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(KHOU Houston)   What's worse than discovering your daughter was born with a rare bone disease? It's so rare, hardly anybody has ever heard of it and doctors mistake her injuries from the disease as child abuse and you get arrested   (khou.com ) divider line
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2013-11-19 08:22:09 AM  
hardly anybody has ever heard of it

Bruce Willis made a movie about it.  Well not about the disease, per se, but it did figure prominently.
 
2013-11-19 08:35:18 AM  
Is it boneitis?
 
2013-11-19 08:37:20 AM  
Rare bone disease causes dad to be falsely charged with child abuse

Yep. Lets just jump to conclusions and assume it has to be the Pedo, child abusing man. Couldn't be the woman. Nope.

/sucks to be a man in Murica
 
2013-11-19 08:37:26 AM  
And another lawsuit for false imprisonment in Texas.
 
2013-11-19 08:38:17 AM  
As long as there's some arresting going on, the pediatrician should be arrested and jailed for criminal malpractice. Let the Texas Medical Association bail him out.
 
2013-11-19 08:40:40 AM  
Of course it's the dad who is arrested.  What a load of shiat that is.
 
2013-11-19 08:44:05 AM  

abhorrent1: Yep. Lets just jump to conclusions and assume it has to be the Pedo, child abusing man. Couldn't be the woman. Nope.

/sucks to be a man in Murica


Or maybe the FATHER took the child to the hospital and the FATHER told the story about what the FATHER was doing when the FATHER heard the pop so the assumption was the FATHER was trying to cover the FATHER's ass.

But you keep crying like a little biatch. I'm sure that's much more fun.
 
2013-11-19 08:46:49 AM  

BetterMetalSnake: Is it boneitis?


My only regret is...that I have boneitis... ACK!
 
2013-11-19 08:48:09 AM  
I remember reading a similar story to this, a few years ago the child had very brittle bones almost any sharp contact would cause them to break.  The state eventually took the child away, the dad lost his job due to the abuse charges filed, wife left him. Guy ended up offing himself even though it came out OOPS, this child has a rare brittle-bone disorder. Turned into a real sad country-song sort of situation.
I mean, I kind of understand the "Zebra vs. Horse" mindset but jeez did it reading that story suck. I can't imagine going through that.
 
2013-11-19 08:49:11 AM  

skozlaw: abhorrent1: Yep. Lets just jump to conclusions and assume it has to be the Pedo, child abusing man. Couldn't be the woman. Nope.

/sucks to be a man in Murica

Or maybe the FATHER took the child to the hospital and the FATHER told the story about what the FATHER was doing when the FATHER heard the pop so the assumption was the FATHER was trying to cover the FATHER's ass.

But you keep crying like a little biatch. I'm sure that's much more fun.


So the "evidence" of multiple injuries that he wasn't aware of wouldn't have put some scrutiny on the mother?  Perhaps him hearing the "pop" was just him uncovering the tip of the iceberg.  No, let's arrest the distraught father who brought his child in for care.  Makes complete sense.
 
2013-11-19 08:50:28 AM  
The father was arrested because he broke her leg (not intentionally) and immediately rushed her to the hospital with a hinky story of how he broke her leg. Not that he discovered it, because remember in the article...it says he heard the pop. Abusive parents often make up bullshiat stories of how the kids got their injuries, especially when the kids can't talk. Once they discovered multiple injuries in various stages of healing OF COURSE they're going to think he did it.

And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.

How about reading the actual facts, and discussing them...rather than taking any instance in which you can whine about how rough men (and typically white men) have it. You realize why you always have to beat that drum...right? It's like the war on Christmas, if you don't keep making lots of noise no one would know about how oppressed the majority is.

/loans you some midol for your sandy sandy vaginas.
 
2013-11-19 08:55:43 AM  
Police: Arrest with no evidence and let the courts deal with possibly finding truth if you can afford bail/lawyer.

Never arrested till I was 42 and arrested and jailed 3 times over a lying ex girlfriend who stole my vehicle and everything I owned. I was 100% innocent. I got my truck back after she was arrested in NY. (Forged my title) she gets out of jail, steals it again. Drives to FL. Police won't help. I fly to FL to get it. She splits my head open with a shoe. Cops arrest me felony strangulaion. Won't let me bail out cause being from NY I am a flight risk. Have to release me on 33rd day due to NO EVIDENCE CAUSE I NEVER HIT OR HURT A WOMAN EVER IN MY LIFE. My friend I met in jail calls her to tell her we are coming with a police escort to get my things this time. She tells cops I called her violating protection order. Another lie. Brevard County Sherrifs promptly throw me back in jail again 33 days. Plus 1 day in NY for her lying saying I threatened her on the phone. I just walked away after losing $70,000 in stuff easy. And cops won't help me.

/She was smoking hot.
// I was pussy whooped.
///Fark the police
 
2013-11-19 08:56:51 AM  

Lady Indica: The father was arrested because he broke her leg (not intentionally) and immediately rushed her to the hospital with a hinky story of how he broke her leg. Not that he discovered it, because remember in the article...it says he heard the pop. Abusive parents often make up bullshiat stories of how the kids got their injuries, especially when the kids can't talk. Once they discovered multiple injuries in various stages of healing OF COURSE they're going to think he did it.

And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.

How about reading the actual facts, and discussing them...rather than taking any instance in which you can whine about how rough men (and typically white men) have it. You realize why you always have to beat that drum...right? It's like the war on Christmas, if you don't keep making lots of noise no one would know about how oppressed the majority is.

/loans you some midol for your sandy sandy vaginas.


Ma'am, you expect the Farkers to actually read and comprehend rather than making rash, unsubstantiated judgements? You are one optimistic lady.
 
2013-11-19 08:56:54 AM  
What's worse than that?

Attempting to read an article written by someone, who is supposed to be educated in such things to begin with, apparently incapable of basic sentence composition.

//also, waiting for the misogynist vs wymyn battle over false finger pointing that's sure to ensue
 
2013-11-19 08:57:49 AM  

AngryDragon: that he wasn't aware of


Which is still one more injury than the mother knew about. Quit making up stupid reasons to be offended.
 
2013-11-19 08:57:50 AM  

Lady Indica: The father was arrested because he broke her leg (not intentionally) and immediately rushed her to the hospital with a hinky story of how he broke her leg. Not that he discovered it, because remember in the article...it says he heard the pop. Abusive parents often make up bullshiat stories of how the kids got their injuries, especially when the kids can't talk. Once they discovered multiple injuries in various stages of healing OF COURSE they're going to think he did it.

And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.

How about reading the actual facts, and discussing them...rather than taking any instance in which you can whine about how rough men (and typically white men) have it. You realize why you always have to beat that drum...right? It's like the war on Christmas, if you don't keep making lots of noise no one would know about how oppressed the majority is.

/loans you some midol for your sandy sandy vaginas.


The actual facts are that a loving father who was completely innocent was arrested for abusing his infant daughter and dragged through hell for a year.  The mother was questioned once and halfway through her first interview the police  accused her husband.  She was never even considered to be a potential suspect.  So why would they think "OF COURSE he did it"?
 
2013-11-19 08:59:44 AM  

AngryDragon: skozlaw: abhorrent1: Yep. Lets just jump to conclusions and assume it has to be the Pedo, child abusing man. Couldn't be the woman. Nope.

/sucks to be a man in Murica

Or maybe the FATHER took the child to the hospital and the FATHER told the story about what the FATHER was doing when the FATHER heard the pop so the assumption was the FATHER was trying to cover the FATHER's ass.

But you keep crying like a little biatch. I'm sure that's much more fun.

So the "evidence" of multiple injuries that he wasn't aware of wouldn't have put some scrutiny on the mother?  Perhaps him hearing the "pop" was just him uncovering the tip of the iceberg.  No, let's arrest the distraught father who brought his child in for care.  Makes complete sense.


Wow, how's that crucifix treating you, buddy? Something tells me you stopped in your self-righteous outrage before you got to the part about a mom being arrested for the same thing.

Don't let that stop you, though. The only thing that matters is that it FEELS right.
 
2013-11-19 09:00:07 AM  
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Lucky he was raised by his mom ...
 
2013-11-19 09:00:14 AM  
EDS sucks. I thankfully don't have the variant this poor little girl has -- when you start getting into the rare diseases, they start grouping together similar diseases -- but know very well the issues of doctors not knowing anything about the disease. Trying to get a diagnosis, and advice on how to not totally wreck my body, involved me having to see my GP, who had never heard of it, getting referred to a rheumatologist, who had never heard of it, and getting a referral to a physical therapist who had never heard of it. The only medical professional I've seen who has heard of it was my eye doctor, because my variant can cause and/or mask various eye problems.

What's worse is a person I know who has both EDS and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrodysplasia_ossificans_progress iva ">fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva</a>. He's found it near impossible to get any sort of advice on the EDS, because they've lumped all of his stuff as being just part of FOP, regardless of the pretty extreme differences in how the diseases act. Rare diseases are their own special kind of "fun".
 
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2013-11-19 09:00:48 AM  
When my youngest brother was 4 or 5 he was running around in the basement, tripped and broke his femur in some crazy spiral break.  My parents rushed him to the hospital where they were questioned for 3-4 hours.
 
2013-11-19 09:02:46 AM  
Not that rare of a disease, estimated to be 1:5000 births worldwide.

I had a similar situation occur (as a consulting physician, not a parent).  I was asked to see a small child admitted to the hospital who had swelling around both eyes and wouldn't open her eyes.  The mother had brought the child (18 months old +/-) to the ED after discovering her in the bathroom playing with a spilled bottle of shampoo.

ED doc takes this story as "child got shampoo in eyes", decides the appearance is completely incompatible with the perceived injuries, and admits the child for a full abuse workup.

I examined the child, put fluorescein / benoxinate drops in her eyes, and viola... she opened her eyes revealing bilateral corneal abrasions.  I explained to the pediatrician and nurses that concentrated detergents (like shampoo) absolutely can and do cause this sort of injury.  Incredibly, the pediatrician (attending) went ahead with a full body xray scan and abuse workup.  I felt absolutely awful for the parents in this case.

I put the baby on eye ointment and saw her back 2 days later.  She was fine.

I know people feel like you can never be too careful or skeptical, but a false accusation can ruin families, lives, etc.
 
2013-11-19 09:06:09 AM  

Gato Blanco: Wow, how's that crucifix treating you, buddy? Something tells me you stopped in your self-righteous outrage before you got to the part about a mom being arrested for the same thing.

Don't let that stop you, though. The only thing that matters is that it FEELS right


A mom, not THIS mom.  How do you know the other mom wasn't a single mom and there were no other possibilities?  It has no bearing on this situation.

My point stands.  There was no way for the police to make the determination that the father was the cause except bias.
 
2013-11-19 09:12:00 AM  

Lady Indica: The father was arrested because he broke her leg (not intentionally) and immediately rushed her to the hospital with a hinky story of how he broke her leg. Not that he discovered it, because remember in the article...it says he heard the pop. Abusive parents often make up bullshiat stories of how the kids got their injuries, especially when the kids can't talk. Once they discovered multiple injuries in various stages of healing OF COURSE they're going to think he did it.

And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.

How about reading the actual facts, and discussing them...rather than taking any instance in which you can whine about how rough men (and typically white men) have it. You realize why you always have to beat that drum...right? It's like the war on Christmas, if you don't keep making lots of noise no one would know about how oppressed the majority is.

/loans you some midol for your sandy sandy vaginas.


You're one of those "stick it to men" types (especially white ones) because women had it worse in the past, aren't you. It doesn't negate the fact that fathers have and will always be screwed in these circumstances. If that single mother of twins wasn't single, I'd bet a hundred dollars the father would have been farked over.

It's the same story for custody battles. The mother has to have serious issues, or just plain give up the kids, before the father gets custody, in most cases, regardless of parental qualifications. And even in those situations, the ex husband still winds up paying alimony, or handing over a chunk of pension, etc... A guy I work with is in that situation now. The mother gave up the kids to him, yet is still after 3 years disputing the divorce to get 50% of his retirement, not to mention leeching off her soon to be ex husbands medical benefits. This state would hand it over to her if he went straight to court to end it.
 
2013-11-19 09:13:45 AM  
And remember kids, the u.s. is not a police state. Now off to jail with you.
 
2013-11-19 09:16:34 AM  

abhorrent1: Rare bone disease causes dad to be falsely charged with child abuse

Yep. Lets just jump to conclusions and assume it has to be the Pedo, child abusing man. Couldn't be the woman. Nope.

/sucks to be a man in Murica


Somewhat, but the pay is better, we can write our name in the snow, and we get all the sammiches we can eat.
 
2013-11-19 09:24:37 AM  

AngryDragon: My point stands


No, you have no point. You have no case files, you have no interview tapes and you have no court dockets. You have a couple of summarizing paragraphs you skimmed - apparently poorly - over your morning coffee before going off on a completely unsupportable tangent.

What's really astonishing about you and your compadres, though, is the utter and complete lack of self-awareness on display. It never even occurs to you that your constant undirected screeching about how men are so downtrodden is doing more harm to your own "cause" than anything.

You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf.
 
2013-11-19 09:25:51 AM  
alywa: "I know people feel like you can never be too careful or skeptical, but a false accusation can ruin families, lives, etc."

Including the life of the child.
 
2013-11-19 09:32:52 AM  

skozlaw: You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf


Like this one?
 
2013-11-19 09:35:45 AM  

skozlaw: AngryDragon: My point stands

No, you have no point. You have no case files, you have no interview tapes and you have no court dockets. You have a couple of summarizing paragraphs you skimmed - apparently poorly - over your morning coffee before going off on a completely unsupportable tangent.

What's really astonishing about you and your compadres, though, is the utter and complete lack of self-awareness on display. It never even occurs to you that your constant undirected screeching about how men are so downtrodden is doing more harm to your own "cause" than anything.

You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf.


The difference is, people with a personal agenda v. people who actually care about what is right. People with their own personal agendas and issues are often the ones who are the YOU'RE NOT HELPING group. Every group has them. But they don't really care about the issue, it's more about whatever they believe has happened to them, how feel they've been wrong and oppressed. And since no one is really on board with their personal crap, it has to be because it's actually because it's just like this! See!

Get help, that bitterness isn't good. Seeing yourself as a victim isn't healthy. Seriously.
 
2013-11-19 09:46:19 AM  

Lady Indica: The father was arrested because he broke her leg (not intentionally) and immediately rushed her to the hospital with a hinky story of how he broke her leg. Not that he discovered it, because remember in the article...it says he heard the pop. Abusive parents often make up bullshiat stories of how the kids got their injuries, especially when the kids can't talk. Once they discovered multiple injuries in various stages of healing OF COURSE they're going to think he did it.

And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.

How about reading the actual facts, and discussing them...rather than taking any instance in which you can whine about how rough men (and typically white men) have it. You realize why you always have to beat that drum...right? It's like the war on Christmas, if you don't keep making lots of noise no one would know about how oppressed the majority is.

/loans you some midol for your sandy sandy vaginas.



Way to introduce extraneous inflammatory material that has nothing whatsoever to do with TFA.  Congrats.

/ also, I've got no real problem with suspicion falling on the parents; child abuse is probably orders of magnitude more common than this disease, but once the truth has been uncovered, there should be a mechanism for "unwinding" all the adverse records that were created during the investigation and publicly exonerating the parties involved -- in such a way that a Google search or background check at a job interview down the road will not end poorly
 
2013-11-19 09:56:05 AM  

alywa: Not that rare of a disease, estimated to be 1:5000 births worldwide.

I had a similar situation occur (as a consulting physician, not a parent).  I was asked to see a small child admitted to the hospital who had swelling around both eyes and wouldn't open her eyes.  The mother had brought the child (18 months old +/-) to the ED after discovering her in the bathroom playing with a spilled bottle of shampoo.

ED doc takes this story as "child got shampoo in eyes", decides the appearance is completely incompatible with the perceived injuries, and admits the child for a full abuse workup.

I examined the child, put fluorescein / benoxinate drops in her eyes, and viola... she opened her eyes revealing bilateral corneal abrasions.  I explained to the pediatrician and nurses that concentrated detergents (like shampoo) absolutely can and do cause this sort of injury.  Incredibly, the pediatrician (attending) went ahead with a full body xray scan and abuse workup.  I felt absolutely awful for the parents in this case.

I put the baby on eye ointment and saw her back 2 days later.  She was fine.

I know people feel like you can never be too careful or skeptical, but a false accusation can ruin families, lives, etc.



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What, an alywa post without a glittery eagle?!

You're probably more aware of Ehlers-Danlos than most persons because I presume you're an ophthalmologist.

Cardiologists and orthopaedic surgeons should also be somewhat familiar with it, because of the cardiovascular and musculoskeletal manifestations.

I did my residency in Detroit, where we would be consulted by the pediatrics service to assess children admitted for suspected child abuse.  We had an annual lecture on child abuse, where it was drummed in our heads that the mortality rate for child abuse admissions was 5-6%, child abuse accounted for something like 1500 deaths a year, and that it was better to admit a child and let social services do their thing rather than discharge the kid from the ER and potentially allow further harm to occur.

I don't know how old the child in the article was when she sustained her fracture, but a femur fracture in a non-ambulatory child and multiple fractures at different stages of healing are huge red flags for child abuse.  On the other hand, we were also taught to consider the possibility of undiagnosed Ehlers-Danlos, Marfan's, or Osteogenesis Imperfecta in cases like this, so as to avoid clusterfarks like this situation.
 
2013-11-19 10:04:14 AM  
Sexual profiling.
 
2013-11-19 10:04:25 AM  

jshine: once the truth has been uncovered, there should be a mechanism for "unwinding" all the adverse records that were created during the investigation and publicly exonerating the parties involved -- in such a way that a Google search or background check at a job interview down the road will not end poorly


Why isn't it like that? It absolutely should be, I agree with you. And I don't think people should have to disclose it either, because there's too many people who might think 'well maybe there was something to it if they were arrested'. It could only cause negative bias.
 
2013-11-19 10:07:01 AM  

Parthenogenetic: I did my residency in Detroit, where we would be consulted by the pediatrics service to assess children admitted for suspected child abuse.


It seemed to me FTA that it took an awfully long time to resolve this issue. I could see the father getting arrested falsely, but to take so long to diagnose and clear him...based on your experience is that normal? Does it take the system way too long to resolve cases? Or is this case just a clusterfark of unusual proportions? And btw, found your post fascinating, but what an awful job that must have been to have.
 
2013-11-19 10:12:25 AM  

skozlaw: What's really astonishing about you and your compadres, though, is the utter and complete lack of self-awareness on display. It never even occurs to you that your constant undirected screeching about how men women are so downtrodden is doing more harm to your own "cause" than anything.

You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy woman really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf.


See the problem with your statement? It's somehow magically okay when women do exactly what you describe, yet when men do the same thing they are "Hurting their own cause" ? Try being gender blind for a moment, just ask yourself one small question: Should ANYONE receive special treatment or bias in any situation? The answer should always be a definitive "No". It is for this reason that I am not biased towards either race or gender. I base my opinions on facts and proven information when dealing with a person, and avoid bringing any bias to the table when I meet someone. If you, by virtue of your behavior and/or conversation , damage your profile (when it comes to my opinion about you) then that is purely your fault. I have never understood why such a simple concept is so hard for people to understand and implement.

/I guess I am unusual in that respect.
 
2013-11-19 10:15:05 AM  

Parthenogenetic: I did my residency in Detroit, where we would be consulted by the pediatrics service to assess children admitted for suspected child abuse.  We had an annual lecture on child abuse, where it was drummed in our heads that the mortality rate for child abuse admissions was 5-6%, child abuse accounted for something like 1500 deaths a year, and that it was better to admit a child and let social services do their thing rather than discharge the kid from the ER and potentially allow further harm to occur.

I don't know how old the child in the article was when she sustained her fracture, but a femur fracture in a non-ambulatory child and multiple fractures at different stages of healing are huge red flags for child abuse.  On the other hand, we were also taught to consider the possibility of undiagnosed Ehlers-Danlos, Marfan's, or Osteogenesis Imperfecta in cases like this, so as to avoid clusterfarks like this situation.


I hear you.  I was disappointed in the case I described because the injury was clearly caused just how mom said it was, and anything else would have been exceedingly unlikely given the corneal abrasions OU.  To proceed with a full abuse workup seemed excessive and irrational.  More of a CYA situation for the attending than anything else.  As for the case in TFA, you hit it on the head.  Admission and work-up is entirely appropriate, but the zebras must be considered before ruining someone's life.

As far as sparkly .gifs... sorry.  I was asked to knock that shiat off quite a while ago.  Mods be hatin'.
 
2013-11-19 10:19:26 AM  

washington-babylon: See the problem with your statement? It's somehow magically okay when women do exactly what you describe, yet when men do the same thing they are "Hurting their own cause" ?


No. No one is saying that. It's true regardless of group. That's why there's this:

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2013-11-19 10:45:17 AM  

Lady Indica: Parthenogenetic: I did my residency in Detroit, where we would be consulted by the pediatrics service to assess children admitted for suspected child abuse.

It seemed to me FTA that it took an awfully long time to resolve this issue. I could see the father getting arrested falsely, but to take so long to diagnose and clear him...based on your experience is that normal? Does it take the system way too long to resolve cases? Or is this case just a clusterfark of unusual proportions? And btw, found your post fascinating, but what an awful job that must have been to have.


The diagnosis of Ehlers-Danlos is mostly made on clinical grounds.  There are some genetic tests, but IIRC they are not very sensitive.  There might be some difficulty in getting a doc involved that is willing to take ownership of the case and assume the responsibility of adjudicating whether this is a rare connective tissue disorder rather than the more common scenario of child abuse. My guess is that the diagnosis took a while because the pediatrician was unwilling to attest to a court that the kid had EDS without a consensus from various consultants - rheumatologists, cardiologists, ophthlamologists, and orthopaedists - and getting all of those appointments can take a while.  Sending blood and skin biopsy samples to a specialty lab for testing can also take a while (maybe a couple weeks to get the results back).  Even so, I don't see that the workup should have taken 14 months.  I suspect the process was drawn out by waiting for court dates.

I was involved in a case in which a pediatric resident brought his kid in for a fracture and had the case treated as a "3200".  (Form 3200 is the Michigan Department of Human Services Report of Actual or Suspected Child Abuse or Neglect document).  It was a fairly typical "toddler's fracture", which I stated on the consult, and the guy's own colleagues reported him anyway.  It took about a week for social services to check out the home situation and allow the parents to take the kid home, and they still had to have a couple follow-up visits with a social worker.  This sounds horrible, but I suspect the fact that the dad was a foreign medical grad (Indian) had something to do with how the ER handled the case. In the ER's defense, he *was* raising a little kid in the shiatty, cockroach-infested resident's dormitory next to the hospital in downtown Detroit, so that probably actually was a fairly dangerous situation.
 
2013-11-19 11:59:49 AM  

Lady Indica: And of course the ones whining about 'OF COURSE ITS THE MAN' missed the woman who had her twins with the same condition taken away from her.


Kids taken away != kids taken away + ass tossed in prison.
 
2013-11-19 12:04:38 PM  

skozlaw: You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf.


Like you are doing right now.
 
2013-11-19 12:10:38 PM  
You turn to Obama.

He has all the answers.
 
2013-11-19 07:13:55 PM  
Social Welfare, dey hongry.
 
2013-11-19 10:57:43 PM  

Parthenogenetic: In the ER's defense, he *was* raising a little kid in the shiatty, cockroach-infested resident's dormitory next to the hospital in downtown Detroit, so that probably actually was a fairly dangerous situation.


Yeah, but you can't confiscate every third kid in the city - or much of anywhere. Growing up in shiatty conditions is still pretty normal outside suburbia.
 
2013-11-20 12:24:26 AM  

washington-babylon: skozlaw: What's really astonishing about you and your compadres, though, is the utter and complete lack of self-awareness on display. It never even occurs to you that your constant undirected screeching about how men women are so downtrodden is doing more harm to your own "cause" than anything.

You know what's going to happen when a story DOES crop up where a guy woman really does get screwed over by gender bias? Everybody is going to look at you, roll their eyes and just assume that, as usual, you're just crying wolf.

See the problem with your statement? It's somehow magically okay when women do exactly what you describe, yet when men do the same thing they are "Hurting their own cause" ? Try being gender blind for a moment, just ask yourself one small question: Should ANYONE receive special treatment or bias in any situation? The answer should always be a definitive "No". It is for this reason that I am not biased towards either race or gender. I base my opinions on facts and proven information when dealing with a person, and avoid bringing any bias to the table when I meet someone. If you, by virtue of your behavior and/or conversation , damage your profile (when it comes to my opinion about you) then that is purely your fault. I have never understood why such a simple concept is so hard for people to understand and implement.

/I guess I am unusual in that respect.


Helluva strawman you just knocked down. This is why most people think most MRAs and feminists are unbalanced and delusional: Because the loudest ones are. Stop whoring for attention.

If we took every privileged group who thought they were being unfairly oppressed by everyone else -- as a cover for their hate and envy toward others -- and stuck them on a nice little island, maybe the rest of us could live in peace.

/I feel like I shouldn't have to say this, but yes, this goes as much for judges and social workers who automatically blame the man as those who blame the woman.
 
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