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(Slate)   Obama secretly attempts to ban cellphone unlocking. Turns out there really are two sides to Obama   (slate.com) divider line 35
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2013-11-19 09:04:32 AM  
This is what the Bible warned us about.

Judges 3:23 23: "Then Ehud went forth through the porch, and shut the doors of the parlour upon him, and locked them."

I don't think I need to explain to you what that means. Just repent now while there's still time.
 
2013-11-19 09:24:03 AM  
You mean Obama lied to the public?  Color me shocked.
 
2013-11-19 09:38:28 AM  
Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.
 
2013-11-19 09:43:41 AM  

lilbjorn: Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.


This
 
2013-11-19 09:50:41 AM  

lilbjorn: Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.


God forbid anyone but the Democrats should fark us all over.

Cause then we'd have to condemn it instead of defend it.

This treaty also allows foreign corporations to override US law and regulation.
 
2013-11-19 09:52:05 AM  
Well, bless his heart.
 
2013-11-19 09:55:23 AM  

lilbjorn: Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.


Both sides are bad so vote Obama?
 
2013-11-19 10:00:50 AM  

Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?


been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?
 
2013-11-19 10:05:18 AM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?


Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?
 
2013-11-19 10:11:24 AM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: "Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"


Sure, Obama is working in secret to give Corporations even more power to ignore US laws and regulations while claiming to stand for the exact opposite.

But imagine how horrible it would be if Romney did the same thing!
 
2013-11-19 10:24:54 AM  

grumpfuff: Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?


And...?
 
2013-11-19 10:34:39 AM  

grumpfuff: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?

Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?


A)  John McCain with Caribou Barbie
B) "Say anything to get elected" Mitt Romney with "Babe lost in the woods" Paul Ryan

So....
 
2013-11-19 10:35:18 AM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: grumpfuff: Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?

And...?


So you were hibernating all of last year?
 
2013-11-19 10:43:35 AM  
So he was working on this "under the radar" like gun control?
 
2013-11-19 10:45:22 AM  
So, a draft of a treaty that is still being negotiated seems to suggest that it would make unlocking cell phones illegal? Wow! That's pretty damning! Impeach him!
 
2013-11-19 10:47:16 AM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: And...?


And it's bad if the Republicans do it!
 
2013-11-19 10:48:20 AM  
It seems we're increasingly moving to a society where we aren't even allowed to own things we buy - your legal digital music collection isn't owned by you, it's leased with strict rules on what you can do with it and whether you can pass it on to anyone.  Your e-books aren't owned by you, they're leased with strict rules on even lending them to people.  Hell - a case attempting to eliminate First Sale for actual physical books managed to get all the way to the Supreme Court before getting struck down. Banning someone from modifying a product they supposedly own? Total bullshiat.

These companies should at least be
prohibited from using terms like "Buy" or "Purchase" - if they're leasing something to you the language should be honest about it.
 
2013-11-19 10:53:34 AM  

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?


We know that if McCain/Palin were elected that we'd be in two more unfunded wars.
 
2013-11-19 10:55:22 AM  

stevetherobot: So, a draft of a treaty that is still being negotiated seems to suggest that it would make unlocking cell phones illegal?


Well, then.

All they have to do is release the text of the treaty to the people.

Or to Congress.

Or to anyone aside from the Corporations who bought and paid for it.

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) introduced legislation late Wednesday to protest the Obama administration's refusal to share information about controversial trade negotiations with the senator.

The administration's blockade against Wyden, who chairs a subcommittee on international trade, conflicts with its prior statements to the press, and raises concerns that President Barack Obama's administration is selectively icing out critics of the administration's trade strategy.

But while the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative shares draft negotiation documents on the Trans-Pacific deal with the governments of other nations and American corporate executives who serve on advisory boards, it withholds them from the American public and most nonprofit groups -- forcing many public health advocates, for instance, to learn about the deals through illegal leaks or informal channels.

"The majority of Congress is being kept in the dark as to the substance of the TPP negotiations, while representatives of U.S. corporations -- like Halliburton, Chevron, PhRMA, Comcast and the Motion Picture Association of America -- are being consulted and made privy to details of the agreement," said Wyden.


But you keep on herping that derp and defending this bullshiat...

dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-11-19 10:57:27 AM  

lilbjorn: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?

We know that if McCain/Palin were elected that we'd be in two more unfunded wars.


Thank God Obama and Hillary opposed another war in Syria???

Oh, wait. They didn't.
 
2013-11-19 11:04:27 AM  

stevetherobot: So, a draft of a treaty that is still being negotiated seems to suggest that it would make unlocking cell phones illegal? Wow! That's pretty damning! Impeach him!


And it'd override all our laws! BLACK HELICOPTERS! UN! WHARGARBLE! ARM THE POTATOES!
 
2013-11-19 11:22:09 AM  

Summercat: stevetherobot: So, a draft of a treaty that is still being negotiated seems to suggest that it would make unlocking cell phones illegal? Wow! That's pretty damning! Impeach him!

And it'd override all our laws! BLACK HELICOPTERS! UN! WHARGARBLE! ARM THE POTATOES!


Man. That Citizens United ruling was the best thing that ever happened to us!

But if only the obscenely wealthy weren't bound by laws or regulations in any way!

Leaked documents appear to show that negotiators are writing provisions that will set rules that are binding on Congress and our state legislatures tell us what laws and regulations our own country can pass or enforce in areas like:

intellectual property rights like patents and copyrights,

government procurement like Buy American which would be banned,

investment and land use,

service-sector regulation,

food and product safety,

corporate competition,

labor,

even environmental standards.

Leaks show that TPP even limits government regulation of financial services

Man, that would be Republican paradise!

Thanks Obama!
 
2013-11-19 11:23:48 AM  

BullBearMS: lilbjorn: Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.

God forbid anyone but the Democrats should fark us all over.

Cause then we'd have to condemn it instead of defend it.

This treaty also allows foreign corporations to override US law and regulation.


except it's all the US trying to force our more stringent laws and regulations on other countries.
 
2013-11-19 11:33:34 AM  

robbiex0r: BullBearMS: lilbjorn: Anyone who paid any attention at all knew in 2008 that Obama was a Corpo.  They also knew that he was far preferable to the alternative.

God forbid anyone but the Democrats should fark us all over.

Cause then we'd have to condemn it instead of defend it.

This treaty also allows foreign corporations to override US law and regulation.

except it's all the US trying to force our more stringent laws and regulations on other countries.


Nope.

It's more like our corporate masters forcing a wish list of things on all the nations involved.

"Free trade" is a sacred mantra in Washington. If anything is labeled as being "free trade", then everyone in the Washington establishment is required to bow down and support it. Otherwise, they are excommunicated from the list of respectable people and exiled to the land of protectionist Neanderthals.

In reality, the deal has almost nothing to do with trade: actual trade barriers between these countries are already very low. The TPP is an effort to use the holy grail of free trade to impose conditions and override domestic laws in a way that would be almost impossible if the proposed measures had to go through the normal legislative process. The expectation is that by lining up powerful corporate interests, the governments will be able to ram this new "free trade" pact through legislatures on a take-it-or-leave-it basis.

At this point, it's not really possible to discuss the merits of the TPP since the governments are keeping the proposed text a secret from the public. Only the negotiators themselves and a select group of corporate partners have access to the actual document. The top executives at General Electric, Goldman Sachs, and Pfizer probably all have drafts of the relevant sections of the TPP. However, the members of the relevant congressional committees have not yet been told what is being negotiated.

A few items that have been leaked give us some insight as to the direction of this pact. One major focus is will be stronger protection for intellectual property. In the case of recorded music and movies, we might see provisions similar to those that were in the Stop Online Privacy Act (Sopa). This would make internet intermediaries like Google, Facebook and, indeed, anyone with a website into a copyright cop.

Since these measures were hugely unpopular, Sopa could probably never pass as a standalone piece of legislation. But tied into a larger pact and blessed with "free trade" holy water, the entertainment industry may be able to get what it wants.

There are many other provisions in this pact that are likely to be similarly controversial. The rules it creates would override domestic laws on the environment, workplace safety, and investment. Of course, it's not really possible to talk about the details because there are no publicly available drafts.


Now that the text has finally leaked, give people a few days to go through it and see what all it would do.

Keeping you from being able to do what you want with the cell phone you purchase is going to only be the smallest tippy tip of a huge iceberg.
 
2013-11-19 12:02:25 PM  

grumpfuff: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?

Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?


i have no idea how Romney would have been as President, I do think he would have been a more hands on type of guy and not passed the buck so much.
 
2013-11-19 01:10:02 PM  
Where's all the outrage from the left? The left need to put pressure on Obama over TTP.

Where's all the Obama supporters ?

This thread should be 100+ comments but I guess the paid shills didn't get their talking points yet.

BullBear has it failed in. Thank you BullBear
 
2013-11-19 01:15:48 PM  
Wait.. So according to TFA, if I take my Verizon cellphone (after the contract is up in a few months) to a store to unlock it so I can use it on another carrier, I could be sent to prison for 5 years AND be fined half a million dollars?

What the fark?
 
2013-11-19 01:47:28 PM  
So, basically, this does the same thing that every other treaty/trade agreement/convention on intellectual property has done, but covers a lot more subjects and is just generally pretty awful? Well, they usually have been...

Not defending it, but the concept isn't exactly new, even if the scope is breathtaking.
 
2013-11-19 02:11:47 PM  

grumpfuff: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?

Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?


Don't come in here all high and mighty,talking about "Mitt farkin Romney", unless you can deal with the fact that Obama is a lying sack of shiat lying liar, through and through, and that this thread and article are all about the fact that the asshole is, indeed, as crooked and unethical a lying liar as any President that the U.S. has ever had. Oh, and BTW, take a peak upstream about the ACA issues in the fine print., FFS...............................
 
2013-11-19 02:17:35 PM  

lantawa: grumpfuff: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Saiga410: Both sides are bad so vote Obama?

been hearing that song for 5 years now...

"Oh, he's SOOOOO much better than the alternative!"  How could anyone possibly know that?

Because the alternative was Mitt farking Romney?

Don't come in here all high and mighty,talking about "Mitt farkin Romney", unless you can deal with the fact that Obama is a lying sack of shiat lying liar, through and through, and that this thread and article are all about the fact that the asshole is, indeed, as crooked and unethical a lying liar as any President that the U.S. has ever had. Oh, and BTW, take a peak upstream about the ACA issues in the fine print., FFS...............................


Please point out where I said "Obama is an awesome guy who never lies."

Don't worry, I'll wait.
 
2013-11-19 02:49:43 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: Where's all the Obama supporters ?


Because it's only bad when the other guy does it.
 
2013-11-19 03:01:09 PM  

HeartlineTwist
2013-11-19 01:47:28 PM


So, basically, this does the same thing that every other treaty/trade agreement/convention on intellectual property has done, but covers a lot more subjects and is just generally pretty awful? Well, they usually have been...

Not defending it, but the concept isn't exactly new, even if the scope is breathtaking.

Yes, you are defending it. Your claim is "everybody does it".. so vote our guy.

www.upl.co
 
2013-11-19 03:38:06 PM  

OnlyM3: [www.upl.co image 802x357]


Wow, projection is noted and laughed at.
 
2013-11-19 04:44:10 PM  

OnlyM3: HeartlineTwist
2013-11-19 01:47:28 PM


So, basically, this does the same thing that every other treaty/trade agreement/convention on intellectual property has done, but covers a lot more subjects and is just generally pretty awful? Well, they usually have been...

Not defending it, but the concept isn't exactly new, even if the scope is breathtaking.
Yes, you are defending it. Your claim is "everybody does it".. so vote our guy.


No, my point is very literally that this isn't new.

Let's put it this way: treaties/agreements/conventions like this have been used for similar purposes in the past. Let's call this a really bad trick play ("bad" insofar as underhanded, shady, etc). A team (or, if you insisted, my team) is running this play now.

It's still a bad trick play, and nowhere did I suggest otherwise. I was just pointing out that Team Obama wasn't the first team to run it. The only reason I mention it is because I don't expect people to have a background with similar treaties/agreements/conventions that have done the same thing in the past.

Once again, because plain language seems lost on you: THIS. DOES. NOT. MEAN. IT. IS. A. GOOD. IDEA. OR. ACCEPTABLE. REGARDLESS. OF. WHO. IS. DOING. IT.

But it's not new. That is literally my only claim.
 
2013-11-20 03:37:04 PM  

BullBearMS: stevetherobot: So, a draft of a treaty that is still being negotiated seems to suggest that it would make unlocking cell phones illegal?

Well, then.

All they have to do is release the text of the treaty to the people.

Or to Congress.

Or to anyone aside from the Corporations who bought and paid for it.

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) introduced legislation late Wednesday to protest the Obama administration's refusal to share information about controversial trade negotiations with the senator.

The administration's blockade against Wyden, who chairs a subcommittee on international trade, conflicts with its prior statements to the press, and raises concerns that President Barack Obama's administration is selectively icing out critics of the administration's trade strategy.

But while the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative shares draft negotiation documents on the Trans-Pacific deal with the governments of other nations and American corporate executives who serve on advisory boards, it withholds them from the American public and most nonprofit groups -- forcing many public health advocates, for instance, to learn about the deals through illegal leaks or informal channels.

"The majority of Congress is being kept in the dark as to the substance of the TPP negotiations, while representatives of U.S. corporations -- like Halliburton, Chevron, PhRMA, Comcast and the Motion Picture Association of America -- are being consulted and made privy to details of the agreement," said Wyden.

But you keep on herping that derp and defending this bullshiat...

[dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 620x349]



...So vote for Republicans, who also happen to agree with this shiat.  And want to turn the government into a Christian Taliban.  I mean, why vote Democrat when they're wrong about half of the things.  You could be voting Republican, who are wrong about *all* the things!

(or vote third party and have the choice of D or R be made for you)
 
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