaction of making tons of money for your absentee franchisee and knowing you're selling food that's killing other poor people? You can't really put a price on that.
 
2013-11-19 10:20:03 AM

sigdiamond2000: Should of went to college. I worked double shifts to pay my way through Night Court and I didn't ask for anything from anybody. The all-consuming, crushing resentment I feel because of this has given me hypertension and turned me into an angry, unlovable loner, but I do own a Polaris Ranger and several Japanese swords.


Same here. Sure, my parents provided for me for 18 years, and made sure I got a good education, and paid for half of college, and loaned me some money after I lost my first job until I was able to support myself. I didn't ask for anything, it was just given to me.

I don't get it. Why don't these people have better parents?

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2013-11-19 10:22:45 AM

sigdiamond2000: Should of went to college. I worked double shifts to pay my way through Night Court and I didn't ask for anything from anybody. The all-consuming, crushing resentment I feel because of this has given me hypertension and turned me into an angry, unlovable loner, but I do own a Polaris Ranger and several Japanese swords.


"Should have gone" to college.

One of them is.

Repeat from last July.

Still makes my brain hurt.
 
2013-11-19 10:24:43 AM
They should just do what the original article suggested: Get a second job.  And a third job to pay for the expenses of the first two.
 
2013-11-19 10:25:09 AM
Why do you have a car payment, and $800 a month in spending money.... I see your problem right there.
 
2013-11-19 10:25:39 AM
Most of them have made bad decisions in their lives that they are now paying for.  One sends half his money in child support.  All clearly didn't study hard in school to get better jobs.  Each is a minority, and would have qualified for affirmative action to help them get better jobs.
 
2013-11-19 10:26:18 AM

dv-ous: sigdiamond2000: Should of went to college. I worked double shifts to pay my way through Night Court and I didn't ask for anything from anybody. The all-consuming, crushing resentment I feel because of this has given me hypertension and turned me into an angry, unlovable loner, but I do own a Polaris Ranger and several Japanese swords.

"Should have gone" to college.

One of them is.

Repeat from last July.

Still makes my brain hurt.


So didja gone get your ejimications done?
 
2013-11-19 10:26:30 AM
I might get flamed for this, but here it goes.

McDonald's will pay an employee what McDonald's thinks the employee is worth.  If hiring you increases firm revenue by $12 per hour, they'll pay you $12 or less per hour.  Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

The labor contract was agreed on by both parties.  Here's the job, here's what you get paid.  McDonald's isn't forcing anyone to work there that didn't want to work there.

If you think your job sucks, you can look for others.  You can try to gain skills, or maybe even take some vocational courses to learn a trade.  McDonald's doesn't have a monopsony on the labor market.
 
2013-11-19 10:27:36 AM
"Besides tuition, some of Yates' expenses that fall under the "other" category are $40 per month for contact lenses and $50 on clothes "

buy one pair of $40 glasses..mr I need to look pretty so I wear contacts

eat more careful and you wont need to buy new clothes every month.
 
2013-11-19 10:27:54 AM

nekom: Sad but not the slightest bit surprising.  Jobs like that are perhaps suited for teenage summer jobs, but no one can possibly raise a family on that.  I have a 6 year old daughter, just ONE kid and I couldn't even come close.  Given the option between working at McDonalds or not working at all, I would not work at all, I would just live off government benefits because I would have absolutely NOTHING to gain by working.


You can work and get government benefits. That's what most (of the non-retired, non-permanently disabled) people who get benefits do.
 
2013-11-19 10:28:08 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why do you have a car payment, and $800 a month in spending money.... I see your problem right there.


Remember lots of people live where there is no public transit so, no car = no job
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-19 10:28:16 AM
One who can't afford to pay college tuition out of salary. Two who can't afford to raise a family on McWages. One with high but undocumented "other" expenses.
 
2013-11-19 10:28:45 AM

brobdiggy: Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?


It isn't. And without any organized worker action to increase wages, there is no one left but the government to step in and lift the wage floor.
 
2013-11-19 10:29:11 AM
". He constantly outgrows his clothes or needs a haircut, "

buy a damn $12 hair clipper from walyworld.  Cut it yourself.
 
2013-11-19 10:29:33 AM
This is why I'm boycotting their product until they give the employees more money.
 
2013-11-19 10:30:00 AM
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/oblig
 
2013-11-19 10:30:16 AM
odinsposse:
You can work and get government benefits. That's what most (of the non-retired, non-permanently disabled) people who get benefits do.

Maybe so, but if I'm going to be desperately poor whether I work or not, I'm sure as hell not going to work.  Bit of a moot point in my case as my expenses are low and I have a good job at the moment, but I can't really blame people who just say "Fark it.  I give up.  I can never get anywhere, I'm just going to live off welfare, fark this noise."
 
2013-11-19 10:30:29 AM
Kyle makes money some other way that he is not willing to admit to for fear of law enforcement catching up with him
 
2013-11-19 10:31:03 AM

brobdiggy: McDonald's will pay an employee what McDonald's thinks the employee is worth.  If hiring you increases firm revenue by $12 per hour, they'll pay you $12 or less per hour.  Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?


Abundance in the labour market ensures that MacDonald's - and in fact every simple-job employer - can pay their employees less than what they are worth to the business and the money they bring in. If an employee dares to think he should be paid more in line what he is worth to the company than what the company condescends to pay, the employee is swiftly fired and replaced.

Are you living under a rock, or just stupid?
 
2013-11-19 10:31:18 AM
kvinesknows
2013-11-19 10:29:11 AM


". He constantly outgrows his clothes or needs a haircut, "

buy a damn $12 hair clipper from walyworld. Cut it yourself.[/quote[
Better yet, stop popping out crotchfruit like a pez dispenser till you can farking afford to feed them.
 
2013-11-19 10:31:23 AM
The first guy is working less than 20 hours a week.
 
2013-11-19 10:31:46 AM
Anyone else notice that they are all black?
 
2013-11-19 10:32:09 AM
If you walk into McDonalds for a job in order to support yourself or others, you are sadly mistaken.  At best it can be a stepping stone to becoming a manger or getting a- and pardon the expression here- a real job.  McDonalds was not designed to support a labor force with children to raise and bills to pay.  They were re-organized in the 60s or 70s to be a job for high school or college kids to get some spending money.  There's a reason that the stereotype is that the assistant manager is a high school kid.  That's what the job is SUPPOSED to be.

If you need something to stretch dollars between jobs, talk to McDonalds.  If you are trying to get some spending money for awesome nights out, talk to McDonalds.  If you are trying to support yourself in virutally any way outside of living with 2 or 3 roommates (not children, but roommmates) then you should probably be working towards another ends.  Which you can manage through night school or community college, though it is  exceptionally hard to do once you are in the cycle.  There are programs to get you educated for jobs at most technical schools in a region.  Sometimes you can even qualify for programs to pay for your education.  In South Carolina we have an extraordinarily developed technical college and the "lottery money" will provide you with a full tuition ride.
 
2013-11-19 10:32:13 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why do you have a car payment, and $800 a month in spending money.... I see your problem right there.


No, you don't, because in that "other" category were things like FOOD.  Read the notes and car payments were bus/cabs or the one did OWN his car and had no payment.

But you're just trolling, and I bit.

Yay you.
 
2013-11-19 10:32:34 AM
monoski


Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why do you have a car payment, and $800 a month in spending money.... I see your problem right there.

Remember lots of people live where there is no public transit so, no car = no job


You can own a car without a payment, I know it makes you lesser of a person to have a cheap older vehicle but it still gets you from A to B.
 
2013-11-19 10:32:38 AM
I think the saddest example here is the last one that's been there for 21 years and gets roughly $600 a month. Either he's one of the worst employees in the world yet can keep a job or something's messed up.
 
2013-11-19 10:32:38 AM
Is this the thread where we ignore the fact that some people make terrible life decisions, and that people who point this out are automatically 1%ers who got everything from their parents?
 
2013-11-19 10:32:43 AM

brobdiggy: I might get flamed for this, but here it goes.

McDonald's will pay an employee what McDonald's thinks the employee is worth.  If hiring you increases firm revenue by $12 per hour, they'll pay you $12 or less per hour.  Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

The labor contract was agreed on by both parties.  Here's the job, here's what you get paid.  McDonald's isn't forcing anyone to work there that didn't want to work there.

If you think your job sucks, you can look for others.  You can try to gain skills, or maybe even take some vocational courses to learn a trade.  McDonald's doesn't have a monopsony on the labor market.


If you have no skills, how can you gain them?
 
2013-11-19 10:32:54 AM
now I want a fricken big mac.
 
2013-11-19 10:33:19 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: brobdiggy: Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

It isn't. And without any organized worker action to increase wages, there is no one left but the government to step in and lift the wage floor.


Completely wrong.  The government should NOT decide how much firms pay their workers.  If McDonald's REALLY IS abusing their workers with terrible pay and conditions, Burger King or Wendy's or Dairy Queen could offer better conditions and pay.  Labor would migrate away from McD's until they paid better wages.  McD's would be in trouble without the labor help, so they would have to start paying more.

Like I said, McDonald's does NOT have a labor market monopsony here.

So many people cry about how all jobs should pay $15 per hour.  Seriously... that is the number the striking food workers mentioned.  Some jobs aren't worth $15 per hour -- you don't want to hear it, but it is true.
 
2013-11-19 10:34:51 AM
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Hey, I started out mopping the floor just like you guys. But now... now I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries; then the grill. And pretty soon, I'll make assistant manager, and that's when the big bucks start rolling in.
 
2013-11-19 10:35:48 AM

brobdiggy: McDonald's isn't forcing anyone to work there that didn't want to work there.


What a useless statement. No one works at McDonald's because they want to, they do it because of a lack of more appealing options. Oh, and the fact that money is required to, you know, obtain sustenance and shelter. Prerequisites for life and such.

/it's time for "Predict that Glib Response!"
//will it be "so move to where the jobs are"?
///or perhaps "it's their fault for not getting a STEM degree"?
 
2013-11-19 10:35:50 AM
reillan:

If you have no skills, how can you gain them?

Do you really need to ask this question?  How about education for starters?  "Boo hoo I have no skills and get paid minimum wage".  Well, get some skills.  Learn a trade. Community colleges do exist, and they're cheap.
 
2013-11-19 10:35:59 AM

WinoRhino: Is this the thread where we ignore the fact that some people make terrible life decisions, and that people who point this out are automatically 1%ers who got everything from their parents?


No, this is the thread where we ignore the fact that some people working jobs at this level aren't there because they made terrible life decisions.  So we assume these are all teenagers in temporary jobs and therefore do not deserve to make a living wage.
 
2013-11-19 10:36:00 AM
So, stupid people need jobs too?  Off to China then!
 
2013-11-19 10:36:38 AM

brobdiggy: Dusk-You-n-Me: brobdiggy: Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

It isn't. And without any organized worker action to increase wages, there is no one left but the government to step in and lift the wage floor.

Completely wrong.  The government should NOT decide how much firms pay their workers.  If McDonald's REALLY IS abusing their workers with terrible pay and conditions, Burger King or Wendy's or Dairy Queen could offer better conditions and pay.  Labor would migrate away from McD's until they paid better wages.  McD's would be in trouble without the labor help, so they would have to start paying more.

Like I said, McDonald's does NOT have a labor market monopsony here.

So many people cry about how all jobs should pay $15 per hour.  Seriously... that is the number the striking food workers mentioned.  Some jobs aren't worth $15 per hour -- you don't want to hear it, but it is true.


Why? There is absolutely zero logic behind this statement. If other companies in the same market collude to keep wages low (read: at/near minimum wage) why should any of them help the competition by raising their own costs?
 
2013-11-19 10:36:46 AM

brobdiggy: So many people cry about how all jobs should pay $15 per hour. Seriously... that is the number the striking food workers mentioned. Some jobs aren't worth $15 per hour -- you don't want to hear it, but it is true.


If i remember those people were mostly in California.  Some places would require that for a minimum livable wage. In the middle of flyover country you are correct that would be excessive.
 
2013-11-19 10:37:23 AM

brobdiggy: I might get flamed for this, but here it goes.

McDonald's will pay an employee what McDonald's thinks the employee is worth.  If hiring you increases firm revenue by $12 per hour, they'll pay you $12 or less per hour.  Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

The labor contract was agreed on by both parties.  Here's the job, here's what you get paid.  McDonald's isn't forcing anyone to work there that didn't want to work there.

If you think your job sucks, you can look for others.  You can try to gain skills, or maybe even take some vocational courses to learn a trade.  McDonald's doesn't have a monopsony on the labor market.


Yes a contract between a multibillion dollar multinational megacorporation and a broke motherfarker who's gonna be under a bridge without a job who is competing with thousands of other broke motherfarkers for the slot.

No power imbalance there. Just rational actors consenting to contracts.
 
2013-11-19 10:37:26 AM

brobdiggy: The government should NOT decide how much firms pay their workers.


Are you suggesting there should be no minimum wage?
 
2013-11-19 10:37:45 AM

bopis: dv-ous: sigdiamond2000: Should of went to college. I worked double shifts to pay my way through Night Court and I didn't ask for anything from anybody. The all-consuming, crushing resentment I feel because of this has given me hypertension and turned me into an angry, unlovable loner, but I do own a Polaris Ranger and several Japanese swords.

"Should have gone" to college.

One of them is.

Repeat from last July.

Still makes my brain hurt.

So didja gone get your ejimications done?


For all the good it did me.

/Third degree's the charm...
 
2013-11-19 10:37:46 AM

brobdiggy: Do you really need to ask this question? How about education for starters? "Boo hoo I have no skills and get paid minimum wage". Well, get some skills. Learn a trade. Community colleges do exist, and they're cheap.


Okay, so I have no skills and I get paid minimum wage.  I looked up the local community college and it actually does exist and what's more, it is indeed cheap.  My rent payment doesn't go away after I signed up for classes.

So what farking part about I make minimum wage did you not understand?
 
2013-11-19 10:37:56 AM
They should all convert to Judaism. Then they'll be much better with money.
 
2013-11-19 10:38:02 AM

brobdiggy: Dusk-You-n-Me: brobdiggy: Why is it up to McDonald's to provide the employee with anything else?

It isn't. And without any organized worker action to increase wages, there is no one left but the government to step in and lift the wage floor.

Completely wrong.  The government should NOT decide how much firms pay their workers.  If McDonald's REALLY IS abusing their workers with terrible pay and conditions, Burger King or Wendy's or Dairy Queen could offer better conditions and pay.  Labor would migrate away from McD's until they paid better wages.  McD's would be in trouble without the labor help, so they would have to start paying more.

Like I said, McDonald's does NOT have a labor market monopsony here.

So many people cry about how all jobs should pay $15 per hour.  Seriously... that is the number the striking food workers mentioned.  Some jobs aren't worth $15 per hour -- you don't want to hear it, but it is true.


Let's assume there are 2 million jobs and 1 million workers.  It's a buyer's market and the workers can choose what jobs they want.

The fact is, though, that it's the other way around.  When there are more workers than jobs, employers can offer #@!% wages and people will still take them because there is no alternative.  Dairy Queen could offer much more money to lure people away, but there's no incentive for them to do so.  Instead, all of these companies are incentivized by Wall Street to pay as little as humanly possible, to increase the revenues of the moneyed interests who are buying huge pools of stock in the company.
 
2013-11-19 10:38:04 AM

cman: Anyone else notice that they are all black?


No, you racist bastard.

Everyone at McDonalds is black.  Watch the commercials.  There is one white girl serving food, everyone else in the building is a colored.
 
2013-11-19 10:38:18 AM
I think if you have advanced skills like pouring soda from a machine,  passing a bag through a window, or assembling a sandwich should at least make 125k.

The guy that sprays the degreaser compound out of a bug sprayer in the parking lot should probably get a premium of 130k.     He usually has to also take out the trash.   Those bags are heavy and the plan sprayer has a screw on lid that requires you to carefully line up the threads.

...and they should get free healthcare and daycare.

McDonalds is just not doing enough.
 
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